Real Housewives of New Jersey Finale – Finally / Producers say Teresa not Involved / Spoof Photos

RHONJ “Finale Part II, Strip Down Memory Lane”

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“The Season of No Answers” by BB

The following is a description of the final episode of Season 4 of the Real Housewives of New Jersey without trying to figure out who set up whom, who knew what when, or how it was manipulated by Bravo editing (couldn’t do it if I tried); only what was shown on the television screen.  The intelligent and observant readers of this great blog site can sort through it all and come to their own conclusions.

Ok.  We’re at the Posche Fashion show and Angelo has just walked up to the ladies’ table and said hi to Melissa and asked her if she remembered him.  I’d like to say here that Angelo didn’t necessarily have to be mic’d at this time.  It actually kind of sounded liked he was talking loudly so maybe a boom mic could pick it up.  Just my observation.

Melissa says she knows she knows him but she doesn’t remember where she knows him from.  Teresa’s heart is beating 500 now and Kathy says something about coffee making your heart do that.  The fashion show commences and all the ladies are talking about the fashions, what they like and what they don’t.  Teresa is looking uncomfortable and Jac notices it.  The fashion show ends and Kim tells everyone not to go anywhere because they are going to dance.

Melissa and Teresa go to the bathroom and Teresa asks Melissa who the bald guy was who came up to the table.  To me this is Teresa’s way of letting Melissa explain who he is and how she knows him.  Melissa can’t remember where she knows him from.  Teresa tells her he was at the salon earlier and he said something about her dancing for him at a gentlemen’s club.  Teresa tells Melissa she knows it’s not true.  Melissa says she bartended for him for about a week because her cousin owned the place.  Melissa says it was a bikini bar, not a strip club and the tips were good.  She tells Teresa her brother knows about it.  Teresa thinks Melissa should go up and tell Angelo to stop spreading rumors about her.

At the same time (or Bravo wants us to think it’s at the same time) Angelo is telling someone Melissa used to be a dancer, the whole thing was set up by Teresa and Kim D. and he was told to walk up to Melissa at the table.  Coincidentally, Jac gets a text message from a mutual friend of hers and Teresa’s that something’s about to go down.  Back in the bathroom Melissa swears to Teresa she never danced.  Teresa tells her she believes her.  Melissa tells Teresa she’s going to call Joey and I can see the lightbulb go off in Teresa’s head that she’s being set up by the way Melissa is telling her she shouldn’t have even entertained the notion that she was a dancer.  Melissa seems really, really calm and not upset at all.  Just my observation.

Melissa tells Joey what’s happening and that she doesn’t want to approach Angelo without her husband.  Yet when Joey says he’s coming over, she tells him not to.  Yeah, right.  Teresa is trying to find Angelo to tell him off and Kim D. tells Teresa he felt uncomfortable and left.  Teresa tells Kim D. Melissa is calling Joey.  Teresa then leaves Kim D. because she doesn’t want to be associated with anything Kim D. might have done.

Teresa goes back to the table and tells Kathy what is happening (not what Angelo said about Melissa, though).  Kim D. is sitting at another table laughing with other people.  Caroline and Lauren and Jacqueline are all texting with each other. Lauren asks Kathy if she has a bad feeling. In her interview, Kathy says she’s the only one who doesn’t know what’s going on and doesn’t care if it stays that way.

Melissa comes back to the table and says everything is fine.  Kim D. comes and sits beside Teresa and apologizes for whatever Angelo said and that she doesn’t even know him.  The others find out he works at the salon where Teresa was earlier that day.  Melissa tells Kim D. to shut up and take a walk.  Melissa doesn’t believe that Kim D. didn’t have anything to do with it and Teresa didn’t know about it.

Joe’s brother Pete comes and gets Teresa to go have a drink with some people (I can’t tell if Kim D. is in this group, but I think she is).  Caroline shows Melissa a text and exclaims that her head is going to explode.  I wish it would have, then I wouldn’t have to look at her or listen to her ever again.

Kathy and Melissa go outside and Melissa tells Kathy about the conversation in the bathroom.  Kathy makes all of these ugly faces, I mean as ugly as Caroline makes her ugly faces.  By the way, I hate Kathy’s dress, too and Melissa is dressed like a 14 year old trying to look like an 18 year-old at a school dance.  Teresa wants to leave, but some women come and drag her back in for a drink.  Teresa should have just left.  Kathy and Caroline are also having a separate conversation when Joey and Richie show up.  Melissa is acting all like she didn’t want Joey to come.  Of course she did.  Caroline walks up and kisses Joey like they are the best of friends.  Now they all decide Teresa set it up.  Melissa is busy trying to get her top from falling off and showing her bubbies, but she’s worried about what people might think of her with all those rumors going around.

Joey asks the bouncer to give Angelo a call.  Theresa tries to explain to Joey what happened and then Pete walks up.  Melissa tells Teresa she was told Teresa purposely set her up.  Teresa wants to know who told her that and Melissa won’t tell her and says she won’t reveal her sources.  Now why wouldn’t she tell Teresa who she heard it from?  Teresa says if she can’t back it up, don’t say it.  Teresa goes back inside with Pete.  Pete seems happy about what’s happening, but does Teresa seem happy about it?  She’s smiling.  Just an observation.  Jac gets her two cents in by telling them she heard the whole thing and it’s a set up.  Caroline has no words, but she keeps on talking.  Kim D. comes out and asks what the problem is.  Joey tells Kim D. to go sniff a line and for her to take a walk.  Kim D. tells him she plays with the big boys and to not mess with her. Joey tells Kim D. to get outta there and Kim D. says it’s her fashion show and he’s the one who can leave.

Jacqueline supposedly has proof that Teresa knew about this set up two week prior.  Lauren tells Caroline that Teresa has told her that Melissa was a stripper before.  Caroline is also saying Teresa told her Melissa was a stripper.  What kind of friends are Lauren and Caroline that they didn’t tell Melissa what Teresa was saying about her?  I’m not buying the bridge they’re selling.  Jacqueline tells Joey and Melissa that Teresa was standing right in front of Angelo when he told a woman he was going to embarrass Melissa.  Jacqueline tells Joey she will send them the text messages but she doesn’t know if it’s true or not.

Teresa comes out and asks Jacqueline if she told Melissa that Teresa sold her out.  Teresa asks Jacqueline if she’s trying to help her or if she’s trying to cause problems.  Caroline is standing by shaking her head. Teresa wants to know if Jacqueline is trying to set her up.  The all-knowing sage Caroline describes this as Jacqueline’s ah ha moment about Teresa (you see, Caroline knows what Jacqueline is thinking at all times).  Jacqueline is all full of righteous indignation.  Joey and Melissa’s car pulls up to Teresa and Joey starts in on Teresa.  Joey tells Teresa he threw out a lawyer for her at his Christmas party and wants to know why she didn’t throw Angelo out on his ass.  Well I guess it’s because this isn’t Teresa’s party for her to throw him out and he had already left when she went looking for him, and lastly, she probably couldn’t have physically thrown him out even if she wanted to.

After everyone leaves Teresa goes back into the building. Oops, she lets spill that Chris Laurita told her he met Jacqueline when she was a dancer.  Then when others start talking about Melissa’s past, Teresa walks away and tells them she doesn’t want to hear it.

12 hours later, they are at the reunion and Andy announces Jacqueline is not there.  Caroline explains that something happened the night before and Jacqueline was too upset to come to the reunion.  Caroline has not talked to Teresa since the reunion, Lauren has lost weight from her lap band surgery and Caface is a success, and Albie and Lindsay are no longer together.  Kathy’s desserts will be hitting the shelves this year, Victoria decided to go to school in NJ, and Kathy and Teresa have been communicating recently through texting.  One of Melissa’s songs went number 4 on i-tunes, her and Joey’s house is on the market for $3.8 mil so they can move away from Teresa and she has not spoken to Teresa since the reunion.

Teresa’s second cook book is a best seller and she has apologized to everyone except Kathy in a magazine.  She has also not spoken to her brother since the Posche fashion show.  Also, Joe Guidice is still awaiting sentencing on the fake driver’s license charge.  She shares that her brother texted to her that she is dead to him and that she would cry about it, but she hates him.  Jacqueline is focusing on her two sons, her relationship with Ashlee has never been better, and she hasn’t spoken to Teresa since the fashion show (but she’s been obsessing about her on her blogs and twitter).

So, I still have lots of questions, but not many answers.  I would list all of my questions that need answers, but I need to go to bed sometime before dawn.

Season 4 of The Real Housewives of New Jersey premiered on April 22, 2012.  That’s 5 whole months; way too long in my opinion.  Memories . . . Like the corners of my mind.  Misty water-colored memories . . . I found these memorable quotes from RHONJ on the Bravo site and added some of my own.  Which one is your favorite?  Do you have any more to add to the list?

Melissa on the dangers of the kids swimming in their green pool – “Honey, they’ll get inpentego. They’re not going in that.”

JoeGo about Teresa’s cookbook comments – “It’s not enough to rehatch any problems we have.”

Melissa on her sisters consulting a medium – “I don’t talk to medians. I don’t talk to psychics. I just don’t do it. But when they told me that this median channeled my father, my whole body just got the chills, because I felt like that is something he would say.”

Teresa on the approaching nor’easter – “We’re supposed to get a Norwegian!”

Teresa on her confrontation with Monica Chacon – “I needed to silence the lamb.”

Teresa on the bar in the Catskills – “It was like Fifth Avenue enraided the Catskills.”

Teresa on her relationship with Melissa – “That’s the way the ball drops.”

Melissa on her meeting with Teresa – “This might be the final draw.”

Teresa on her meeting with Melissa – “I’m calm and cool as a whistle.”

Joseph Wakile on possibly drinking in high school – “I know I’m not gonna be Mr. Goody Two Shoe.”

Melissa’s version of ‘Amazing Grace’ – “Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wench like me!”

Teresa on her cooking – “I remember when I got married I would buy cookbooks and there would be a million ingrientzes that we never use as Italians.”

Joe Giudice on Joe Gorga – “I walk up the stairs and this little fidget is coming after me.”

Melissa on her husband – “If anything, he has a work ethnic that his… ethic, ethic not ethnic.”

JoeGo on his wife – “I love the worth ethic in her.”

Teresa about Jacqueline – “She hurted me for no reason.”

Teresa about therapy – “My brother texted me. After what happened at Kathy’s he said we should really go to a physical therapist.”

Melissa on her singing career:  “I’m happy at where I’m at.”

My daughter brought me a bottle of Bitch Bubbly and it’s in the fridge.  I think I’ll go un-cork it and celebrate the end of Season 4.  It’s about time.

And with that, I’ll leave you with the words of Lyndon B. Johnson, “I may not know much, but I know the difference between chicken shit and chicken salad.”

(Thank you BB.  This was a hard season to blog, and you’ve done a wonderful job for us – NMD)

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Producers Say Teresa Not Involved in Setup by NMD

The producers of the Real Housewives of New Jersey tweeted during the finale last night.  This twitter account was verified by Lauren Manzo.  What did they have to say?  That as far as they knew, Teresa wasn’t involved in setting up Melissa – and that Melissa was definitely not a stripper.  They also confirmed that Jacqueline was not tweeting the producer who has left the show during the fashion show. The tweets are below:

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Boston’s Photos

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Where Does New Jersey Go From Here? by NoMoreDrama

On WWHL last night, Mark Consuelos bet Andy Cohen $50 that he couldn’t get the New Jersey ladies back to the Posche Fashion show next year. According to a New Jersey Newspaper, Andy is very likely to lose that bet. The fashion show is October 2nd, and the ladies are still in contract negotiations. Without cameras rolling, it’s pretty unlikely they’ll show up. Heck – even with cameras rolling the ladies and viewers have probably had enough of that particular fashion show.  Here’s what the article had to say.

“Oct. 2 is a week from Tuesday, and there’s no way that Bravo’s going to be able to film it, because one thing I do know is they don’t film on speculation. They’re not gonna send camera crews out if the girls don’t have a [signed] contract,” a source close to the production said Thursday. “They didn’t even start negotiating yet. There’s no way any of them will have contracts signed and that they will be in production [by then]. … So I think it will be a pretty anemic event this year.”

The funny thing is – the event is at the Brownstone this year.

So any rumors of everyone returning, or so and so being replaced, etc, seem premature at this time.  At least according to this source.

Read More Here

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Jacqueline Laurita’s Tweets During the Show

See if you can figure out when she said them…

Why is T bringing it up more instead of trying to squash it? Why didn’t she try to call Melissa earlier 2 warn her about the scene earlier?

Heart beating out of guilt

She could have called M after the earlier scene at the salon. Why didn’t she? Why didn’t she shut him down when she saw him?

This is when I started texting Melissa. I didn’t realize it had already gone down.

Some of those texts were me flirting with Chris too. LOL

T’s friend who later told me that T knew about this 2 weeks prior

CLICK! I recognized the “stripper set up” as soon as Melissa said that…T wanted me to do that earlier when Melissa first joined the show.

If T was going to “handle it” why didn’t she “Handle it” earlier in the day or when she 1st saw him at the Fashion show?

Good Job??? Why is he congratulating her?

People seem 2b angry with Kim D too. Why isn’t T? That’s her buddy. Wouldn’t she b upset with her right now instead of joining her for a drink?

Why wouldn’t T try to leave with her brother like they left with T in Napa? Why wasn’t T upset that someone tried to expose her?

WHAT??? Projecting!!!!

Look how LOW T will go to blame shift! T is disgusting! She knows the truth! http://www.jacquelinelaurita.com/How%20I%20Met%20Chris.pdf

This morning…

I’m SO happy that the majority of you get it now! I’m happy the season is over! Now let’s get they the crazy reunion & put it behind us

There were NO producers that were fired from our show.Y r people saying that? 1 moved 2 CA 2work on another project AFTER season ended.

I also NEVER texted a producer during that episode! Some people are REALLY reaching. It’s a friend that doesn’t want 2b exposed.

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Lynn’s family would like to remind us about the college fund for Lynn’s son

Lynn’s Son’s College Fund at Barrington Bank Account # 530037912 ABA # 071925651 Robert Smith. Please give from your hearts My sister gave from hers !! Barrington Bank is located at 201 S. Hough Street Barrington Illinois 60010 God Bless you all and enjoy watching the fireworks tonite ! Love Cathy

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Happy Birthday Shadowsnomore

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NMD is the short cut for NoMoreDrama. In real life I'm a housewife who is heading off to an adventure of a lifetime - 7 months in Europe exploring cities, volcanoes, and glaciers. I also administer a blog for Reality TV called Lynn's Place. Lynn's Place is named after Lynn Hudson, a blogger who passed away at the age of 49, who made a tremendous impact on the world of Reality TV blogging. You can reach me through this email: nomoredrama8@gmail.com.
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555 Responses to Real Housewives of New Jersey Finale – Finally / Producers say Teresa not Involved / Spoof Photos

  1. Donna says:

    Good Morning

  2. BB says:

    Happy Birthday shadowsnomore! Have a great day.

  3. Rebecca says:

    It’s funny that people who don’t know or don’t like Teresa (Danielle Staub and Jay Mohr) and all these producers who we assume don’t like Teresa much either, come right out and expose Melissa for trying to damage Teresa.

    The Evil Empire uses gossip, heresay and conjecture to claim Teresa’s crimes. Not one of them has shown a single item of proof. All we hear is “Teresa never talked about Melissa – I never knew about her family” to “Teresa talked about Melissa being a stripper all the time” and the infamous “Teresa and I were never friends” to “I heard Teresa bash Melissa to her mother (whom she only speaks to in Italian AND Caroliar doesn’t speak any Italian) in a car ride we took together.

    She should sure them all for slander and libel. I can’t watch these stupid people anymore.

    Oh and the PFS is at the Brownstone this year? Sick irony, or very telling? Anyone?

    • VV says:

      I guess Bitter Clown didn’t get Joey’s memo not to affiliate herself with Kim D and her boutique.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      I’m probably repeating things others have already said since I’ve been gone so long, and I have not had a chance to catch up on all the LynnFam blogs, but I definitely think there was a set-up. The big question is: WHO set up WHOM?

      I read MONTHS ago that ALL of the housewives were supposed to appear at the salon to which Penny and Teresa went to get their hair and makeup done before the show. Teresa DOES usually get her makeup at home. Supposedly, because BRAVO directed them all to appear at this salon, Teresa followed her orders and went.

      Miraculously, Teresa is/was the ONLY cast member to appear at the salon with Kim D.

      Where were the others? Did they just decide to ignore BRAVO’s orders?

      Did BRAVO later call everybody BUT Teresa to them to tell them there had been a change of plans and they no longer had to come to the salon?

      Or did certain cast members (e.g., Jac for SURE) get wind that a set-up was to take place at this particular salon and refuse to go? Was the original plan to have Angelo embarrass Melissa on camera at the SALON?

      So much of it does not make ANY sense! I also think it is bunch of B.S.

      SOMEBODY got set up, alright, but I’m not exactly sure it was MELISSA. Speaking of Melissa, I read part of her US Magazine online interview, and she claimed that she has not even wanted to be in the SAME ROOM with Teresa since the Posche Fashion Show because she is so disgusted and done with her. Well, if this IS the case, why was Melissa upset when Teresa refused to share the stage with Kathy and her when they went on “The View” this year (ANOTHER one of Melissa’s contradictions/lies. Don’t get me wrong. They ALL lie and contradict themselves. I just hate the way they all try to say Teresa is the ONLY one that does it). Shouldn’t she have been ecstatic that she was not going to have to bear sharing a stage with Teresa?

      ALSO, I think the reason BRAVO is NOW claiming that NO producers were fired (which I think is a big old LIE) is because they did not anticipate old and new blogs popping up telling the TRUTH about exactly what was going on behind the scenes.

      On Reality Tea, EARLY during Season 3, someone going by the handle, “The Insider” basically said everything that was going to happen during Season 3 and Season 4, and they went into great detail (It ALL later turned out to be true). They also talked about how there was producer bias against Teresa because she did not have the time to play buddy-buddy with the producers because she was too busy trying to get her book out, take care of her 4 kids, handle her legal matters, be with her Mom & Dad, and focus on her bankruptcy case and Joe’s driver’s license case.” The other cast members, however, had developed personal relationships and were constantly hanging out and partying with the production crew.

      Then, a separate blog (from Reality Tea, where “The Insider” posted), SH, wrote a detailed article about that and used the tweets between the production crew and the Manzo’s, Laurita’s and Wakile’s to illustrate these unprofessional/conflict-of-interest relationships. After this article, the entire production crew then protected their tweets from the public.

      I am wondering if this “Insider” is/was somehow affiliated with or providing real, behind-the-scenes information to other blogs — which just so happened to to thwart BRAVO’s plan. BRAVO may deny it, but I think they have people that monitor ALL of the blogs and ALL of the blog comments, and they realized that there was a large segment of their viewers that were doing MORE than JUST watching the show and mindlessly and simply believing what was fed to them on their t.v. screens.

      I think THIS is the reason BRAVO decided to say NO member of the RHONJ Season 3 & 4 crew was fired.

      I have NO idea why they all of a sudden decided to say that Teresa had NOTHING to do with the SET-UP. Because they realize they need to appease those viewers who were tired of their manipulative b*llsh*t, perhaps?

      Because they have thrown their hands up and realized that Teresa — despite having a whole ARMY of people working against her — still has a very large fan base, which they do NOT want to lose?

      Because they realize that the Manzo’s CANNOT even sell ICE to Eskimos?

      Because they realize that Melissa’s singing career is a JOKE and is probably COSTING them money as opposed to bringing any money IN?

      Because they realize that Kathy has the charisma of Al Gore (Sorry, Al. I voted for you, but, when it came to charisma and you and ol’ Bill Clinton….My God! There was no competition) and probably would not be bringing in a whole lot of sales money?

      And because they realize that Jac is so totally unstable and such a loose cannon that, not only will she probably FAIL to bring in any REAL money to the network, but she could also turn out to be a liability in some way?

      So, maybe, after seeing how the season has turned out, BRAVO realized they needed to do the common-sense thing and finally stand behind Teresa because she is their MAIN breadwinner?

      Who knows? All I know is that so many things about this season stink to high heaven and seem shady, shady, shady!

      • LaineyLainey says:

        She’s baaaaaaaaaaaack! so happy to see you’re getting better!!!

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          XOXO. Slowly but surely. I tend to feel better in the mornings and worse as the day goes on. The nights can be unpleasant. So, I’ll probably type furiously for a while and then “disappear” so I can rest up and watch “Basketball Wives” and do my blog for that.

          It’s only been a week since I went to the E.R., so I’m far from healed. I still have the coughing and shortness of breath and feeling like I am being stabbed in my chest and beaten all over my upper back with a baseball bat, at times, when I try to take a deep breath. I also tend to tire VERY easily (probably because I’m not able to get many deep, full breaths in.).

          I never realized how much I took simply being able to BREATHE for granted. I will NEVER do that again!

          • Powell says:

            Detox I am so happy you’re on the road to recovery. I hope mama Detox is doing better too. :-)

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              Thanks, Powell! Mama Detox had a doctor’s appointment this morning. She can drive herself now. She has to get off 2 of her rheumatoid arthritis medications because they are causing infection and preventing the healing of her incision/surgery area. She’s now knocked out in her room after having taken a pain pill. It is like a hospital in this house right now. She still needs help with things, but she is able to do a bit more each day.

              Thanks for asking about her. :-)

        • Powell says:

          Hahahahaha! YES! :-)

      • Cartwheels says:

        Bravo, Bravo, Bravo!!!

      • trudie says:

        Lord, how I have missed you! Hope you are feeling better.

      • RealHousewifeVA says:

        Welcome back!! You’ve been missed! Melissa can’t keep her lies straight.

        She didn’t want to be in the same room as Teresa, but went to Gia’s birthday party and threw a fit when Teresa wouldn’t interview with her on The View.
        She was a teacher, she wasn’t a teacher.
        She only worked at Lookers for a week? But then provides pay stubs that show she worked there almost a year.
        She hates that Teresa doesn’t rag mag covers, but then she goes and does one all about Teresa.
        She can’t believe Teresa would set her up, but admits she contacted Danielle because of her hate for Teresa, hoping to set Teresa up.
        Joe was next door during the Posche Fashion show, then he was at Albie’s apartment, then Joe tweets he was home watching the kids.
        She babysat Teresa’s kids during Fabellini launch, but no, wait, she wasn’t talking to her at that time because it was after the Posche Fashion Show.

        We are all being dubed by this crazy group of women. They are the most desperate, in my opinion, of all the HW’s franchies, for 15 minutes of fame. The OC ladies are a close second.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Hi, RHVA (*Waving*)!

          I know. It’s maddening! RHONJ is a cast filled with LIARS and FINGER-POINTERS.

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        XOXOX

      • plainviewsue says:

        So glad u are doing better my friend!!

      • JustDee says:

        Good to see you up and around Detox!!!

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Thanks, JustDee. I’m not quite fully up and around, but I’m hoping and praying to be soon (Add me to your prayer list for I fear that my prayers sometimes get NO higher than my HEAD. ;-) ).

          • JustDee says:

            “On The Computer” is UP compared to how you have been :D
            Of course you’re in my prayers!
            ((((((((((Detox)))))))))))

      • VV says:

        DETOXXXXXX!!!!!!!! Welcome back!!!!!

    • Powell says:

      Rebecca I’m w/you on everything you said.

    • Posh Boutique versus Poshe second one is the one Kim D owns. I tried to see if the POSH show is at the Brownstone, but found nothing online.

  4. VV says:

    Looks like that producer is absolving EVERYBODY. Suspicious…

  5. LA_Debra says:

    At this point I wouldn’t believe the Bravo producers if their tongues came notarized. I’m just saying’ …

  6. Trudie says:

    Happy, happy day Shadowsnomore! May it be fabulous from beginning to end!

  7. Powell says:

    Good morning. I love BB’s title, “The Season of no Answers”. Ha! I can’t wait to read. Have a good day everyone.

  8. Lady Chatterley says:

    Thanks for the thorough recap, BB!

    One clarification – the guy who JoeGo asked to call Baldy – that was the owner of the salon. Friend of PeteG.

  9. catmom1 says:

    Good morning. Great blog BB. Hope you enjoyed the Bitch Bubbly, you earned it. I’ve tried the Bitch red wine (was probably a Cab, don’t remember exactly) and it was pretty good. It’s not available in Indiana, but a friend used to bring some back from her Ohio visits.

  10. rabblerouser2010R says:

    Jac really makes me sick. She makes all these accusations that cause a shit storm then stands there and retreats into her vodka soaked brain like a cationic zombie when the grenades start to whiz by.

    • BB says:

      If you look at the picture above where Caroline and JoGo are kissing, Jac looks like she’s loving every minute of it. She doesn’t look very upset to me.

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        Yes, she was smiling in that picture but that was before all the shouting outside the club happened.

    • NightLight95 says:

      Manifesto is up and still no proof, I am not buying voice over with Bravo.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Seriously, if Wacky was so distraught at the fashion show then Bravo would have shown it. Then she claims she was emotionally and physically a mess having a nervous breakdown and couldn’t attend the reunion? Me thinks that since Teresa’s gloves were finally off that Wacky would be getting a double barreled shot of her own well deserved medicine….

      • RealHousewifeVA says:

        She seemed perfectly in control of her emotions, to me. More than anyone else. It’s almost as if Jac was just watching it play out, knowing exactly what was going to happen.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      IMO, Jac looked as happy as a pig in sh*t to be right smack dab in the middle of ALL the drama she ACTIVELY helped to facilitate! I kept watching and thinking, “Why does this LOON look like she is having to FORCE herself to STOP from breaking out into a big ol’ sh*t-eatin’ grin?!?”

      She is LOVING this.

      She did NOT look AT ALL distraught and upset and “on-the-verge-of-nervous-breakdown” like she and others claimed last season as the reason for her missing the Season 3 Reunion.

      I have different theories: 1) BRAVO MADE Jac’s UNSTABLE, LOOSE CANNON, CRAZY ass sit in her house and had her picture up with several guards around the reunion site to prevent that LOON from breaking her way in and revealing all kinds of Season 4 secrets (Never mind. She took to her BFF Twitter to do it anyway); and/or 2) Teresa may have screamed at Jac when she was asking Jac why she told Melissa that SHE was the one who set her up that Jac probably did it because, like Melissa, she was ALSO a stripper and that’s why she sold her out to Melissa. Maybe Jac did not appear because she was afraid Teresa would out her as a stripper at the Season 3 Reunion (Not that it matters, because Teresa outed her last night and ALLEGEDLY outs her again at the upcoming Reunion — which may not be nice of me, but I personally LOVE. That’s the least Jac deserves after all of the nastiness she has constantly been spewing on twitter, twitter DM’s, in her blogs and in interviews.).

  11. RealHousewifeVA says:

    It’s all much ado nothing, in my opinion. NJ housewives love these setups, huh? First Danielle and the book, then Melissa contacting Danielle, now strippergate. Honestly, even if Melissa was set up, EYE FOR AN EYE. What did she expect when she tried to do the same thing herself at one point.

    I know Jac kept saying Teresa should have called Melissa before the show…but after what happened when she privately told her brother early in the season about hearing how M would leave him for a richer man, I don’t blame her for not wanting to tell them anything else she hears. Look how they respond each time? They didn’t even wait to listen to Teresa, they just automatically jumped on the “Teresa set M up” bandwagon.

    I really hope they change something around next season because I just can’t see how they go forward from here. And without Teresa, what are we going to watch? Kathy boring us with her kids or Caroline boring us with hers?

    • trudie says:

      I agree – much ado about nothing. A guy walks up to the table and says: “Remember me?” That’s what we’ve been waiting for all season? Seriously?

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      If I were in Teresa’s position, I do not think I would have said anything either — not because I did not care but because I would fear that I would be the “messenger” that got “killed” again.

      AFTER the Salon meeting, Teresa sees this SAME guy walk up to the table and specifically acknowledge MELISSA and ask her if she remembered him. He said a polite hello to Teresa, but he really did not address anybody ELSE at that table BUT Melissa (I also found it odd how Jac, Caro & Lauren were all looking down at their phones when this guy came to the table and did not even bother to ask who he was when Caro and/or somebody else made it a point to ask who Pete Giudice was. As long as they have been friends with Teresa, Caro never met Pete Giudice before? I don’t buy it.).

      Then Teresa sees the guy mingling around at the party. How did she know the guy was going to leave? Maybe she thought the guy was going to approach Melissa again and say, “Don’t you remember how you danced when you worked for me?”

      Maybe Teresa went into the bathroom to finally warn Melissa about what this guy was saying before she went back out and got approached by the guy again.

      WHY would Teresa feel the need to TELL Melissa that the guy said she was a dancer (stripper, WHATEVER! I don’t really care at this point. I just care about the LYING about it. It is often not the CRIME, but the COVER-UP that is the real problem) when he had ALREADY outed Melissa ON CAMERA at this salon?

      If Teresa wanted to prove to the viewers that her brother married a “skanky dancer/stripper,” would that not have ALREADY been accomplished at the salon?

      It was ALREADY out there before the Posche Fashion Show even started. If Teresa’s goal was to let the viewers know that Melissa was a dancer/stripper, she had already accomplished this at the salon. What did she have to gain by going to the bathroom and telling Melissa what the guy said other than to say, “Look, I met this guy today. This is what he said. I’m giving you a heads-up in the event he approaches you again.”

      Teresa is not the brightest, but she KNOWS how smoothly Melissa can LIE (Teresa lies too. She’s just not as good as it as Melissa or the REST of them for that matter). Did she honestly think Melissa was going to ADMIT to being a stripper/dancer in that bathroom?

      I doubt it.

      • Lady Chatterley says:

        Teresa was angling for a confrontation between Melissa and the bald guy. She was pissed when she came out and the guy was gone. She was panicked when she realized that her brother was on her way – didn’t want him in the middle of it. She was cooking up a hullabaloo, but it went a bit off the rails. And now she’s sitting in a big ole stinky pile of poo and no one’s talking to her and she’s denying things that Kim D can hold over her head whenever she chooses. In the end – yes, Teresa got played – by her pal, Kim D.

      • Lady Chatterley says:

        And welcome back, Detox – glad you’re feeling better! :)

  12. rabblerouser2010R says:

    Thanks for the blogs today….
    I am not looking forward to a 3 episode reunion, that’s a long time to ride that hate train.
    I hope when NJ is done our beloved NJBev comes back.

  13. BB says:

    Totally off topic for some comic (or scary) relief. Undecided voters have questions.

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/undecided-voter/1418227/

  14. AZGirl says:

    Its official. NJ has jumped the shark. Last night was so stupid. So many inconsistencies in the time lines and story line. Why did Mel keep saying “stripper” club rather than dance club? Why did it take all the guys only a few minutes to arrive at PFS? Because they were on the sidelines waiting for this ridiculous set up to go down. Reunion is going to be all BS and I am done

    • BB says:

      Me too, AZGirl. No reunion for me.

    • NightLight95 says:

      Me 3! Why bother watch 1 against two families & their worthless seed?

    • Sasha says:

      I think Melissa kept saying stripper because that’s what’s being insinuated. They may be saying dancer, but they are all thinking stripper. I don’t think it took a few minutes for Joe and Richie to get there. It looks like she did return to the table to finish her meal and they seem to be standing outside in havoc for a while just waiting for their cars.

    • disgrazia4 says:

      It’s Garbage! I’m done watching.

    • Powell says:

      Oh AZGirl you are so right. I’m gonna tweet that to Bravo and Andy. :-)

  15. Obsessed with RH says:

    I know that I am probably in the minority here and that’s fine but I do think on some level Teresa was involved in “strippergate.” I by no means think she had the brain capacity to mastermind it, however I do think that like a previous poster had said, originally, she was so angry with Melissa/Joey that she did want to partake in “bringing them down.” I think this came to fruition after things had settled down but the wheels were already in motion and I don’t know if she really cared to stop it. I do think Kim D had a chesire cat sized grin on her face from the moment Angelo opened his mouth in the salon to the end of the evening. Ultimately I think that cokehead was behind it all. The only reason I can’t seem to bring myself to absolve Teresa immediately from responsibility is that her reaction at the salon and even at the restaurant were not her typical fly off the handle, assault/batter anyone who speaks ill of her or her family. Think about how she flipped a table, threw Andy Cohen into his seat at the reunion, chased after Danielle when things were simply insinuated either about her family or about a topic. If she didn’t know about this and was truly guiltless I think we would have at MINIMUM seen a drink thrown or some hands flying in the air. I do think that Teresa has become so self-absorbed and all consumed by her quest for fame and her hatred of Melissa for marrying her brother (Who I think on some f’ed up Freudian level actually wanted to marry her own brother) that she either had knowledge of this or was a party to it.

    • Sasha says:

      I like what you are saying Obsessed

      • Obsessed with RH says:

        I just can’t shake the idea that she was involved in this. We KNOW she’s incapable of controlling herself or her emotions and while everyone seems to think that her “reaction” was genuine surprise I think that what her “surprised” reactions really are are the physical abuse and verbal tongue lashings we’re used to seeing, not what we saw last night. I also want to comment on Melissa’s reaction. Commentators have said that she was calm and collected which has been equated with guilt. I have to disagree. I think she was aggravated at what was happening and annoyed that Teresa who has a history of beating the crap out of anyone physically or verbally for saying things like “unattended” or “jail” and other harmless words didn’t even flinch to do or say anything to this guy. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think Melissa was 100% right either but I just have to articulate that Teresa’s reaction leads me to believe she was involved.

        Similarly, people are asking why Jac, Lauren or Caroline wouldn’t have told Melissa that Teresa was spreading these rumors about Melissa being a stripper awhile ago. I believe that they didn’t want to insert themselves into this family squabble because look at what happened when T was simply confronted about a TRUE situation wherein her daughter was left ALONE while Teresa was fighting with M’s family/Joey G..At this juncture though it became obvious that Teresa was involved in “strippergate” so Caro, Lauren and Jac said everything that had been happening previously.

        Finally, WHY is Teresa still friends with Kim D? For that matter why is ANYONE friends with Kim D unless they need a cocaine dealer……as shakespeare says…something is rotten in the state of denmark…

        • cdnfillie58 says:

          Yep..I so TOTALLY agree … Have a happy Monday everyone

        • rabblerouser2010R says:

          “I believe that they didn’t want to insert themselves into this family squabble because look at what happened when T was simply confronted about a TRUE situation” I have to disagree with that, we have seen Jac and Caroline continuously insert themselves into a family situation re. Doncaro’s speech to Melissa about how she (Teresa) is willing to destroy a family to get what she wants prior to the PFS. Or Jac asking on camera about finances and possible jail time, both of them trying to discipline Gia..not to mention by that point Caroline was “DONE” with Teresa, so why would she care if Teresa went bonkers about being outed as the mastermind.

          • Obsessed with RH says:

            As to the comment about Jacqueline mentioning the jail time and finances I don’t think that was inserting herself into a family squabble, Teresa went to the magazines and sold these stories. Once you make that information public like that I think it’s fair game for Jacqueline to comment on it. What I meant was that Jac, Caro and Lauren weren’t going to stir the pot further by mentioning to Melissa the specific comment by Teresa that she was a stripper etc (when they first heard it). Regarding Caroline’s speech to Melissa I think that was a general speech, again, commentary on a situation that was broadcast to millions of people. I believe those examples are all different then Jac, Caroline or Lauren coming out and saying to Melissa directly hey Teresa said that you’re a stripper behind your back…but hey, we’re all entitled to our own opinions.

        • Mary E says:

          I agree with a lot of what you say, but..”I believe that they didn’t want to insert themselves into this family squabble.” that’s all they do, its the whole show, they Jac, Caro and Kathy insert themselves into G/G family squabbles. All the time. Caro even looks for ways to get involved (had to pick drop off those bathing suits).

    • bea says:

      I agree with a lot of this. And staying inside, smiling and drinking with Kim D after everyone else was outside also made her look guilty on some level.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        I disagree, Bea.

        • MamaZ says:

          The scenes of them drinking together may have been filmed earlier in the evening. Bravo plays with the timeline a lot!

          • VV says:

            You are absolutely right. It looks like that was done early on in the evening when she just got to the event and was saying Hi to people. She was all smiles, hair in place. After the debacle her entire demeanor was different. This is part of that shitty edit to make her look bad that Bravo has done all season long….

        • bea says:

          See I think every minute she spent with Kim D that night made her look worse. It’s pretty obvious that Kim is at least partially responsible for this, she has absolutely no poker face, so hanging out with her seems to attach Teresa to the set-up.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            circumstantial, IMO

            • Obsessed with RH says:

              For a woman who is SO vehemently and unapologetically obsessed with “loyalty” I cannot agree that Teresa hanging out with Kim D was circumstantial. Teresa might be as dumb as a bag of rocks but she would practically murder someone who hurt someone she cared about.

              • LaineyLainey says:

                Maybe I need to look up the definition of “circumstantial evidence” v. “direct evidence” v. “hard evidence” (this is what the term heard on tv shows – hard evidence). Wait, what are discussing? Is this the topic, cause I can’t seem to keep up and I’ve gone back to re-read this thread and even read between the lines. Is it this?—-> That Tre hanging out with KimD makes her obviously guilty of setting up her sister-in-law. Is that it?

                • Obsessed with RH says:

                  LOL. I hear you it is very confusing and I myself am sometimes like wait what? This particular part of the thread is talking about how Teresa hanging out with Kim D the entire night of the fashion show (and in my opinion every moment after that salon incident) just reinforces her involvement in this “setup” and the fact that she is not without guilt. I don’t think that is the only reason that Teresa was involved in this, however one of the commentators mentioned that every minute she spent with Kim made her look worse/guiltier which i agree with and I was just reinforcing that Teresa wasn’t hanging around with Kim just because she was at the fashion show. I personally believe given Teresa’s physical altercations on behalf of her/her family that if she was truly upset/caught off guard she would have pulled Kim D’s weave out of her head amongst other things. She definitely wouldn’t have continued to be around her let alone be friends with her.

                  • LaineyLainey says:

                    ok, i hear ya. I’m processing it. My favorite part of your reply…”wait, what?” I TOTALLY GET THAT!! LOLOL!!!

                    • Called A Princess... says:

                      I think that maybe Teresa has a hard time processing betrayal. She has had no one on her side for two, back to back seasons. She is probably shell shocked and tired from all the tasks at hand to keep her family afloat. I am not really sure she has that much time to plot, her hateful SIL’s demise. Melissa, Kathy, Caroline and Jackie on the other hand have spent the season, on and off camera, crafting a epic non story to destroy Teresa. I really think that these women really hate, hate, hate Teresa. I can not say the same for her. I do not think that she has the time to hate Melissa and this group of lazy, good for nothing freaks. JMHO.

      • RealHousewifeVA says:

        The problem is, we don’t know when all those scenes were filmed. Why would she be going around and saying Hi to everyone AFTER dinner and the fashion show were done? Makes no sense. Wouldn’t you do that first thing when you walk in?

        • PJ says:

          Exactly! Since we already know Bravo manipulates the time line and things are not always shown in chronological order how exactly do we know when Teresa was walking around having drinks and talking to people. It could have been before she sat down at the table and before baldy came over to the table.

          • rabblerouser2010R says:

            Even if it was after the fact, if it were me I would stay inside and have a drink than walk into the sh!t storm.

        • bea says:

          There is definitely something wonky with the dinner timeline. It looks like they are served salads and then dinner (it looked like Melissa is eating something larger than a salad when Angelo comes to the table), but then later (after the bathroom scene) Kathy looks like she is eating a salad and says something like, clearly something is going on, but I just sat and ate my salad. I could believe that the scenes with Teresa walking around were filmed before dinner.

      • plainviewsue says:

        Bea, it looked like that was filmed when Teresa first arrived. Smiling and greeting people. These editors and producers despise Teresa.

        • VV says:

          EXACTLY! It used to be fun to go back and watch the show to look for flaws and editing errors and contradiction. Not so much anymore. I don’t have any desire to watch this episode again….

    • Boobah says:

      Obsessed- Wow. You and I are of like minds. Thanks for posting.

  16. Big thank you to BB for finishing up this season. I cracked up when I read your first paragraph this morning. Three part reunion?? Poor Starrs.

  17. NightLight95 says:

    RHONJ was a big waste of time! The problem is that Bravo has manipulated scenes/voice overs one too many times, that I don’t trust their supposed “evidence”. They are all guilty as far as I am concerned: The Clown and Jax if Tre is all of those things you accused of, it reflects poorly on both of you for being friends with her for 7-10 yrs and using her when it was convenient to fight Danielle. You are both scum! Kath, Mel and POS of Gorga seed: rather quick to side with Jax and her story. None of you listened to Tre. Sold your family out for a show, here’s to wishing they don’t pick it up for another season. Finally Tre: I still don’t know if she did and say all those things but I didn’t see her insult her brother time and time again and I see her work for family so if she whether she did or did not say or do any of it, I hope she moves on. She is popular and her daughters are wonderful sidekicks on her own show. The whole thing was disgusting and Powell, i will not be watching reunion or another RHONJ.

    • I’ll still watch. Who am I kidding. I need to flip my name around again.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      I agree, Nightlife.

      I think they are ALL guilty of nasty, lying, lowdown, jealous, scummy behavior.

      Every single one of them.

      People defending Teresa are not defending her because they think she is above reproach or a Saint. They are defending her because she is the ONLY one who gets called out on her bad behavior, while the others are allowed to skate by scot-free and pretend to be innocent “angels” who are all being harmed and tortured by the “All-Knowing/Yet-At-The-Same-Time-Dumb-As-A-Box-Of-Rocks, All-Powerful Teresa Antichrist.”

      Do I think Teresa was in on the set-up? Nope. However, do I put being in on it PAST Teresa? Nope.

      Do I think Melissa would have done the same thing to Teresa in a NY minute? Yep. Do I care that Melissa was exposed as a dancer/stripper? Nope. Do I think she was lying her a*s off about it? Yep.

  18. klmh says:

    BB, enjoyed your recap of the NJ show. One disagreement I have with you is why Lauren and Caroline didn’t tell Melissa about what Teresa was saying. Would you get into a family argument with people like that? NO.

    • BB says:

      But they did get involved in the family fueds when it was convenient for them.

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      But didn’t they still inject themselves by running up to Joe and hugging him. Not to mention Jac telling Melissa after the fact?

    • klmh says:

      I don’t remember them accusing one family member of past possible discretions, before housewives, to another on TV. If they did, I can hear the cheers and congratulations from those of you here that can’t stand Melissa, Caroline and Lauren.They aren’t best of friends with Teresa, and there is no way any here would do that to someone with this fractured families relationships. I believe whole heartedly that T. did say that to these ladies, off camera.
      I do though believe that T.’s responsibility in this matter came when she asked M. about the bald man and told her what he said. Big mistake, but feel she didn’t set her up. But please look at the clip where, right before T and M go to the restroom, T looks at the camera and shakes her head yes. It lasts less than a few seconds, but didn’t make T. look innocent.

      • Called A Princess... says:

        I found that if we do not like someone then everything they do becomes suspect. If a dog gets its foot caught in a bear trap, is it the dogs fault for being there. Or is it the fault of the people that set the trap. Or do we spend so much time shaping the story that we can blame that manufacture for making the bear trap? Bravo production! I do believe that Jac did not go to reunion 3 because she could not be trusted to keep the timeline and production edit straight, because she is an undisciplined drama queen/addict. IMO.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Yep, BRAVO had Jac barricaded somewhere they could keep an eye on her as they plied her with Bailey’s just to shut her up and to prevent her from crawling her way into the Reunion somehow.

          On the other hand, I also think Jac might not have gone because Teresa possibly called her out on being a stripper the night before the reuntion at the PFS. Maybe she figured Teresa would be angry enough to do it again at the Season 3 Reunion.

  19. RealHousewifeVA says:

    Okay so I usually am on Teresa’s side in lots of things, even though I’d never want to be friends with her or any of these ladies in real life. I guess i just feel like she’s ‘ganged up’ on and she’s too dumb for it to be fair. But I just watched a couple of the reunion clips and I don’t like how Teresa seems to be fighting back. Insulting Caroline’s weight and looks. I really wished she would have risen above these ladies and not resorted to the nasty comments. She had the opportunity to come off looking better than them, but the whole thing is just going to be ugly.

    • PJ says:

      I understand how you feel but how difficult must it be to sit there and let these ugly people hate on you and insult you and yell lies at you all the while making like they are innocent as angels and you are pure evil. Then for the ridiculous Lauren to be allowed to sit there and add to the insults, that is just wrong. It would get to anyone and Caroline especially really deserved it. I wish Teresa had skipped the reunion but maybe she can’t.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        Lauren’s behavior…It’s a tribute to Caroline’s parenting skills. This is great advertising for her mess of a book.

      • bea says:

        I think she can skip the reunion (Jac did), but she knows that to stay relevant not only does she have to be there, but she (and all of them) need to bring the drama. Teresa’s break-out was when she yelled prostitution whore and tried to flip a table, Bravo gets rid of housewives when they get too boring. I think they are all trying to be over the top to keep the paychecks coming in.

        That being said, it’s pretty awful that the mother of 4 girls is going after a woman because of her weight. I think it sends a really bad message to her daughters about what is important. There are PLENTY of other things to slam Caroline on – basically her whole Don persona – without talking about weight.

        • LaineyLainey says:

          Tre aint to bright, Bea.

        • PJ says:

          I can’t believe what she has had to put up with from these idiots so now she stands up for herself and she gets hate for that. It really is a case of Teresa is dammed if she does and dammed if she doesn’t. I really would like to see what people who are criticizing her would do in her shoes because I have seen people on this board get angry for a lot less. I think Teresa is just being human and most people would fight back, no one likes a gang up least of all the person being ganged up on.

          • RealhouseWifeva says:

            I just think there is so much more she could insult Caroline with rather than resorting to pointing out her rolls or ‘blubber’. I get that she’s had enough, but she was on the right track talking about the kids lack of work ethic…

            • PJ says:

              I know but when pushed to the limits we all make mistakes. I think all the others are going to be brutal against Teresa. Especially sweet old Caroline who insults Teresa’s dress. With these people no matter what Teresa does or says it’s wrong, they stack all the cars against her.

    • BB says:

      Yeah, I don’t want to hear Teresa talking about Caroline being fat and calling her an old hag and I don’t want to hear Lauren calling Teresa a dickhead. Quality TV entertainment it’s not.

      • RealHousewifeVA says:

        Every season there is drama on all the shows, but this time it’s the worst for me to watch because it’s so full of venom and hate and real family/friendships breaking up and hurling insults. It’s uncomfortable, to me. I felt similar to this when Kyle and Kim had their fight on season 1.

    • bea says:

      She also used the r-word last night to describe her brother. I’m not a fan of Teresa (or really any of this cast), but I think that says a lot about a person’s character.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      I don’t like it either RHVA; however, I kinda feel like it’s a little bit of Caroline’s karma for always harping on her own daughter Lauren’s weight (Shrug).

      Teresa should have risen above it, but maybe Caroline needs to be on the receiving end of being criticized for her weight for a change so SHE can see how she has made LAUREN feel all these years (“chunk-a-monk”; “Albert in a Dress”; “10 pounds of sausage in a 5-pound bag”; “I’m not going to tell her she’s beautiful when she needs to lose WEIGHT!!” And this is just the weight stuff, I’m not even mentioning calling her daughter “crazy” and “an asshole” on national television.).

      I once worked with this woman who told me that, when she was young, she ran around with married men all the time. She said, as far as she was concerned, she was not the one breaking any vows — the married men were. She also said that she figured their wives weren’t doing what they needed to be doing at home so that’s why these men turned to her.

      She said it was NOT UNTIL she met and married “the love of her life,” and found out about his affair and his mistress (who, like this woman did in the past, had a hard time leaving another woman’s husband alone) that she FINALLY “got” it and FINALLY realized all the pain she had caused to so many women in the past. She said it was not until she was MADE to feel the way she had made those OTHER women feel that she could relate. And she vowed never to do it again.

      Yes, Teresa should not have stooped so low, but, maybe, in the end, it will make Caroline think TWICE the next time she tries to open her mouth about Lauren’s (or anybody else’s) WEIGHT (O.T.: But why was Lauren’s smug, sour, nasty, bitchy ass sitting her ass on that couch anyway? Did she automatically become a housewive between the Posche Fashion Show and the Reunion?).

      I get the feeling from that clip too that Caroline started the whole looks thing by criticizing the way Teresa was dressed and looking for the reunion (although I could be wrong. If I am RIGHT, Caroline drew “first blood” when it comes to the “looks” department. Also if I AM right, Caroline Manzo’s ass is the LAST person who should be criticizing anything about anybody’s appearance the way she goes around ON CAMERA, no less, looking like a HOT ASS MESS 85-90% of the time. *Shrug*).

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        I agree with what you are saying but Teresa did not play it smart with those comments because when you criticize someone because of a few little rolls, everyone with a few little rolls is also part of the insult.

        It doesn’t sound like T was playing it smart with the footage they have shown. Like when she said how she loved Caroline’s kid but until Blackwater they didn’t have jobs…she should have said something like “I love her kids and I am so happy that now they have blackwater, they finally have a sense of direction” . The dig is still in there, it just couched a lot better.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Oh, I agree totally, Rabble.

          I was just focusing on Caroline getting a taste of her own medicine (even though it will be to Teresa’s detriment as far as her Reunion performance is concerned).

          Teresa is not articulate, and she is not quick-witted. So, I have a feeling that she is not going to be able to ELEGANTLY and CALMLY get her points/digs/put-downs in. I have a feeling she’s just going to be loaded for bear and screaming nasty things back at them to finally get a whole year of frustration out.

          • ATLnNYC09 says:

            Hey Detox! How are you feelin?

            • Called A Princess... says:

              Are we trying to make Teresa over to be someone she is not. We know she is not articulate and we know she is under siege from many different angles. We also know that Bravo likes to lead us astray with wonky reunion edits to get us to “watch what happens.” My guess is that the reunion will be a mess. JMHO.

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              Hey ATL (*Waving*). I’m better, but I’ve got a WAYS to go. I still have shortness of breath for long periods and coughing and wheezing jags at certain periods too. I also feel like I’m being stabbed in the chest and hit all over my upper back with baseball bats when I take certain deep breaths, but that has been a little bit better today.

              Thanks so much for asking.

              (*In my Scarlett O’Hara voice as I hold up my prescription meds, Vick’s salve and humidifier the way Scarlett held up that carrot or turnip she pulled from the ground at Tara*) “As GOD is my witness, I will NEVER take simply being able to BREATHE for granted EVER AGAIN!!!” (Seriously!!!).

      • Rebecca says:

        Teresa should have asked Lauren to name the continents.

        Teresa should have told Caroline she is fighting with one brother and then asked her how many is she is fighting with.

        • LaineyLainey says:

          See that is the problem, Rebecca – – -we CAN ALL think of things Tre should have and could have said. But girlfriend just isn’t able to …um….speak?

  20. plainviewsue says:

    Great recaps ladies! Pictures were too die for!

    I am so done with this show. I didn’t go on the Let’s Chat blog last night cos I finished up the Emmys.

    Just some quick observations:
    1) What happened to Kathy’s face??? Omg, I had to rewind when they showed the clip of the reunion cos I swear I didn’t know who the hell she was!

    2) Caroline’s been telling us to read between the lines. There was nothing to read.

    3) Jac swears on her autistic child. The woman is seriously ill. To go after Teresa with such malicious words and actions is troubling, very troubling. There was absolutely no reason for her NOT to be at the reunion.

    In my opinion, Teresa knew nothing of this. Unfortunately, she acts before she speaks. Melissa didn’t look upset at all in the bathroom. At all. If Jac knew 2 weeks before that someone was being set up, I am sure the 4 babboons discussed it before the fashion show. Melissa told Joe to be available.

    Jac was the trouble maker. How many times did she use the words set up? Telling Joe point blank it was Teresa. And Joe choosing to believe Jac over his own sister.

    This show is so exhausting; these are the last comments I will make about this show. It disgusts me to no end. Bravo and Andy are Bravo pimps for ratings. Melissa and Joe came on this show for one purpose and they succeeded. Melissa never wanted this family to heal. I can’t imagine what if any relationship she has with her in laws.

    Jac desperately needs therapy, and this is no joke.

    Kathy finally has some type of cannoli deal on QVC after a year?

    Albie & Lindsay broke up? Who cares.

  21. PJ says:

    I don’t think Teresa set up Melissa.

    The thing that I find interesting about this whole thing is how excited Wacky and Don get over Teresa being brought down, they are practically salivating with excitement. Wacky seems to just love being in that role of victim she relishes it she stirs the pot and then puts herself in the victim role. Here is Wacky’s line of justification to Teresa: Someone said something about you and I’m going to go with it although there is absolutely no proof. But if I go with this I can hate on you and please Don and play the victim. You can’t know who said it because then you could possibly defend yourself and I don’t want that because I want you to be guilty and I can play the victim some more.

    Virtually everything this ridiculous duo, Wacky and Don, claim that Teresa does they actually do themselves. Teresa is friends with Dina so Don says Teresa breaks apart families she is scary, but what does Don do? Don breaks apart families, she shamelessly goes after Teresa through her family. What about all their lies, first Teresa doesn’t talk about her family and now she talked about them all the time and even to Lauren and Don who who was never really friends with, right nice try.

    Then there is Snake and Saint, they were gleeful over this. Snake was so excited to call Jo ready to Go. She may pretend to be all innocent but she was smiling when she got to the part where she called JoGo. JoGo was really wasted BTW.

    What about JoGo to just turn on your sister like that with Snake in the background manipulating him. There was no proof and he didn’t bother to try and talk things out or to even listen he just went there. This creep makes me sick.

    This is a dark ugly show with dark ugly people on it. Some people are pretty on the outside but ugly on the inside. Some people are ugly on the outside and ugly on the inside. Some people are ugly and love to play the victim. This show is too dark for me to be interested anymore. I can’t look at Don being a bully anymore she makes me sick. I can’t watch Wacky causing problems and blaming Teresa anymore she makes me sick. Saint I just don’t care about and will not buy her desert kit, ever! Why would I do that there are plenty of good bakeries around? Snake I would never buy her music, she makes me sick.

    It just floors me that Wacky can throw accusations around about Teresa and that is supposed to be fine but let Teresa question if Wacky was in on it and Teresa is garbage. Teresa is trash because she is still friends with Kim D but the PFS is at the Brownstone and the cast members buy their clothing there.

    If I knew these people I would not associate with them because in my opinion they are trash. I stopped watching OC because of the ugly drama, then the same with Atlanta, I never started with Miami and I’ll leave it that way. NY turned so dark that I would have been done with it had JZ been around this year (but now Adiva is making me question if I should be watching). The NJ reunion is going to be so dark and another gang up like NY was last year. I think I’m done.

  22. RealHousewifeVA says:

    Someone on another blog cracked me up, they said now that Snooki is a mom she could join this show and fit right in…that’s how low it’s gone. LOL!

  23. WindyCityWondering says:

    First, thank you BB for recapping RHNJ – I know you didn’t want to and you did it for Lynn. You matched her style and kept your personal feelings at bay – she would be proud.

  24. ATLnNYC09 says:

    I agree that its Bravo’s fault but I also have to be critical of this cast. Any group of people that would go onto a show like this and sell themselves and their families out for a few bucks have deep seeded issues and really need mental health counseling. Its very clear that this ENTIRE cast will do ANYTHING for money. I dont put extortion, attempted murder, embezzelment or any other crimes past them. They are a sorry bunch of human beings.

    • MamaZ says:

      I agree! I hope it’s worth it to them. IMO they have risen as far as they are going to fame wise. Very few reality “stars” will benefit long term from this exposure.

      Bethenny was able to because she was already building a business before doing NY. NeNe managed to get herself real acting jobs with Ryan Murphy who is the big time. Whether or not she will have a legitimate acting career remains to be seen. Teresa has put out several best selling cookbooks but I still don’t see her selling new books in 10 years unless like Dina Manzo she finds another network to give her a non Housewives show. And like them or not I think most people will agree that these three are the mostcharismatic of all the Housewives.

      Several of the Housewives had serious careers before doing Housewives. Ramona, Carole, Lisa Vanderpump, Viki Gunnvelson, Khandi Burgess. The rest of them are professional reality stars and will be easily forgotten. Camille and Brandi will be remembered longer for their exes than for the show they were on.

      • RealHousewifeVA says:

        I always wonder why this is worth it to them, just to make a little money. And most of them already ARE successful enough…how much money do these people want? Melissa didn’t seem to care one bit about hurting her in-laws in her attempt to get on the show and become a ‘singer’…does she really think she is going to become a superstar at her age? Like you said, their fame is very short lived. In 5 years, I’d love to catch up with them and see if this was all worth it. Especially with their young children being the unfortunate victimes. They no longer have relationships with their cousins because their parents were fame hungry assholes. So sad to watch. I can’t imagine seeing my family ever behave like this on TV.

        • LaineyLainey says:

          The love of money is a powerful thing. More powerful than one’s love of family in some cases. Then you mix in a little bit of fame (short-lived or otherwise), combine that with a group of untalented, morally bankrupt individuals who think they are above working real jobs,… and what do you get? You have a recipe for the most highly rated and successful Bravo HW show. “…Amazing Grace, How sweet thou art…That saved a wench like meeeeeeeee!”

          • I Need A Housewives Detox Program says:

            LOL. ITA.

          • dch60 says:

            I don’t even think it’s the money… it’s getting their 15 minutes and hoping they can get more. Melissa thinks she is as great as JLo and wants the world to see that. It’s not the money, it’s the attention. It’s the masses telling her how beautiful she is, what a great body she has and what a great singer she is… actually I think she would settle for an okay singer just to get the attention. The money may be the cherry on top but it’s not the driving force.

            • LaineyLainey says:

              I think it plays a huge part in it. That is my opinion. Unless they are donating their entire Bravo paychecks, I will maintain that the love of money is also a driving force.

        • trudie says:

          There are times when I read comments on this blog (including mine) and feel sorry for the Bravolebrities. I think how much I would be hurt if I read some of those things about myself. I think about my neighbors and friends, my children’s friends, teachers, bosses reading those things and how damaging it would be to my reputation and the reputation of my family. Then I remember that I would never sell myself to the devil for a chance at celebrity and I quickly lose any sympathetic feelings I may have.

    • scorpiosue1102 says:

      THANK YOU!!!!! The whole cast are a bunch of conniving, convoluted, lying bunch of hyenas. I don’t believe ANY of them. There is no one person who is innocent in any of this. I’m not going to defend the united 4 because they have petty jealousies and are wrapped up in their “who hurt me” attitude and I won’t defend Teresa because I suspect that she thought from long ago that Melissa was a stripper and is a lying, fraud. I don’t like any of them.

      Teresa being ganged up does kind of suck, but I don’t like her. If she can lie to a federal court she can lie to anyone.

      • PJ says:

        What about the Manzo’s claiming that Caroline’s husband lived at the Brownstone so he could get some benefits (I’m sure someone remembers this story better than I do). These people all have issues with telling the truth, yet so many just want to point the finger at Teresa.

        • MamaZ says:

          Remember “when you hang around with scum you become scum”. Caroline stated in S1 that she and Albert were close personal friends of Bernie Kerik who is in prison for tax fraud. He also abandanded his first child in Korea. And filed false harrassment claims against an enemy, took bribes, lied to the Bush White House, the list goes on and on.

          • I Need A Housewives Detox Program says:

            And had an affair with Judith Regan.

            I don’t know how in the hell Caroline can constantly criticize people for hanging out with “scum” when she and Al were BFF’s with Bernie Kerik of all people!

            Also, I would not be so quick to throw the word “scum” around if I knew the way my father-in-law died (in a manner that let people know he was Mob-affiliated and screwed over the wrong person/people in the Mob who, in turn, put his behind in that trunk, naked, with his penis severed and placed in his mouth. That was done to this African-American guy in my area who started secretly seeing this Italian chick whose family was tied up with the LA Mob Faction [which used to be run by Carlos Marcello]. He was warned to stop seeing the girl by her family and associates. He did NOT. Next thing you know, he is found tied up with his penis severed and placed in his mouth right here in LA. He was not placed in a trunk, though. He was a very, very handsome and sexy man….but what a way to go out….! I damned sure would have listened had I been in his position.).

        • I Need A Housewives Detox Program says:

          Yes, and the Laurita’s poor lawyer had to file a document with a court (Federal also, I THINK) admitting that he’d filed a pleading based on certain things his clients the Laurita’s told him, but that he later learned were NOT true.

          In short, the Laurita’s LIED to their OWN damned lawyer, and, in order to protect himself (from being disbarred probably), he filed a pleading with the Court admitting that his earlier pleading was based on LIES told to him by his OWN clients (If I were their lawyer, after I’d filed that particular pleading with the Court, I personally would have “fired” them as my clients after that fiasco and advised them to seek counsel elsewhere. Lawyers “fire” difficult, uncontrollable, lying, scheming clients ALL the time. I then would have filed a “Motion to Withdraw As Counsel of Record” with the Court to let them know that I am no longer representing those scumbags!).

        • Chicago Diane says:

          Right- Albert got a leadership role in the local community by saying he lived at the Brownstone address. The governor got him kicked out of the role when they checked and found him reporting that, as if he did not live in their Mcmansion home.

      • bea says:

        You are totally right! That is what is wrong with Jersey. Bravo sets up a fake choice and tries to get their viewers to choose sides – either root for Team Teresa or Team Manzo (and each city has a version of this – Kim v. Nene, Kyle v. Brandi, etc). Life is not this black and white. All of the NJ women behave horribly.

        I try to teach my kids that 2 wrongs don’t make a right. If someone treats you poorly, the right response isn’t to drop to their level, but it’s to behave with dignity. I can’t imagine what it’s like to constantly be looking to blame someone else, and using their bad behavior to justify your own.

  25. catmom1 says:

    Entertaining recap at Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sydney-levin/real-housewives-of-new-jersey-season-finale-recap_b_1903772.html

    Loved this at the beginning, “Writer’s Note: It has been a real pleasure judging these ladies and their complex hairlines with you all season. Now that we’ve witnessed the finale part II, let’s clear our very tan chakras and exhale the hate out. We are cleansed … until the reunion shows, at least. Thank you so much for reading.”

  26. deb says:

    Geeeez why does everyone constantly say “I’m officially done with this show and Bravo”…yeah right

  27. MamaZ says:

    I watched the Emmy’s instead but switched over to NJ during the commercials. A couple of things I caught

    Jaq says to someone that SHE heard the bald guy saying earlier that he was going to try to embarrass Melissa. She didn’t say someone told her or texted her but that she heard him. So why didn’t she tell Melissa? Did Bravo edit out a couple of words at the beginning of the sentence or did Jaq reveal a set up against Teresa?

    Melissa tells Joey that Teresa asked her if she was a stripper. But they showed Teresa saying multiple times that she didn’t believe the guy and that she knew it wasn’t true. When Teresa says to Melissa that she never asked her Melissa says “Yes, you did, you said your heart was beating 500.”
    We heard Teresa say that when they were at the table. Did Bravo show her repeating this in the bathroom? If she did repeat it did Bravo edit it out or did melissa just reveal a Teresa set up?

    Jaq and company want us to believe Angelo when he says Kim D and Teresa wanted to set Melissa up but they don’t want us to believe him when he says Melissa was a stripper.

    Jaq says in her TH that Teresa was trying to blame her for setting Melissa up. Not true, Teresa very clearly accused Jaq of setting Teresa up.

    Melissa egging on Joey to say specific things to Teresa as they pull away just confirmed for me what Teresa has been saying all along, that Melissa is the one coming between Teresa and her brother.

    • ATLnNYC09 says:

      Melissa is a bug in Joey’s ear. She has much to gain if his relationship between Teresa falls apart. Its a shame that they havn’t spoken in over a year. Im sure Melissa is very happy about that as she seems to be the one that caused this to happen.

      • PJ says:

        Melissa is a a VERY manipulative person.

      • I Need A Housewives Detox Program says:

        I’m sure Melissa is thrilled.

        Teresa needed to understand, however, that Melissa was Joey’s CHOICE. I can understand her getting upset with Melissa’s manipulating and twisting things to try to alienate the two of them before Teresa was even on the show, but they still supposedly had some kind of familial relationship. They went on trips together. They did the birthdays and the holidays together. Teresa said they had just had some family celebration or event together a few weeks before filming of Season 3 began when, to her surprise, Melissa claimed that they had not been speaking.

        But NO MATTER WHAT Teresa says or thinks about Melissa (which is probably that Melissa was a bit of a tramp who slept around and had a bad reputation for doing that and other unsavory things around town. She probably never thought Melissa was good enough for her brother) Joey is always going to take up for his WIFE and BLAME and/or HATE Teresa for saying anything against her (even if Teresa might be RIGHT). Joey has to learn that on his OWN. Teresa cannot control the outcome.

        One of my Dad’s brothers had a wife that most family members, including my Dad, could NOT stand. Everyone was very polite to her, but they all knew she had a reputation for being a sneaky, manipulative, tramp. Well, she had my Dad’s brothers nose WIDE OPEN — so wide open that he married her and had 2 children with her. My Dad kinda questioned why my uncle would be dating her when they first started, but he then shut up about it.

        He never said anything again until her started hearing about and seeing this woman (his brother’s wife) around town with ANOTHER man. Then, he saw her with the man and her (and my uncle’s) CHILDREN. So, finally, my Dad told my uncle, and my uncle put my Dad out of his house. They did not speak for a while.

        Then, the other man rolled up and took my uncle’s wife, his 2 kids and 1/2 of his stuff on over to his house (where she still lives with him today). My uncle got his divorce papers and sadly signed them. He then apologized to my father and said my father had been right all along. My father then apologized to him and said that he was SORRY that he WAS right.

        Despite it all, my uncle loved that tramp until the day he died (although he had other girlfriends after her).

        The tramp ended up getting her ass beat on “the regular” by her “new love” who constantly cheated on her and treated her like dirt! The last time I saw her, she looked like she had a few teeth missing and looked about 20 years older than her chronological age (And this WAS a BEAUTIFUL woman when she was with my uncle. They say life eventually gives you the face you DESERVE. *Shrug*).

        Joey kinda reminds me of that particular uncle. My Mom loves Country music, and she always said this George Jones’ song reminded her of this uncle of mine (because he loved the tramp until the day he died — just like I’m sure Joey will love Melissa. Teresa just needs to accept that. And focus on the male HO she has in her house: Joe Giudice. LOL.).

        • ATLnNYC09 says:

          ITA Detox

          • Called A Princess... says:

            I also wonder if Teresa may not like Melissa because her parents do not like Melissa. She is not Italian. She does not seem to care about keeping the two families together more then her own selfish pursuits. The elder Gorga’s do not seem very positive or apt to forgive and forget family trespasses. I think they talk to Teresa about disappointment, a lot. She may feel caught in the middle. IMO.

  28. LaineyLainey says:

    I hear the Katfish blog is up.

    • VV says:

      KATFISH!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      Every time I think of Kathy now, I think of THAT. It’s awful.

      I also think of the song “Phoebe Buffet” used to sing on “Friends”: “Smelly Cat”.

      “Smelly Cat, oh, Smelly Cat….” I can’t remember the lyrics, but she would sing it as she strummed her guitar in the coffee shop.

  29. VV says:

    Interesting article from PriscillafromWasilla. It was posted late last night.

    http://priscillafromwasilla.com/2012/09/24/what-i-believe/

  30. deb says:

    what got me was when Melissa and Joe were driving away at the end and Melissa kept telling her brother to tell Teresa “Shame on you….sayit, say it ” she is a manipulative little bitch. Cant stand her.

  31. RealHousewifeVA says:

    At the end of the day, does anyone really care if Melissa was a ‘dancer’. Seriously, she wears less clothes while lip synching and parading around on stage as a ‘singer’ anyway. I laughed out loud when her and Teresa were having their Mensa moment “Would your brother marry a stripper?”, “No, the way we were raised, no he wouldn’t”
    ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? You’ve sold your souls to the devil to have 15 minutes of fame. The Gorgas are on film and pictures faking blowjobs and having Joe Motorboat some topless lady at a club.
    But, the ‘way you were raised’ you are suddenly above marrying dancers?

    I’m in the twilight zone.

    • scorpiosue1102 says:

      These are the same people that won’t leave a marriage where the spouse is clearly cheating. They have a very convoluted way of thinking regarding what is ok and what is not.

    • klmh says:

      I mentioned this a few times last night, but it doesn’t have to do with us, the viewer. It has to do with the conversation she was having with T. She said something to the effect that “if my husband thought I danced do you think he would marry me” and T. said no, not in our family, or something like that. She is protecting herself because of her husband’s response.

  32. MamaZ says:

    I did watch WWHL last night. I thought it was very telling when Mark Consuelos bet Andy $50 that he couldn’t get the women to go to the Poshe fashion show again. Andy, Kelly and Mark are RL friends. They think this is funny. It’s all a big goof to them because in spite of saying they love this Housewife or that they really have nothing but disdain for the people who do these shows. They are like people watching a dog fight. It’s disgusting and really lessened my opinion of Kelly and Mark.
    I also think it’s interesting that Mark will be in the next season of American Horror Story done by another of Andy’s RL friends Ryan Murhpy. I guess it pays to be on Andy’s good side because Mark hasn’t exactly had a stellar career.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      But aren’t we all a little like that? I feeling like I’m watching a train wreck and can’t look away. And I totally look down on the people who sell out themselves and their family to do these shows, just to make some money. I love these shows because it proves to me that no matter how much money they have, I am much happier with my own normal life :)

      • MamaZ says:

        Yes, I am beginning to feel like I’m watching a dog fight. But I am not throwing meat into the ring which is what Mark Consuelos was doing. There are levels of guilt.

        • RealHousewifeVA says:

          I thought it was just a joke, since the PFS seems to be the center of all the NJ controversy each season. Seemed like he was just pointing out that no one will want to show up for it anymore. I could be wrong, though.

          • trudie says:

            I thought it was a joke too.

          • klmh says:

            I did too.

            • MamaZ says:

              I know it was a joke but I think the nature of the joke says something about how they look at the people on these shows. Like playthings of Andy’s. It thought it was distateful.

              • klmh says:

                I think those of us on the blogs are the ones that take it too seriously, myself included. We are fix it people here. We want to know what we can’t make sense out of, take sides, and defend. Better to do what these people do, because sometimes you can’t fix stupid, and this is one of those cases. jmo

  33. I Need A Life! says:

    Melissa is on Wendy Williams. Kim D is at the reunion show. She will make a claim that Theresa did know something. I only caught the last half of this interview. Melissa says that Theresa did know.

    • I Need A Life! says:

      Her point., “Why didn’t she call me and say the drama was coming? Why tell Kim D.?” Sorry…can’t follow because Melissa looks exactly like Jennifer Lopez on the show and it’s very distracting.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      She says Tre knew??? shocking.

      • MamaZ says:

        I wouldn’t be shocked to learn Teresa knew about it in advance. I think they all knew. I think Bravo told Kim D to bait the trap. Teresa took the bait because Bravo is her employer, she wants to hang on to that paycheck and if her b***h SIL looks bad in the process then oh well. I don’t think Teresa orchestrated anything. But I think she felt she had to play.
        It was a double double cross.
        Jaq and Caroline were tipped off. Probably by Kim D since they both have admitted to buying dresses at her store following the fashion show. And we now know the next show is at The Brownstone. Melissa was warned before the show by Bravo, Jaq or Kim D.

        • scorpiosue1102 says:

          Yep. I think Teresa knew something but was not part of the set up. There was a talking head of Teresa’s last week where she was saying something about not being surprised that Melissa was a stripper (at least I think I remember that). If she wanted to keep the peace with her brother why not diffuse that? Why not say you didn’t believe it? I think Teresa wanted to believe that it was true.

          • RealHousewifeVA says:

            But why does she have to not believe it, just because Melissa is her brother’s wife? She has said in the past that people always told her Mel was a dancer. If someone kept telling me that about someone else, I might think maybe there was some truth to it, especially the guilty way Melissa always looks when it’s brought up. Why should Teresa say it’s not true if she doesn’t know if it is or not? Melissa lies a lot about her jobs in the past. She never worked as an actual teacher. Melissa DID work at Lookers….and she admitted she dressed in a bikini to get 100 dollar bills from pervy old men. It’s not too far of a reach to say maybe she was one of the dancers, too.

          • Called A Princess... says:

            I know the sky is blue sometimes, it does not mean I painted it! I am just not sure what Teresa knew and did not know concerning the bald mans appearance at the fashion show. The narrative edit, by design, is to crazy to fully piece together in a logical manner. IMO.

      • PJ says:

        Of course everything angel Melissa says is true!

        • LaineyLainey says:

          Or was that JLO? I am so confused. not.

          • PJ says:

            She does her best to look like JLo at all times.

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              She WISHES she could look like J-Lo. J-Lo is about 10 years older and looks 20 times better and classier (as long as you cut out the “douche of the moment” that happens to be hanging on J-Lo’s arm out of any pic she’s in. Can J-Lo NOT be in a relationship for 5 MINUTES?! Jeez, J-Lo!! I love you, Mama! You are on my “Forever Loved Divas List” along with Mariah, but I can’t keep defending you on this “J-Liz-Taylor”!).

              • dch60 says:

                Look at the fame-gorgas site. Mel’s old face book pic (or twitter pic) anyway, some pic of Melissa she is mimicking EXACTLY a pic of JLo. It’s just so obvious that’s what her goal is. She’s so transparent (and classless… just had to throw that in there.)

  34. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    I am so happy this season is over!!!!
    I think everyone and their mother’s were in on this stupid set-up. I think it is laughable that Teresa could actually pull off something like this on her own when she has trouble forming a 5 word sentence.
    I love how Caroline thinks Teresa is garbage b/c Teresa accused Jac of the same exact thing Jac accused Teresa of.
    Why was it such a scandal that Pete Giudice was at the fashion show?
    Why did Kathy think she needed her husband there? She doesn’t go to clubs without her husband? Who says that?
    How proud were Melissa and Kathy that their husbands showed up to “protect” them the creepy bald guy who was already gone?
    Is anyone shocked that Teresa talked about Melissa to Jac and Caroline? didn’t we all know from Melissa herself-that her and Teresa were not getting along since the dawn of time? Why would it be a big deal if Teresa talked smack about her SIL to 2 women who she thought were her friends? Has no one ever done that? Sometimes you gotta vent about family to non family members-just so you don’t say all the dumb shit you are thinking at that moment to your family!!
    Why did Joe Gorga tell Teresa that she should have pulled the creepy bald guy out by his hair when he knew creepy bald guy was in fact bald???
    Why did Melissa look so happy in the bathroom after she talked to Joe? She didn’t seem to worried that he would show up and kick some ass-but then when he got there she was ‘so scared”
    What was Pete Giudice congratulating Teresa for. If it was for her successful set-up of Melissa then this is the dumbest family in the US of A.
    Why in the name of all that is holy did they need Lauren at the reunion????

    • BuffaLOVE says:

      All valid questions! And if Teresa set this whole thing up and was the master manipulator of all things why would she go to the salon where this bald creepy man “allegedly” works? Why wouldn’t she plan it all behind the scenes and then just have him confront Mel at the table….And if Jac knew this was all going down and SHIT was going to hit the fan tonight why did she sit there all night texting and not stop anything….and lastly and most importantly why did Mel seem TO LOVE ALL OF IT!?? And Jac said she knew all of this for years and that Tre tried to get her and Caro to do it, so why is she that shocked?

      • dch60 says:

        Very good point about Teresa first meeting bald guy at the salon. Wouldn’t it have been more effective if he just showed up at the show and said “Melissa remember me? You used to be one of my dancers at Lookers.”? All questions above are valid. This is so ridiculous.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      Why are all of your rapid-fire questions making me laugh my ass off??!! :-D

    • ATLnNYC09 says:

      Great questions, especially the last one. Cant lapband stay at home? Doesnt she own a business? Wasnt the reunion taped on a friday? Shouldnt she be at work? Whats up with Kathy’s face in the reunion preview video? Why doesnt Andy give those women those soft bats that they can hit each other on the head with?

  35. barbinga says:

    Can anyone direct me to the timeline of the last 2 seasons? I’m going to scrutinize for my own curiousity. Somethings fishy, and it’s not Kathy.

    • Iowagirl says:

      Funny! Poor Kathy.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      says you, barbinga. Richie says it IS KATHY.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      There is an interview on Famewhorgas.wordpress.com that I found interesting. I am not sure of it’s legitimacy but it sounds real. If that was really the producer, they said it was a big learning curve to film the seasons back to back the way they did b/c it really messed with the storyline and timeline. According to the interview, a lot of the anger Jac/Caroline/Teresa had with one another was due to what was showing on TV for Season 3, as they were filming Season 4, but since they couldn’t say that, they had to choose their words carefully (and edit carefully)
      I think Bravo made a big mistake with the way they filmed Season 4 and now it’s interesting that they still haven’t started filming Season 5 yet. They are trying to figure it all out after that screw up. Even if the families were on the mend, they were season what they all said about eachother on screen each week and bad feelings kept getting brought back to surface (IMO)

      The producer also said they no longer work for the show but that they hear Kathy will not be a full time HW next season. No loss, she bores me.

      • barbinga says:

        :-) I don’t care for the famewhorga site, I don’t like actual hate sites. Snark is one thing, that is another level. Do they have a timeline? I know a lot of anger is from the Punta Canna trip, but I know Nappa couldn’t have been 2 weeks before the fashion show, right? 5 months of filming, babysitting during fabalini, I just want to put it together.

        • MamaZ says:

          barb – I sort of agree about famewhorga. I am very wary of anonymous sources and blind items. If everything they say is true why not say who you are? Lynn wasn’t afraid to put her name on her blog because she stood by what she wrote. And she may not have revealed the names of all her sources but I trusted her to verify stories because her name and reputation were at stake. I read the famewhorga site sometimes but take everything with a grain of salt.

          • dch60 says:

            But I can understand not wanting your name known if you’re an insider. I don’t think it’s anymore a hate site than this one was when it started. Let’s face it, it started because of one person… Jill. It grew from there sure. That site only concentrates on the Gorga’s because they ARE an insider so they are providing that info. Much of it is backed up with tweets and pictures, etc. and a lot of it is just a compilation of comments from other sites.

        • RealHousewifeVA says:

          I know what you mean, usually I don’t read their site, but this interview seems legit. It wasn’t done by the famewhorga website owners, they were just posting it.

          I believe the timeline is something like this:

          Melissa took the girls for that ‘babysitting’ trip in early July. The salon she went to posted pics of the visit with the date on it.
          The Napa trip was late August (this is evidenced by the Hurricane)
          School started right after the Napa trip.
          The Posche Fashion Show was September (27, I think…late September)
          The Reunion filmed the next day.
          The Fabellini launch was October 7 (that’s why none of the other HWs were there, Mel had babysat 3 months prior)
          Caroline’s sirius radio show was October 11.

      • silexfan says:

        I read that piece and it was pretty articulate and made a lot of sense to me…with regard to the filming. That is probably why we have all these stupid scenes that are out of loop with regard to the time frame. She denies any of the producers were fired…I will say the contract of this Cat Rodriguez was simply not renewed (different wording than being fired, but it can be the same thing with contracters). According to this insider all this fighting is based on jealousy because Tre has the books/endorsements. Dina did have a legal issue (the one with signing contract for daughter to appear). Also Dina’s family and Tre did not stick up for Dina and that is the reason she is not speaking to her family. Tre is not family so is forgiven. All of the above makes a lot of sense, as I have felt jealousy is really the root of everything here. Tre made it to the top and hussled while DonCaro was nursing her adult children and Jaq was pouring baileys in her coffee all day.

        • LaineyLainey says:

          you is funny silexfan. but you also make some good points.

          • contessa says:

            Hi Lainey, Silexfan is a very old screen name, but it’s really contessa. Please go to famewhorgas site the read this and you will see what I am writing about. It sounds like a real interview and it is a two parter. Puts some of this nonsense into perspective.

        • dch60 says:

          Let’s face it, why is it so crazy to think Bravo would lie about firing a producer. Don’t they always lie about firing housewives? Dina wasn’t fired, Peggy T from OC wasn’t fired, etc. etc. Lynn always wrote about Bravo letting the housewives save some dignity and say they left, but she always knew they were actually fired.

      • Sam says:

        Thank you for reminding me to check the Famewhorgas site! And I’d be willing to bet good money on the interview being real.

        • Birdwoman says:

          I wrote this whole rant and now I mistakenly erased it! LOL! Well, I read the interview and it did answer some things for me such as: Why Jacq is so angry with Teresa. I can understand why Jacq would be hurt. However, the reality is that Teresa is the star of the show, her products sell. Why would a business invest a lot of money in a housewife they are unsure can sell products for them? Jacq, had skills she could of utilized to get endorsement deals and build a brand. Such as: beauty, make-up, hair…yes, she would be stepping on Laurens turf but come on her make-up is always much better than Laurens. I am sure as time went on her disappointment turned to jealousy and ruined a long time friendship.
          Caroline’s hate comes from jealousy. She is jealous that Teresa got a book published before her. She hates that Teresa became the star because Caroline thought of herself as the diva of this show. When it all comes down to the issues these women have with each other it is all stupid and petty.

          • dch60 says:

            Caroline wanted to destroy Teresa and her relationship with her family members because she believes Teresa destroyed Dina and her relationship and all the other siblings she isn’t talking to according to Caroline which is ridic, but hey that’s Caroline. Tit for tat. You ruined my family so I’m ruining yours.

  36. Iowagirl says:

    Why does Bravo hate Teresa so much? They have a preview of Teresa being nasty to Caroline at the reunion, but no previews on the other girs nastiness to Teresa. Why does it seem like Bravo wants to take her down? Why so one sided?. You would think after all the pro Teresa comments that Bravo would know they bet on the wrong horses. Why do they hate her so much?

    • VV says:

      They’ve done that all season long with every single preview. Teresa is shown in a bad light. A surprise would be showing her in a good light.
      Two years of bashing and they continue to the bitter end…

      • Iowagirl says:

        I know but why? Is she a diva to film? It seems like a personal vendetta to me. She had to have pissed off someone royally.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      They’ve hated her ever since the push felt ’round the world, and Andy went flying into his seat. lol

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      Maybe the Manzo’s are “mobbed up,” and they have told Andy and others at BRAVO to make Teresa look bad “OR ELSE!!”

      That’s the only thing that makes sense to me (and it is absolutely ridiculous, but absolutely ridiculous are perfect words to use to describe what this show has become).

      • dch60 says:

        I agree. I just don’t believe he’s THAT mad because Teresa pushed him. She did it in the heat of the moment… it’s not like she was going after HIM.

  37. WindyCityWondering says:

    Well there was a “set up” and it was the viewers who were the victims! Not so much viewers who populate HW blogs, as we are likely less than 1% of total viewers – but everything was done for the viewers’ benefit. Bravo made sure that no housewife was left looking good at the end of the night.

    • VV says:

      I thought the exact same thing. Is Bravo cleaning house or already setting S5?

    • klmh says:

      The Gorga and Guidice families have been the victims as well. I am not blaming anyone here, because I don’t know who was responsible, other than Kim D., and probably Kim G, who fed info to Jacthepawn. Its a terrible thing to happen to these families.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        Hi KLMH – didn’t you mean jactheSpawn

        • klmh says:

          She could fit into several categories at this point, eh? :)

          • LaineyLainey says:

            yes. JacTheKnife(inTre’sback) too long? ok. nevermind.

            • klmh says:

              I think Jac was crushed when their relationship went down the drain, and I think she was easy to manipulate at that time. That’s why she took those damned texts to heart and believed them. She should have realized that there was so much animosity between Kim G., M and T, and that those texts were nothing more than to stir up s*it. She was a pawn as well, imo.

  38. Lulu says:

    Something makes no sense:

    Melissa worked 1 or 2 weeks at a “bikini” bar while working as a 2nd grade teacher? So she’s 33 married for 7 years? Prior to marriage became a teacher for what a year if best? Something just doesn’t make sense here. Her teacher’s salary wouldn’t have paid for her “bubbies” and 2 weeks as a “bartender/waitress.” Wouldn’t have either. I think what is fueling Tre’s suspicians that Melissa is a golddigger is her mother. As a mother to a son I would have seen “melissa” coming miles away. There is definitely something shady in her past.

    As for Jaq anyone catch the “duping delight” in her talking head? When someone is lying there are things theirs eyes and expression can’t hide. She did set up Tre her and Caroline did. Notice how quiet Caroline was while Tre was confronting Jaq? Jealousy is a very ugly thing! I hope they get the boot!

    • LaineyLainey says:

      ..up the wazooo

    • ATLnNYC09 says:

      I agree Lulu. Melissa also had a nose job so add that to the calculation and it makes even less sense.

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      It’s also weird that the bar still has these pay roll records from since they are only required to keep them for 7 years in NJ and if she worked there in prior to 2003 (her and Joe married in 2004) they likely would have been destroyed.

    • Lulu says:

      I think Melissa had a big pappa but not a Kim big pappa. A sleazy I’ll give you money for uknowhat kind. What strikes me as odd with her is how willing she is to please “rich” men. Prior to the Soul Diggaz meeting at the tea room why did she want to dress sexy for them??

      A friend’s cousin owns a nightclub and he keeps records from 20 years back. With all the liabilities it’s almost required that you do so you never know who will sue. That’s no uncommon.

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        Why so long, even if it’s to protect from a civil lawsuit its sounds past the statue of limitations.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        Lulu, I’m so glad you brought that up when she was trying on her hooker heels for her friend and she said “I want to look sexy for them!” I was thinking, if you could really sing, I hardly think they would care about your professionally done hair, make up or hooker heels. But alas, there is an image…not a voice. do, re, mi, fa, so, la, ti, dooooooooooh!

        • cdnfillie58 says:

          Oh I beg to differ…they would care to look as sexy as possible when you’re auditioning…sad but true..and they ALL do it..and I’m sure most of these directors or whatever want to call them base these girls worth on appearance as much as talent.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            Tracey Chapman? Avril Lavigne? Adele? Missy Elliott? Kelly Clarkson? Jennifer Hudson? Cindy Lauper, Patti LaBelle, …. just off the top of my head, these are all accomplished singers who do not dress like trashbox hookers for their producers or their audience in order to be successful. Why? Because they have voices. REAL GOD GIVEN TALENT. Yes, there are many female artists who capitalize on their entire image – the whole package – their sexiness…but NOT ALL. More power to ‘em. But Mel is not in the Patti LaBelle category in my opinion. She’s selling what she’s got and it’s not a great voice. I sound just like her!!! Promise!!! Granted, I’m no where near as pretty, but that girl is not selling her voice to the producers. She is produced to the nth degree, she has some new moves and she is nice to look at, no doubt.

            • cdnfillie58 says:

              Lol you just reminded me Tracey Chapman is a girl. I was always confused for a while listening to her sing. I agree I shouldn’t have lumped them all into that category should have said the majority of them that aren’t that confident about their voice but want to be a singer so bad they can taste it
              BTW: Add Celine Dion to your list…she’s my favorite. :P

              • LaineyLainey says:

                Ok, I will… I love her (Celine) rendition of Claire de Lune (sp)…weird I know. Ok, i’m coming down from my rant….yes…playing Celine’s Claire de Lune…. sorry I went all trashbox hooker cause the girl wanted to look nice. It’s what works for her and it has worked thus far. Like it or not. LOL!!!

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              Trashbox Hookers!! LOL, Lainey!! Ooh, Lawd, I’m going to have to go stick my face in front of my humidifier with Vick’s salve up my nose because that just made me laugh, cough and wheeze at the same time!

              I need to BREATHE!! JAYSUS!!

              • ATLnNYC09 says:

                Yessss. Trashbox hookers a la NeNe Leakes. Oh Lainey, you are so right. She selling what she’s got, and it aint her voice. Im waiting for the day she comes out on stage in a JLo glitter bodysuit.

            • dch60 says:

              Exactly Lainey… if she REALLY could sing… it wouldn’t matter. Susan Boyle anyone? But Melissa’s deal is sexy, whether it has to do with meeting some producer or hosting her daughter’s b-day party or a game day at Jac’s house.

        • Lulu says:

          Lol!!! Hooker heels probably worked for her at some point!

          • LaineyLainey says:

            LOL!! Yes, in all fairness sexy shoes work, I guess. I was really just being facetious…my rant should have remained more with her comment “I want to be/look sexy for them!” and not the actual shoes. I got carried away because I’d been hoping someone would mention that comment. It just didn’t sound like something a person who has been working their whole lives to showcase their with a gift would say. I thought maybe a comment like this would fit the comment of a long suffering artist: “If they ask me to sing, I want to be ready and really impress them with my voice.” But no, “I want to look sexy for them!”

            • ATLnNYC09 says:

              ITA agree Lainey! Melissa needs to invest in some singing lessons and not new outfits if she really wants to impress.

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              Speaking of pneumonia and NOT having to or even worrying about looking like a “trashbox hooker” to get a record deal, I present to you a woman who, WITH pneumonia, sang her heart out without even worrying about dressing like a “trashbox hooker”:

              • LaineyLainey says:

                That was awesome, Detox. Exactly what I was talking about. This lady is VOICE VOICE VOICE!! So interesting thing…while I was watching, I realized this was filmed in Austin, TX…I saw a young lady from my neighborhood at 1;47 (in the audience) and then at 4:18 the girl to our right (Simon’s left) is my daughter’s roommate from last year. I hope Panda recovers fully so she can compete and maybe win this thing!

  39. Boobah says:

    Happy Birthday Shadowsnomore!!! And Happy Belated Birthday to those who I missed!!

    I watched the Emmy’s last night then caught NJ afterwards. NJ is such a hot mess of b*llsh*t !!!! Cripes! What a convoluted nightmare! I am so glad it’s almost over.

    I was sickened when a clip of Taylor made it’s way into the Reality TV montage at The Emmy’s ….really, Emmy people?!!?? TAYLOR?! Of all the Housewives?

    I haven’t read the blog yet but I wanted to say Hi before I try to catch up.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      hi :)

      • MamaZ says:

        Boobah! I was asking about you the other day. I deleted our old emails and I didn’t have your email address saved. :( Email me some time when you get a chance. I think some of your tips are helping.

        • Boobah says:

          MamaZ!!!! I have been thinking about you! So sweet that you asked for me on the blog. I’m sorry I haven’t been around….I had quite a week and a half! I have caught he HW’s shows but found it hard to catch up on the blog. I am so thrilled some of the tips might be working….I will send ya an email today.

          I read upthread that you caught he Emmy’s….what did you think? I thought it was one of the better shows that they’ve put on in quite some time. I wasn’t really a fan of Kimmel’s until last night. He did a very good job. Modern Family’s win made me happy – that is one funny azz show!

      • Boobah says:

        Hi LanieyLainey!!!! :)

  40. scorpiosue1102 says:

    Teresa’s problem is Teresa. With all the gang mentality all she has to do is check her temper at the door for the reunion and sit like Pollyana and she’d come up smelling like roses. Yet, because she is a bit of a hot head, it didn’t happen. Instead we see stupid, snarky comments coming up and Teresa looks bad. Kim and Nene did it the one reunion. It made for a boring reunion but we didn’t see stupid comments.

  41. WindyCityWondering says:

    When I look back over the RHNJ seasons there is one theme that hasn’t changed. The Manzos and Lauritas by default, were supposed to be the “fambly” on the franchise. They let Dina walk by not backing her play and got rid of Danielle. And Teresa was a loyal, funny side kick. Then Teresa started raking in the opportunities and getting more air time than Caroline’s silly spawn. So Bravo brings in Teresa’s family and once again the Manzo/Laurita machine kicks into gear – isolated Teresa and nudged her family into an implosionusing every bit of information they could gleen from Melissa/Joey/Kathy and Richie. If Teresa can’t film with her family then all of them should be gone – and once again the Manzo Family rules….. except Bravo “magic” intervened at the PFS and showed each and everyone of them as liars.

  42. silexfan says:

    Jaq appeared to enjoy all the drama last night…she did not look like she was having a meltdown, nervous breakdown. I would bet serious money she didn’t go to the reunion because she was afraid of what Tre would say and also because she had a serious hangover. Who the heck gets so emotional about a gf break-up???? I had a gf of 20 years and I finally had it with her about some issues, I blew up and that was it. I did not cry about it for one stupid minute.

    Is it me or do Don Caro and Lauren always look unkempt, dirty. In some scenes it looks like they haven’t washed their greasy hair for days. Also Lauren got the lap band surgery, but unfortunately the lost weight has made its way over to DonCaro and Jaq. I realize Jaq has serious issues with her beautiful little boy…and that is where her energy should be focused and not on taking sides and throwing slings out about people texting her blah, blah, blah. If you are going to state something about someone telling you something, you should be prepared to back it up asap. It was a very convoluted accusation that Jaq kept throwing out there. I am seriously tired of the Manzos and Larita’s. Joey and Mel got what they wanted, and when Mel was screaming in the car for Joey to tell Tre off, you could really see the puppet strings. I am tired of Joe Gorga and Rich Wakile with their sexist disgusting remarks.

  43. amalfi says:

    One has a daughter who’s mom calls her an asshole.
    The other has a daughter who calls her a drama queen.

    These are your children. This tells me everything I want to know about Jac and Caroline as human beings.

  44. BB says:

    JoeGo was not at home watching the kids. He was at his latest cat burglary job. Meanwhile Richie was at an 80’s Frat Boy party.

  45. contessa says:

    Test, Test, Test

  46. RealhouseWifeva says:

    I love how Jac tweeted that most people see the truth, no you crazy woman, you just block everyone that disagrees with you!

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      Seriously. She is delusional. Last night on twitter there were countless tweets that supported Teresa but only a few for the other players.

  47. rabblerouser2010R says:

    I am almost sure that Kim D was probably the one who was tweeting Jac about the details. I noticed in her blog, she said she was being messaged by a “mutual friend who was INVOLVED” and we all know that Kim D is neck deep in it. She also blathered about how at least Kim D admits to the things she does.

    I can totally see Kim D playing to both sides for this reason, the more people who will film with you gives you more screen time on the show. If Teresa gets iced out of the show, then she can still go through door number 2 (Jac).

  48. ladyballs says:

    satchels of gold

  49. trudie says:

    Do you think that last night was the first time that Jac realized that Caroline had red hair? I laughed out loud when she made that comment.

  50. The Tin Man says:

    I think Melissa was a bartender at the “gentleman’s” club, a bartender who wore a bikini and danced around while she served drinks so she could get $100 tips. I also think Teresa is jealous of Melissa because despite being the kind of woman that a traditional Italian family would reject, Melissa snagged a husband who adores her and treats her well, something Teresa didn’t get.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Well I am not sure Gorgon treats his wife so well – he calls her names, he says he owns her and he is always with her because I doubt he really trusts her. None of that sounds like love to me – more like an attention craving, insecure, quick tempered dimwit willing to allow his family to be destroyed cause his little head rules his world. He skeeves me out!

      • Sasha says:

        Doesn’t seem insecure or dimwitted to me. Seems to love and adore his wife and kids. Takes some if his antics a little too far sometimes but some of us crave more attention than others. Not his fault that his sister can’t accept the fact that he is married and had to put his wife before her.

        • LaineyLainey says:

          One woman’s sex-crazed, embarrassing, scene-stealing, foul-mouthed, dirty-minded inappropriate, control freak nightmare (Joego) is another woman’s dream man. And don’t get me started on JoeGui.

          • Sasha says:

            That’s my point! I couldn’t be married to him but I can see he’s Melissa’s dream guy and they do look happy to me.

        • dch60 says:

          He acts like he owns her. If that’s what you refer to as adores than so be it.

    • PJ says:

      I actually think Teresa doesn’t like her because Melhissssssssa is the kind of woman that doesn’t want her husband to have a relationship with his family.

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        ITA. The fact that Teresa thinks Melissa is a tramp who allegedly provided more than “alcoholic beverages” at Lookers when she was in “the boom boom room” or also, ALLEGEDLY, the Lookers’ parking lot does not help endear her to Teresa either.

  51. Sasha says:

    Tin Man that is why I think there is friction between Teresa and Melissa. Teresa is jealous of the relationship that Melissa and Joe have.

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      What is it that Melissa and Joe have?

      • Sasha says:

        You and I probably won’t see eye to eye on what I think they have and that’s cool.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        Andy Cohen as an ally.

      • bea says:

        As gross as I find him, I think Joe Gorga is a very attentive husband. I think he is extremely attracted to his wife and “takes care” of her financially. We see him building a home studio for his wife and chasing Melissa around the house. I don’t think Joe Guidice is attentive at all. I don’t know that they’ve ever (in 4 seasons) shown him do something nice/sweet for Teresa. She also is probably the primary breadwinner in that home. Not a bad thing, but a different dynamic than when they started the show and Joe would give Teresa stacks of cash to go shopping.

        I don’t know if Teresa is jealous or not of their marriage. My read is she may be more jealous of the time Melissa gets with Joey. I think she really loves her brother and would like to have him in her life on a daily basis, like he was when Gia was born and he was around all the time. I think she sees Melissa as getting in the way of that.

        • Sasha says:

          Bea, she likes single Joey, not married Joey. Curse them for not letting the therapist get to the root of all this evil.

        • ladyballs says:

          i made that point last week, so clearly i agree, bea.
          satchels of gold

        • ATLnNYC09 says:

          ITA bea. Gorga definitely loves his wife more than Giudice. Teresa must be able to see that.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            I said this a LONG time ago:

            Joey loves Melissa MORE than Melissa loves him (HE’S in love with her, and SHE’S in love with her. So, it’s a perfect relationship. I don’t rule her leaving him in the future if a better offer comes along, though. Sorry. I’ve seen her kind too much before. I just don’t think she will get a better offer, though. I also personally think he repulses her at times. *Shrug*).

            And Teresa loves Joe Giudice more than Joe Giudice loves HER. So, basically, Joey and Teresa are in the SAME position. They just don’t realize it.

        • dch60 says:

          He also told her that they were having sex whether she liked it or not because it had been like three days since the last time. Melissa wasn’t too happy about it either. I’m quite sure Melissa can’t say no too often which is fine if that’s what she wants… but as a mother of three, I’m sure there’s times when she would rather be sleeping. He also gets off on other men wanting her but not being able to have her. He’s a sick puppy. I can almost guarantee that Teresa was right… if someone else better came along, Melissa would be out of there without a second thought. It’s not true love between them.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        A need to be famous and a willingness to destroy his family to obtain it.

      • T-Rex says:

        Rrouser JOGO doesn’t call his wife a Bitch, or a c**t on camera while mic’d up, he doesn’t tell his wife to shut up, or to F**king shut up, he treates Mego with a bit of respect, and I think that yes Teresa is jealous of that and remember JOGO had what Juicy wanted which was a son.

        • rabblerouser2010R says:

          But he has sulked and ignored her if she didn’t ‘release’ his poison. I also think he did yell at her to shut up when they were river rafting, if I remember right. I know he was snapping at her.
          Seeing the way he went after his own sister at his sons baptism and needing to be restrained going after Kim D (not that I think much of her) doesn’t tell me he has much respect for women. I don’t see treating your wife as a sex object the same as putting her on a pedestal.

        • VV says:

          Joey did call Mel a b*tch on the canoe ride. We also, don’t know what is left in the editing room by producers who favor them. I’ll adventure to say that nothing is left in the cutting room when Joe Giu curses and them via the magic of cutting and slicing Bravo makes up some.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            And, ALLEGEDLY, Joey SLAPPED Melissa in front of a group of people at the Jersey Shore. I do NOT remember where I read that (Sorry. I read SO MUCH stuff, work and non-work-related ALL the time).

            Do people think that “Gorga temper” does not flare up when Joey is at home alone with Melissa and there are NO cameras around? I think Joey makes sure to put his best face forward when he is ON CAMERA.

            I think Joe Giudice, on the other hand, could give a sh*t and would love to tell the entire camera crew to go f*ck themselves while he has a glass of wine and eats a SAMMIDGE — ON CAMERA (with Milania strangling Audriana in the background)!! JMHO.

  52. Kat from Ohio says:

    i’ve been tweeting with danielle. i was wondering, if i get the chance to ask her to agree to an interview, would the blog go for it? i’m a good writer and would try to do it justice (i’m a senior at OU studying creative writing and women’s/gender studies, so i’m constantly writing). of course this is presumptuous, but i’d be more likely to ask if people were interested.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      INTERESTED!!!!

    • klmh says:

      If Danielle hasn’t spilled the beans for money yet, from magazines or newspaper rags,I don’t think she will now. But would love to see it if you are able to get that interview.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        I have a theory about that. Two actually. Theory number one: she has no beans otherwise we’d all be eating baked beans til the cows came home. Theory number two: She has the beans, but is too much in love with JactheKinife to spill said beans. I still would love Kat to get that interview. Danielle, if there are beans, please spill them!!!

        • Kat from Ohio says:

          i tend to agree but i figured if i saw an opportunity i’d seize it, especially since she knows this blog has been relatively sympathetic to her (after publishing that blog last week) and we don’t really show favoritism to any housewife from NJ (honestly, we just hate them all right?)… I’d want her to know she could count on getting a fair representation of what she said. But I’ll see what happens.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            I do think she was super loyal to Jac. She was loyal to a fault which is why I think it hurt her so badly when everyone turned on her in such an ugly way. I also think she knows a lot about Jac and Ashley but because of her loyalty she never outed Jacqueline. She didn’t deserve the bullying she got during her time on Real Housewives. I hope her girls, who were ALWAYS so normal (respectful, and sweet with such good manners,..) are doing well. She showed herself to be a caring and attentive mother which is more than I can say for some of the other clowns on this show. She never insulted or belittled her girls or used them to make herself more sympathetic. She bragged a little bit. But she was proud of them and tried to showcase them at their best. The editing was geared to make her seem like some horrible monster…but a horrible monster would not have raised such sweet girls. Danielle has a strong and obvious desire to be accepted and loved; this show exploited that. I know she wasn’t perfect. I know she had a past. I know she over-reacted at times (to the rejection of the entire cast and blogosphere). But I have always sympathized with her.

          • dch60 says:

            I have heard that Danielle is in the middle of a bankruptcy. She is waiting until that is over and she can keep free and clear any money she makes from spilling those beans.

        • klmh says:

          Maybe, but someone mentioned her contract with Bravo and being limited to what she could talk about. When you read Alex McCord’s posts on NYHW, they have to do with the way things are set up by Bravo, but she doesn’t address anything else in detail. I haven’t heard any of the fired HW talk about their experiences. Would be interesting though, and if anyone were to do it, it would be Danielle, but I would take what she said with a grain of salt.

    • Kat from Ohio says:

      well, i sent her a DM so i guess we’ll see. I told her she could talk about whatever she wanted and that I’d be fair, which is all I could do. While she has certainly been sketchy, she was also dead on in her analysis of the group and of the REAL nature of the Manzos. Because she didn’t have any allies, that whole thread was lost in the Reunions and never went anywhere. I’m not exactly looking to see her trash or repeat rumors about the Manzos/Gorgas/Lauritas, but I’d like her take on the Fashion Show since production approached her. I would like to know what she thinks of Teresa’s comments on WWHL about feeling bad her role in the Danielle take down. What went on with Melissa’s facebook messages. And of course reflections on her experience on the show and its consequences for her. But again, that’s if she can/will agree, which is iffy.

  53. ladyballs says:

    the comment “i don’t like tre either but she’s being ganged up on by all the others” is exhausting. hitler was ganged up on, too. sometimes when one is ganged up on it’s been earned and is deserved.

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      I think it’s a little dramatic to compare her to Hitler don’t you?
      While its reasonable to think that many times when a bunch of are saying the same thing, then there is some truth to it…but it’s also just as reasonable to think they have a common goal.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      That’s quite a leap, ladyballs. I understand what you’re trying to say, but there is a blogger who would understandably be ALL OVER THAT one. Take it from someone who often crosses the line of good taste, not trying to hate. But that IS AN AWFULLY BIG LEAP. From Teresa Guidice to a demon like Hitler.

      • ladyballs says:

        i’m not being dramatic and i’m not saying tre is hitler. i said i don’t like the comment “teresa is no saint….i’m no fan of teresa….but the other women calling her on it is unfair.” because those comments make no sense to me. if she’s no saint and she’s the kind of “character” who has repelled fans of the show, then why is it such a tragedy for her “coworkers” to give her the treatment she’s earned?

        • Sasha says:

          I get it Ladyballs.

        • MamaZ says:

          Because it’s a double standard. It’s unfair. It’s hypocitical.
          I don’t see to many people who think it’s a tragedy. Just bulls**t.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Because the co-workers ALSO deserve it and are NOT getting it back. Let’s play FAIR here: if all of Teresa’s dirt and faults are going to be put on “Front Street,” then the OTHERS (who have JUST AS MUCH AS, IF NOT MORE, dirt than Teresa) need to receive the SAME treatment.

          The Manzo’s and the Laurita’s all seemed to LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Teresa….

          ….before she had a successful cookbook and managed to be the most successful out of the cast at using her platform to market herself and bring in money.

          So, BEFORE, she was LUCILLE BALL….and, NOW….she’s the ANTICHRIST?

          I’m sorry. It does not add up to me. JMHO.

    • Sasha says:

      I think she brought most of her issues on because of her own behavior. For the record I actually like Teresa. I have no issues with any of them.

  54. klmh says:

    A little humor for those of us who are and have friends that are getting a bit long in the tooth:

    To help save the economy, the Government will announce
    next month that the Immigration Department will start deporting
    seniors (instead of illegal’s) in order to lower Social Security
    and Medicare costs.

    Older people are easier to catch and will not remember
    how to get back home.

    I started to cry when I thought of you.

    Then it dawned on me … oh, shucks…I’ll see you on the bus!

  55. lady balls says:

    unless we’re hanging out with Jesus, we’re all hanging out with people who have faults, so the comment “tre’s bad but the rest are as bad or worse” is also wearing me out.

    tre is the one currently on the hot seat and she’s earned it.

  56. WindyCityWondering says:

    There is no one to like or hate in this crew. Bravo found a perfect storm of egos, hatred and jealousy and got a category 5 hurricane out of them. The RHNJ has been decimated. Ratings and sponsors’ revenue is all that matters at the end of the day.

  57. VV says:

    I think Bravo set Tre and Mel. They had Tre film with baldy (set up number one) even though Teresa left and did not engage. She had contact with the guy on film to be used at Bravo discretion. Baldy says hi to Mel (set up number 2) even though Mel didn’t engage the guy either then creepy guy says hi to Teresa to stir the pot. Why did Teresa talked to Mel in the bathroom because she knew Bravo had her on film talking to creepy baldy and wanted to come clean on film. Mel panicked because she knew something was up but jumped the gun and thinks Teresa set her up because the guy acted like he knew her. In comes Alky Jacky, with her texts and all hell brakes loose. Who texted Jac? Caroline, Lapband, Jac, Mel, Joey they all know as the texts were shown to them. Why don’t they set the record straight and say who did it. Why are they hiding the identity of this person.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I call producer intervention on this play. They were all invited to Allure to get their hair and make up done before the fashion show. IMHO, some were directed not to show up. Had they all shown up the casino would have gone down at the salon and there would have been nothing left for the PFS. Some blogs are saying the outdoor fight scene was shot twice and spliced – so again production didn’t have what they wanted. At this point the truth doesn’t really matter because the game is almost over. Now veiwers have to tune into the reunions with hopes they will finally find out what really happened. Odds on that? A million to one.

      • klmh says:

        I think Kim D. found out about this guy and informed Bravo, who lapped it up. Don’t think Bravo set it up though. It came from an insider NJ person who had an ax to grind. She was able to kill two birds with one stone. And yet T. is still her friend. T. is still clueless. Duh. Anyway, there has to be some dirt there, and since Kim D. is not a housewife member, she has the goods and could spill them with ease. jmo.

      • VV says:

        I’m reading PDKhair (twitter handle) the salon owner was a friend of Melissa when Mel was single. Don’t forget there’s a small scene for a few seconds where some girl claims she knew Melissa was a dancer and Tre walks away from the conversation. Apparently, this person brought some people Melissa knew before she was married.

      • lady balls says:

        i love the reunion shows, but i admit those shows never resolve anything or enlighten the viewer on the big issues of the season and it’s why i read these blogs. i get way more scoop on the blogs about these shows than i do watching the reunion. (for example, i still wanna know what happened on scary island.)

        the previews for the nj reunion appear to suggest more specific info will be covered than is typical, however, i’m not gonna bet the farm that after viewing all my questions will be satisfied.

        the thing i hate most is when andy says “well, we’re not gonna resolve this today…” ugh.

  58. MamaZ says:

    Hey Boobah, I thought Jimmy Kimmel was great last night. Best Emmy’s in a long time.

    • lady balls says:

      jimmy kimmel rules.

      • MamaZ says:

        A few reviews I read said the show was boring but I disagree. I thought Kimmel was really funny. Most of the dresses were ugly though.

        • lady balls says:

          i’ve got fashion police recording tonite. i can’t wait to watch it tomorrow!!!

          • MamaZ says:

            It was really a lot of boobs on parade. Tina Fay looked really nice for a change though.

            • lady balls says:

              inneresting…

              • Boobah says:

                Me too. Kimmel was really great. I haven’t read any reviews yet…interesting to hear they were negative. The dresses were not all that impressive, I agree. I didn’t love Heidi Klum’s hair either. The actress from Revenge, Emily VanCamp, had a beautiful bracelet…looked like a bow. I love award shows in general but they have become stale over the years. Kimmel brought the fun back.

  59. I’ve officially gone off the deep end with regard to the RH shows. I can no longer watch the RH franchise without doubting what I’m seeing. Thinking: was this filmed before or after the previous episode? Or questioning the editing of the shows now.
    I just can’t take the negativity on the shows, on twitter and in the blogs. It “seems” normally nice people have been led into being quite mean on twitter.
    REALLY? It’s a reality tv show and you’re tweeting hatred to some wife on the show like she even cares. They feed off the responses. I laughed as the Manzo’s tweeted good night messages and poked fun at what was said. They don’t care what people say. Remember we are FANS!
    I tweeted how to spot someone lying. Interesting to read the signs then watch the show. You all decide for yourselves.
    I’ve unfollowed almost everyone from bravo. I like Ramona and Bethenny. Brandi cracks me up so even though I’m not watching BH I like her tweets. I prefer positive tweets like Jaime Laurita’s to the crazy tweets of the fans of the shows. Rosie even had an exchange that made my jaw drop. Yeah I agreed with her when she said to someone I’m not naming “BTW if you notice I dont get involved with shit I dont know nothing about maybe you should do the same :)” Rosie has stood up for her sister when she felt she needed to, but clearly she wasn’t there to witness the fashion show debacle.
    I’m sad to think of how Lynn would be feeling about how the adults are acting on twitter and the blogs.
    Cathy Connor Thank You for sharing the info for Robert’s account and getting the itcanwait. com message on twitter so we could pledge too.
    Blessings,
    Diana

    • melthehound says:

      What I’m reading above PALES in comparison to some of what went on, especially on Mondays, when Lynn was here. I really don’t get why you continue to feel the need to scold the commenters for voicing their opinions about what they saw but, whatever….. No one is forced to read any of it.

      • You’re right MTH I’ll just keep it to myself. No need to voice my opinions here or force my opinions on others. So sorry to have interrupted your reading with my useless posts.

        • MamaZ says:

          DND – I thought you were mostly talking about Twitter and I didn’t get that you were scolding anyone here. I have to agree with you that Twitter seems awful. I know people used it to hurt Lynn on occasion. I don’t think your posts are useless.

        • melthehound says:

          I don’t think that’s what I said, DND, but if that’s what you read, so be it :|

  60. contessa says:

    Doing another test…does anyone see my avatar photo?

  61. klmh says:

    Changing the subject a bit, I hope Ramona gives it to ADiva’s nasty ass father. You go girl!

  62. cdnfillie58 says:

    LOL..I feel special when that happens to me ..

  63. contessa says:

    Tin Man, You were writing about Mego and the canoe ride…when Mr. Poison called her a bitch and was yelling at her big time.

  64. BB says:

    I’m blaming it on the Contessa. She looks guilty. Lol

  65. MamaZ says:

    Tin Man – LMAO

  66. Lady Chatterley says:

    Uh oh – the blog’s broke. I don’t think I can fix it, either.

  67. Lulu says:

    I have to wonder what would Simon Cowell say about Melissa and Luann’s vocal (see pitch perfect) talent???

    • PJ says:

      He would say stick to Six Flags.

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        He would give them a stern look as they were performing while he had a pen or a pencil stuck between his pursed lips.

        Once they were done, he would pause and say, “Ummm, Melissa (LuAnn), is it? Yes…Well, Melissa (LuAnn) the only word I can think of to describe what I just heard is….DREADFUL!! Yes, that’s it EXACTLY. That performance was ABSOLUTELY DREADFUL, and I am sorry that I wasted 3 minutes of my LIFE having to listen to it. Run along now, Love!”

        • Nancy says:

          Dextox,
          How are you?

          I think Simon would say…”What the bloddy hell was that?” lol

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            Yeah, I could see Simon saying THAT too. I ADORE Simon — always have.

            I’m doing a little better, but not quite 100% yet. Thanks so much for asking, Nancy. I may send you an E-mail in a few days about something my doc told me about which I’m not too sure (or confident). I just want a 2nd opinion. I’ll be watching more horrible women tonight on “Basketball Wives-L.A.” so I can do my blog. So, I won’t E-mail you tonight…but soon.

        • lizzle says:

          Detox in the house… woot! woot!

  68. Lady Chatterley says:

    Alrighty – are we all back where we’re supposed to be?

  69. ladyballs says:

    hello….

  70. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    I saw some people asking about NJBev-look for her tonight-she says she will be here to chat!!!

  71. Kats2 says:

    I’m pretty sure we’re all being played. The fact is this group is the biggest bunch of famewhores on Bravo. They know the game, they are getting coached and are bringing the drama to make the money with side BS projects. These cast of losers need this show, they need the money and they need the fame. They all have Bethenny fever. I don’t believe any of it and I don’t believe they all don’t talk. What because they say they don’t? Oh Please. There was way too much bad acting from all of them, too many unanswered questions, and as stated above it’s much to do about nothing. So you finally makeup one week and you’re at each others throat the next and not talking for the past year? Ok, sure. Which is it because one is not true. 80% chance or better the laugh is on the fans. The past 2 seasons of Jersey HW’s is a Bravo version of a sex tape to gain popularity. It’s planned, they think we’re stupid and spending time and energy on them any more is just sad.

    The only exception is Teresa is as stupid as she comes off and her husband is a loser. Those stripes have been the same since S1.

    • cusi77 says:

      “They all have Bethenny fever. I don’t believe any of it and I don’t believe they all don’t talk”

      I sooooo agree with you Kats2! “Bethenny fever” Lol! For the record: I am not a fan. I am a viewer!

  72. Donna says:

    I finally watched it, (after falling asleep about 10:15 last night) and took notes w/o cc’s, when I get a chance I’ll see if cc’s are other recorders.

  73. VV says:

    Don’t know if anybody saw this last night but The Fly tweeted”

    “Let’s see how this 1 fake ass blogger is going to spin this! #suckup You know who you are! Find another topic to get yourself credible!”
    7:48 PM – 23 Sep 12

    I think this idiot was talking about the 20 yr old blogger… (Purple/White)

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      He probably has the hots for her! The girl who runs that blog is GORGEOUS. She’s also an American of Middle Eastern descent (like Richie. So, they have that in common. He is GROSS-looking, and she is GORGEOUS. That they do NOT have in common).

  74. LaineyLainey says:

    Watching Wendy Williams now. Melissa is on a roll. She is so loving her solo appearance. Wendy said, “you have a nice music career”…. really? Kelly Rippa said the same. Really? I guess if you say it enough times…

    • VV says:

      Way wait a minute….. she sings at Six Flags? Is that considered a “nice music career”??!!!

      • Nancy says:

        She is making a fool out of herself and I say that as a professional musician.
        She has no talent what so ever.

        • Birdwoman says:

          Thank You Nancy!!! I am a Classically trained vocalist with a music degree. I am completely open minded about all styles of music and I completely agree with you. Melissa does not have any talent. :)

          • LaineyLainey says:

            THANK YOU GOD!!! and THANK YOU Birdwoman and Nancy…I keep asking myself….AM I CRAZY OVER HERE??? is something horribly wrong with my ears….? I’m the first to say she’s nice to look at. But a singer???!!! My ears thank you.

          • Birdwoman says:

            After being reminded about Luann’s singing on a rerun of NY today. I say she is actually more horrible than Melissa.

          • Nancy says:

            Birdwoman,
            Have you heard Jackie Evancho sing? I think I have just found a girlfriend for my husband. (He loves opera) I would love to hear you sing. :)

            • Birdwoman says:

              No, I have not heard her sing yet. Thank you! My voice is so out of shape right now! Currently I am a stay at home mom with two little ones. So I have not sung as much as I should have. However, I do sing in a local opera companies chorus which keeps me involved in the music world. Right now, I am rehearsing for La Boheme. The principals in this chorus have beautiful voices and are good actors. I am learning a lot by watching them work. :)

              • Nancy says:

                Birdwoman,
                Please listen to Jackie and let me know what you think. La Boheme is one of my favorites. BTW I’m a cellist. What do you think of Albie Boe? He sang in La Boheme
                a while back. Great to meet you. :)

  75. ATLnNYC09 says:

    As im watching this horrid show again, I finally figured it out. In the bathroom, Melissa says “I bartended for a week” but as the blogs (and her pay stubs reflect), she worked at Hookers for a year. So people are trying to figure out the truth. Maybe she bartended for a week and stripped for a year?

  76. Lady Chatterley says:
  77. The Tin Man says:

    [Blind Gossip] This popular reality show had to fire one of its producers because of a “conflict of interest”. The producer kept interfering in established storylines to set up one of the cast members to look bad. Why would the producer do that? Well, it’s not just because they personally didn’t like the cast member. It’s because they were having a affair with the cast member’s nemesis! The nemesis is desperate for fame and will do anything – anything – to boost her popularity and her own storylines. Even more startling is the fact that both the producer and the nemesis are women! Maybe they could introduce a lesbian affair storyline for her next season.

    Any ideas?

    • LaineyLainey says:

      I’ve never read anything about Tre playing for the other team. But there are stories out about her “nemesis” doing so – – -you’ve seen ‘em right? (the story(ies)

    • ATLnNYC09 says:

      Yep its Melissa and Cat Rodriguez. Joe Gorga was probably watching during their affair. Which is why I can totally believe that Melissa was a stripper. Is it still considered an affair if all three are involved? Maybe they have an open relationship?

  78. Winston says:

    Love the new RHBH commercial and the fact that Brandi is front and center! You know that is ruffling the feathers of quite a few cast members…HA!
    And maybe a certain someone on Twitter who went to rehab for twitter and bikini abuse!

  79. Not the right time says:

    I had an epiphany last night I believe Teresa would love her brother to divorce his wife so she could become important to him again bar anyone else & dependent on her.
    Jacqueline just seemed so fragile and broken dealing with her son’s situation and losing Teresa as a friend. She seems to be a friend until she can’t anymore.
    Kim D is a repulsive person as per her graceful not speech at the end of the parade.
    if she was in the show I would be forced to fast forward her bits as per Danielle.
    As a woman I can’t believe Teresa expected Melissa to confront a man on her own and when she found out her brother might be coming she wanted him gone not.

  80. ATLnNYC09 says:

    Im black and ive never seen a black woman that looked anything like Aviva.

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