Guidices Indicted by a Grand Jury / Real Housewives of Orange County

Guidices Indicted by a Grand Jury by NoMoreDrama

The indictment against the Guidices is for conspiracy to obtain fraudulent mortgages, and for doing it through the use of US Mail, or another interstate carrier – which escalates it up to a federal charge.  Grand Jury indictments are serious and they are in deep doo doo.  Here are some highlights of the charges, but you can read the full thing here. It starts with the loan application fraud charges to multiple banks:

  • In 2001 they submitted documentation (paystubs) that Teresa had been employed as an executive assistant for the last four years – with the monthly salary of around 3.700 per month.  She was unemployed at the time. They received the loan.
  • In 2004 they submitted a loan application that stated that Teresa owned her own business and drew a monthly salary of $14,700 – and had been doing that for 7 years.  She was unemployed.  They received the loan.
  • In 2005 two loan apps were submitted – again with Teresa owning a business – this time for 6 years.  They received the loan.  She was still unemployed.
  • In another loan app in 2005 they submitted falsified tax returns.  Again they received the loan for $800,000.
  • In 2006 another loan app with a fraudulent tax return.  This one gave Juicy a quarter million line of credit.
  • 2007 – another loan app with fraudulent tax returns and W-2’s – and another line of credit.
  • 2008 – another loan app for a construction loan – again with the fraudulent docs.  This time they got a loan for 1.7 million. This was repeated again in 2008 with another bank.

Then there is the bankruptcy fraud.  Basically, during the bankruptcy filing, they failed to disclose numerous accounts and businesses stemming back several years – both related to Teresa’s emerging branding, and Joe’s rentals.

They also took oaths that they declared all their assets – so there are charges for that as well.

And then there are a bunch of charges for not submitting tax returns.  This is ironic since they falsified tax returns to get mortgages.

That’s the gist of it.

This isn’t about paying off their debt – this is about fraud, and the feds have put together clear documentation of it happening over and over and over again.  This has nothing to do with Bravo or their cast mates.  This is all Juicy and Tree.  Well Juicy.  Who knows if Teresa understood what she was signing.  I have to remind myself that in this country you are innocent until proven guilty, but frankly, I’m disgusted.  I’m worn out by all the New Jersey cast members and their lawsuits and bankruptcies – but this is the first one that involves a grand jury and federal charges.  I know many of you are strong Tree supporters and I’m curious what you think, so I’ve put up a poll.

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Real Housewives of Orange County “An Immodest Proposal” by BB

(PS – I just heard from Stars and she’ll be back in action soon – NMD)

I have a confession to make.  Even though I’ve been blogging the Real Housewives of Orange County blogs, I haven’t watched every episode this season.  So if I happen to miss some nuance in this episode that is a holdover from something explained in a previous show, then I apologize in advance (and I’m sure someone will set me straight!).

OC (1)Lydia and Alexis are at Vicki’s to see her newly remodeled house.  There is nothing left that she and Donn bought together.  She’s decided she wants to have a party to celebrate.  She’s been inspired by their recent trip to Whistler so she’s going to have an outside Winter Wonderland themed party.  Lauri will NOT be invited.  Neither will Brooks (since he’s not welcomed there).  Lydia requests that Gretchen be invited but not Slade.  Lydia thinks Slade is OK until he opens his mouth.  Vicki tells them one of her friends has sent her a link from Slade’s radio show where he’s made some not so very nice comments about her.  They listen to it and Slade talks about someone from the show who’s not very well liked, who’s condescending and that someone made the comment “Tupperware Face,” referring to Vicki’s recent plastic surgery.  Vicki utters words like “dark,” “the devil,” “disgusting” and “filthy.”  Lydia says anytime Slade opens his mouth, he’s being a jerk.  Well, Vicki will be inviting Slade to her party because he’s rude, classless and he’s not getting away with it this time.  Can’t wait to hear screeching Vicki at her party because you know there’s going to be some screeching.

Terry comes home from work and greets his family.  He and Heather decide to tell the kids that they’ve sold the house and will be building another, you know because they didn’t plan for the youngest and the bedrooms are not correctly aligned the way anal Heather wants them to be.  Heather’s not sure how her oldest son is going to react since he likes order and routine (like her).  Terry gathers them around tells the kids they will be living with another family.  Ha, Ha!  The kids aren’t that excited about building a new house. They convince the kids they will love the new house and Terry asks them what they would want in the new house.  Nicky wants a bigger movie theater (the only they have now has 15 seats Heather wants us to know).  One of them wants a bigger pool.  Then they start getting silly and talking about jelly beans and chocolate.  How sweet! (Gag!)

Slade and DJ Kelly are in the radio station bantering back and forth.  Kelly plays the song Gretchen has recorded for Slade.  It’s the beginning of her engagement plan.  Slade asks “who is this, what is it?  Is that G?  What is this about?”  Slade starts getting verklempt when the song says “Marry Me ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!   Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!   Ahhhhhhhhhhh!.”  Slade wants to know if Gretchen’s there and what is going on.  Kelly tells him it’s a set up and he needs to go meet Gretchen and give her his answer.  Kelly gives him a tux to change into to go meet Gretchen.

Gretchen has set up a surprise party for Slade as part of her proposal.  Their closest friends and family have been invited.  Slade will be flown by helicopter and Gretchen will be waiting at the top of the building with engagement ring in hand.  Slade calls his mom while he’s in the limo and wants to know if she’s talked to Gretchen lately.  His mom plays dumb and says she doesn’t know anything.  Gretchen hasn’t invited any of the OC cast.  She wouldn’t invite Vicki because she’s never supported them as a couple.  She’s also on the outs with Tamra, Heather and Alexis.  In other words, she alienated everyone on the show.  At least she recognizes the fact and doesn’t invite them for drama purposes.  For that I thank her.

Gretchen’s parents show up while she’s getting her hair and makeup done in old Hollywood glam.  Not a fan of the dress, but to each her own. She starts whining to her mom about their struggles, her past relationship with Jeff, and how nervous she is about taking that next step.  Her mom tells her she’s made the decision and there’s no turning back.  Gretchen asks her mom if she loves Slade and if he’s the right man for the rest of her life.  It’s hard for her mom to say yes, but she is trying very hard to be supportive of her daughter.  She tells Gretchen “it takes two” and to remember that.  Don’t know if she was referring to Slade or Gretchen when she made that remark.

OC 1The helicopter arrives.  It’s taken them four years to get to that point and they been through hell to get there according to Gretchen.  Flashbacks to everyone telling her how wrong Slade is for her.  She apologizes to Slade for getting cold feet about his previous marriage proposals.  If Slade is her idea of perfect, she has set the bar pretty low.  She tells him he is her future, the father of her children.  She asks, “So what do you say, you want to do this?”  He gets down on one knee and tells her it would be an honor and a privilege to have her be his wife.  Gretchen is the woman of his dreams.  (He should know, he’s sampled many, several from the show even.)

OC 4Tamra is at her unfinished fitness studio getting ready for the pre-sale membership event.  I mean, it’s nowhere near ready, but they want to start selling memberships.  They are setting up for vendors.  They have fitness clothing without the company logo on them yet.  Alexis shows up to support them.  Tamra thinks it’s ironic that the last time Alexis was there, she kicked her out, now she’s welcoming her.

Meanwhile, back at the engagement party, Gretchen yells “He said yes.”  The crowd cheers.  Slade’s mom gives Gretchen a gift and welcomes her to the family.  Gavin, Slade’s son is there.  He tells them he’s very excited about it and excited about having a baby sibling.  Gretchen’s dad welcomes Slade to the family. (This is killing Gretchen’s parents.) Gretchen calls Slade’s brother Kent the “Swamp People version of Slade.”  Kent is not that handsome, I’ll admit, but something Slade and Gretchen have is common is they have no problem insulting other people.  They think if they laugh while they are doing it, it’s OK, because they are only joking – right?  Wrong! But they will be getting their comeuppance soon, very soon.

Back at Vicki’s they are preparing for the Winter Wonderland party that night.  Vicki is micro-managing the guys setting it up.  She wants no drama at her party.  She’s knows she’s only fooling herself because drama follows her everywhere.  Tamra is getting ready and Eddie tells her she looks good.  Tamra says Eddie lets her be her own woman (Trampy Tammy) whereas Simon used to try to tell her how to dress. (Translation:  Simon wanted her to dress age-appropriately and not look like a truck driver with tits.)

In their limo Gretchen tells Slade she looks pretty because she hasn’t had all kinds of crazy surgery.  I find it so ironic that her face isn’t moving while she is talking.  She looks so natural – NOT!  They decide not to tell anybody at the party about their engagement because they don’t want the happy moment to be spoiled.  Probably a smart move.

In their limo, Heather is upset with Gretchen but Terry is looking forward to seeing Slade.  Heather’s still hung up on the Malibu Country thing.

In their limo, Jim, Alexis, Lydia and Doug are discussing Slade’s issue about hurting others with his comments.  Lydia is going to try not to take anything Slade says personally because she has come to the conclusion that people usually make hurtful comments because they are hurting.  We’ll see how long Lydia’s sentiment lasts.

OC 2In their limo, Tamra tells Eddie she’s not looking forward to any conflict with Gretchen. They arrive and Tamra is seeing baby Troy for the very first time.  What a precious lump of baby!  Tamra says she’s done having babies.  She changes Troy’s diaper and it’s a messy one.  Vicki thinks it’s funny that Troy did what Nana (or Nonna?) asked him to do – pooped on Tamra.  Tamra gives Vicki a picture with a saying about true friends.  They hug it out.  They are friends for now.  How long it will last is anyone’s guess.

Tamra is shocked to see Jim at the party.  He usually makes a grand appearance then leaves.  Tamra says maybe she’s not the only one who’s changed.  Lydia thinks the party décor is (whisper) magical.

OC 3As all of them are sitting around, Vicky tells her friends she’s no longer going to hide Brooks (but she hasn’t told Brianna yet) and they are taking their relationship to the next level (not marriage)  We all know how that turns out.  Tamra warns Vicki about Brianna’s feelings and grudgingly supports her decision.  Tamra tells them she and Eddie have set their wedding date.  Then the conversation turns to Gretchen, who has yet to arrive.  Alexis tells the women about her and Gretchen’s lunch and how they didn’t work things out.  Tamra starts making comments about Gretchen.  Then Gretchen and Slade arrive and they all suddenly clam up.

Next Monday is the season finale and sparks will fly, of course.

On the promo for Watch What Happens Live, Andy says he and Gretchen will surely be talking about Slade’s brother Kent.  I will NOT be watching!

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In case you missed the show – Boston has a photo recap for you …

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Happy Birthday MarDrag

(I mistakenly thought it was her b-day a few days ago – but today is the day)

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About Veena (NMD)

NMD is the short cut for NoMoreDrama. In real life I'm a housewife who is heading off to an adventure of a lifetime - 7 months in Europe exploring cities, volcanoes, and glaciers. I also administer a blog for Reality TV called Lynn's Place. Lynn's Place is named after Lynn Hudson, a blogger who passed away at the age of 49, who made a tremendous impact on the world of Reality TV blogging. You can reach me through this email: nomoredrama8@gmail.com.
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738 Responses to Guidices Indicted by a Grand Jury / Real Housewives of Orange County

  1. Powell says:

    Good morning everyone. Happy Hump Day eve. I know I’m pushing it. :D I heard about Tre & Joe’s 35 charges on the radio this A.M. Oh well. We shall see what happens. Have a great day.

    • Laineylainey says:

      Hi powellicious! I had no Internet at work yesterday or today…the horror. I am home now, yay with trusty IPad. I feel like kissing ipaddy.

      NMD you wrote “I know many of you are strong Tree supporters and I’m curious what you think, so I’ve put up a poll”. The results of the poll, thus far are not surprising to me. Have you ever known a law breaker I.e, criminal? I can love someone, like them…but when their crimes are uncovered, it doesn’t make me hate them, but I can’t help but feel a bit relieved and vinicated that we resisted the temptation to be criminals. Why don’t thy resist? Like so many here, we pay and pay and pay and then pay some more for whatever we own, eat, enjoy…and it s sickening that so many people cheat, cheat, cheat and get away with it, and they probably consider the rest of us chumps. Or chimps. Or chimp chumps. I still actually like the Guidices more than the others on that show. I still love their kids! I don’t want this kind of fate to befall the others, I just hope they haven’t been involved in that kind of fraud and criminal activity. If they have,,,well, let the chips fall, right?

  2. TexasTart says:

    Happy Birthday Mardrag! Feels so deja vu ;-)

  3. Powell says:

    Happy Birthday MarDrag.

  4. TexasTart says:

    I am neutral on this at this stage and will continue to follow Teresa on Twitter. Teresa has not tweeted anything since the one I posted yesterday where she said she will plead not guilty today. This story has been covered by virtually every major media outlet. I wonder if their plan is a plea bargain of she is NG and Joe as guilty to help protect the kids. Not to minimize the severity if the charges, but I somehow I doubt jail time will go down.

    • Powell says:

      I doubt jail too TexasTart.

    • Rebecca says:

      Some of those charges will have to be dismissed. As anyone who files taxes knows, you shred all your financial records older than 7 years. There’s one piece of their defense.

      I wonder how much of the back debt Teresa paid off. If she was actually doing this, the judge would be more lenient. They would never be able to get another loan though, so I don’t know how Juicy would make a living.

      Was anyone else surprised that Juicy owned gas stations?

      • VV says:

        Giudice haters are loving this because is Teresa and Joe. IMO.

        • djprincessc says:

          I agree VV, I’ve seen a lot of comments not just here but on many other websites where people are getting sheer HAPPINESS from this! I mean damn! Getting pleasure outta other peoples misfortune is something I try to NEVER do because you never know if you might be in the VERY same situation one day. JMO.

          • Catseye says:

            I’m with you, dj. I don’t even watch the show, but I absolutely agree that I it’s never a good idea to gloat over anyone else’s misery.

    • T-Rex says:

      TT, I disagree, I talked to someone about the charges and while Teresa may not go to jail, Juicy is headed for 3 hots and a cot, I posted below as to probably why. The one thing they will not be able to plea is the US Mail charges, this is what makes this a Federal case. Because these folks are HIGH profile, the Feds will make a meal out of them. I saw below about the 7 years of records, the banks and the IRS keep your records more than that, I am sure that the full indictment included copies of every document those two criminals ever signed regarding all of this. They will probably lose their home and future earnings will be siphoned to pay the staggering bill the Government is going to saddle them with in fines. Those you can’t cram down in a bankruptcy either, they are exempt.

    • BB says:

      I think Juicy will try his best take the fall even if Tre is guilty also. He will definitely “go away” for awhile. Hopefully Teresa will not have to go away so she can take care of her kids and ageing parents. She of course will be paying a price, but not behind bars. I don’t claim to be an expert on the law, even though I once stayed in a Holiday Inn Express; just my own skewed view on the matter.

      • T-Rex says:

        BB, I too think that in the end Juicy will cut a deal for probably 2-5 years in Federal Prison, I am sure at that point his lawyers will cut a deal with the state to add some time to this sentence on the other criminal charges he faces. The fact is they are going to face probably hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines, the fines for just the IRS will be enormous, and then the fraud fines could take that up close to a million dollars, and they can’t get out of paying those, they will be taking a chunk of her Bravo paychecks and other income received by garnishing their wages until all of this is paid in full. I would venture to say that a plea deal will be made to keep this out of the courts. But I will say that again the Feds take a hard line on those that violate the bankruptcy rules, and then while investigating those charges, find all of this Fraud committed over 10 years, with a failure to pay IRS taxes on top of all that, and then charge them with the US Mail penalties, they are looking to bring them down in a hard way. I read the documents and had a friend read them, it’s not good.

        • designernailsdiana says:

          THIS is why I pay my taxes and file my returns on time. I don’t ever want the Feds to have a reason to target me. Now about the other skeletons in my closet??? They are safe for now lol

      • SoutheastVA says:

        Recently I’ve seen real celebrities for to jail for a lot less regarding tax evasion. Lauren Hill is doing serveral months for less than $2M.

    • VV says:

      T Tart. I think Juicy will.

  5. TexasTart says:

    NMD thanks for the blog. BB thanks for filling in for Stars!
    I’m gonna have to stay off here to get my work deadline met. Later y’all.

    • TexasTart says:

      Forgot to include Boston – very funny – and likely true! :lol:

      • cusi77 says:

        Thank you BB, NoMoreDrama and Boston!

        Well… I hope Justice will be served. They never thought in their children or their parents. I honestly don’t think that Teresa is completely innocent nor completely malicious. I was thinking all this time she was working hard to pay, at least, to the IRS!!!! This pain is self inflicted.., no doubt.

        • Amber...RealWife says:

          Agreed. It may not have been her idea, but she must’ve known what she was signing and definitely spent the money. It seems the bankruptcy was their downfall, and even paying off their debt, they opened the lid to Pandora’s box. Sorry, too much BB for me.

  6. Powell says:

    LOL Boston. Great laughs to start the day.

  7. T-Rex says:

    I said this would be coming down many moons ago, right after the Juicy’s filed their bankruptcy paperwork. We all dissected, grabbed information from to and fro, and realized that they had LIED LIED LIED in the bankruptcy documents. Now, do we think that Tre-dumbshiteforstayingwithJuicy knew what she was signing, probably not, HOWEVER, do I think she was aware that her criminal husband was doing under-handed business deals to defraud the banks for business loans, absofrigginlutely. You don’t fly under the radar paying cash if you have nothing to hide, she knew full well the game they were playing. So, is Juicy going to jail, absofrigginlutely! Committing Fraud federally gets you 3 hots and a cot at your local Federal Pen, if you noted on each of the indictments they include in each and every item the US Mail. The one thing that is going to really bite them is the US Mail charges, no getting around those, question will be what kind of prison time will Teresa face. The Feds don’t play, they relish at putting high profile folks in the Pen, a friend that works with the Feds say they “live for this Sh*te”. Now herein lies the question I have, there are many ways to mitigate your time in the Pen, by rolling over on folks to give the Feds a “bigger fish” so to speak, will Juicy finally give up is Mob contacts in order to save his ass? In addition, these folks are going to be broke, broke, broke. Even if they tried to file bankruptcy at this point, they would not be able to charge off any of the monies the courts are going to sock them with for penalties.

  8. VV says:

    I started watching NJ because Lynn’s blog was so negative about Teresa. I wanted to see what all the hate was about. I started watching S3 then played catch up. What I saw was everybody ganging up against Teresa and blaming Teresa for everything. So, I liked her and saw she was being vilified by cast mates due to envy.
    I still support Teresa. I hope she’s got a good attorney. I’m sure Juicy will take the brunt of all these. I think he is respondible and ignorant. I think they are small fish in this web of corruption and the IRS and FED should go after politicians and big money that actually harm more people than this couple. Don’t get me wrong, Juicy will pay his due to society and rightfully so. They took a risk, they got caught, they have to pay.

    • T-Rex says:

      VV, first thing these CRIMINALS did was try to not pay hard working folks that did work on their homes and businesses, her doctors for the plastic surgeries, and conception, the places they bought furniture and close from, etc. and have that go away by fraudulently filing for Chapter 7 bankruptcy, but had hidden a boatload of their assets, and lied about income to cheat hard working folks out of monies owed to them for their hard work. Please keep in mind that while they have paid some of their bills they are still deeply in debt. They deserve everything they get and more, sorry but these folks are the slime of slime for what they tried to do

      • VV says:

        They were investors, they took risks, sometimes it pays, sometimes it doesn’t work. I know people during the Construction boom that made lots of money then lost it all. That line of business NATIONWIDE is very corrupted. Illegals working, inflating figures. It is well known. How many of these people are still doing the same on a much bigger scale and are still free. Juicy will pay his debt to society.
        Tree and Juicy don’t have the smarts to complete Bankruptcy forms. I am sure their attorney did counsel them and told them to come clean. So, what happened? What advise were they given? That’s for the court to find out.

        • melthehound says:

          +10

        • Vegas Chick says:

          Investors??? They are charged with obtaining fraudulent loans with fraudulent documentation. The fact that it happened when banks were giving loans to anyone with an arm or a pinky doesn’t cut mustard. The fact is that they lied and have been now been caught lying 34 times. Arrogant Juicy thought he was made in NJ. I wonder if he knew the Feds were hot on his trail. DOJ must have been working on it for a long time. Bye, bye Guidices… don’t let the cell door hit you in the rear.

        • T-Rex says:

          VV, read the documents it’s bad they defrauded the banks to take out fraudulent loans, they were not merely Investors. Actually the Juicy’s lied to their bankruptcy attorneys about the hidden assets, which is why the bankruptcy had to be redacted, I remember that very clearly as I had sent Lynn the paperwork back then, I was able to access all the records through the courts, think it was about 75 pages at that time. Now, the Government doesn’t take too kindly to someone trying to discharge 11 million dollars of debt fraudulently, that is when the Feds got involved. In addition Juicy’s partner also charged both of them with fraud on one of the mortgages, and the Feds came swooping in, they discharged Teresa on only this mortgage, in addition, that’s not one of the mortgages in the current indictment, these are the others. Showing a pattern of deceit and fraud on a federal level is very bad.

        • kit9 says:

          They took risks? People who invest their OWN money, take risks. Teresa and Joe stole 5 million. And, it’s not about them having the ‘smarts’ to complete bankruptcy forms. It’s about lying through their teeth under oath on their bankruptcy forms. The both have the smarts to know they were lying.

        • sparklemuffy says:

          golf clap to VV….. I thought– through season 1 that all the cash throwing around came from Bravo. Is that true or were we just speculating back then?

        • iamgumboyaya says:

          Even if we give them the benefit of the doubt and say that ALL of the fraudulent mortgages were investments. Why the fraud to obtain the mortgages? Why not apply for the mortgages based on actual income? Why hide assets during the bankruptcy? Teresa was well aware of the fact that Fabulicious was earning income, she was getting paid and expecting a raise for her appearance on the show, and that she was receiving additional incomes from her books.These were all streams of income that were completely in HER name and had to be witnessed by lawyers when she signed off on them. Why commit perjury in a federal court?

        • Twinkle Toes says:

          You appear to be in denial and ignorant of the facts. Before defending people like this it’s always a good idea to find out what the facts are so that you can properly argue your point.

  9. NMH says:

    I agree with your comments above NMD, this is not about set ups or rumors by jealous cast mates, this is willfully cheating and lying and committing a crime all to live a certain lifestyle. While I have a feeling Teresa trusted her husband and signed blindly the documents, I have a hard time believing she may not have had an inkling something was up with the money coming in. Let me make it clear, I don’t hate Teresa. In fact I’d rather watch her than the rest of those toads on the show as she’s the most amusing, but to actually obtain loans that other more deserving people could have used (who by the way probably filled out paperwork honestly) is reprehensible. I’m also still annoyed when it came out he was also a slum landlord refusing to take care of issues of his tenants. So no I’m not surprised at all by this news. Juicy Joe is a walking talking stereotype of an Italian mobster.

    Thank The Lord OC is almost done. ;)

    • T-Rex says:

      Yep they were most certainly SCUM Lords, did Teresa know they were slum lords absofrigginlutely, do we all remember the “cleansy” issue she had and didn’t want to live where others had lived? She had been to those buildings, I am sure Juicy went there all the time to shake down the tenants for rent, you knew the deplorable condition of some of those buildings. Please, you can’t play dumb to that, they paid CASH for everything, why, so you don’t have a record of what you actually spent for someone to trace. She knew the deal and played along right with it, until they got CAUGHT. She will play the dumb, innocent wife who had NO IDEA her husband was a complete thug and criminal. Oh and let’s note the hiding of assets in order to file Chapter7 bankruptcy to get out of paying their bills to the hard working folks that helped build their home, supply it with furniture etc. These were small mom and pop business that live and die by their next job, it wasn’t just the banks.

      • Amanda says:

        They remind me of low brow Tony and Carmela Soprano. Carmela knew what Tony was and chose to be willfully ignorant. Same with Teresa and Joe. Sucks for their kids and the rest of their family. BTW not insinuating that Joe is mobbed up but all the talk about cash payments reminded me of the Sopranos….

    • melthehound says:

      I don’t think other people Not getting loans has anything to do with the Guidices getting them.

      • NMH says:

        I’m talking more in a general sense. I think it’s a shame that law-abiding citizens can have a hard time obtaining loans while they obtained theirs fraudulently. I know the Guidices had/have no part in who gets a loan or not. Sorry for the confusion.

        • melthehound says:

          I know the discussion is about loans and bank/wire/tax fraud but there are a lot of things that because of abuse, others don’t have access to we could extrapolate that argument to.

  10. LuvMyGals says:

    Schwoooooop! (That’s the sound of me getting sucked back in here, after having almost broken the RHW addiction.) I wanted to say first and foremost thank you so much to NMD, Mel, and all contributors for the outstanding blogs and uproarious comments. You all do make my day in so many ways. I’m so disgusted by the Guidices and realize that is, in fact, how so many “make it” – by scamming. So I won’t shed a tear for Teresa or Joe if they put them in a cell and lock them up. I will be only to glad to see the distress and shame they go through. Unfortunately no one can do anything to protect those children or parents, except some family member or friend at some meager level.. But what comfort can there be when your “family first” hypocritical parents have jeopardized your well being in such a low down dirty scumbag manner? I have a feeling this is how all of the NJ bunch operates at some level so I will enjoy every moment of watching them squirm. I’m betting BabyJoey (roid rage baby Joe – thanks MTH for that too-perfect nickname) I’m betting he picked up some tricks from his BIL, so I’m expecting some fallout there. (They should be so lucky to be savy enough to be operating with and protected by real Mafia.)

    Now the other thing that has me equally disgusted (I kid you not, equally disgusted) is the phony display of Ms. Wretchen and her loving fiance drippy Slave. What a pair! I thought her begging her mother for affirmation was pathetic. But then when she had the gaul to criticize her “lesser” BIL-to-be, she went on my all time bitch list (which has only 3 names on it.) Andy Cohen is next to her on the list. It has become so glaring to me recently that when someone is talking to Wretchen (Alexis trying to make amends, Tamra, anyone with a criticism or need), Wretch “listens” to them with a completely blank stare. She registers nothing. She’s somewhere far away planning her 80’s prom look for WWHL or Marilyn Monroe throwback look for engagement night. But it goes with her plastic mouth – so evocative of Marge Simpson’s sisters. So I’m sucked back in. I’m not expecting anyone to break through or register anything with Wretch. She and Slick are so far up one another’s arses that one just has to shake their head… such as mom and pop seem to be doing. The two of them spawning is another sickening thought, but that’s another reality of the world. I’ll find other things to do during their segments – unless Vicki, Lydia, or someone’s circling for a takedown.

    Thanks again to all of you for keeping things going.{{{{{{{{ Luv to you all}}}}}}}}

    • melthehound says:

      Stick around LoveMyGals… Nice seeing you here. Glad you enjoy the recaps and nicknames :)

  11. plainviewsue says:

    Happy Birthday again MarDrag!! Boston, OMG, hysterical on the pictures.

    Too much Gretchen in the episode. I know people who have botox saying they haven’t done any plastic surgery, but I am sorry. Gretchen is way too young to have a face like Joan Rivers. When they showed earlier clips, she was beautiful. Now she can’t even speak. I know it’s mean to say, but it’s like she has bells palsey. Her mouth moves to one side. I just don’t understand why women so young feel they have to ruin their face like this. I know Alexis is guilty as well. But Alexis’ inner beauty (yeah, I said it!) comes out.

    As for the Teresa and Joe situation, yeah it looks bad. I don’t pretend to understand the legality of it all. If it’s all true, then they need to be held accountable. From what I’ve read on twitter, a lot of people seem to think Joe will protect Teresa. I don’t know. I feel for her girls. I feel for her parents. And yes, I feel for Teresa. She probably wishes she trusted her gut and never joined the show. I hope her family and cast members are not relishing all of this, esp her brother. None of them are innocent.

    Just sad all around.

    • melthehound says:

      Happy Birthday MarDrag!! :D

    • lizzle says:

      I agree with all you said about Teresa and Joe. I was going to make a comment but I can’t do it better than you.

      Also… I totally agree about Gretchen. When she said that in the limo, my mouth dropped. What? I guess you don’t have to have plastic surgery to look plastic. But of course, disagree about Alexis and her inner beauty. BTW… she was on Property Envy and they dissed her bedroom… which was gaudy.. but that’s another show.

      It is good to see most of you that I haven’t seen in forever! Please stay after the Teresa fraud story dies down. The more, the merrier!

    • chismosa says:

      PVS– I don’t watch Wretchen and OC, but I have HEARD—- that many young women do the Botox/fillers thing to be PREVENTATIVE. Even getting it done in places where there is no visible wrinkle. This is what I have heard. I think it’s a thin thin line.

      Just thought I’d let you know…..

  12. Amalfi says:

    That is a good synopsis NMD. That is pretty vile, if true — and I truly like Teresa (the character) I see on TV.

    The worst of all of this is the taxes. Not filing is a HUGE deal. Despite all the murdering, it was tax evasion that put away Al Capone. Hope they get their girls get through this ok.

    • melthehound says:

      If they could have put the murders and other crimes at Capone’s feet, they certainly would have busted him for that. I agree though.. Filing, needs to be done. Even if you get it wrong. The IRS will correct and send a bill, or a check. You either pay the bill or prove why you shouldn’t or, cash the check. Simply don’t pay them, they will empty your bank account to get the money. Take your wages to get the money. Sue you to get the money.

  13. NMH says:

    OMG! I just saw a link on twitter regarding next week OC and Ryan goes off on Lydia’s mom, Lydia, and Vicki! That guy is a creep! He was plain nasty calling the women bitches, to F off, etc. That guy has some major anger and controlling issues. I’m a bit afraid for Briana’s future. http://now.bravotv.com/bnm2qz7e

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      He is a very angry man!!!! Seriously angry and quite rude!!

    • BB says:

      Ryan comes across as VERY arrogant to me. What gives him the right to act like he’s the man of that house? Is he paying the bills? I don’t think so.

    • jezzibel says:

      Cause & Effect, I’d like to see what caused him to have that effect, before we start calling him the devil. It could also be some of that well known Bravo manipulation of footage we have all come to know and distrust.

      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        He said himself that she disrespected “the house” and that’s why he was angry…it’s funny cause it ain’t his house!!!

        • Amalfi says:

          There is something off about him. Divorces his wife after cheating on her with Briana, gets married quickly, gives permission to be filmed/participate on a reality show, procreates just as quickly, active and willing participant in perpetuating the drama onscreen.

          Hmmm. What is with these women and their attraction for hangers-on. I appreciate that Ryan is a military man, but he is fishay fishay.

          • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

            Extremely FISHAY!!!

          • rabblerouser2010R says:

            From what I have read, he didn’t ‘cheat on his wife’ with Brianna. His now ex wife cheated on him while he was deployed. They separated on his return and divorced, Brianna wasn’t in the picture then.

        • jezzibel says:

          Since I don’t know him personally, but from the standpoint of one Marine to another, Deployments to combat zones are rough, and the pre-deployment is the worst part of it. There is a lot of stress involved(and given his MIL is high stress, he doesn’t want his MIL’s sleazy boyfriend around his wife and newborn son and all this is being filmed for a reality tv show ) then there is his training that will keep him and his fellow Marines alive, and that is high stress as well. He has more stress in his pre-deployment than most(I blew my top more than once during my pre-deployment).
          Funny thing is once you actually get in country its almost a relief( for the most part training and mission take over)loneliness and missing the people you love is a constant though.
          Pre-deployment when you have downtime you are trying to commit every sight and sound to memory to hold you through the next six months to a year.
          It might not be his house, but that is where the things he loves the most and does what he does to protect reside.

          • Jules says:

            We don’t know what really happened. I am thinking the flying high mom did say not so nice things when she was asked to take here feet off the sofa. Really who goes inside and takes their shoes off and put feet up on a strangers sofa. Party was outside. He is paying for the some of the house. Vicki even said that earlier in the seasons. That she needed their help paying the mortgage.

            • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

              I still think he was over the top on the whole thing-yelling at Vicky not to say anything-he needs to seriously chill!!!

          • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

            jezzibel-all the things you said makes me think “why the hell would he sign up for a reality show”?? If he is thinking the same way as you did then this is the last thing he should have agreed to do!!!

            • Amalfi says:

              Yepper. This.

              If he wants to protect what he loves most (I am assuming his son) don’t agree to have him be a storyline in a trashy housewives show.

              • Amalfi says:

                Also, give up living in the mansion and get your own place.

                I mean, seriously??

              • jezzibel says:

                Probably the money he and Brianna make from appearing on the show is probably more than he makes as part of his regular pay. Especially living in Cali. Remember people in the military get paid far less than minimum wage( and the stuff we get like clothing, food, health and dental is below standard of what civilians get) one of the Sgt’s I knew who was math smart figured it out that Sgts(E5) made $2.03 an hour, it goes down the lower your rank and up the higher your rank(I don’t know what Ryan’s rank is I thought a E4).
                No one in the Military does what they do in combat for the money or the glory( everyone has their reasons) but for most of us it love of this country.

                • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

                  I’m thinking he needs to change his mind and get off this show-if it’s added stress to him he needs to think about doing something else-seriously he is wound very tight and this can’t be helping. He comes off as mean and controlling-idk if that’s what he is really like or not but that’s what I’m seeing-he doesn’t HAVE to be on this show!

                  • Catseye says:

                    I’m with you Jill. And IF Lydia’s mom WAS rude and put her feet up on the new couch, all he had to do was make a stupid little joke and say “Vicki will have a fit if she sees you doing that,” laugh it off and forget it. His reaction was NOT the way you treat guests in your home. My God, it’s not like she was leaving self-tanner stains all over the place, ala Adrienne Maloof and acting like it was no big deal. What I found most disturbing was when Brianna tried to hug him, he yelled at her to keep her hands off of him. That guy really needs to think twice about his behavior.

                • Amalfi says:

                  I admire that he loves his country, but being in the military doesn’t make him immediately noble to me. I watch NCIS.

                  Just kidding. Thank you Ryan for your service. Now stop being a drama queen and take care of your kid and wife instead of leaving it to your mother in law whose lifestyle choices already bother you.

          • lori says:

            Very interesting perspective…thank you!!!

          • lizzle says:

            I agree Jezzibel. I feel like Ryan is affected by war. He goes off to fight and then comes back to Bravo cameras and manipulation. The amount of stress he feels most be enormous. Nobody can understand what it is like to be shot at and then come back to his new baby and bravo cameras. Soldiers used to take a boat home.. they had weeks to process what they have been through. These days, soldiers go from Iraqi desert to (in Ryan’s case) OC mansions within a few days. I don’t excuse his behavior, but I can definitely see where it comes from. He most definitely needs help… and I hope he isn’t too proud to go get it.

            • lizzle says:

              BTW… my boyfriend’s transition was very hard. He isn’t angry violent… he is very sweet… but his anger came out in other ways. Mostly self destructive ways. He got help (and continues to get help) and even though it took him 4 years… his life is back on track.

              • lizzle says:

                I know there are successful transition stories, but when every 65 seconds a Veteran commits suicide… you know it is a real problem.

                • jezzibel says:

                  I’m glad your boyfriend made it back and is has worked through the anger, I wish you and him continued success on the path.

              • jezzibel says:

                The military does go above and beyond trying to provide the people to talk to, when I came back I had 3 months of mandatory talk time 3x a week…I can’t say it did much good( I mistrust shrinks,) but I did talk to my family especially my grandad since he was a korean war vet and some of his friends were WWII vets talking to people that understood and didn’t judge helped the most but it was mostly the passage of time is what does the ultimate healing

                • lizzle says:

                  That’s great… I think continuous talking helps my boyfriend. He also had a gambling problem after he got back and his GA meetings are another therapy for him. He really is a social person… so all the talking is cathartic.

                  • jezzibel says:

                    one of my grandads friends was a Bataan Death March survivor, talking to him was the most helpful, if he could survive something like that and come through the otherside to have a family and a successful life and plenty of friends, then so could I, that and it put my experiences into perspective.

              • lori says:

                Good for your BF! It’s hard to work on ourselves so kudos to him for taking those steps!

              • chismosa says:

                Lizzle best of luck to your boyfriend.

            • jezzibel says:

              before I came back from Iraq,my next of kin had been notified, to expect changes in my attitude and not subject me to large parties or group gatherings and that we would possibly have adverse reactions to loud noises like fireworks..etc.

              • lizzle says:

                Geez jezzibel… that must have been extremely hard. I can’t put into words how much I appreciate the sacrifice that you and others in the military make.. it doesn’t end when deployment ends. And the VA is such a mess too… it is almost like you made it through hell and you have to come back to another kind of hell. Even though I talk about it… I have never experienced it first hand and it is probably harder than I can imagine. I know my boyfriend felt very lonely when he returned. He did many things that were not in his pre-war character.

          • Orson says:

            He’s a staff sergeant too, so he could be a squad leader or training up as a platoon sergeant. That means he’d be responsible for the LIVES of the Marines under him. So yes, that can be stressful.

            • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

              Here’s the thing-you guys with experience with the military are talking about regular human beings who get deployed and come back-Ryan is not among that group-I can say this b/c normal people do not sign up to be on these reality shows under the best of circumstances never mind signing up in Ryan’s position! He is not like you or the people you know-he wants to be a reality star…that’s not my idea of a normal person.
              When I read of your experience I feel like I’m reading a TRUE story but when I think about Ryan I’m thinking about another reality star wannabe-I know that sounds harsh but it is what it is.
              He looks like a lunatic on this show-maybe it’s a role he is playing-IDK but he makes me nervous and seems like he wants to show everyone he is the man of someone else’s house!

              • lizzle says:

                I get your perspective and don’t think you are wrong or not sensitive to the military. I don’t think there is any excuse for treating people like crap… but there might be a reason other than being inherently evil. His military background was what immediately popped up in my mind. Anyways… I hope he gets help.. because he most definitely needs it. And it is a bit frightening to see that much anger.

                • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

                  I don’t think he is inherently evil…just mean!!!!

                  • Catseye says:

                    I second that! And as he’s already been very disrespectful to Vicki, IN HER *OWN* HOME and now to an invited guest–ANOTHER FEMALE, it really makes me wonder. Why not direct some of that aggression towards Slade, who has been rude and insulting to his son’s grandmother???

            • rabblerouser2010R says:

              It could also explain his abruptness in dealing with Lydia’s mom. People who literally give critical orders , commands and direction for a living could have a hard time dealing with being ‘questioned’. about the instructions they give..

          • austin1963 says:

            If that’s what is causing him so much stress, then his wife and baby should move out of his MIL’s house. These are grown people who can set up their own home. It’s a problem of his/their own making.

            • lizzle says:

              I believe they did. Even while they were living there… they spent most of their time in the Palm desert per Vicky’s conversation with Brookes. So obviously, they took the appropriate steps even while living in their mistake. If I were to speculate, Ryan probably never wanted to live there but Brianna might have been scared because it was her first baby and her husband wasn’t going to be around. But regardless…Ryan’s anger is a separate issue to me and he needs to get help. Regardless of any situation he is in… he is extremely angry. That will not change no matter where he lives… until he gets help.

          • shamrockblonde says:

            thank you for your service Jezzibel – you are and always shall be a hero and in my prayers
            *hugs Jezzibel really hard*

          • rabblerouser2010R says:

            Hi Jezzibel, I love your post and you said it much better than I could have.

          • Superfly says:

            Thank you for your service Jezzibel. Ryan has been deployed before and may be dealing with PTSD so I am giving him a pass!

      • Laineylainey says:

        Oh jezzibel..you are wise…

    • lori says:

      I watched that too. It makes me nervous for Brianna. He clearly has issues and needs some help. I can imagine being upset someone put their feet on a new couch but that was so over the top and scary. Can you imagine what he’s like w/o cameras?

      • NMH says:

        There is never a good enough reason for a man to behave this way to a woman and vice versa. I don’t like to see a woman scream at a man either. I just couldn’t tolerate my partner behaving this way. It makes me nervous.

    • realhousewifeva says:

      I never liked him!

      • realhousewifeva says:

        Wow I just watched the clip and Brianna has a LOT of nerve judging Brooks when she is married to a psycho! I swear, the first time he was on the show I knew something was off about him. How dare he talk to anyone like that? Especially his elders? What a piece of shit

      • Iowagirl says:

        I always thought he was a control freak. He is very condescending when speaking to Vic. The thousand a month they pay probably covers here electric. I thought he was so rude when she asked him to check the beer fridg and he flat out said no. I would think that part of the arrangement was him helping with the guy stuff. He would have been out of my house long ago. He is holding his son as a threat against Vic, discusting.

  14. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    I really don’t have a lot to say about Teresa and Joe because I don’t really understand the legal jargon of the indictments-but I’m pretty sure that whatever is going on is their own fault and has nothing to do with anyone else. This is not a story line for a stupid reality show-this is some pretty serious scary stuff-and it doesn’t matter who else on the show is dirty or doing the same thing. The sad fact is it seems to me like prison is in the near future for Joe and possibly Teresa. I will continue to have empathy b/c the 4 girls will have to soon hear that Dad and maybe Mom are going away for a while-that’s sad to me but I understand people who say “tough sh*t”-its what they deserve. I’m torn between feeling sad for them and feeling like “tough sh*t” b/c we work hard to do everything on the up and up and others choose to do shady things!!

    In other news-REALLY Gretchen??? Who the hell wants to marry Slade????

  15. Amalfi says:

    I actually thought the scene with Heather her husband whatshisface and their kids was sweet. I truly feel like Heather would be the kind of parent who couldn’t be bothered with her kids because she always acts like she has a stick up her ass. But she is very sweet. Or an amazing actress – lol. Im gonna give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she loves her spawn.

    And as humble as it is not, I think she was the one who actually pointed out that she thought what they had was more than enough and didn’t want to go bigger on the theater or anything else. That bedroom drama… ridiculous, but at least they can afford it.

    • Jules says:

      Poor kid had a hard time acting his lines out.

      • Amalfi says:

        lol… if I told my dad to shut the whole the words come out of, I wouldn’t also be asking for a bigger pool and theater.

      • Catseye says:

        I agree. I noticed that every time he said something he stood up, too. (OH, but it was all so REAL and UNSTAGED, right?)

  16. Obsessed with RH says:

    I might be in the minority here but I can’t simply accept the fact that Teresa had no fault in this. I realize she is not the brightest bulb in the box but if my husband gave me $120,000.00 in CASH to pay for furniture even someone with a lobotomy would think that is a tad bit strange. She is not innocent in all of this. She is “less” guilty and just because she has four kids does not mean that she shouldn’t pay the piper as well. Her husband might have been the mastermind (and I use that term LOOSELY) but she went along with it and thus should suffer the consequences. The girls are the ones to lose in this but maybe she should have thought of that while she was buying Louboutins and Celine Bags and Mercedes toy Jeeps for her children. She shouldn’t get to skirt her punishment because she has four children. It might be harsh of me to say but that is the reality. Hopefully her family members can take care of those girls while she’s “away”

    • Vegas Chick says:

      You are not alone, and Teresa is in for a big wakeup call. She’s not in Bravoland anymore. It was funny that their attorney said that he looks forward to vindicating ‘her’ with no mention of them. I can just imagine the judge’s reaction to her defense which, of course, is going to include playing stoopid or acting like she doesn’t understand English. Andy Cohen is probably working on recasting NJ as I write.

      • melthehound says:

        The playing stoopid ought to work really well for her. According to many here, she Is and not just about this financial mess.

      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        I think they have different attorneys-so that may be why he said “her” and not “them”…but I could be wrong

      • lizzle says:

        Why would Andy recast? This is right up Bravo’s alley…. it is a real life soap opera.

        • Jules says:

          Recast. Give them their own show. That would be something to watch now.

          • Orson says:

            I think the nearest FCI that takes females is a Low Security facility in Danbury CN. Does anyone doubt someone is pitching “Real Housewives of Danbury FCI” to Bravo? That could be Teresa’s spin off.

    • lizzle says:

      I am not sure of the law… but for some reason I don’t believe that “not knowing you are committing a crime” is an excuse. So… if you commit a crime, you are responsible… whether you knew what you were doing might not matter. Of course, Juicy might say that he forged her signatures or got them fraudulently… that might be a different story.

      Honestly, who knows at this point.

      • justanothermary says:

        Ignorance of the law is never a defense. I’m a bit amazed when people who think Tre is smart enough to be hustling to pay her debt and writing cook books and running an empire are the same ones that think she is too stupid to know what Joe was doing. I’ve never thought Tre was very bright, but you would have to be an absolute moron to not know at least some of what was happening, and I don’t think Tre is a moron.

        There will be jail time. Even Martha Stewart (who was indicted on ONE count of fraud) did time. It would be much better for the girls if Tre is given house arrest, but that may be a problem as that house will probably be taken from them. I’ve worked as a paralegal for a lot of years and the one thing I know for sure is that, if the feds bring charges, they know what they’re doing and their conviction rate is over 90%. The feds also do not care that you have small children at home. Juicy and Tre should have thought about that while they were flaunting their lavish lifestyle across our ty screens.

        • T-Rex says:

          Agree with Mary, this is exactly what my friend told me. It may take the Feds a few years to compile their “war-chest” but once they indict, they have one of the BEST conviction records in the country and again they live for this kind of indictment, they don’t care if you have kids, aging parents, etc to take care of, their opinion is you should have thought about that before you committed the crimes. Yep there is no doubt jail time for someone will happen, now will it be both, who knows.

          • jezzibel says:

            you never want to screw with the feds and their money…they convicted Al Capone on Tax evasion..not murder or mayhem, but tax evasion.

            • lizzle says:

              I heard his story on Drunk History on the comedy channel. I love that show. According to the drunk guy telling the story… he was told he wouldn’t be charged so when he was…it was a surprise.

              • lizzle says:

                http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/zfk0wj/drunk-history-al-capone-was-a-syphilitic-moron

                Here is a segment of that show… it was mostly about how syphilis rotted Al Capone’s brain. If you have a problem with people getting wasted and telling stories.. don’t watch. Also, sometimes they throw up. I believe these people really know history, but they get drunk and tell it in a less scholarly manner.

                • jezzibel says:

                  I love history so I’ll definitely check it out. I watched the clip..thats f****ing hilarious

                  • lizzle says:

                    I just re-watched.. and I forgot that the show is really raunchy… no holds bar.. oops. Maybe I shouldn’t have posted the link. But anyway, jezzibel.. my favorite episode is Lincoln doing research for some other lawyers. There are a few Lincoln stories, but that is my favorite. The Al Capone one is probably the raunchiest… but so funny. It was an internet series before Comedy Central picked it up.

              • lizzle says:

                Unless nothing bothers you regarding the use of cursing and English slang…as well as slang for body parts.. don’t watch the clip below. It is about Al Capone and his syphilis.

                • lizzle says:

                  I meant above… oh well

                • jezzibel says:

                  I wonder if they will get some english historians sh**faced and cover world history..that would be epic!!

                  • lizzle says:

                    I would love that… especially in an English accent. They should just take the show to a pub near Oxford and get some great slightly inaccurate historical stories. BTW… it is on tonight at 10pm on Comedy Central. I can’t wait.

              • chismosa says:

                What the h is DRUNK History!?!??
                Like history told by Drunk Uncle (SNL)???
                Hahahaha!!! I’d watch that !

          • Twinkle Toes says:

            And why should the Feds care if you have kids and aging parents? Everyone has kids and aging parents and it’s up to them to consider those kids and parents when they engage in illicit activities.

        • Rebecca says:

          Martha Stewart went to prison for perjury, not fraud.

        • Laineylainey says:

          You are right JAM, and that’s why I am scared of the po-po, the Feds…I don’t want to have nuttin to do with them!

  17. melthehound says:

    http://realhousewifeofaiken.com/2013/07/29/joe-and-teresa-giudices-burst-bubble/

    A take from Empress on the Giudice situation.

    I don’t have a dog in this fight to be honest so, I’ll watch the show, and talk about what I see on the show.

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      I’m sticking with you Jeff-I don’t like to talk about things I don’t understand!!!!

      • BB says:

        I’m with you two. I’m not going to play armchair lawyer or judge because I have no clue who did what to who and who knew what when it was all going down. I just know someone broke the law and got caught. I’ll sit and watch the show and comment on what’s happening as it unfolds. Please share the popcorn.

        • lizzle says:

          You’re no fun! Just kidding. I’m with you… everyone has said time and time again that they are all frauds… way before this indictment… so nothing has changed for me. They are still all frauds and I can’t wait to see how it plays out on screen. That is why we are all here.

    • VV says:

      A crime was committed someone is going to jail. End of it. Good point.

    • melthehound says:

      One interesting thing I did Not know…

      NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — Two stars of the “Real Housewives of New Jersey” have been freed on $500,000 bond each amid fraud charges.

      Teresa Giudice (JOO’-dice) and her husband, Giuseppe “Joe” Giudice, appeared in federal court Tuesday morning.

      The Giudices are charged in a 39-count indictment with conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud, bank fraud, making false statements on loan applications and bankruptcy fraud.

      They both had to surrender their passports and can’t travel outside of New Jersey and New York. The husband could be deported to Italy if convicted because he’s not a U.S. citizen.

      Authorities say the couple submitted fraudulent mortgage and loan applications from 2001 to 2008, including fake tax returns and W-2s. Prosecutors allege Joe Giudice failed to file tax returns for the years 2004 through 2008.

      • Amalfi says:

        Holy crap.

      • Kansas Girl says:

        Oh! My!

        • Jules says:

          they could have a good life in Italy. lot’s of family and speak the language.

          • lizzle says:

            I actually want to move to Italy… but one thing that wouldn’t work out for them are the taxes there…. they are extremely high… in fact, that is probably where Juicy learned how to cheat the government because you almost have to do it in Italy to survive. I learned that in Economics so don’t shoot me if Italian tax code has changed in 8 years.

            • Orson says:

              I disagree about Joe learning that stuff in Italy. I think he was a young child when he came to the US of A.

              • lizzle says:

                I wasn’t really serious… I was just shooting off my mouth about Italian economics. US laws and tax codes are obviously different. And BTW… inflation rate is very high there because money is exchanged illegally. I do remember reading something about Italy cracking down. I think there are two fashion designers who are about to go to prison over in Italy.

                • chismosa says:

                  Um…. DOLCE AND GABBANA!!!!
                  How could you not know their names!!!!!

                  Gods!! Pure gods

            • chismosa says:

              Lizzle the economy is tanking there terribly —- don’t go there.

      • lizzle says:

        I would watch The Guidices Take Italy

      • Rebecca says:

        (joo-DEECH-eh)

      • Rebecca says:

        (joo-da-CHAY)

        • melthehound says:

          And yet, he pronounced it Joo-Dice when he introduced himself to Dr V on the show.

          • Amalfi says:

            I wasn’t born here and pronounced my maiden name differently than my parents did.

            It’s no big thing to me. I usually pronounce people’s names they way they call themselves. I also answer to mispronunciations of my name often … I only bother to correct people I know I will see often (new friends, potential work associates) or those who actually care enough to ask how it is pronounced.

            • melthehound says:

              It doesn’t matter to me how they pronounce it… People have mispronounced my name all my life… joo-da-CHAY, sounds more Italian though ;)

              • Amalfi says:

                LOL… that is true, Jeff. I guess being Italian really matters to these people, for sure. I can see why, especially if Juicy never bothered with being naturalized.

                If asked about my current hard to pronounce last name (it’s not Amalfi, by the way) I always said “my husband is German,” but he always corrects me and says he is American. lol..

                • melthehound says:

                  My 6 letter name ends with a vowel and most people, even though they can see it, always pronounce the wrong one. I just say whatever,…

                  • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

                    Jeff I have the easiest last name to pronounce…I thought!! I’m forever correcting people on the proper way to say it!!!

                    • chismosa says:

                      Please you all have it easy // try 12 letters.
                      Then give me a call

                      😋😋😋

                    • melthehound says:

                      Chismosa, I think the original name was 12 letters. It was changed when my grandparents were little because no one (here) could pronounce it. The original name is lost to time and dead relatives now though so, 6 it is ;) People still phuck it up ;)

      • realhousewifeva says:

        He`s not a citizen!? I think they should go to Italy

      • VV says:

        I thought he had dual citizenship. I think I remember on their trip to Italy Filomena pointing at the apartment where Joe was born from the street. I think Tre also mentioned he was born in Italy. However, I thought he had dual citizenship :/

    • lori says:

      I’m right there with you. I feel bad for the kids but no dog in the fight. My husband does our tax returns and when he’s done I just sign them. No double checking. I trust him and sign. I guess that’s not the smartest thing!

      • lizzle says:

        It wouldn’t hurt to look over them too.. but you know your husband better than me. My BF owed $1 a few years ago… you better believe he paid that $1… lol… otherwise that buck would probably be $1000 right now.

        • lori says:

          I trust my husband 100% but you’re right I should look them over and know what I’m signing…stupid not to. I should understand our finances more but, with taking care of the kids etc. I completely dropped the ball. So Joe and Teresa did “something” good they gave me a kick in the butt :)

          • lizzle says:

            It’s hard to do everything… especially when you are off display… lol. I use computer programs for taxes, but my life is very simple.

            • Amalfi says:

              I say look at them too… not because you don’t trust him, but because a lot of women are clueless when their husbands pass away (or maybe go away – Jersey style). Even if you don’t women who earn money from outside employment, should know where your money comes from, where it is and where it goes.

          • chismosa says:

            Fantastic premise for the new book.

            Get on that Heather!!!!

        • vilzvet says:

          I wonder if Teresa has any appearances she now has to cancel. No more Florida or Vegas for them!

          • melthehound says:

            I looked at her calender about a month ago to see if they were coming to the midwest… It’s pretty clear with a couple appearances. I suspect, she may be allowed, if she does it right and gets permission, to make prescheduled appearances.

      • Iowagirl says:

        We own our own business and I dont even understand our tax returns, I just sign and date at the bottom. A criminal justice major is not taught depreciation or asset appreciation. Sorry I am smart but clueless about anything in our tax returns other than dependents and mortgage write offs.

        • lizzle says:

          If my taxes were more complicated… there is no way I could do them or look over them. People go to school just to learn the tax code, so no way am I going to understand it all once a year.

          But, one thing I do know about depreciation of equipment tax break… is that you get a break but you do not have to update your equipment. So feel free to take your tax break for depreciation of equipment and spend it in France. Only in America.

          • Iowagirl says:

            Well I am going to Italy for 16 day in September, good to know. LOL.

            • lizzle says:

              Dang… I’m jealous… I have always wanted to go to Italy. I have never been there and want to move there. I have just heard great things about the people, the land and the food.

              • Iowagirl says:

                It’s my first trip to Italy, I am really excited. It’s very expensive so we are staying in several b&b’s. It should be interesting since most do not speak English. I want to spend my money on food a clothing and attractions, not 1000 dollar a night hotels. I also want to hit up a few antique stores.

                • Iowagirl says:

                  None of the b&b’s take credit cards, cash on check in only. That seems a telling thing given their current economic problems.

                  • Rebecca says:

                    One word will keep you out of travel – dove, pronounced “dough-vay”

                    It means where is.

                    It’s the only thing I ever insist on learning ahead before I travel to a foreign country.

                • lizzle says:

                  ive heard espresso is cheap. I would have two cappuccinos with toast everyday for breakfast! I am so jelly of you… but I will get there one day!

                • Laineylainey says:

                  Congrats Iowa girl!! We thought about going next year for our 40th. But decided to help LaineyGirl pay her school Loan! Not sure why I put an exclamation on that. Its not exciting…haha. God willing we’ll go for the 43rd anniversary if not sooner!

                • chismosa says:

                  Iowa many speak English there. Not sure if you are going to some very remote area where maybe they don’t but usually they do (as in most EU countries, it’s the language of commerce)

                  What a wonderful time of year to go!!!!
                  Have a wonderful time !!!

              • Twinkle Toes says:

                It’s an incredible country and the food is some of the very best in the world and, in fact, in the Western Hemisphere, it is the very best.

                • chismosa says:

                  Just want to mention that my mother’s native country is in the Western Hemisphere and is called the best cuisine in all of
                  that continent. So it should be in the running
                  for the hemisphere lol!!!

                  I personally find Italian food overrated but that’s just me. And I’ve been there 2x.

                  I think food is subjective.

            • rabblerouser2010R says:

              Iowagirl. Wow that sounds awesome. I would love to go there too but even if I had the money, it would probably be best if we waited until our kids were a bit older so they could appreciate the experience.

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        Lori, I do the exact same thing.

  18. VV says:

    In times if trouble, you always know who your true friends are.

    @dinamanzo: Kindness one purpose in this life is to help others… and if you can’t help them, at least don’t hurt them.

    Original Message:

    • VV says:

      Wrong Tweet. I meant this one:

      @dinamanzo: Keeping a friend in my prayers tonight…This too shall pass xo

      Original Message:

    • Amalfi says:

      Those two have always liked each other. SOmetimes a kind word amidst all the schadenfreude is like a life raft.

      • Noelle says:

        Amalfi,
        “Sometimes a kind word amidst all the schandenfreude is like a life raft.”
        I really like that statement, wise and true.

  19. trudie says:

    Happy, happy day MarDrag! May it be fabulous from beginning to end!!

  20. realhousewifeva says:

    I haven`t read all the comments yet, but I will say this, I am a `Tre Supporter` only when it comes to what is going on ON THE SHOW (regarding silly fighting with friends and family)…but reading all this SHIZ about their shady dealings, I definitely do NOT support that. I think ANYONE, regardless of who they are, should pay the price of their crime.
    As a person who lives a modest LEGAL lifestyle, I think it is disgusting that others get by living extravagantly by being crooks. I didn`t even know you can do half that stuff! My goodness, all that fake paperwork that got them loans? That is some serious balls someone has to do that!

    I also have a hard time believing that Teresa is innocent and had no idea what she was signing. You have to know when you are signing a W2 claiming employment! Especially if you are signing several of them over the course of years.

    I wondered how they kept their house and fancy lifestyle after the whole bankruptcy debacle a few years ago. I feel bad for their girls. I wonder who they will go to if Tre and Juicy do end up going to jail?

    I think it is only a matter of time that we will be hearing something similar against Chris and Jac, since there is rumblings already about their own shady dealings. I am really tired of the Jersey clan and all of their illegal activities, physical fighting, lewdness and living way beyond their means. We need to stop giving people like this a platform to glorify themselves and think they are above it all.

    I am SO curious to see how this will play out…

    • lizzle says:

      ITA… for me it IS about the show… that is why we are all here. All this subterfuge adds depth to the show.

      • HuskerHuny says:

        Kudos RHVA. I live within the law. My husband/employer have put documents in front of me that needed my signature, but I definitely knew what I was signing. Although Teresa is not the brightest color in the box, she’s not stupid. She knew what she was signing, with Joe’s encouragement I’m sure. She is no innocent bystander in this mess. If she pleads ignorance, I will explode!

        There are four innocent lives here and they are the only ones who deserve our sympathy. Can you imagine what Gia is going to hear from her friends or see on the tabs/mags? How can any parent put their children/family at risk by doing such unlawful things? Good parents don’t do that!

        If other castmembers of NJ are guilty of breaking the law as well, I hope they also will be brought forward to have their day in court and be held accountable. Laws are laws and should apply equally to all.

        Everyone is innocent until proven guilty by a jury or court of the land. This is just getting started and I’m sure there is more to come.

        • BB says:

          I think you’d better get ready to explode, HH, because I eggspect that’s exactly what Tre is going to do – plead ignorance. Whether she gets away with it is another can of beans.

        • realhousewifeva says:

          When all their bankruptcy stuff came out years ago, I didn`t really read too much about it so I just assumed they were living above their means, made some bad real estate purchases, etc…I really thought they were working hard to pay off the debt and get back on track. But reading all this new info, how they were lying about employment..failing to pay taxes, etc. Really awful.

          I know a family where the two brothers both have wives and children and they were living a fairly extravagant life with many businesses together. Suddenly they get arrested and all this info comes out of all these side illegal dealings they were doing that the government was secretly watching them for years before busting them. They had all their conversations recorded, tracked their movement, etc…and no one ever knew! I wonder if that is what happened with the Giudices.

        • chismosa says:

          Husker personally I feel so sad for Audrianna to have to grow up to hear her parents spent 12k to make her a boy.

          That is heartbreaking.

          And also, why didnt it work I must say …..

    • kit9 says:

      I think there is the possibility of them both going to prison, despite having kids. They both have parents and extended family. Joe has a sister and Teresa a brother. There’s no chance those kids are in threat of becoming wards of the state or something. And, I agree, its impossible Teresa simply signed things she didn’t understand. As you said, she repeatedly submitted forms claiming she held jobs that never existed. Also, this is Juicy. Nobody loves bragging about how smart they are more than Joe. I bet he was brazen and crowed about his bilking the bank and lending institutions loudly and proudly. “Dos idiots! We just made sh*t up and they bought it! ha ha ha! Frigging morons.”

      And, of course, she lied through her teeth during the bankruptcy depos. That was her, alone, answering questions about her income and assets. And, she lied, repeatedly. Can’t blame Joe and play ignorance for that. Finally, in the NY Times piece on the indictment yesterday, there was this gem.. “She was on “Celebrity Apprentice” in 2012, where, according to her Web site, she “showcased her business savvy.” Oops. She’s so business savvy yet doesn’t know what a W2 is?

      • melthehound says:

        I think there is the possibility of them both going to prison
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        That is the only thing that is certain – the possibility of both of them going to prison.

      • chismosa says:

        I watched her on CA and she was SO NOT savvy.

        She barely opened her mouth and was a shell of her HW show “persona”. Puh-leaze. And I love the Times!

    • Powell says:

      Mmmm hmmm realhousewifeva. I’m sure Tre didn’t know some of what Joe was doing but she absofrigginlutely(Thks T-Rex) knew about the w2s. She knew they meant she worked and received a salary. I’m sure the Govt will say just that to her.

    • Laineylainey says:

      Well said, rhova.

  21. Jules says:

    Release on $500,000 bond. no passports and have to stay in NY and NJ. Drug testing for non-citizen Joe.

  22. california35 says:

    So she really proposed to Slade? Wow ok, so thats what happened. I catched a bit of it while i was getting ready for bed. I didn’t see the whole episode or even a full section of it. I did see Slade going into an helicopter all dressed up. I saw her finishing getting all dressed up. I was thinking it cant be a wedding. Then i saw them together at some event. I was busy so didnt hear what she said. Either way wow! It fine, they finally are doing this, or at least having their moment. It just doesn’t seem real. Since it is On the show. It kind of reminded me of a last episode of one of the seasons when they both show up so dressed up and she was wearing white. She loves white (i do too), but she wear a lot of fancy white dresses that would be wedding dresses. For someone who says doesnt want to get married, it seemed weird.

    Captioning are great!!!

    Have a lovely day, everyone – long time no talk. Busy as usual.

    • Nancy says:

      Hi California. I’ve missed you.

    • Powell says:

      Hey Cali. I think Gretch go jealous of Tamra and now is hoping she can get a wedding spinoff. Why can’t Bravo be more original. BS wedding. Kim’s wedding. NeNe’s wedding. Now Tamra’s wedding. Crazy Joanna isn’t getting a spinoff wedding is she?

  23. AZGirl says:

    Good morning everyone. I have no comment on the charges. Wait and see what happens. Youse guys were so funny last night on the chat board. When First Born came into the room and saw Gretchen he was WOW what has she done to her face? Gretchen’s mom is such a natural beauty. She obviously is not happy with Slade.
    I can only imagine what Gretchen will look like in 20 years. Slade’s tears of joy were so becoming. He now has someone to bail his sorry ass out of debt. If they do walk down the aisle I give it a year.
    Good to see JustanotherMary and Dame posting again. Hope to see more from you both.

  24. We all knew this was coming. First the state’s case, next the Fed’s case and then the IRS coming in for what is owed to them. The process takes time and I doubt that it was never far from the Guidice’s minds that they needed to prepare for the worse and hope for the best.
    I do have sympathy for them from the standpoint that there are small children and elderly parents involved. I have admired Teresa’s focus and drive to become a successful business woman and is bring in the revenue. And I do believe that both her parents and Joe’s family are all there to support them both and will also do so in the future because family does take care of family with these folks.

    No way are the Guidices the only RHNJ cast members who have done shady stuff and have either been caught and are in the process of being investigated with charges to follow – the Lauritas can dodge, forget they used seized computers and wiped hard drives, postpone depositions, etc but eventually they will also be charged for how they chose to finance their lifestyle and IMHO, they will be in a lot more trouble than the Guidices. Wacky Jacky is named in the lawsuit as an owner, she also seems to forget you have to pay your taxes too. And I don’t see them being successful in any new revenue generating opportunities. Black water isn’t going to pay their bills and Chris has looked unhappy and stressed out for a long time now – and it isn’t all because of his nasty wife or daring son’s diagnosis.
    And does anyone doubt that the little Gorgas will be filing for bankruptcy soon? We know Albert also had a run in with the NJ Gov because of his residency “confusion” and that Richie got nailed for not paying for the fuel for his gas station.

    I get that some folks see making a living differently that others and that this particular group gets very creative and enjoys getting over on the man. They all hustle and they are proud of it! And we will all see how they handle themselves when it is their turn – and they will all get their turn!

    • VV says:

      Windy I think is best that we don’t point the finger at others ones. It bothers me more the federal government going after small fish when the big ones are still out there doing worst. Again, a crime was committed and someone will pay their dues to society, like they should.

      • Iowagirl says:

        I agree VV, I am not pointing fingers. I however would not be surprised if the goverment is already building cases against others. No names, just others.

        • T-Rex says:

          I would highly doubt that they would be looking at other folks from this cast. The reason the Feds got involved was that the Juicy’s lied on Government paperwork when they tried to file Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Chapter 7 is a very particular type of bankruptcy and you have to really prove that you are almost destitute to have this approved. The Juicy’s lied on paper and on the “record” in the courts, that is bad bad bad. So once the information came out about the hidden assets and the former partner of Juicy also filing fraud charges it set up a HUGE old red flag for the Feds. The Juicy’s attorneys had no choice but to redact the bankruptcy filing(another red flag). When you file bankruptcy you allow the government access to 100% of your monetary life, and with everything available at the click of a mouse, they can find out a lot. It’s taken the Feds almost 4 years to compile their case, I can assure you they have a lot more on these folks, but chose to indict on the charges that carry the most weight for fines and for a jail terms. There would be no reason for the Feds to be involved in the other cast members on this show unless they have gone to court and lied under oath, or did not file their taxes.

          • Nancy says:

            I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Jacq already has a date with the courts for assaulting
            some man with her shoe plus all the stuff that WCW posted above. That’s not small stuff.

            • T-Rex says:

              Nancy, two different jurisdictions. The Feds don’t give a hoot about local crimes, it’s not their area. The assault would be in a local county criminal court. Not even a blip on the Feds radar. Bankruptcy is placed in the FEDERAL courts, so providing false information and lying under oath becomes a FEDERAL matter. Federal crimes carry higher penalties and fines for non-violent offenses than do the criminal or civil jurisdictional courts. It’s the reason you never want them to be looking into your life if you committed a crime!

          • melthehound says:

            T-Rex, whether you file bankruptcy or not, the government HAS 100% access to your financial life. What you don’t want to do, is give them a reason to look.

            • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

              AMEN Jeff!!!!

            • T-Rex says:

              Aahh true, but by filing Bankruptcy you formally allow them to have 100% access, they don’t need a warrant or go to a court to require you to give them access, big difference. Once in court they don’t have to prove how they acquired the information, whether the information was obtained legally, etc.

  25. What I find so strange is Joe was participating in this activity all the way back to 2002 (I am not gonna say it was Tre…I think she was more of the loyal housewife who signed everything put in front of her). He agreed to participate in this show thinking that NONE of this would come out??? As soon as these people sign up for these shows they have a spotlight on everything in their lives. Tre paying cash for ridiculously large purchases was like wearing a target on your back. I always find the arrogance of these types of guys to be so amazing. I think he really does believe he is above the law and consequence. In the field of Behavioral Health, this might be considered Narcissistic: “The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder revolve around a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and sense of entitlement. Often individuals feel overly important and will exaggerate achievements and will accept, and often demand, praise and admiration despite worthy achievements. They may be overwhelmed with fantasies involving unlimited success, power, love, or beauty and feel that they can only be understood by others who are, like them, superior in some aspect of life.
    There is a sense of entitlement, of being more deserving than others based solely on their superiority. These symptoms, however, are a result of an underlying sense of inferiority and are often seen as overcompensation. Because of this, they are often envious and even angry of others who have more, receive more respect or attention, or otherwise steal away the spotlight.” (DSM IV) It is interesting how many of these big politicians and celebrities that get caught up in scandals and act as though nothing can touch them (Um, Anthony Weiner, I am talking about you!)
    Anyhoo…I am most surprised that DonCaro would want to have anything to do with the Juicy family with all this stink following them. The Manzo’s have enough trouble with the umbrella of “organized crime” over there head. As was said before, you hang around garbage, you start to stink!
    Just my two cents!

  26. austin1963 says:

    Recommended reading for Teresa: Orange is the New Black. Good book on how a middle class woman’s decade-old one-time drug-trafficking crime caught up with her unexpectedly and she had to spend time in the federal pen. It was not “Club Fed”, either.

    • melthehound says:

      It’s a pretty good show too… I have serious doubts though that the inmates in a real lockdown would be allowed to pretty much come and go (within the prison) as they please.

      • LavaLady says:

        I agree, Mel, they seem to wander around a lot, with lots of free time. I don’t care though, I absolutely love this show.

      • austin1963 says:

        I loved the book. I have watched all 13 episodes of the show and was glad to see the author consulting on the series. As much as I can recall, there is some freedom to move around within the prison/prison grounds from what the author wrote. It depends on what prison, what level of security (maximum, minimum, etc.). The worst thing the author went through was when she had to go to Chicago while still in custody to testify against someone else who was involved in the same crime she was, whom she had never even met, but it was part of her plea bargain. Con Air ain’t no joke! Sounded like hell.

  27. justanothermary says:

    I just watched the TMZ video of Tre and Juicy leaving the courthouse. I actually felt sorry for them. Who knew I had it in me? I just kept thinking that there is no way that those girls aren’t hearing about this.

    • Powell says:

      Hey JAM. Miss you. I hope you’ve been well & enjoying your summer.

      • justanothermary says:

        Thanks Powell. I am well and loving the summer. So good to see you! I’ve been lurking the whole time, but am feeling well enough to join in these days.

  28. princesspindy says:

    I really don’t have much to say, I just found a picture that I wanted to put in a Gravatar…..I will say that when my friend called me yesterday and said, “have you been online” I was in my own little world of Princess Pindy Pool Time and could not guess the right NJHW and just had to say “Just tell me!!!’ I was shocked, cuz I have really bad short term memory and guessed everyone else and realized that Joe and Tre were the LAST people……(My first guess was the Lauritas, they may be next ALLEGEDLY) You don’t phuck with the Feds!!

  29. Amalfi says:

    I just mentioned at the tail end of yesterdays blog that the Giudice story made GMA… and I did a double take when my local midday news also had a little blurb about it. Geographic note… I live no where near Jersey.

    Those two are probably scared to death. Or should be. I would be. Best of luck.. would not wish this on anyone.

  30. jeang says:

    Well I got to say, if Jogo,Mego,bitter clown and her liter, and jacdaniels and fishy etc are doing their happy dancing now they better think again, cause if Teresa goes to jail, who will want to watch these Yahoos on NHNJ. I personally think all of them are looking over their shoulders at some kind of criminal charges in the future. I think its strange that the entire Manzo clan has basically abandoned the real moneymaker Big Al and the Brownstone . Just thinking something is going down there. Fyi, after being diagnosed with non hodgkins lymphoma back in Dec, I have completed my 8 chemo treatments and now will be checked periodically. As for now, there is no further activity regarding that cancer. Just waiting on my hair to grow out. God is so good to me and has been all my life. I have often wondered over the years, why, especially when so many others have really unfortunate lives and circumstances. I mean I have faced the heart attack and bypass surgery back in 2009, larry, my husbands death in 2009 also. Other family deaths etc as well, but I managed even in my darkest hours to always be grateful and amazed to have that faith and love of my Lord.

  31. realhousewifeva says:

    Gretchen`s stupid proposal is just so phony to me. They go so far out of their way for a storyline, it is so ridiculous. Who payed for that helicopter while Slade`s son has medical debt up the wazoo? Those two really make me sick and I hope they don`t get the wedding spinoff they are so desperately hoping for….but unfortunately Andy loves himself some Slade so I bet they will get exactly what they wanted. I think THAT is what really pissed Tamra off about Gretchen…trying to steal Tamra`s wedding thunder.

    If you read Tamra`s twitter timeline, you can tell she is bitter about it and says they call Gretchen out about trying to upstage Tamra on the reunion.

    • Amalfi says:

      Gretchen is a birdbrain but Tamra is a bitter bitter old cow.

    • Sus says:

      I know. I have the same thoughts. I was sick when he gave the Rolls to Gretchen. I’m not saying he has to live like a pauper but it’s sickening. Bravo probably paid but that doesn’t matter. It’s none of my business and he is divorced from the mom but I can’t help but wonder why he isn’t in New York or where ever the kid is while being treated. I’m sorry but his 1 hour a day on the radio probably doesn’t even pay for the gas to get to the studio and back. Obviously, I have no idea what is going on, maybe he’s seeing his son all the time off cam. I hope so.

      The two of them make me gag. Add the very sick son and I just can’t with them.

      I’ll never forget Gretch prancing around the kitchen in her little shorts outfit the day the ring came in the mail. It was positively grotesque. The greed in her eyes was sick. I’ve been on both sides. You don’t open a gift like that on camera instead of taking it to the sick person so he can watch you open it. That ring had nothing to do with Jeff. It was all about Gretch. This HW memory is burned in my mind just like Simon from RHONY you know whating when Alex gave birth. I need a lobotomy to remove these memories.

      • realhousewifeva says:

        LOL @ the Simon reference…GAG!
        Slade`s radio gig lasted about 6 months before the station got sold and he lost his job…he is STILL trying to shop it somewhere else. Ever since the show aired, he hasn`t been on the radio but he keeps it in his twitter bio like he is currently on. He is such a joke.

        I can`t stand Gretchen and Slade ever since I have followed Grayson`s mom on FB and her life quite literally revolves around the 24 hour care of her son. Not showing up to say hi to her son between appearances in Vegas and other silly night clubs and whatnot..

    • HuskerHuny says:

      Gretchen looks like she’s in her 50s trying to look 30 and it’s just not working girlie!

      And Vicki’s dress at her party? I thought it was a winter theme, not a hooker theme. The dress was too tight, too short and too revealing for a woman of her age. Hot mess there Vicki. Do a bit more mirror time before you get before another camera and invest in some supporting undergarments.

      Now let’s talk about Gretchen wearing her white bath robe to Vicki’s party. I think it’s the same robe she wore to Gretchen’s party last season. I like that she’s wearing something more than once, but it’s more appropriate in the bathroom, but it would still be ugly.

      Making fun of Slade’s brother at the engagement party was so not nice. Yeah, I get it, he’s not a fashionista. But does that give Gretchen the right to call him names? Take a big long look in the mirror Gretch-baby – I’ve got some names for you as well. Shame on you!

      Just trying to bring it back to the OC for a bit and as usual, they didn’t disappoint. Slade is still disgusting and the entire engagement to-do was quite nauseating. Wedding, children, bankruptcy and divorce to follow! Sounds like a great spin-off!

      • HuskerHuny says:

        Not Gretchen’s party – Heather’s party – sorry!

        And while I’m at it, Heather and her new house – so pretentious!

      • Mrs Peabody says:

        I want to know what was wrong with her lips while her and Alexis were having their sitdown lunch, did she just have them puffed up or was it her makeup that made them look all puffed up?

  32. Powell says:

    To bad Vicki couldn’t say “Lauri is not invited & if Bravo invites her I’m suing them.”. LOL.

  33. AZGirl says:

    I know I posted upthread that I was not going to comment on Juicy and Teresa’s Fed charges BUT he,he,he,…..
    Looking at the timeline of when the loans applications were submitted it was the beginning of the 6 years of real estate boom. I am guessing that Juicy was applying for the loans knowing that the market was very hot, build specs, sell them and pay off the loan and make a huge profit in a very short period of time. Greed is a terrible thing.

  34. Sus says:

    I have some questions.
    Will we see Joe &Teresa on Lockup?
    Will Teresa’s next cookbook be “Prisbulicious!” or “The Skinny Prisoner”
    Will the 4 Guidice girls move in with Joey and Melissa?
    Will there be film of the girls living with Joey and Melissa?
    Will Joey and Melissa schlep the girls for prison visits?
    Will there be film of collect calls to Gia’s iPhone?

  35. Powell says:

    LOL this is funny. You all remember 2 seasons ago I guess they had the season end party at a restaurant & Gretchen cane in all white & so was Slade & someone said “I bet they are announcin they’re engaged”. HA! They are gonna announce it at Vicki’s party & she’s gonna be pissed.

  36. I LOVE COFFEE says:

    Hello, I’ve been gone for a while.

    I’m sorry but TRE plays stupid when it’s convenient for her. I can hear her tell people she didn’t know what a W-2 form was.

    I can see her crying in court because of her children. They didn’t think about them when they were breaking the law.

    They thought they were smart and wouldn’t get caught. That’s a different STUPID.

  37. Lulu says:

    Hello everyone!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARDRAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Gwretchen got hit with the ugly stick! That is one ugly women. Someone needs to tell her to quit going to the plastic surgeon cause he’s laughing all the way to the bank with that mess. With the “tupperware” comment did Slade take a good look at Gwretchen and see what we see??? This episode was lame I could give two uknowwhats about Gwretchen and Slade. I question her reasoning why all of a sudden she decides to get engages now. Pretty sad IMO. I don’t know the exact analogy but “the pack always sniffs out the weak one.”

  38. Powell says:

    LOL at “ironic” NMD. And I am sick to death of this group & their friendship gifts. Yuck. They know none of them can stand each other, excluding Lydia.

    Did anyone see TMZ last night? They were talking to NeNe. Her wedding planner us suing her for $2.5 mill saying NeNe never paid her. NeNe said the lady got her check & she doesn’t owe her a dime. TBC I suppose. :-)

    • Iowagirl says:

      Well maybe she can get divorced and Greg will take the debt. Then he can declare bankruptcy again and then buy another 16ct ring. You know the circle of life thing they do.

  39. Nancy says:

    I haven’t read the blog yet so not sure if this has been posted or not by Joe Giudice is
    NOT an American. I wonder if he could get deported? They had to surrender their passports
    today and cannot leave NJ/NY. Joe looked scared walking into court but not Teresa.

    • BB says:

      Yes, it’s been posted and yes, he can definitely be deported.

      • Nancy says:

        I’m surprised about that as he’s married to an American. Those poor little girls. :(

        • melthehound says:

          Aren’t you married to an American? Isn’t there some sort of renewable visa involved with staying here, and working? Serious questions, I’m not asking to be mean or anything like that. Joe has been here since he was a kid (I think) so somehow that marriage thing may work differently for people in that group rather than someone who just came here and got married.

          • Wasn’t Tre also born in Italy? I think it is odd that he has been in the country this long and has never filed for Citizenship…hmmmm….

          • You have to renew your “Permanent Resident” card (otherwise known as green card) every 10 years. There is a fee every time (of course), and a color photo (which has to show one of your ear lobes, so it’s in half-profile) and fingerprint are on your card. It does not renew automatically, nor does it matter if you are married to an American citizen or not. Or have children born here. And yes, your status as “permanent resident” may be revoked and you may be deported if you break the law and are convicted. If convicted, one has to serve the time before deportation happens.

            • melthehound says:

              If convicted, one has to serve the time before deportation happens.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
              I figured that much. Even if they deport Joe, they aren’t going to let him live free in Italy before he does his time here. There’s a reason they take the passports. I wonder if he will continue his reality career with ‘beyond scared straight’.

            • melthehound says:

              I knew about the renewal requirement but Nancy’s comment had to do with being married to an American. I asked the question I did, of her, because I believe, like Joe, she has been here since childhood. I thought I read that one day anyway.

              • Got it, Jeff. :-)
                A new “child citizen act” was passed in 2000.
                >>On February 27, 2001, the Child Citizenship Act of 2000 becomes effective. The aim of this law, which, among other things, amends Section 320 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), is to facilitate the automatic acquisition of U.S. citizenship for both biological and adopted children of U.S. citizens who are born abroad and who do not acquire U.S. citizenship at birth. We are pleased to note that, because of this law, U.S. citizenship will be conferred automatically upon thousands of children currently in the United States.Requirements

                The following are the Act’s requirements:
                1. At least one parent of the child is a U.S. citizen, either by birth or naturalization.
                2. The child is under the age of 18.
                3. The child must be residing in the United States in the legal and physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent after having been lawfully admitted into this country as an immigrant for lawful permanent residence.
                4. If the child has been adopted, the adoption must be final.<>Q: Are the Act”s provisions retroactive in applicability?

                A: No. Individuals who are 18 years of age or older on February 27, 2001, will not be able to take advantage of the Act.<<

                More here: http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_826.html

  40. Butters'Mom says:

    I’ve disliked Juicy almost from the beginning but mostly during and after the bankrupcy stuff. I also believe T new about it all and was probably used to that type of scam living because she grew up that way. In many connected or even loosely connected families that is the way it is and you don’t think twice about it. This is why I could never understand why most of the people here seemed to be Team Guidice. A criminal is a criminal is a criminal and the Guidice family are criminals. All that was missing was being found guilty by the courts…which will now happen. I feel bad for their girls but believe both are guilty and should do time for it. Sorry never liked them, never will.

    • Twinkle Toes says:

      I find both Teresa and Joe, and everyone in the NJ cast, to be pretty sketchy people with questionable values and, agree with you that they deserves everything that hopefully is coming at them. They’ve cheated every single taxpaying U.S. citizen and anyone who continues to support them should be questioning why they continue to support T & J.

      • toodybird says:

        A punk is a punk is a punk. Note: This is not an original phrase but has been lifted from the season 1 RHONJ.

  41. djprincessc says:

    Not sure if this has already been posted since I haven’t read the comments yet, but the paparazzi is INSANE!! I know a lot don’t agree with my view but I do feel sorry for them. How does one let this happen and get so outta control? But mostly I feel sorry for the girls. I wonder what they’ve been told if anything?

    http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/30/teresa-giudice-surrender-released-on-500k-bond/

    • Nancy says:

      TMZ such a classy place.

    • realhousewifeva says:

      Wow! Seriously, you would think they were A-List celebrities with all those paps and the amount of attention they are getting!

      • djprincessc says:

        I know!!! Its too much!!! You know that even though this a horrible situation Melissa is probably like “UUUGGHHHHHH Joooeeeeeee I wanna have that many paparazzi following ussss!!! Not your idiot sister!!”

        LOL.

    • HuskerHuny says:

      If you love the paparazzi when you’re on top, then you have to put up with them as well when things turn downward. Nature of the beast.

      • djprincessc says:

        I didn’t mean it in that way! I meant that I was shocked at all the paparazzi. I’ve never seen so many after them before! lol.

  42. rabblerouser2010R says:

    Good morning all…
    Am wrong in thinking that regardless of what our personal opinion on the Teresa and Joe being indited, that just the mere act of putting a US postal stamp on the envelope as opposed to using Fed Ex is what up-ed the ante as far as the severity of the charges and sentencing?

    Also, does anyone know if Joey Go has expressed any support for his sister? I didn’t notice anything on his twitter…and it looked like he and Melissa were looking forward to spending the day at the beach but I am wondering if that was before the indictment came down.

  43. AZGirl says:

    Juicy tried to slap a camera guy on the way into the courtroom this a.m. He needs to check that temper because this is just the beginning.

    • vilzvet says:

      OMG those reporters’ ignored questions were rather entertaining: “Is the car leased or owned?” “What are you wearing, Teresa?”

      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        I didn’t see him slap anyone but if it were me cameras would have up their….

      • Nancy says:

        Of course TMZ was right up there. Did you see Teresa and Joe kiss right in from of all the reporters? It was sort of funny.

    • chismosa says:

      Filomena did too

      That’s where Milania got that sparkling personality.

  44. shamrockblonde says:

    what on earth was Vicki wearing last night? a giant ace bandage? that was awful – as for Gretch – how much auto tune was used on that song? the one that was played for Slimey was a far cry of the one that we were subjected to when she was in the recording booth – my heart goes out to her parents – – I wonder how Slimey’s Mother will feel when she sees Gretch’s comments about her other son – those two deserve each other –

    as for NJ – my prayers are with the children, as right now, I see no safe haven for them should both Tre and Joe end up in jail – other than that, I will wait and see how it all plays out – wonder what Andy is thinking about all of this -

  45. AZGirl says:

    I just finished reading the indictment. I am with Rebecca on her post yesterday regarding who was underwriting these loans? The last two loans were for $1.7 mil each. Don’t they check with the IRS?? What about the bank accounts that were listed? What about their credit score?

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      Part of the reason so many banks needed bail out money and mortgage lenders went under is because they didn’t properly qualify borrowers- then when the bubble burst and everyone ended up upside down..the walls came crashing down.

      Now its like it’s moved to the other side of the spectrum, where they are moving quickly to foreclose on people that would have qualified for re-financing. Here in CA a lot of “investors” are sweeping with all cash offers and turning the house into rentals until things pick back up.

      • AZGirl says:

        Yes you are right. Lenders were going crazy. Clients of ours who were builders were approved for 10mil-15mil on parcels of raw land to develop. Market dropped 35% here in 6 weeks. They all filed bankruptcy due the appraisals needed for the construction loans were so low.
        What I don’t understand is what were the loans for? His stucco business? Spec homes? Why would they need two 1.7mil loans?
        The bankruptcy fraud really pisses me off. They hurt the hard working people who never got paid.

        • Rebecca says:

          we have all kinds of checks and balances at our company! There’s a company to verify every piece of information. If someone had slapped them down once, maybe they wouldn’t have tried to get away with it over and over again.

        • Rebecca says:

          I think one of those loans was for building Casa de Guidice.

  46. cathy connor says:

    Happy Birthday MarDrag

  47. Nancy says:

    Re: mental health and the military. I worked at Letterman Army Hospital in San Fran when I
    first moved up there in 1990 and started dating a Hem/Onc doc. (Cancer) Soon after that we went to war in Iraq. There was such a need of Mental Health doc’s over there they were sending anyone (including the man I was dating) with a MD after their name. He would send me letters that broke my heart. He said it was crazy that a Hem/Onc doc was basically pretending he was a Psychiatrist. This country needs to put Mental Health or lack of on the front burners. (IMHO)

    • Laineylainey says:

      Amen! Not to mention the multitude who suffer the effects from serious head injuries. It’s really sad, our vets and their families are just not getting the attention they need.

  48. rabblerouser2010R says:

    I stopped watching RHOC this season but it happened to be on in back ground last night.

    Gretchen singing did my head in….and her and Slade gross me out.

    • melthehound says:

      The Hound DARED me to turn on RHOC last night ;) It was on last week and let’s just say, he ain’t happy. Actually, I didn’t want to watch, I just use him as an excuse ;)

  49. VV says:

    I asked PVS on the Chat last night if she’s heard anything on Twitter about Monica Chacon. She never replied. Today ROL has this….

    Vindication For Lawyer Who Uncovered Giudice Fraud Years Ago: ‘It Does Feel Good’ To See Them Indicted, She Declares | Radar Online: http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/vindication-for-lawyer-who-uncovered-teresa-joe-giudice-fraud-rhonj/#.UfgPb1Ks0Cs.twitter

    My post yesterday:

    http://lynnfam.com/2013/07/29/lets-chat-real-housewives-of-orange-county-12/comment-page-1/#comment-139695

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      Monica Chacon better worry about her own client-he was Joes partner after all!!

    • plainviewsue says:

      Sorry VV. Didn’t see your post. There was a bunch of stuff today from that witch Kim G. Disgusting tweets about how justice prevails & crap like that.

      • melthehound says:

        Maybe someone could take up a collection and pay some of Joe’s ‘connections’ to visit the Grannytel…. I hated that bitch at first sight when she was playing go between with Jacalope and Danielle.

  50. Amber...RealWife says:

    Hello all, great blog today. For real!!

    I’ve been gone dealing with family issues and also obsessing on BigBrother… US & UK.

    About the Guidices, i’m not a fan because of the bankruptcy filing. Whether one steals big or steals little doesn’t matter because both are still a thief. HOWEVER… there is a code… honor amongst thieves and when they decided to fraudulently file for bankruptcy and swindle small business contractors out of thousands of dollars I found that to be despicable. A bank or credit card co.,will be fine as they’re insured and will recoup their losses thru insurance and raising the rates on their other clients. But a small mom & pop business loses everything when not paid what is owned as they can’t pay their bills, employees etc leaving them in financial straits.. To think that this current debacle was set in motion when they decided to cheat their creditors….KARMA.

    Also while Tre may not be able to correctly pronounce or even spell ‘ingredients’ she sure as hell had the mental ability/business acumen to sign phony W-2’s and spend the money. That said I hope she avoids jail time and JizzyJoe takes the rap. It’s the least he can do as the mastermind and purveyor of all the criminal phuckery they’re embroiled in.

  51. djprincessc says:

    You have to remember that at that time the banks were loaning money to anyone, at that time there was stated income and nobody cared. Thats why all these people lost their homes because they were buying what they couldn’t afford. Now its the complete opposite, the bank wants to know where every little penny comes from and a lot of times they want you to get cross qualified with their bank as well, even though you are using your own bank. I’ve had clients that have made small deposits of $20 and $40 dollars where the bank wants to know why and where it’s coming from. I am not excusing the Gudices bc I don’t agree with the whole well they were approving me so I’ll take it mentality but they are definitely not a rare case. They just took out bigger loans and got super messy with everything else.

    I just wonder what is REALLY true and why they let it get SOOOOO outta hand. Also I don’t understand why people (not here I don’t think but on other websites) are saying that of course they were stealing because Teresa in season one was buying 100k furniture all cash. But didn’t when they file for bankruptcy and then drop the bankruptcy case and agree to work off their debts erase that?? Like if she was using money that wasn’t really “theirs” and then later agreed to pay back all the debt years later, what does her spending that money at that time matter? Thats already done right?? I don’t know how to explain what I am asking so that it makes sense. lol.

    • chismosa says:

      I get what you’re asking in the last paragraph DJ
      Totally

      I thought it was all paid off too —–

      • chismosa says:

        Plus the marinara sauce should help really pay it off —- the old stuff you mentioned —-
        🍝🍝🍝

      • djprincessc says:

        Right?!?!?! Thats why I’m like what does it matter what happened in 2001 or before the show started?? I’m lost!!

        • T-Rex says:

          DJ, the alleged fraud started in 2001 and continued into 2009, the second season of the show when they filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. They lied, according to the indictment, on many of their bankruptcy claims, and under oath in a Federal Court. Their attorneys in 2010 had to redact the bankruptcy filing since there were assets and income that were not included in the bankruptcy. This was done “with prejudice” meaning they could not file again for I believe 2 years. The Juicy’s claimed in public tabloids they would make restitution to the parties involved, they have not done so, and I believe are being sued in the civil courts. Note when you file bankruptcy and you owe a large financial institution millions of dollars they have a team of lawyers who are going to do everything in their power to dig up any dirt financially on you, they work at that point hand in hand with the courts to try and prove you shouldn’t be allowed to file Chapter 7. When the banks found all of those fraudulent(allegedly) backup that was used to obtain those forms, I am sure they couldn’t have been on the phones fast enough to the Feds to report them. So for the last almost 3 1/2 years the Feds have been slowly and meticulously compiling their information to formerly indict the Juicy’s in Federal court. They process takes so much time because the Feds do it “right” they get everything lined up and on point, it’s the reason of their more than 90% conviction rates.

          • TexasTart says:

            T-Rex, that is an excellent brief summary to explain how it got to where it’s at now.

  52. TexasTart says:

    The RHOM have been flooding my twitter feed promoting the return of their show next month. Don’t they realize if they would start an argument they could get the attention they want?! ;-) lol

    Kyle Richards of RHOBH will be on “Whose Line Is It Anyway” on the CW Network 8/7c tonight.

    • chismosa says:

      Hi Texas! I’m sure that something will come out with Lea fighting – at least we know with Adriana
      Hopefully Ana fights her too. Can’t stand Lea!
      And I can’t wait to see Adriana’s wedding no matter what a fast one she thinks she’s pulling. That dress looks the epitome of elegance !

      • TexasTart says:

        I guess we’ll tune in and find out, but I didn’t see Adriana and Lea’s friendship surviving the reunion. And I suspect Ana left before there was a fight…so curious about why Ana left. And curious why they did not add a housewive. They lost KarenT (thankfully!!!) along with changing Ana and Marysol to guest appearances only. Come to think of it, they will still have 5 housewives and that works…it’s all NJ has had for a while.

        • chismosa says:

          Andy seems to love Alexia so I’m glad she’s back full time.

          I really can’t wait for the show. I know many here don’t watch it

          Thanks for keeping us up to date with the tweets

  53. Iowagirl says:

    I think they must have pissed off the wrong people.

    • Iowagirl says:

      This was in reply to djprincessc

      • djprincessc says:

        I agree Iowagirl, someone had it out for them and blew the lid off this. We will see what happens.

        • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

          I’m not sure that is true-I think they got the ball rolling on themselves-but now that Monica Chacon is chiming in perhaps Joes partner was able to get out of his troubles by turning on them? Who knows…I surely do not!!!

          • djprincessc says:

            I don’t really know either Jill but if it comes out later that they had enemies or someone had been watching them to finally get them I wouldn’t be surprised. I felt that way with Martha Stewart and even with Paula Deen, they’ve done/did shady things and pissed off the wrong people and it blew up in their faces!!

          • VV says:

            I’m inclined to think somebody tipped the FEDs. Maybe Chavon was upset about her reputation. The FEDs were determine to find something and had to go back 10 years. They seemed like such small fish. It’s Jersey after all. You don’t PO the wrong people.
            Didn’t Caroline say Al would destroy Joe last season? I think she did. (Saw that on Twitter)

            • VV says:

              *let me clear. I don’t think she did.

            • Nancy says:

              Yes she did!

            • plainviewsue says:

              Yes she did VV. It was either Al would or will destroy Joe. Things that make you go ummmmmm.

              • Noelle says:

                “My husband will destroy you!!!” Don Manzo said to Juicy the last night they were in Cali, last season. Coeinkidink??? who knows.

                • nyc mama says:

                  I doubt it. This investigation has been going on long before that statement. T may have lots of fans but both she and Joe have many people in NJ and beyond who don’t like them including law enforcement so it could be anyone or no one. They did this to themselves and have no one else to blame..

            • chismosa says:

              Stupid Al really wields that power …..
              I mean maybe ? But ehhhhhh —– he seems like all bark. Nothing to back up.

              I can be wrong !

            • djprincessc says:

              I thought she meant PHYSICALLY destroy Joe?? Like in a fight?? No? Eh. Who knows!! I am really cracking up with all these Chismosa names!!! On Sailor Moon there was Chibi Chibi!! LOL.

              • windycitywondering2 says:

                OMG! I thought of Sailor Moon when autocorrect did chinamoon! My phone now thinks I am French and since when does “when” autocorrect to “Chen”?

                • Noelle says:

                  What is Sailor Moon?
                  Oh Mz. French?
                  (I’m still trying to figure what the hell “chinamoon” means??? ;))

                  • djprincessc says:

                    Hi Noelle!! Missed you too!!! Sailor Moon is a japanese anime cartoon its about a girl who doesn’t know shes a princess and she fights evil! Shes the main character and there are other sailor soldiers that are all named after the planets! And there’s Tuxedo Mask (swwwooooonn) who is her boyfriend!! I loved that cartoon growing up! Hell, I’d stay in bed all day eating ice cream watching it now if they showed it!! LOL! :)

              • Noelle says:

                Hey dj,
                Missed you. xo

  54. djprincessc says:

    Oh and btw back to WWHL last night with Gretchen on it, I could NOT watch it!!! That B*tch and her cackle laugh the whole friggin time!!!!! Why does she think she needs to laugh afar every word?!?!?!?!? That trick is sooooooo annoying! She reminds me of one of those girls who thinks I am soooooo cute all I have to do is smile and laugh and everyone will love me. *PUKE*

    • djprincessc says:

      **after**

    • TexasTart says:

      Hi DJP, so annoying I can’t believe I stayed with the show. She laughed at everything, like a teenage girl trying to get the attention of a particular boy in the room. She does cackle and did it so damn loud during the Amy Phillips segment (she did Heather Dubrow) that I could not hear it all. I still can NOT believe Gretchen is wearing Jeff’s engagement ring on one hand and Slimey’s on the other – for some reason I find that disturbing. And did you see how she was dressed? JumpTheShark nailed that last night by asking if Fredricks of Hollywood dressed her – LOL!

      • djprincessc says:

        YES YES AND YES!!!! I couldn’t hear anything either!! Isn’t she in her mid to late 30’s in 28 and I don’t act like that!! I don’t get the whole Jeff ring thing either?? I think she tries to hard to SHOW that she really loved him. I didn’t pay attention to what she was wearing, I saw the first 10 min then I just had to mute it!!! LOL.

    • HuskerHuny says:

      I hate that awful laugh as well. Most of all because she’s not funny, she’s not cute and she’s not entertaining!

  55. nyc mama says:

    Hi everyone…
    I hope you are all well. I decided to go Bravo free once the RHBH ended since I don’t watch OC and didn’t want to watch NJ this year. I didn’t want to get into the vortex of the crapfest but saw yesterday all the reports about Teresa and Joe. I can’t say I am surprised.

    I just saw the local NYC news and they reported that Joe “sped away in his Porsche”. Is he driving again?

    I am not surprised about this although saddened for his children. This is serious and even if he is convicted on one count either Federal or local he can be deported and the chance is very high.

    I don’t believe that T knew nothing, although she may not have known all. She is not bright but she is clever and she driven and always was to be wealthy. It is hard to forget the scene where he took her to one of their buildings and she wouldn’t even consider living in it, and it was one of the new ones, and the spending scenes and her boastfulness, the over the top parties, etc. She is still responsible for her own actions and that includes being aware so she may very well face a conviction on something, there is so many counts against them right now.

    I also remember a poster on Lynn’s blog (who shall remain nameless) who posted often about her proudly “helping” the prosecution during the first bankruptcy. I don’t think the Lauritas or any of the others who people have implied helped this in any way. They did this to themselves by pure arrogance and flaunting everything. Even the lawyers stated that they usually go after high profile people and Teresa kept her profile out there. That said it is all very sad for those children who, especially Gia, will be taunted and shamed.

    I think the girls will go with the Giudice’s including Shelia and Pete with help from the Gorga’s. Whether you like Melissa or not I think she knows how much Milania needs her daughter now and even with the animosity I don’t think Joey is enjoying this and will do what he can. All just guesses based on the little I know.

    Thanks for letting me vent since no one I know watches this crapfest and wouldn’t know what I was talking about.

    Again, it has been a while and hope you are all well!

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      Hey mama-I’ve been missing you-hope you are well!!!

      • nyc mama says:

        Thanks Jill!! thought of you while I was gone but was afraid to come back and get sucked into the mess of NJ. It was pure self preservation. :) I’m great. Hope you and your family are as well!!

        Looks like T’s antics did, in fact, suck me back in, here I am. *sigh*

      • HuskerHuny says:

        I think we can all agree that if the children should have to be placed with family, that both Joe and Melissa would welcome them with open arms and love them like their own. Now, how Teresa and Joe might feel about that is another story. I would hope that the four girls could stay together if they are not in the care of their parents. Sooooo sad.

        • Amalfi says:

          Melissa and Joey would probably welcome them, but I think it would be hard (read:impossible) for me to live with an aunt and uncle who openly and publicly hated my parents, even if they felt bad for them now and had improved their relationship. .

    • TexasTart says:

      Howdy, NYCmama, nice to hear from you! :-D

      • nyc mama says:

        Hey Texas!! *waving* Thanks!!

        I have been out of the loop so can anyone tell m if Joe is permitted to drive again? If so then it is no big deal but if not, then our local (NYC) news filmed him driving out of the driveway of his mcmansion in his Porsche. So if he isn’t supposed to drive then what was he thinking?

        • Powell says:

          I think he’s been permitted to drive for a while.

          • nyc mama says:

            Thanks. I didn’t know and was hoping he wasn’t giving the authorities an FU by driving out of his driveway with all the TV news cameras filming him. But it was Joe so who knows? As I said I have stayed away from all things RHNJ until this broke, It was hard not to notice since it’s everywhere.

        • chismosa says:

          Yes NYCM — we’ve seen him, this season behind the wheel. It was jarring at first lol!

          🚘🚘

    • chismosa says:

      Hi NYC mama— you’ve got some good company if they’re smart enough to not watch NJ!!

      You made all very good points. I’d be shocked if Gia doesn’t get taunted already though. It’s been years since Andy has put her modeling thing on display (lol) all the time on WWH.

      Nice to see you—

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      Hi Mama, good see you.

    • Laineylainey says:

      Hi nycmama! Great comment!

  56. Iowagirl says:

    That’s an. Amazing story.

  57. Powell says:

    Damn Tre & Joe. Ya’ll are national news. I’m watching HLN & they are showing them going to court w/all the media outlets in tow. Tre gives Joe a kiss. Tsk, tsk, tsk. We shall see.

  58. TexasTart says:

    I love this show…why so late..oh how Bravo mistreats us.

    • Rebecca says:

      I’ll be watching!

    • Amalfi says:

      That is an excellent show. I love how Jeff and whatishername from Million Dollar Designers hate everything that noname Brandi likes. lol… when they had Ryan from MDLNY on I loved it. This is show is pretty fun.

      • chismosa says:

        Did you catch all the anti-gay jokes Ryan was making to Jeff? That was awful! WHAT is his problem!!!

        Jeff said he never got along with that realtor girl—- where did they get her???? He said then she sent him a case of vodka so then he started to like her

  59. boston02127 says:

    Happy Birthday MarDrag! :)

  60. JustDee says:

    I know I haven’t been posting in the last several months but I wanted to be sure to pop in today to say……….

    HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARDRAG!!!!!!
    XOXOXOXOXO!!!!! :lol:

  61. KTinCT says:

    Happy Birthday MarDrag :)

  62. Powell says:

    Vilzvet you are so right about how ridic Heather is about not having enough room in that 15,000 sf house. I could live there w/a few aunts, uncles & cousins & never see them. Esp w/all the amenities in that house.

    • vilzvet says:

      Looks like the new house is in full swing, you can see the progress on the Bravo page I think. She even posted the plans from what I recall. Guess we can assume there is that precious extra bedroom!

  63. AZGirl says:

    I just finished watching the clips for next week’s OC finale. Ryan needs to check before he wrecks it. That is not his house. Vicki pays for it and he and his wife are living there as a guest. He has no reason to go off on anyone on that show while filming unless……..HE WANTS MORE MONEY AND A SPOT NEXT SEASON.
    As far as I am concerned OC and NJ have jumped the shark and time to drop those franchises.

    • AZGirl says:

      and Vicki hugging Lydia’s mom and he ordered her to stop. She did out of fear. That so crazy. Ryan is using the leverage of Mother/daughter relationship to gain control of the home.

    • Powell says:

      Yeah I don’t like Ryan’s attitude. I don’t give a flying flip if he pays rent & changes light bulbs. It is NOT his house & he needs to respect Vicki. Ryan & Brianna have done nothing but emotionally blackmail Vicki all season & she’s put up with it cause she wants her grandson in her hone & she doesn’t want to live in that house alone. Vicki keeps saying she doesn’t financially need a man but she aure is scared as hell not to have one around.

      • melthehound says:

        I didn’t see the show but read the comments. When my ex BIL tried to dictate how things were going to be in my parents house, and tried to use the grandson as leverage, they (He, my sister, and the kid) were shown the door. That was during a simple leave visit (Army).

  64. VV says:

    Does anybody remember Giulianna Rancic a few years ago? She had her wedding to Bill in Italy filmed for the show. Her wedding was not valid in the US because of some paperwork that she didn’t file prior or something, I can’t remember … but anyways. It was revealed on that show she still held Italian cirizenship. I remember her traveling with her Italian passport. Not sure if she became a citizen after that.
    Maybe Juicy and Giuliana feel that they have to hang up to their country of birth out of pride or loyalty…I really don’t know.

    • VV says:

      *hang on

    • Nancy says:

      That’s exactly how I feel being a Canadian. Also I promised my grandmother I would
      stay a Canadian for life.

    • Amalfi says:

      When you become a US citizen, you have to renounce citizenship in other countries… dual citizenships are only recognized by the other country, not the US. Exception is children, I believe.

      • Iowagirl says:

        That is not correct. Each country decides on the cititizenship ability of their country. It does no matter wether your country agrees if they are citizens of another country.

        • Amalfi says:

          That is basically what I said, Iowagirl. If I have citizenship in England (or somewhere that allows dual citizenship), they will recognize that I am a US citizen.

          However, the US does not recognize any other citizenship. I stood before a judge at age 17 my senior yr taking the oath. They don’t forcibly take away citizenship, but in the US, it doesnt matter if I am a citizen elsewhere. And if I live here, that is what takes precedence. .

          • rabblerouser2010R says:

            It’s true the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship but you don’t have to formally ‘renounce’ your other citizenship. I think that is where some of the confusion came from in your first post. When you swear to the oath, you are not renouncing ‘citizenship’ but “allegiance” to the former country.

      • Twinkle Toes says:

        Having to renounce citizenship doesn’t matter because you can still be a dual citizen and have dual passports. I know because I am a dual citizen and I have dual passports.

        • Amalfi says:

          That is valuable when you are traveling in a second country, In the US, it is meaningless.

          • Twinkle Toes says:

            Meaningless in the U.S. govt’s eyes but not meaningless in the eyes of your country of birth and, therefore, the U.S. govt. cannot prevent a person from holding dual passports. Hence, one can have dual citizenship in both Canada and the U.S. and in this convo thread I was speaking specifically to Nancy, who has made many ridiculous claims over the years about why she won’t become a U.S. citizen. She could fulfill this alleged promise to her grandmother and become a dual citizen but even with the knowledge that she could hold dual passports she continues to make these ridiculous claims.

            • rabblerouser2010R says:

              I think ‘ridiculous’ is a bit harsh. She is either mistaken or she isn’t using the correct verbiage, if she became naturalized the US government would no longer recognize her a a Canadian citizen, it’s an issue of sovereignty; I imagine in her mind it comprises the promise she made.

              Swearing an oath to an another nation is a serious commitment, especially in the U.S where you also swear not to defend the Constitution, but bare arms if required (in addition to other promises) .Nancy has made her position on the second amendment clear on a few occasions so it would be disingenuous for her to swear to defend it.

        • Orson says:

          The US of A does frown on it’s citizens serving in another country’s armed forces, though.

    • chismosa says:

      She can likely keep both passports —- one of my parents has both US and EU passport so he has dual. You can be a US citizen and keep your passport of an EU country

      Giuliana has annoyed me lately for some reason.
      Her son looks just like her but 12 shades lighter lol and same forehead !

      • VV says:

        I don’t even think she had a US passport, if I recall the show correctly. She just might be a permanent US resident.

  65. Powell says:

    Watching E!. Damn. Joe is not a US Citizen. If he’s convicted he could possibly serve his time then be deported. Yicks.

  66. Iowagirl says:

    My daughter is going to marry a man from scottland who will live here. He will become a permanent resident but not a citizen. That way the children will be duel citizens, not a bad idea in my opinion. Why give up your birth country when you can enjoy both, I think it’s also a great idea for the future children. You never know what may happen in this crazy world and having options is not a bad idea. This mans heritage is very important to him and I cannot disagree with the idea of duel citizenship for the grand kids.

    • chismosa says:

      Iowa it’s funny you say that because that’s what I’m in the process right now of doing— getting my EU passport via my dad.
      You are ABSOLUTELY right.

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      Even if he becomes a USC, their children will eligible to for UK and/or EU citizenship because their father is one, My children are eligible for it too since I was born in N. Ireland.

  67. VV says:

    Since the HW is a “manufactured” show and we know they take audio from here and put it with footage over there. The THs are basically cleverly worded questions by Producer to get a reaction or comment. I seriously doubt any of the show can be used as evidence. Seriously, Bravo will have to come clean and explain how they manipulate footage. They have to and that would be the end of Bravo so called Reality TV.

    • melthehound says:

      I seriously doubt that any of the Bravo footage could be used. The only thing from Bravo that could be used is pay stub records. When and how much. Forget about T peeling $100 bills off of a roll to pay for stuff on screen. It may not look good but I doubt it could be evidence. They have all they need with the paper trail that the Giudices left behind. I agree it could be interesting to see production on the witness stand having to explain how ‘reality’ TV really works (just like we all know it does).

    • nyc mama says:

      They intereviewed a prosecutor and a defense attorney and both stated it can be used and probably will be, if nothing else the Feds are going to be viewing it all to find information and if they made any statements. They aired (edited) versions where both Joe and Teresa talked about lying to save their skins (they showed 2 clips on tv tonight). Although we don’t know the entire context due to Bravo’s creative editing, the Feds will be combing through it all, in context.

      These are very serious charges and a slew of them, and the pattern show they both knew about it and both kept it going.

      It was also stated that this investigation has been ongoing for years (and has been the talk of their community for years as well). It didn’t have to be instigated by someone who had a bone to pick, and certainly not in the last year.. The Giudices have gien authorities many red flags over the years by flaunting their money and overspending, Joes problems with the law and his “businesses”, the problems with his housing investments,…The TV show and bankruptcy filing and then unfiling was just another cog in the wheel of their undoing.

      What a mess and a high price to pay for celebrity.. Those poor kids. It does seem that greed and money were more important in this case or it wouldn’t have come to this and one of them would have put a kabosh on it long ago to save their children and the family from this.

      • melthehound says:

        My point was, I don’t think they need to use the Bravo footage as they have what they need to get convictions. A federal prosecutor and grand jury don’t hand down indictments if there is any doubt in their minds what is going on AND that they can get a conviction. Bravo has been following them around since what, 2008, 2009? These go back to 2001 from what I’m reading here.

        • nyc mama says:

          Agree, They don’t need the footage to make a case they already did, but they could use it to support it and show that in the ensuing years up until today, neither Teresa or Joe have shown remorse or regret, or feel they did anything wrong.

          • melthehound says:

            I suppose they can use anything they choose to.. We will see if they do ;)

            • Orson says:

              And they can probably subpoena any unaired footage also. I recall reading the production company has to edit down 80 of tape to make a 44 minute episode.

              • chismosa says:

                80 minutes? Not 80 hours I hope …..

                So cut in half I guess

                • VV says:

                  It’s hours. This info came from Andy’s book. If anybody has a copy they can give you the exact number hours (it’s 80 something) Why do you think Bravo can manipulate so much? They have tons of film to pick chose and create whatever storyline they wish.

                  • chismosa says:

                    God I hope no one here legally purchased a copy. Please! Don’t give him sales!

                    🐍🐍

                    • VV says:

                      I think I repeat I thin Lynn had a discussion at her book club on her site. Yes, 80+ hrs of footage per every 44 min of one episode.

  68. boston02127 says:

    I don’t understand why banks were giving T & J loans from 2001 to 2011 without doing credit checks. Between 2001 and 2011 they only skipped 3 years of not applying for a loan.

    • Iowagirl says:

      They may have had a great credit score so no further checks needed. Just because they got all those loans doesn’t mean they defaulted on them. I would bet most of those loans were paid off with no problems. Just because they defrauded the banks to get those loans does not mean they were not paid off. I think the problem came in when the market tanked and they then had to file on their current loans.

    • Powell says:

      Boston. Mortgage many mortgage companies like Country Wide Mortgage now Bank of America did no doc loans. What they would do is get the bare minimum documentation and give mortgages to individuals that couldn’t afford them. Some employees/mortgage brokers would put down on their own, no customers involved, income to get the customers debt to income ratio up so the loans would be approved, the broker got credit & the mortgages on the books would look good to stockholders & the Govt. Joe & Tre were wrong but we also don’t know what the broker knew, didn’t know or helped w/to get the loans done. That is partly why we had the mortgage crisis.

  69. missusmc says:

    I do not believe Teresa is innocent in this and I don’t believe Joe is innocent, and I think at least one will serve prison time. And that’s sad for their girls and for T’s parents. But just as Joe and Teresa aren’t innocent in this, neither is Bravo, and for that matter, neither are we, the viewers. Bravo knew what they were getting into when they cast New Jersey. They specifically wanted a certain type of cast, and they wanted the “family” mentality. They played off the success of the Sopranos. Andy has been salivating every time he questioned these ladies about anything related to the mob. We, the viewers, knew about Joe and Teresa and their financial crimes. We may not have known the extent or all the details, but we had enough common sense to know that a new home cannot be furnished to the extent Teresa wanted it to with cash. And we alluded to it on blogs. We sat back and commented on what they’re doing. Some are excited about this arrest. Some are waiting for other cast members to be arrested as well. This entire situation is a sad commentary on us as viewers. I’m not trying to lecture or call anyone out. I certainly have enjoyed speculating on what the members of this cast may or not be doing. But after the arrest, after reading the articles and the comments and the blogs, I feel dirty and wrong. I was a part of the glorification of living beyond your means. I was a part of enabling people to falsify documents for their own gain. And I am a part of encouraging this lifestyle that very well may leave 4 innocent little girls without their parents for a long time. I can’t help but feel guilty myself for the part I played in this mess.

    • nyc mama says:

      I dont feel guilty. She had choices and could have made oither ones. I didn’t watch this year because I was tired of it. I was tired of the fighting, think that Melissa is just another version of Teresa (both fame whores and self-centered) and found nothing interesting in the franchise. I was disgusted with Teresa and her ways long ago but at one time she had an innocence and there was humor but that is long gone ever since she filed and then unfiled for bankruptcy continuing to flaunt her pseudo wealth and watching her bad behavior continue and take no blame for it. She always found a way to justify it or excuse it or blame others.

      If she wasn’t so greedy and more clever imo she could have reinvented herself with the help of marketers and branders and come out on top because she has a quality that people like, but instead she was too narcissistic to give up RH and was blinded by her own fame. She may have been a NY Times bestselling author, had cookbooks that sold well, had other lines that did well although others did not, but she also had a limited audience and market and ,there were lots of hands in that pot so she didn’t come out with as much $ as everyone thought. She had millions of $ to pay off, high priced lawyers to pay both for the bankruptcy and Joes legal problems, and high expenses to keep up the image she wanted to portray. She gambled, hoping she could dig herself out of the hole but it now seems she lost.

  70. LisaJ says:

    I just watched Ryan’s meltdown on Bravo. Wow! If he wants to be the “man of the house”, he needs to get his own damn house. Yes California is expensive, but your BAH (money for housing) is based on where you’re stationed. My son in law is also a Staff Sargeant in the Marine Corps, and when he was a drill instructor in San Diego, their housing allowance alone was $2,200. That didn’t include his salary, which incidentally goes up when they deploy. They could definitely afford to live on their own, maybe not in Coto De Caza, but somewhere nice. Move out!!! Also, my son in law, son, and daughter in law (all Marines) have all deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan, and if ANY of them acted like that in my house, I’d take off my shoe, and whap them upside their precious little heads!

  71. Powell says:

    It is so good to see you ladies that haven’t been here for a bit. I hope you are all doing well. :-)

  72. Nancy says:

    Alex fro NY Housewives is on HLN right now talking about the Teresa & Joe “issue”.
    She looks good.

    • vilzvet says:

      Aww, I kinda miss her.

    • melthehound says:

      Okay that she looks good but, what would she know about it? This is the reason I don’t watch the cable news programs. Every thing that happens, they trot out the most useless ‘experts’ as if their opinions are solid gold truth. Who’s next?

      • chismosa says:

        I was about to say this— what is her expertise???? I’m surprised they didn’t book JZ. Isn’t JZ a lawyer, dentist, plastic surgeon, therapist — and more?

        –cinnamon buns

        • Nancy says:

          You forgot Veterinarian. lol

        • nyc mama says:

          I read somewhere that they did dig up JZ for her opinion. Apparently nothing changed since no one listened. I dont even remember where I read or know what she said and it was only today that’s how interesting it was. Jill of all trades, master of none.

          • justanothermary says:

            I saw that on twitter earlier today. UGHHHHH. If I didn’t dislike Tre and the Juice before, I do now, for causing JZ to be trotted out again. I shudder.

        • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

          Hey Ashy buns-they trotted JZ out this afternoon-I have no idea what she said b/c I don’t care!!!

          • chismosa says:

            Ok thanks NYCM ^ and Ashy!—

            That’s funny– so was she on anything? Sorry I have to read upwards I’m behind on the blog.

            Who posted the 1million bail?? Ok catching up ……

      • BB says:

        I agree MTH. What the heck can Alex McCord add to this conversation that would be useful?

  73. VV says:

    Not a single tweet of support from Lysa Simpson I mean from Joey Marco.
    Caroline, Jac, Kathy – all mute

    • VV says:

      Forgot the Snake Melissa …. silence on twitter….

      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        It’s for the best-better if they all shut the hell up!! Besides-old lady Kim is tweeting up a storm-she knows lots of prison tips…wonder how she knows so much!!! That old pain in the ass!!!

      • Iowagirl says:

        I doubt any of them want attention from the Feds right now. Put your head in the sand and pretend you don’t know her. My dog does this, she puts her head in the kennel and thinks if she can’t see me I can’t see her. Good luck to them because I believe they have already been spotted. Time will tell.

  74. Powell says:

    I know most of us that look at Sister Wives every now & then only watch out of curiosity. Did anyone watch epi one if the new season? Did they move into their homes?

    • BB says:

      I haven’t watched, but I don’t think they had at the time of taping. They might have in real life. From what I’ve read, it’s the same old, same old.

    • justanothermary says:

      I did watch. They’re driving the contactors crazy by constantly making changes then still insisting they get in by Xmas. They were also still talking about how they don’t actually have the financing. I have NO idea how that works.

  75. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    Hey VV-when you get a chance go read Melissa’s blog….I think you will catch on to what I want you to see (if I had your email I would have sent you a message cause I know people are going to think I’ve lost my damn mind!!!)

    • VV says:

      Are you talking about Monica Chacon? That’s what came to my mind yesterday when the news broke? That’s why I asked PVS if she’s heard anything on Twitter about her on the Chat blog last night. It was weird the way Melissa brought her name up as if to say it was Teresa’s fault they kicked her out. Why used that example? Melissa is a snake, she was happy tweeting the night of RHONJ, I wonder if she knew then.

      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        YES!!! I had a feeling that’s why you asked!!!! It is very strange that she used her name…that’s all I’m sayin’!!!!

  76. iceNfire says:

    Hello – Reading here and over there, trying hard to keep it zipped. Thanks for ‘Back To Reality” comment you made over there Hildog. ….Really, Thank You

  77. chismosa says:

    What is “3 hots and a cot…”????

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      The big house….the clink…the slammer…the hoosegow…the big show….PRISON!!! Girl don’t you know the jail house lingo???

      • chismosa says:

        I get the prison talk—- but i want to know what those things stand for — the guys attacking Juicy in the laundry room/ etc.

        Will urban dictionary it.

        Boy, bravo has itself it’s own Mob Wives now.

        Tree can get her spinoff now! Caro’s prediction will turn out true. Blech.
        I’m sure Heather’s typing up the book proposal for the publisher as we speak.

      • princesspindy says:

        The Pokey

      • Orson says:

        I like “The Hotel Grey Bar”

    • looneylucy says:

      Chismosa, the 3 hots refer to the 3 “hot” meals a day one supposedly gets per day in prison. And the “cot” is the one or two inch mat inmates in prison sleep on.

      • chismosa says:

        Thanks Lucy!!!

        Looney bin Lucy….perhaps???? Hahaha! Just kidding

      • Orson says:

        I understand the “hot” meal at lunch is a bologna sammich, a half pint carton of somewhat chilled milk, and an apple.

        • Jules says:

          that’s state or county lock up. Country club Fed is 3 hot. or Club Fed as it’s sometimes known.

  78. chismosa says:

    I asked this years ago with the 1st round of law problems with Tre— but what on earth is she doing going to a fertility clinic????
    12,000$?? What FOR!?!?!?!?

    I thought she could hang Joes underwear near her clothes and she’d get pregnant like Cher in Mermaids ……????

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      What FOR you ask….A BOY!!!!

      • Nancy says:

        Hi Jill…I just read Melissa’s blog so I’m wondering what caught your eye?
        Time to spill it girlfriend. :)

        • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

          You are going to think I’m a nut but whatever….it just so happens that Melissa brings up none other than Monica Chacon-the lawyer who came out today and said she was helping the FEDS with their case….I know it’s a stretch but quite a coinky….oh Jesus now I feel nuts!!!!

          • chismosa says:

            Interesting Ash—–
            Can you remind me, this Monica— wasnt she at some party when Mel first -joined/ransacked the show— ? I forget how this Chacon was featured. I’m sorry….. Was she exclusively friends with Mel and not Ter? Ter got mad?
            Ughhhh….
            Sorry! I really forgot— there needs to be a HousewivesWiki.
            Sorry to ask!!

            But she mentions this– in the blog that went up at the time the show airs, meaning Bravo needs time to edit them down- so it must have been turned in days ago— ? Like, end of last week right?

            • justanothermary says:

              Didn’t Monica Chacon get asked to leave party? I think she was the attorney for Juicy’s partner who sued them.

              • justanothermary says:

                I think she may have come to the party with Kim G. I THINK It was at the Manzo house. Gawd, I almost home I’m totally wrong because it would be scary to think I actually remember THAT when I can’t find my car keys half the time.

                • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

                  Mary-she did get kicked out of a party-it was at Melissa’s house and she was a guest of Kim G….the old pain in the ass who won’t go away!!!

                  • justanothermary says:

                    That’s right. Thanks for the clarification.

                  • Orson says:

                    Kim G brought Charon as her plus one to a party hosted by the Manzos. I don’t remember if it was at Chez Manzo or the Brownstone. Both Kim G and Charon were told they weren’t welcome at the party and Charon left. Kim wouldn’t leave and Caroline asked her son or sons to escort KG from the premises. Which was touchy because one of the Manzo scions and KG’s son had been best friends for a long time.

                    • Orson says:

                      Chacon, not charon. sorry. I just washed my hands and can’t type a thing with them.

                    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

                      Orson-the party was at the Gorga house-it was their Christmas party-all the gifts for the children’s hospital went into the library-because the shelves were devoid of books!!! You may think it was at the Manzo house because Caroline tossed Kim G out-but it wasn’t Caroline’s house!!!

                • chismosa says:

                  Thanks everyone ^^^^^

                  Got it

                  Manzo boys trying to show toughness I remember

                  Who WANTED the KG(B) out—- the Don? Who specifically told them to get rid of her??? Teresa ??

                  • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

                    Teresa wanted Monica Chacon out-Caroline wanted Kim G out. Caroline thought Kim was causing problems (she was trying) so she told her to leave …..someone else’s house!!! I have never kicked anyone out of someone else’s house!!!!!!

                    • melthehound says:

                      I think it was ultimately the Gorgas that tossed the bitches out of the party with the help of the Manzoids. Remember Grannytel’s kid (or something like that) is/was a friend of Christophers (?) or is it Albie… The bitch obviously brought the other bitch in order to dig at Teresa… and it worked.

          • Nancy says:

            I wouldn’t put anything past Melissa but as many of the posters here said that the Fed’s
            were on to them way before Monica Chacon came into the picture. And no I think you
            are nuts. We are the sane ones on this blog. :)

            • chismosa says:

              You think she IS nuts?

            • VV says:

              Jill cleverly reminded me that she represented Juicy’s ex partner. Meaning his client must have known about these activities. I think Monica cut a deal in exchange for information to help build the case.

      • chismosa says:

        Dear god — ok thanks

        How sad Audriana grows up to know this

  79. Nancy says:

    BB…are you still up? You will like this video.

  80. VV says:

    Love her or hate her. She’s standing by Teresa.

    Us Weekly Mobile – Celebrity News – Teresa Giudice Indicted for Fraud: “I Don’t Think She’s Capable of It,” Says Kim DePaola http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/teresa-giudice-indicted-for-fraud-i-dont-think-shes-capable-of-it-says-kim-depaola-2013297

  81. justanothermary says:

    TMZ caught Tre on camera in an orange dress, out on the town with one of the girls (Malania I believe). I thought the choice of orange was an interesting one.

  82. chismosa says:

    So I’m just saying –/// if I am purchasing a product of
    Teresa’s— am I in any way increasing the fraud and crimes she’s perpetrated ???

    I’m just wondering. Like would people think to NOT buy something of hers now or even ask for a refund (a wacko) ?
    I know a Tre fan is a Tre fan is a Tre fan and maybe this has increased sales 4000% but I’m just wondering …….

    • melthehound says:

      If you’re asking of purchasing a Teresa product means you are condoning fraud, I would have to say no. It could be a thin line in some minds and an absolutely out of the question in others.

      With that said, I want to address this…

      I know a Tre fan is a Tre fan is a Tre fan

      Please don’t group people who enjoy watching her on the show, into some lump of people who would support her no matter what.

    • VV says:

      chismosa/chianima/chinamoon:
      I know you’re being facetious. I will buy her book.

      • chismosa says:

        Actually I was serious– I didn’t know whether people who had purchased things of hers in the past would now be disgusted about it?
        Sorry if that sounds dumb?? I’m dead serious (and dead sexy)

        I’m going to the store this week where she appeared to launch the pasta stuff 💤💤💤 and I’ll see what’s what, they’re friendly there I’m sure they’ll tell me what they think of all the news.

        Hey JILL– maybe I’ll pick up Ashlee and go there !!!

        ————–

        MTH*^^^ thanks — legally I get it.
        And I guess there are people who can like Tre the person and not the lawbreaker but I feel I read on sites (not just here) that when the criminal stuff came out about her years ago is when they started not liking Tre- the person. Just based on what people post. That their opinion of the person (and watching them on tv) changed DUE to the legal stuff.
        Same goes for any of the Jersey crew.

        Boy if it ever was time for a new recast or going to the mattresses, this is the time. Put jersey out Andy/ Bravo

        • melthehound says:

          Well, I’ve said before that I don’t count other people’s money. I know this set of circumstances goes beyond that but when it comes to these HWs, I have always stayed focused (I think) to what I see on the screen, even though I call bullshit on most of it. I have also said I don’t like to watch people fight (real fight). That’s because someone always gets hurt and it isn’t something I take pleasure in. I am sure the day of reckoning is coming for some of the rest of the NJ (and others) cast and I wont be taking any pleasure in it when it happens. That’s just me.. I am actually glad to see, that people are at least being civil to each other here given the nature of the fraud beast. Disagreements aside, I think it’s a testament to the group here. It may be because some of the older posters aren’t commenting.

          When the announcement was made here about the case, I groaned and rolled my eyes. Two reasons and neither is because it is against the Giudices. First, I thought things here would go to hell real fast. Second, and most important to me, It happened on the day of my Jersey recap. I put a lot of time into those and it kind of pissed me off that focus was taken away from it. Yeah, selfish and childish, I know… but still. Bad enough I have to share my blog day with the OC chat blog but did the phuckin feds have to ruin my blog day by cutting it short? It couldn’t have waited until a typically slow blog day? They’ve been compiling this info for the last several years, another day or two wouldn’t have hurt anything. Joking, of course, sort of ;)

          • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

            Ha Jeff…that’s kind of funny…and sad! One more day wouldn’t have made a difference-they could have let you have your glory!!!

          • TexasTart says:

            MTH, I understand completely agree with all your take and all of that. You’re not selfish IMO.

          • chismosa says:

            OMG that is funny and sad and I’m sorry you have to share your day. I totally get it because later in the week we have slower blog post days –// so this had to happen THIS day.
            Ridiculous.

            Maybe Feds like to go after people a certain time of the week? I’m serious, maybe it’s something they try for. ??

      • Laineylainey says:

        I want some of that Fabellini

    • iceNfire says:

      I might be willing to go to prison for 4,000% increase in income 🐹 🎎 🎐 🎍 🐚 🎏 💝 🎓 👆 👇 💢 👊 💨 👐 👋 😺 😸 👅 😻 😽 💦🐻 🐷 💩 🐮

      • Laineylainey says:

        Hi ice…that is a serious emoji display! I think you are just kidding…but I know a man who is serving two years in a state prison. He has been moved aRound due to overcrowding..,he has ended up in south Texas. There is no air conditioning. None of the prison he has been in, have a/c. The heat index was 140 degrees farenheit this weekend. Each dorm receives a cooler of clean water twice a day w little paper cups. It goes super fast. If you need more water, you drink out of the faucet in your unit, the water is hot and brown. I’m probably entering a dangerous territory here…believe me, some of my loved ones have been victims of violent crime and I don’t believe in coddling criminals…but 140 degrees…imagine that. Maybe federal prisons aren’t as horrible as the state prisons. It’s no picnic, and not worth the 4000% profit, in my opinion. Again, I think you were only kidding, but I just wanted to share that since we are talking aout possible incarceration for the Guidice’s.

        • chismosa says:

          Whoa Lainey—-NO AC??? How is that legal???

          🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😅😅😅😅😅

          • Laineylainey says:

            I know, chismy…

            • iceNfire says:

              Hi Lainey – Sorry about the prison joke, was thinking more like the Paris Hilton kind of prison which is what Tre will prolly be placed in

              • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

                Paris Hilton I believe went to jail-not prison. They are 2 different things. Like a county lock up vs a state pen. Teresa if convicted will go to federal prison.

              • Laineylainey says:

                No icey! No need for sorries, I know you were totally joking…I love jokes. It’s just that i had it on my mind today, a dear coworker shared with us at lunch that she had just visited her son and when we asked how he was…well, she told us. Maybe I should say sorry for being a Debbie Downer…wah, wah, wah. 😉

        • Nancy says:

          Teresa would not do well in prison. :(

      • chismosa says:

        Love the emojis. 👏👏👏

    • Orson says:

      If you’re interested in some Italian recipes, why not buy a cookbook she wrote. And buying one of her cookbooks is giving her some legitimate income to pay off her debts. I don’t see either as being an accessory to her fraudulent actions.

      • chismosa says:

        Is this to me—?

        No not interested in Italian food (overrated) and I wouldn’t buy hers.
        I’m just wondering if there would be any backlash on the consumer’s end but I get it.

        • Rebecca says:

          Italian food is overrated? Thems fighting words.
          Italian food is NOT just cheese, sauce and macaroni. I dare any carnivore to eat Pollo al Mattone and say its not the best way to prepare a chicken. (That’s chicken season with lemon, garlic, and rosemary and grilled under a brick)

          • chismosa says:

            Sorry I’m just picky with savory foods ! (Member of the I hate cilantro club here)

            There is of course plates that are superb— but it’s like all there is. The most exotic foods many Americans like is Italian (really Italian- American) and Mexican.
            Wild is Chinese and Thai.

            I have all Irish friends and all they all make is baked ziti and Italian (American) food. I’m like— but you guys aren’t even Italian??!!!

            Hey my face is an orecchiette with sausage, broccoli rabe, etc. but I’m just ‘over’ it. Maybe because of where I am it’s so highly concentrated

            And yes, the food in actual Italy is delish I know

            The chicken you speak of sounds superb

            • Rebecca says:

              So you can say “stereo-typical Italian-American food is overrated” ad no one would disagree with that. I have dishes that my Calabrese and Sicician grandmothers make that nobody here in the States has seemed to have ever heard of – and they would blow your mind.

          • chismosa says:

            Sorry I’m just picky with savory foods ! (Member of the I hate cilantro club here)

            There is of course plates that are superb— but it’s like all there is. The most exotic foods many Americans like is Italian (really Italian- American) and Mexican.
            Wild is Chinese and Thai.

            I have all Irish friends and all they all make is baked ziti and Italian (American) food. I’m like— but you guys aren’t even Italian??!!!

            Hey my fave is an orecchiette with sausage, broccoli rabe, etc. but I’m just ‘over’ it. Maybe because of where I am it’s so highly concentrated

            And yes, the food in actual Italy is delish I know

            The chicken you speak of sounds superb

  83. Mrs Peabody says:

    I think the Teresa of 2001 was probably a lot different than the Teresa of today. I bet she signed anything he put in front of her and probably never thought anything about it. My guess is he took care of that part of their marriage and she took care of the home and kids and when he needed something signed she did it. She probably trusted him 100% and had no reason to question what he was doing. Was she right in what she did, no, was she stupid, yes, and is going to pay for it now, most likely. This was probably how her parents lived as she was growing up, do what your husband say and don’t ask questions, this is how her marriage was too. If she did question it, like how come it says I earn this much money each month at a job I don’t have, he probably responded don’t worry about it just sign the damn paper and she did. She wasn’t the first to sign what her husband put in front of her and she won’t be the last.

    • VV says:

      That’s a possibility as well as Juicy signing documents for her or forging her signature. Isn’t that why Juicy and his partner ended their partnership? I think it was more like you stated.

      • Mrs Peabody says:

        And I have no doubt he probably did that too. She probably learned over the years not to question him and he probably signed her name to a lot of things and never thought anything about it. What she didn’t know is going to hurt her now. Sorry to say this but there are a lot of dumb women out there, who have their heads in the sand and then are surprised later when the roof collapses on them. Look at the Lynn that was on OC. Teresa probably never questioned how the business was going and where all that money she was spending was coming from. All she cared about was being able to spend it. I think very few of these housewives are as rich as they try to put on, a lot of them have questionable pasts, NJ just seems to be the worst of all of them. I’m sure we’ll be seeing more illegal things coming out of that group involving the others.

    • melthehound says:

      I’ve said the same thing since this bankruptcy thing. I have run into a number of women who did the same thing. The result being most of the time, hubby dies or they divorce, THEN she finds out what was going on and has to get a job a McSquirts to pay her bills.

  84. chismosa says:

    On my local news they just showed Filomena cursing

    Classy

    • VV says:

      I thought his dad was even more hilarious.

      • chismosa says:

        I didnt see him doing anything physical. Maybe on Nightline? I’ll see ….. Filomena seems to like to push

        • VV says:

          She did but they were shoving the cameras on their face. It was hard for them to walk to their car surrounded by media yelling.

          • chismosa says:

            The Nightline piece showed Filomena pushing someone for no reason. She clearly just randomly wanted to push. Nightline called it “classy” — don’t take my line Nightline!

  85. VV says:

    The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Giudice Sr.

    Teresa Giudice, husband Joe Giudice released on $1 million bond after hearing on fraud charges http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1412468 via @nydailynews

    • melthehound says:

      Pop Giudice gave the proper responses.

      • Laineylainey says:

        A father’s love. 😊You know, my feisty late father in law would have shot the bird if the paparazzi were after us. He also would have told them all where to go.

  86. Vegas Chick says:

    I feel really sorry for the kids especially Gia. Teresa tells the press to go “f” themselves? She’s a real class act and pseudo stardom has gone to her head. Every major network & syndicate is reporting the story. Prison might actually be good for her and maybe she’ll learn the meaning of humility. Stay positive Tre. You can probably write a cookbook about how to Italianize prison food, lol. #FabuCellini :-)

    • melthehound says:

      FabuCellini
      :lol:

    • Laineylainey says:

      Teresa did that?

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      She told the press to go eff themselves???? I thought her mother in law cursed the press out?? When did Teresa say it? I didn’t see that one yet!!!!

      • Nancy says:

        It was Joe’s mother that did that.

      • VV says:

        I haven’t seen that either but you know how stories change. I just read on twitter somebody “reporting” that Joe Giudice is an illegal alien 😱😱😱 I have to admit I giggled at their ignorance.

      • Vegas Chick says:

        My bad… she only told them to go to hell. Maybe, it was the MIL. Teresa says that she wants to maintain her life and continue with her career. (cough, cough) Apparently, REALity hasn’t set in yet. But, hey, what do I know? Maybe, the Dept of Corrections will allow her to have book signings in between cleaning toilet bowls…. baaawaaahaha!

  87. chismosa says:

    Hey question for anyone around– I left a PLASTIC bottle of seltzer in the freezer too long. If I melt it down and drink it– muy BAD for me???

    • Orson says:

      Let it thaw completely. If you open it too soon, if it’s anything like frozen coke zero, it’ll foam all over you. Probably not as sticky to clean up, though.

    • Mrs Peabody says:

      Just don’t put it in the oven to thaw it…….

      • chismosa says:

        Thanks both of you —-
        I meant the plastic getting into the water and the water getting toxic.

        I’m drinking it whatever !

  88. Mrs Peabody says:

    I actually feel bad for her (but not him), I think she was coming into her own self and making something for her and her family and now for whatever reason it’s going to be all gone. Whether she really and truly knew what all was going on and what he was doing, who knows but she was making a name for herself in a positive way. I think it was more of a case for her of not questioning anything he was doing and not really caring, it was his job to take care of the family. Sad but probably true and now she will pay for it too.

    • nyc mama says:

      The only one’s I feel bad for are the children. Based on the list of charges against them both, and speaking to people who know something about the law, it looks like Teresa is more culpable than just blindly signing what Joe put in front of her. I think that may be so in some instances, but not all.

      What makes me sad is they didn’t take these kids into consideration while building this pseudo life they created and like a house built on sand, it is now all crumbling.

  89. chismosa says:

    Josh Altman MDLLA is engaged to Heather. According to E.

    He’s annoying.

    • djprincessc says:

      She annoys me more than him. She looks like a beaver to me. Lol.

    • djprincessc says:

      Or an armadillo. lol.

      Oh did you see that I responded to you asking about mr future ex husbands birth order? :)

      • chismosa says:

        Yes I saw, I got so wrapped up in the Teresa events today, will respond to you later! Promise

  90. chismosa says:

    Ok Teresa is getting a full segment on Nightline tonight not just a blip like yesterday. Interesting.

    • chismosa says:

      Wow they got FLATTERING sketches in the courtroom!!! Joe looks like a supermodel! This sketch artist (or their wife) must be a bravo fan.
      Lol

    • chismosa says:

      Rob jaw Shuter just said that Bravo does NOT pay the cost of parties and events and stuff on the show. Isn’t this a blatant lie???

      • iceNfire says:

        Alex of NY said earlier on HLN that Bravo only covers vacays

        • chismosa says:

          Ok thanks ice ! ⛄💎💎💎
          Thank you miss alex for setting it all straight. Lol

          DJ I agree that things came at as a free advertisement deal-type for publicity to use a venue, etc

          Man I can’t stand that Rob Shut-his face. How annoying is he!!! He’s on some show on Style that someone here got me into— City Girl Diaries or something — annoying guy.

      • djprincessc says:

        I’m sure the companies either provide their services for free or give HUGE discounts since they get to be on TV. Esp a show like the housewives.

      • realhousewifeva says:

        Bravo might not pay, but most everything is covered for free for product placement. I can`t remember who it was, but one of the Housewives was asked about it once (Taylor Armstrong?) and she made a comment about how she didn`t actually pay for all that stuff.

  91. djprincessc says:

    I know some of you don’t like Radar Online but here’s another celeb going through bad financials with her bf, I really like Holly too! :(

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/holly-madison-in-denial-planning-wedding-pasquale-rotella-baby-daddy-faces-jail-time/

  92. rabblerouser2010R says:

    There was some mention of the other cast members twitter accounts being silent, Jac didn’t post anything today other than a Rascal Flats video called Stand. It could be a subtle show of support for Teresa.

    There is nothing on Joe and Melissa’s twitter accounts…I guess because they are to busy parting in Las Vegas. Yep…they are at the White Party in the MGM “Shrine” club.

  93. Orson says:

    What could any cast member tweet that wouldn’t get jumped on? If they offer T & J support, wouldn’t that mean they approve of the criminal activities? Offer prayers for the kids and that means you’re writing off any chances the parents have? Stealthy sounds like a good idea to me.

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      You could say, “I am thinking about them”.. It’s ambiguous enough.

      • VV says:

        Exactly! At least from her brother…
        This excuse of not wanting to bring attention to them is ridiculous considering they are currently on a TV show and had been together for years. LIKE THE FEDS DON’T KNOW THAT!
        A tweet is not or should not stop the FEDS from coming after you if they have a case against you.

  94. VV says:

    I don’t advertise Famewhorgas website much here but they have a very good read and claim snitches brought the Giudices down ( yes I know the Giudices did it to themselves) I think they are correct in their assessments of events.

    • T-Rex says:

      I will also say that the Banks that were charged in the case also provided the Feds with a boatload of information. I deal with bankruptcies on a daily basis at my job, when one files Chapter 7 you don’t really need snitches, they help in certain cases. I think it was more of the lending institutions giving the Feds the information. Filing Chapter 7 on a bank or lending institution for the sizable amounts the Juicy’s did gets your case squarely in the hands of the banks legal department. If you look at the indictment each and every one of those charges, were from the banking and lending institutions. Banks spend millions of dollars on the finest bankruptcy attorneys they can get. Those banks start out with you are lying scumbags and will scour every single document ever recorded at that bank, loan agreements, and all the backup information, every check you ever wrote, every ATM you went to, etc. If the bank has one iota of evidence that can be helpful to discharge the bankruptcy case, and especially if the loans were given due to an illegal action, they have the Feds Hotline number ready to go, they can’t turn over that information fast enough to them. The banks don’t need snitches, they have investigators appraise everything you own, and we mean everything. Doesn’t anyone want to know why that mysterious fake-pizza place has never been heard of since the bankruptcy was redacted? Why, because the Juicy’s owned that building outright, and to keep it from public auction, they claimed their family business was in that building. Meaning it would have to be sold at market value and may or may not be subjected to an auction, it would depend on the judge’s decision during the discharge of debt. In addition, from what the lawyers have been leaking, Bravo was also required to turn over every bit of taping of the RH shows from day one, including filming that did not make the show.

      • VV says:

        The banks can go after bigger fish. The money of the Giudices is pennies compare to others. Why the fixation on the Giudices? In the scheme of things, that was very little to go after.

  95. VV says:

    The FEDs have much bigger fish to fry. People and corporations committing fraud for billions of dollars. Why the Giudices? So, in the public eye FEDs look like they’re doing their job. Something does not click for me here. In time will find out why they were so after this couple.

    • T-Rex says:

      VV as I posted earlier I work with a lot of bankruptcies in my line of business, I can assure you the courts go after a lot of folks in this exact manner, two of my former customers are in the Fed Pen now serving time for a whole lot less dollars owed and for less indictments. Yes, because the Juicy’s are so public you are hearing about it, but if you go through the bankruptcy court records you would see them full of these types of cases. In addition, because it’s so public they will probably get to plead down to lesser charges and lesser jail time than your average joe.

      • VV says:

        I hear you but Monica Chacon is giving herself credit for turning them in.

        • T-Rex says:

          Her original case against the Juicy’s may have been the initial “set-off” to the Feds something fishy going on, and made the banks then look closer, but I can tell you with or without Ms. Chacon the banks would have found this all on their own. Ms. Chacon didn’t alert them about the hidden assets, the banks found those, all she did was make public the original fraud claim regarding Juicy and his partner in the press. If she wants to give herself a pat on the back for that, that’s her deal, but it would have been found out as a matter of public record. Seriously, the bank investigators are ruthless, if they can find any, and I mean any way to clear a Chapter 7 they do so. The show didn’t help either, I will say that, I think watching folks spending cash so frivolously probably helped to piss off a lot of folks, who in turn want to make them an “example”. However the other issue is that Juicy had those criminal charges and the DUI going on so it definitely compounded the efforts against them as well

          • VV says:

            Who who got pissed off? The bank president? The loan officer? The teller? Who? Who? Where they watching Bravo one night and a Light bulb went off? “Oh, I remember Joe and Teresa. Yes, I remember that couple. Let me check first thing in the morning how their status with the bank is…”

            I hear ya’ T-REX. I just think there’s more to this than a bank pissed off. Their main interest is recoup their money and they will get very little…

            • T-Rex says:

              VV, as I deal with bankruptcy on a regular basis, once the banks are served Chapter 7 on a large amount of money, the lawyers come in, no one from the bank would be involved, except to give depositions on their part in the transactions. It wouldn’t have mattered if they were joe-blow of JuicyJoe, the fact is that if fraud was committed against the bank the lawyers from the bank will get the Feds involved. The banks involved were large institutions, at least the ones listed in the indictment, they have a slew of attorneys just for bankruptcy. The fact that these folks were so public is what probably got the Feds more interested in the case, but again had a customer that did something similar for a lot less money and is in Pen for 5-7 years, he wasn’t a public person, but he was a crook and got found out. On the pissed off, I think public sentiment, folks were probably calling in all kinds of tips about the Juicy’s, especially anyone they owed money to, they happily sat down for depositions.

      • chismosa says:

        “The average Joe”

        Lol!

    • Rebecca says:

      Because they’re public. They can send a huge message to viewers of the show to clean up their acts.
      The feds will probably spend more $$ on this case than anyone will recover. Think about the need to discourage prosecution of every Tom, Dick, and Harry from doing this on a $100,000+ mortgage.
      Also, because they’re public, some of the proof is out there on tv. They would look like fools to NOT prosecute.

      • VV says:

        I can assure you 100% they are not sending any messages to anybody. Martha Stewart, Wesley Snypes all these high profile people serving time hasn’t stop fraud from happening. Do you think all these construction guys will stop? Probably not. They will lay low for a little bit and then go back to doing the same.

  96. Powell says:

    Good morning everyone. I’m just cracking up about the .”3 hots & a cot” comments last night. You all always make my day. :-) Be good & happy humpety day.

    • T-Rex says:

      HA! We use that term a lot, my cousins a lawyer and she told me that one years ago, a professor in her law school used it and well, we have been using that any time someone gets in trouble. My co-workers have also added this to their vocabulary too, HA!

      • cusi77 says:

        I just learnt that last night I was reading the comments. That is hilarious! Morning Powell and T-REX!!!!

  97. cusi77 says:

    BB_ Did you notice Lydia when she arrive to the Party and everything was so “Magical”? Then she sees in the swimming pool Penguins…. Hahaha! She was like “OoooOoooPsy” If the theme was the North Pole THERE ARE NOT PENGUINS!!!! Penguins live in the South Pole, that is the reason Polar Bears don’t eat penguins! No polar bears in the South Pole and NO penguins in the North Pole!!! Cats don’t bark! Haa!

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