Bethenny Frankel Calls Teresa Giudice Vile and Congratulates Herself for Selecting Aviva Drescher / RHONY / Gallery Girls / Basketball Wives / WWHL

Bethenny Frankel Calls Teresa Giudice Vile and Congratulates Herself for Selecting Aviva Drescher

by NoMoreDrama and Valley Val

Bethenny Frankel weighed in on the real housewives on twitter over the last few days.  On Sunday night she tweeted during the Real Housewives of New Jersey Finale, and called Teresa Giudice “vile.”  Fans may remember that Teresa dissed Bethenny’s Skinnygirl Cocktails earlier this year by calling them out for the diet like taste.

Bethenny Frankel also tweeted ex-boss Andy Cohen during last night’s airing of the Real Housewives of New York.  “Um @BravoAndy where is my fruit basket? I mean…”  During Cohen’s live talk show Watch What Happens Live, he acknowledged that Bethenny was the one that recommended  Aviva Drescher for the show, confirming her claims made earlier this summer according to WetPaint “I cast Aviva [Drescher],” Bethenny reportedly told the New York Daily News “I’m the reason she’s on the show.”

Other Housewife News by NoMoreDrama

Not to be outdone, Bethenny’s former best friend forever Jill Zarin also tweeted her former boss, Andy Cohen, after he gave a gift to pregnant Cat Ommanney on WWHL.

“Andy what would Evelyn say? No baby gift BEFORE baby born!! Need to send you my book! (wink wink!)”  Shockingly, Andy acknowledged her presence with an “oh you are so right.”  

I’m sorry, but hasn’t she heard of a baby shower?  What a trailer turd.

Alexis Bellino has made an official statement, confirming her departure from the original real housewives, Real Housewives of Orange County.  In an interview with people.com Alexis is quoted as saying:

“After three seasons of appearing on The Real Housewives of Orange County, I have made the difficult decision not to return for season 8.” 

“Although Bravo made me a very generous offer and I’m thankful to have had this experience, I will be leaving the show behind to focus on my family and other opportunities.” 

I hope she kept the emails as evidence, as Tamra Barney is saying Alexis was fired.  Good thing Tamra is feuding with Vicki Gunvalson, otherwise she’d have to find someone else to be mean to next season.

Brandi Glanville continues to play out her love life on twitter.  Brandi tweets her dates and breakups.  Her latest: “Please stop telling me what a player the guy I am dating is!!! Let me figure it out for myself!!!!”

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Real House of New York “Don’t Make Room for Daddy”

(My Take) by BB

Aviva and her dad George at the Health Food Store
Aviva thinks her dad George is cute and funny.  I think George and Aviva have a very weird relationship that, quite frankly, gives me the creeps.  I think George is icky and obnoxious.  I would be embarrassed if my dad talked like he did in front of the health food salesperson, much less a television camera.  George tells Aviva he wants her to meet someone (who I guess he’s dating) who is in her 20’s and looks just like Aviva (that’s kinda sick) except she’s black.  He also tells Aviva that he wants to make overtures to her friend Carole.  Aviva tells him that probably wouldn’t be a good idea since she and Carole have become good friends.  George tells her incest is best (that’s even sicker).  Ok I need a shower now.  George is just plain gross.

Heather’s “Hot Yummy Sexy Fashion Show”

Heather is planning a charity fashion show and Luann and Aviva have volunteered to help.  The charity has something to do with transplants because her son had to have a liver transplant.  Heather is going over how she wants the fashion show to take place and asks Aviva if she would like to walk in her show.  Luann is sitting there smiling, but she’s probably thinking, “Why didn’t she ask me to walk in her fashion show?”  I guess you either have to be a professional model or have a prosthetic leg to have that honor, Luann.  I think I see Jen Gilbert from season three of RHONY there but, just like Season three, she doesn’t add anything to the story.  I know she used to be some kind of party planner so perhaps that why she was there.

Sonja is moving on (maybe).

Sonja returns home from her settlement meeting with her ex-husband, John Morgan.  She tells Millsaps and her stylist it didn’t live up to her fantasy.  She was expecting John to take one look at her and they would all of a sudden become the best of friends and co-parents.  That’s not how it happened.  They weren’t even in the same room together.  Sonja is crushed and is finally beginning to realize it’s over, I hope.  She can’t believe her ex is not living up to the agreement they made before she had their child.  Ramona calls her to find out how it went and the phone conversation ends with Sonja being angry at her ex and she’s going to make him pay every cent he owes.
Later, Sonja invites Luann over because she’s getting some portrait expert to come and remove her ex-husband’s portrait from the dining room to go into storage.  Sonja tells Luann Ramona wouldn’t understand but Luann would because she was married to royalty and he dumped her also.  Sonja gets her portrait taken down at the same time and it will go into storage for her daughter until she turns 18.  Luann tries to be sympathetic towards Sonja but sympathy doesn’t come easy for Luann.  Luann remarks how empty the dining room looks without the portraits while the more sympathetically aware portrait expert tells her it’s a fresh new look.  If I want a shoulder to lean on, Luann would be the last person I would call.  I can’t relate to Sonja’s unwillingness to move on with her life.  I believe she feels the ways she feels but I cannot understand it.  She tells Luann if she can sell her house in France, she might not have to sell the Townhouse.

Aviva and Ramona meet for Breakfast

This was painful to watch.  It was nice of Ramona to go and listen to Aviva lecture her once again on her “behavior.”  I wouldn’t have.  I believe this is the scene Ramona was talking about in a recent interview with the Examiner.  Here’s what Ramona said:

“I’ve been getting flack because people have been saying I’m just walking away from Heather,” Ramona said. “You will see in the episode when we come back from vacation where I sit down and have lunch with Aviva and sit down and stay and take this verbal abuse from her. The producers even asked me why did I stay so long and take that from her, but the truth is I stayed is because they always were telling me I leave and walk out when there’s conflict, so I just stayed and got verbally beaten up.”

Apparently Ramona has called Aviva’s ex Harry and asked him inappropriate questions and Aviva is furious.

Number 1:  The luncheon attire.  Aviva remarks she was hoping to catch a sober Ramona and how she must not have been because she couldn’t take off her sunglasses.  When Ramona arrives she puts her sunglasses on instead of taking them off and tells the restaurant host she needs to wake up.  My take:  They both showed up to the luncheon dressed to make some sort of statement.  Ramona may have either been hung over (not drunk) and needed the sunglasses.  Or maybe Ramona was wearing the sunglasses to poke a little fun at Aviva because, as we’ve all come to discover, it doesn’t take much to ruffle Aviva’s feathers.  Aviva showed up in her lecture outfit of a fur collared dress with a proper bun.  The only thing missing were pince nez glasses for her to prop on the end of her nose as she is looking down it at Ramona.

Number 2:  Ramona tells Aviva that the Aviva she knew prior to St. Barths was not the same Aviva who arrived in St. Barths. My take:  Unless Bravo showed events out of sequence, Ramona must admit that Aviva showed a little of her true self right after her spin charity event when she duly chastised her and Sonja for not attending.  Ramona further tells Aviva that they were having fun before she got there and that she ruined the remainder of the trip because she was a total buzzkill after she arrived.  My take:  I agree with Ramona.

Number 3:  Aviva tells Ramona that no, she and Sonja ruined the trip by their awful behavior, staying drunk and dancing on tables until two in the morning.  My take:  Ramonja did drink a lot and they did dance on a table and stay out until 2:00 a.m.  What Aviva forgets to mention is that Carole and Heather also danced on a table (although they both came home earlier on that particular evening) and although Luann didn’t actually dance on a table, she came home even later and brought a French-speaking man with her.  So Aviva is definitely holding Ramonja to higher moral standards than the others.  Aviva further tells Ramona she saw Ramonja nekkid in bed when Carole opened the door to show her.  My take:  Don’t know anything about Ramona and Sonja sleeping together nekkid, but how would Aviva have even known that if, as Aviva says, Carole had not opened the door while they were sleeping to show Aviva? In fact, how did Aviva know about anything that happened before she arrived?  I’m guessing the main gossip was Luann (since Aviva mentions Luann as one of her sources), followed by Carole as a close second, with little tidbits thrown in by Heather along the way.

Number 4: Aviva tells Ramona she doesn’t appreciate the fact that Ramona called Harry to ask him about her phobias.  I agree that it was inappropriate for Ramona to have done that.

Number 5:  Aviva then proceeds to tell Ramona she is in her 50’s acting like she’s in her 20’s; that she hangs around Sonja the drunk to make herself look better; that she is enabling Sonja and not being a friend to her; blah, blah, blah.  Ramona tells Aviva that Sonja is going through the worst time of her life and Aviva wouldn’t understand because she hasn’t had to work hard for what she has.  Aviva pretty much calls Ramona a drunk and a cheater and insinuates there is something more than friendship going on between Ramonja.  She talks down to Ramona so much that Ramona finally tells Aviva she is making her sick to her stomach.  After taking this for way longer than I would have, Ramona gets up to leave and Aviva accuses her of running away from her.  My take:  Ramona should have left about half way through that train wreck and I’ll bet we didn’t even see the whole thing.  The only thing Ramona should apologize for is calling Harry Dubin.

In summary:  Nothing was accomplished during this luncheon other than the fact that things between Aviva and Ramona got even worse.  Perhaps Ramona should have taken a page from Sonja, told Aviva she didn’t care, washed her hands of the whole friendship, put her sunglasses on with a flourish and sashayed outta there.

George crashes Ramona’s charity event

Ramona is holding a domestic abuse fashion show charity event and she had invited all of the ladies before her lunch with Aviva.  She is hoping Aviva will not come since it’s on the 15th floor.  All the women arrive and so does Harry Dubin, who makes nicey nicey with Luann.  He tells Luann Aviva was going to come but she’s been scrapping with Ramona.  Seems Harry was going to escort Aviva until at the last minute Aviva decided not to go and sends her father with a check.  It didn’t even occur to her she could have mailed the check.

Ramona gives her speech about how she was emotionally and verbally abused as a child and how the host of the event was also abused as a young adult.  Ramona greets George and tells him she’s glad Aviva didn’t come because she owes her an apology.  Ramona is very gracious to George until he wants to start talking about his (41 yr old) baby girl’s beef with Ramona.  My take:  I have never met a grown woman of any age who needed their daddy to get involved in a disagreement with an acquaintance or friend.  Apparently Aviva has had her daddy do her bidding all her life and he’s still doing it.

Ramona and George go back and forth about who owes who an apology with Ramona repeatedly thanking George for coming.  My take:  Ramona was trying to nicely tell George the conversation was over by thanking him for coming.

Ramona, visibly shaken, tells one of her friends what is going on when George again approaches her and grabs her arm to get her attention.  George then turns his attention Carole by asking her if she wants to have dinner with him.  Carole is a little embarrassed and when Ramona sees what’s happening, she’s had enough and asks that George be escorted out.  George is trying his best to hang around telling everyone how Ramona has done his baby wrong.  Carole, Heather and Luann are saying poor George.  My take:  I didn’t see where Ramona had much of choice about getting security to ask George to leave.  Like Aviva, he was relentless.  He later refers to Ramona as a Trailer Turd and tells Carole he probably brought the biggest check out of everyone.  Now I know why Aviva is like she is.  She learned her craft at the knee of the master.  She has been surrounded by enablers all her life and she’s talking about Ramona enabling Sonja.  What a joke.

There was nothing lighthearted or fun about tonight’s episode and next week’s finale doesn’t look promising either.

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Gallery Girls “Beginning to see the Light” by LuLu

Back in Miami’s “Art Basel

The ladies Claudia and Chantal meet up with Angela by the pool to discuss the upcoming pop up gallery. Chantal still is protesting the “pop up” prompting Claudia to call Amy.  Once they reach Amy to ask about details pertaining to their show.  Amy tells them that everything is taken care of.  She bought all the things they needed thanks to daddy.

Gangsta B@#ch Liz

Liz meets up with old friends and the ladies at a night club in Miami.  Once Brooklyn arrives Liz is quick to confront them.  She was angry with them for being cold toher at various events including their opening. Chantal and Claudia apologize and it’s the end of that.  The ladies and Maggie’s boyfriend + friends start drinking.  Once the price tag of the drinks exceeds free Chantal and Claudia book.  While Maggie’s boyfriend and friends behave like jack@#ses eventually getting them kicked out.  Liz who is a self proclaimed “gangsta” is appalled by this behavior.  How dare they! Imagine guys acting like drunken fools!?!?!  Liz spends the remainder of the episode complaining about this.  Confronts Maggie who apologizes but that doesn’t satisfy her, Liz just wants to be angry.

Pop up anyone?

Amy is first on the scene working soo hard to set up (her) End of Century’s event.  When Claudia and Chantal finally arrive they are happy with Amy’s work.  I don’t quite understand what Amy is expecting from these ladies. They can’t pay her and there was literally no point for her to do it.  She won’t be recognized for it either.  At first it’s a complete bust.  Till Amy literally walks onto the street and begs random people to go to it.  The crowd that shows is a mix of bums, drunks and bewildered people.  Baby Jane arrives to everyone’s surprise and kindly purchases some items.

Amy’s piggy bank
Amy’s father decides to have a heart to heart discussion with her.  He tells her that her apartment in New York is sold and that she has 2 weeks to move.  To add insult to injury he tells her “she’s cut off.”  She is 25 years old and it’s time to start earning a living.  While she feels that she should be allowed to continue living this lifestyle for life.  Welcome to the real world Amy!  We all have bills to pay!

Boulon
Kerri’s boss asks to meet with her.  He asks her about how she feels about her job performance and how her internship is going.  Apparently she has been missing important emails and is dropping the ball.  Her boss is pretty understanding but is forcing her to make a decision.  Since it’s obvious she can’t handle both.

Bitter is the coffee
Maggie meets up with Liz at a cafe.  Yet again Liz for the umpteen time brings up Maggie’s boyfriend and friends outlandish drunken behavior.  But now she shifts her focus to Maggie.  It’s now Maggie’s fault for associating with those kind of people.  Poor Maggie just can’t win!  Liz needs to let this one go seriously!

This is the End of Century no really!
Claudia opens a letter from comed and is shocked.  Imagine if you don’t pay your electric bill then eventually they turn it off.  A bigger shock is that it is 205 dollars!!!  That’s too much money for poor Claudia who phones her mother to cry.  Her mother doesn’t console her and tells her that in a business you need customers.  That is how sales are generated and that is what pays the bills.  While she and Chantal were living it up in Miami no one  was running the store.  To make matters worse Chantal takes another weekend off to jet to Paris and becomes gravely ill.  Poor Claudia and what is to become of end of century!!!!

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Basketball Wives – L.A. by DETOX

Welcome back to Basketball Wives L.A.

We begin this week with Malaysia, Draya and Laura together in some type of fabric store. Somehow, of course, the subject of Jackie comes up.

Malaysia interviews that she thinks that the other women are opening up a bit to Jackie.  Draya tells Malaysia and Laura that she found Jackie to be “a bit too comfortable” at Gloria’s dinner party even though she was an uninvited guest.  Laura says it is fine if Jackie comes around every now and then, but that Jackie should “not expect friendship” (Wait a minute.  That was not the impression you gave when you met with Jackie for lunch one-on-one last week, Laura. Why the change?  Never mind.  I do not really even care.  I forgot that I noticed last week that you, like Jackie, seem to also have more than one personality.  I guess this is just another example.).  Draya interviews that Malaysia is “real big on 2nd chances,” and she is o.k. with that.

They all finally agree that they are o.k. with having Jackie around when they are doing “fun” things.  Malaysia says that she wants one of those “fun” things to be skydiving.  Draya tells Malaysia that “normal” Black women do not think of skydiving when they think of doing a “fun” thing.

Next, we see Gloria meeting with her manager and three other men in a conference room.  As noted last week, Gloria has secured the lead role in a soon-to-be-feature film where she plays a ballerina by DAY and an assassin by NIGHT (As I also noted last week, I think this is one of the DUMBEST ideas of which I have ever heard.  I still feel the same way this week).

It turns out that the three other men in the conference room, besides Gloria’s manager, are the Director and the Producers of what they call, “the web series” (As I also noted last week, this “film” is going to start off as a 6-episode web series and then transition into a feature film and, eventually, into a comic book called “The V Chronicles.”  I will believe it when I see it).  Gloria interviews that she is excited and nervous to be meeting with these people.

During the meeting, one of the bigwigs tells Gloria she must learn how to become an assassin in only 2 weeks.  These men let her know that this will involve intensive fight training (Seeing as how the cops were once called to Gloria and her fiancé/boyfriend’s home for domestic violence, maybe her on-again-boyfriend/baby-daddy, Matt, can help her with some of her fight scenes.  O.K….O.K.  Low blow, I know.  I’m sorry.  I just could not resist.  I actually kinda like Gloria this season.  Sorry, Glo!).

These men also explain to Gloria that her persona is that of a “cold-blooded assassin,” and they tell her that she has to be FOCUSED on this character for a solid MONTH (I guess this is what one calls “method acting.”  I hope Gloria is going to hire someone to take care of her twin boys while she is acting like a “cold-blooded assassin” for the entire MONTH.  I mean….that could cause some problems if the twins decide to act up).

Finally, they encourage Gloria and let her know they would not have picked her for the role if they did not thing she would be up to it (They also probably would not have picked her if she were not a member of the “Basketball Wives – L.A.” cast, but that is just MY opinion.  I could be wrong….but I doubt it.).

Gloria interviews that during this meeting, she appeared calm, cool and collected on the outside, but she was really freaking out on the inside.

Next, we see Brooke and Vernie entering a restaurant to sit down and have dinner.  Vernie is still in town visiting Brooke (I must admit that these two sure do make a cute couple).  Brooke interviews that Vernie is younger than her, and she likes this because he makes her feel vibrant. She also says that he is very funny, and he makes her laugh all the time (Good for you, Brooke!  That’s a good thing in a relationship, in my opinion!  Yay for Vernie and Brooke’s love!!).

Brooke tells Vernie that she went to a dinner party at Gloria’s house.  Vernie says he knows who Gloria is because he knows her on-again-boyfriend, Matt, because they both play basketball.  Brooke then mentions the other girls at the dinner party, but Vernie does not seem to know any of them (or to care about Brooke even mentioning their names).

Brooke interviews that she thinks that the majority of the women have taken a liking to her (I think so too.  I do not expect this to last very long, however.  I mean, this IS a reality show filled with women, and this IS a franchise infamous for drama that revolves around women getting into arguments and fights.).

Meanwhile, back at “Casa Christie,” Jackie is talking to her husband, Doug, again about the fact that their daughter Shantelle (a.k.a. “Shanny”) decided to move out and live and work in Washington.  Jackie tells Doug that this is really hard for her.  Doug tells Jackie that she is just going to have to have faith in their daughter.

Jackie then starts to cry because her daughter’s 19th birthday is coming up, and she says this will be the first time her daughter will be having a birthday without her.  Doug calmly looks at Jackie and reassuringly tells her, “It is not about YOU, Jackie.”  (Go, Doug!  I am a little shocked to see that backbone I sometimes forget you have.  The only other time I saw it was when I happened to be watching a basketball game in which you were playing, and Rick Fox tried to hit you, thinking you were a wimp – probably because of the way you let Jackie boss you around.  I remember it vividly because I rarely even watch basketball.  I also remember that you whipped Rick Fox’s a*s!!  And I remember Jackie Christie running down to the actual basketball court to defend you by hitting Rick Fox with her purse like the LOON that she still is!  Thanks for that reminder, Doug!  Memories…light the corners of my mind….misty water colored memories… of the way….Wait!  Let me get back to the episode.).

Jackie continues obsessing over the fact that her 19-year-old daughter has moved away from home and talks about how “there’s drugs, violence and molestation out there.  This has me very worried!”  In a matter-of-fact way, she explains to Doug that she has already called Verizon to try to get them to give her their daughter’s personal cell phone records so she can review them (??!! C-R-A-Z-Y??!!), but Verizon refused to give them to her.  Doug just looks at her calmly (as if he is resigned to the fact that Jackie will NEVER EVER EVER let him make it away from her ALIVE and IN ONE PIECE).

Jackie continues to ignore the fact that Doug has pointed out that their daughter’s decision is NOT about Jackie and says she is going to find a way to convince her daughter to move back home if it is the last thing she does.  Doug again just looks at her calmly (because he knows that Jackie is telling the absolute truth about doing EVERYTHING within her power to bring her daughter home, including knocking her out with chloroform and dragging her, unconscious, all the way back to “Casa Christie” if necessary.).

Next, we see Brooke at a table waiting for someone.  Brooke interviews that she feels that the majority of the other women like her; however, she feels that, for some reason, Malaysia is not in that majority.  She says that she feels like Malaysia is “standoffish” with her and like they just “do not quite vibe.”  Because of this, Brooke decided to invite Malaysia to lunch so they could talk one-on-one (Well, that is a mature way to handle it, Brooke.  Me likey.).

Once Malaysia meets Brooke at the restaurant and sits down, Brooke explains that she invited Malaysia out to lunch one-on-one because she was feeling a little coldness from Malaysia, and she wanted to know if it is because of something she said or did to Malaysia.

Malaysia explains that she does not have a personal problem with Brooke, but she admits that she may have unconsciously been keeping her distance from Brooke because of her friendship with a woman named Bambi.  A flashback scene from last week appears on the screen where Bambi tells Malaysia that Brooke is “a f*ckin’ HATER!” and that Brooke has a problem with her because Brooke’s boyfriend (Former?  Present?) likes her “shimmer” and likes to buy her gifts.

Malaysia tells Brooke that she and Bambi have been friends since they were children, and Bambi told her that she and Brooke have a problem with each other.  Brooke tells Malaysia that she does know Bambi, but she has NO problem with Bambi at all.

Malaysia then asks Brooke why Bambi would think there was a conflict between them.

Brooke says it was something trivial.  She explains that she and Bambi were both once unknowingly seeing the same guy at the same time.  It is hard to tell, but I think Brooke explains that Bambi and Brooke somehow found out about each other, and once this happened, Brooke said she saw texts on the guy’s phone from Bambi where Bambi told him to change Bambi’s name in his cell phone contact list “so that stalker bitch won’t know I’m calling or texting you” (with Brooke being “that stalker bitch”).  Brooke says it is no big deal because she is not one to fight over a guy.

Malaysia interviews that Bambi says that Brooke has been “talking sh*t about her all over town,” but now, based on what Brooke is telling her, she does not know exactly what to believe.  She makes it clear, however, that her loyalty is with Bambi because of their longtime friendship.  She says that some people may not agree with her stance; however, she is VERY big on LOYALTY, and that is just how she “runs” her “ship.”  (I get it, and I like it).

Malaysia tells Brooke that she thinks that Bambi and Brooke should just talk face-to-face and figure out what is going on because she does not have a personal problem with Brooke, but she also does have loyalty to her friend, Bambi.  Brooke interviews that she does not care if Malaysia likes her or not (Well, alrighty then!).

Now, we are back to Jackie and Doug, who walk into some type of club/restaurant establishment together.  Jackie interviews that girlfriends come and go, but the one constant in her life for years now has been Doug.

As soon as Jackie and Doug walk into the club, they are greeted by the owner.  It turns out that this is a gay club.  The owner tells Jackie and Doug that he heard they were thinking about having their 17th Wedding at his club.  Jackie and Doug confirm this.

Jackie explains to the owner that they have a different theme every year for their wedding.  This year, they have decided to have a theme that honors the Gay Community.  The owner tells them that this is perfect because their 17th Wedding date actually coincides with “Gay Pride Week.” Jackie and Doug seem excited about this.

The owner shows Jackie and Doug around the entire club, and it is HUGE.  It also has cages, and the owner tells them that he can also bring in “a pool” if they would like.

Jackie interviews that their 17th Wedding has the potential “to be their wildest and most fun wedding yet!”  She says that the Gay Community knows how to have fun and knows how to party.  So, their wedding should be a blast (I admit that I am actually LIKING Jackie right about now.  I still think she is straight crazy, but she DOES have her good points.  I can be fair and acknowledge them when I see them.  This is one of those times).

Doug and Jackie shake hands with the owner and agree to use his club as the venue for their 17th Wedding.

Next, Draya interviews that she has asked Laura and Malaysia to meet with her to discuss her new bikini/bathing suit line business.  To that end, they all meet at a coffee shop.

When Laura and Malaysia arrive, Draya gifts each of them with a bikini from her line.  Laura and Malaysia are thankful and look impressed.  They both also tell Draya how proud they are of her.  Draya interviews that she is proud of herself too.

Draya then tells Malaysia that she has been thinking about what Malaysia said about giving Jackie a 2nd chance.  So, she is going to set up a one-on-one meeting with Jackie just to test the waters of re-establishing a possible friendship.  Malaysia tells Draya she is glad.

Laura tells the both of them that she has ALREADY met with Jackie one-on-one for lunch. When they ask Laura how the lunch went, Laura opines that Jackie was not really being her “true self.”  She explains that she felt like Jackie was not being “real” because she was being so passive and calm and not really fighting back whenever Laura brought up any criticism of her. Laura says she does not respect this.

Malaysia says that Jackie was also calm with her; however, she does not see it as a sign of Jackie being fake.  Rather, she sees it as a sign that maybe Jackie has been changed by the way her friendships ended with all of them.

Laura looks skeptical.  Draya says that she will meet with Jackie one-on-one, but if she sees “any type of crazy” she will tell Gloria about it to give Gloria a heads-up because Gloria is the one member of the group that is the most resistant to having anything more to do with Jackie at all.

Laura then says, “Crazy people don’t change!,” and she says that Jackie needs to see a therapist.  Malaysia, on the other hand, thinks that Jackie HAS changed and says so (Malaysia’s ability to see the good in all people is one of the things I admire the most about her.  I think she is wrong about Jackie changing, but I still admire Malaysia’s positive and forgiving attitude, nonetheless).  Laura just gives Malaysia a look like she TOTALLY disagrees.

Back at “Casa Christie,” Jackie is on Skype talking to her daughter, Shanny.  Shanny tells Jackie that she has decided to move back home.  Jackie is, of course, THRILLED.  Shanny tells Jackie that she will be home for good in 2 weeks.  Jackie excitedly tells Shanny that this news from her is both her birthday and wedding day gift.

Jackie then reminds Shanny that she and her father are going to be having their 17th Wedding on July 8th.  She asks Shanny if she can fly in to be Jackie’s Maid of Honor for the wedding. Shanny checks her schedule and tells Jackie that she can participate in the wedding that morning, but she is going to have to fly right back out to Washington immediately afterward.

Jackie interviews that she cannot wait to tell Shanny the theme of her parents’ 17th Wedding, but, for right now, she is going to leave it as a surprise.

Draya and Gloria meet at a place called “Pole Dance Studio.”  Gloria interviews that Draya is going to teach her how to pole dance.

Once they are in the studio, and putting on super-high heels before they begin the lesson, Gloria tells Draya that, as part of her film role, she has to seduce and then kill a man with her legs. Draya says, “So, you want me to teach you the art of seduction through pole dancing?”  Gloria says, “Yes.”

Once their high heels are on, they are each in front of their own pole in front of a mirror.  Draya tries to teach Gloria some moves on the pole.  Gloria interviews that it is VERY hard, and it requires real strength.  She says that doing it in heels “is some serious art.”

Draya interviews that the funniest part of her training Gloria was trying to teach Gloria how to shake her butt.  Draya says that one has to have “mental control over your a*s”! (Ummm….alrighty, then!).

Draya then tries to teach Gloria how to give a lap dance by giving a lap dance to Gloria while she is seated in a chair in front of her.  Gloria interviews that she is comfortable with her body, but lap dancing for a GIRL is new to her.  She relays this awkward feeling to Draya.

Draya tells Gloria that she would totally hit on her.  She then says that, in fact, she hits on Gloria all the time, but Gloria has just never noticed (I never noticed either.  I figured Draya was bisexual last season, but I never picked up on any attraction from her to Gloria.  I’m sure Gloria’s on-again-boyfriend/baby-daddy, Matt, is at home going, “Yippee!!”).  Draya interviews that she would like to get Gloria out of her “element” a little bit (I have no idea what this means, and I am a little afraid to ask.  So, I won’t.).

Next, we see Draya walking down the street like she is looking for a particular place.  She interviews that she is meeting Jackie at some address Jackie gave her.  When Draya gets there, she discovers that it is a tattoo parlor.  Draya interviews that she is confused by this.

When Draya walks into the tattoo parlor, she sees Jackie on a table getting a tattoo above one of her hips.  Draya sits on a  chair next to Jackie while she is getting her tattoo done and tells Jackie that she wanted to reach out to her after Gloria’s dinner party just to see where Jackie’s “head is.”

Jackie tells Draya that she felt “really good” after Gloria’s dinner party.  Draya’s eyes widen in surprise at this (the same way Malaysia and Laura’s eyes widened when Jackie told them she felt “really good” after leaving Gloria’s dinner party.  I suppose it is surprising to have someone feel “really good” after they have been KICKED OUT OF a place, but….this IS Jackie Christie.  Things are very different in her world.  I wonder what color HER sky is.).

Jackie then asks Draya about Gloria and Gloria’s feelings about renewing a friendship with her. Draya honestly tells Jackie that Gloria is very skeptical and very resistant.  Jackie says she understands because she knows Gloria can be stubborn.

Draya then tells Jackie that she will put in a good word for Jackie with Gloria and tell Gloria that Jackie seems “cool.”  Jackie says Gloria is stubborn, but she is also a sweetheart.

Jackie then asks Draya if she can help set up some type of gathering up that will take place with the entire group, including Jackie.  Draya says that she can, but Jackie has to let HER handle it. Jackie agrees.

Jackie then changes the subject and reminds Draya that her and Doug’s 17th Wedding is coming up.  She tells Draya that this wedding’s theme is going to be a tribute to the Gay Community.

Draya tells Jackie she is a little shocked by this, and she asks Jackie if there is something about Jackie and/or Doug that she should know.  Jackie laughs and says that she has never been “gay,” but she has had “experiences” in her life.  She also says that if she was not so in love with Doug, she might be dating several people regardless of their gender.  Draya interviews that she finds it shocking that Jackie basically said that if it were not for Doug, “she would be out here in these streets ‘wilding out’!”

Once Jackie’s tattoo artist is finished, Jackie stands up and looks at her new tattoo for a long time in the mirror, saying how much she LOVES it and how much her husband is going to love it too.  She says that the tattoo is “gorgeous”!

Draya’s face behind Jackie’s back says that she thinks that Jackie’s tattoo is anything BUT gorgeous, and she just buries her head in her hands like, “I give up!”  She interviews that Jackie had “some type of Tribal Heart Triangle Illuminati ‘Taste the Rainbow’” symbol tattooed on her body, and I did not know WHAT in the hell it was supposed to BE!!  (LOL.  Draya can be so unintentionally funny.).

Continuing with their whole “Operation Let’s Try to Make Everyone Want to Be Jackie’s Friend Again,” Malaysia and Jackie meet for lunch to catch up.  Jackie tells Malaysia about her one-on-one meeting with Laura.  She says she “adores” Laura, and she told Laura that her friendship means “the world” to her.  Jackie also tells Malaysia that Laura seemed “open and receptive” (I hate to agree with Jackie, but the Laura I saw at lunch with Jackie last week DID seem receptive to her.  The Laura I see THIS week…NOT SO MUCH!  I don’t get it.).

Jackie then tells Malaysia that she met with Draya one-on-one recently as well.  She said her meeting with Draya was “strange.”  She then immediately says that she thinks Draya is “hilarious,” and she told Draya that she had missed her (How do we go from “strange” to “hilarious” and “I missed her”?  I am lost).

Malaysia tells Jackie she wants the other women to accept Jackie for who she IS.  She tells Jackie that, as friends, they should be able to feel comfortable enough to tell Jackie when they feel Jackie may need some help.  In order to further elaborate on this point, Malaysia somehow comes up with an analogy of “a crackhead Auntie” that you do NOT enable, but you still try to help because she is your “crackhead Auntie” (I did not QUITE get the point Malaysia was trying to make, and I can tell Jackie did not get it either, but it DID make me laugh out loud).

Jackie interviews that she did not appreciate Malaysia comparing her to a “crackhead Auntie,” and indicates that she finds this insulting (If I were a crackhead, I would be insulted to be compared to Jackie.  *Shrug*).

While Malaysia and Jackie are having lunch, Jackie gets a call from Draya, which she picks up and puts on speaker (so Malaysia can also hear it).  Draya tells Jackie that she has decided that they should all have a get-together at Jackie’s house.

Jackie agrees.  Jackie interviews and asks, “How did I just decide to have a party with women that cannot stand me?”  (O.K., now, see?  This statement makes me think Jackie is LUCID. Then, she turns around and says things like, “I thought the dinner party went well” after the other women KICKED HER OUT, and I’m back to thinking she is CRAZY all over again.  I am confused).

Malaysia tells Jackie she should feel encouraged about the get-together.  Jackie asks Malaysia to come over to her house earlier than the other women so that Malaysia can hold her hand and help her through it.  Malaysia agrees.

Next, we see Draya and Gloria meeting for lunch (How is it possible that these women do not weigh 300 pounds EACH??!!??  It seems like ALL they do is meet to eat and drink!).  Gloria interviews that she and Draya are meeting so that Draya can provide Gloria with a “Jackie Report.”

Draya tells Gloria she called Jackie to get together one-on-one, and they did.  She says it turned out o.k..  Gloria looks skeptical.  Draya interviews that Jackie is “still crazy.  Well, maybe not totally crazy, but still ‘touched.’”  She says she is going to leave out 50% of Jackie’s craziness when discussing the meeting with Gloria because she does not want to scare Gloria.

Draya then tells Gloria that Jackie, of course, is having ANOTHER wedding (like she does EVERY SINGLE YEAR with Doug).  Gloria simply says, “No, Thanks!”  Draya continues and says that Jackie’s wedding theme this year is “A Tribute to the Gay Community.”  Gloria is surprised.  Draya says she can see drag queens really liking Jackie so she kind of “gets” it. Gloria says that, of course, drag queens would like Jackie because Jackie looks like a drag queen herself (Oh, SNAP!).

Gloria tells Draya that she does not believe for one minute that Jackie has changed, and she does not need Jackie’s manipulations in her life (I feel you, Gloria!).  Just as she is saying this, Gloria receives a call on her cell phone from “Unknown Number.”  She refuses to answer it, and instead waits to listen to the message.  She listens to the message on speaker (of course), and it is Jackie.

When Gloria hears Jackie’s voice, she looks horrified.  In the message, Jackie invites Gloria over to her house for a pool party.  Gloria immediately wants to know how Jackie got her new cell phone number and mentions Jackie possibly even knowing where she now LIVES.

Draya is just as shocked as Gloria is because she stressed to Jackie when they met that Draya was going to be the intermediary between Jackie and Gloria.  She made it clear that Jackie was NOT to contact Gloria directly, but Jackie did it anyway.

Draya tells Gloria she has no idea HOW Jackie even got Gloria’s new cell phone number.  She also tells Gloria that the pool party was her idea, NOT Jackie’s.

Next Week:

Draya tells Jackie that she is upset that Jackie took it upon herself to directly call Gloria when she specifically asked her not to do so because of Gloria’s personal feelings toward Jackie. Laura and Jackie talk, and Laura comes to the conclusion that Jackie is “still the same, but with a twist.”  Malaysia’s jewelry line for babies and children has done so well that a jeweler wants to have a showcase of her jewelry line for her.  Brooke and Draya get into a tiff over the shoot Draya left because it was not “closed” as Draya had requested.  Draya and Jackie talk and Draya tells Jackie she is “in denial.”  Jackie says that Draya is starting to piss her off.

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Watch What Happens Live by LittleNewton

Sonja Morgan and Cat Ommanney are the guests in the clubhouse to dish on RHONY and Gallery Girls (kinda). Musical Artist, Jonathan Bluth, created a catchy jingle for Sonja In The City and the drinking game was to take a sip every time a snippet of the song played. I must say, the song was very catchy! 2 of Sonja’s interns are the bartenders and they are so cute. Cat is pregnant, which Lynn told us a while ago. She is due in December and apparently Andy has met her boyfriend.  Cat looks really good and has very cute short hair. Cat says she thought RHONY was dull in the beginning but it has gotten better. Poll question is the obvious; whose side are you on? Aviva or Ramona?

Andy shows the clip from last year’s royal wedding WWHL where Cat went OFF on the Countess. I loved seeing it again. Cat is asked what she thinks about Luann’s drama with Tomas and she thinks that nothing happened between them but that Luann created the story to give herself a plot. There’s a new thought! Cat also says she still talks to Mary and Lynda but not so much Stacie.

Andy shows a great clip of Amy Philips spoofing Chantal from Gallery Girls. It was pretty spot on as always. Sonja is asked what her daughter would think of the show and Sonja says eventually she will watch it but the nudity won’t surprise her because she knows her mother swims nude and now I feel awkward knowing that information.

Andy read a tweet from Cindy Barshop and Cat appropriately said, “Who?” Everyone is complimenting Sonja tonight, even Heather. A caller asks Sonja what the outcome of her divorce was and Sonja says that she and her ex-husband are talking and are trying to work things out. Hopefully she does soon and can move on. Cat loves that Sonja didn’t care about Aviva’s apology and Sonja says she accepted it but moved on and they will not be friends. Cat is loving Sonja.

The name of the game is “Will Sonja Bone Ya?” Cat describes the celebrity male on the screen and Sonja has to say whether or not she would do him. Sonja would apparently get with Mel Gibson but not Mitt Romney.  Sonja was very slow on the game and it was clear they were running out of time and Andy had to pretty much answer for her.

Before cutting to commercial, Andy aired a promo for RHOBH that was all the ladies walking through Beverly Hills with their winter best on as everything freezes around them. I loved it and think its interesting RHOBH gets a staged promo and other casts do not. Guess we’ll see if Atlanta gets one! Maybe it’s a new thing or is Bravo playing favorites?

Cat thinks Aviva is hypocritical by criticizing Sonja and Ramona yet supporting her father’s disgusting behavior. Others have brought this point up before and Cat gives Andy the sign to AXE Aviva from the show. I love it!!

Andy’s Mazel goes to Christina Aguilera who actually called into the show. She talks about her new song (which Andy loves). Andy asks Shag, Marry, Kill? with her Voice costars and Christina says she will answer when she’s on the show which Andy doesn’t seem to think will ever happen. Andy asks about how she feels about Britney and Mariah getting into the judging scene but she dances around the question and doesn’t answer. Apparently Christina is a huge housewives fan and Sonja says she was inspired by Christina’s burlesque show. Somebody needs to get her on the show! No Jackhole tonight, no time!

Ramona wins the poll with 73%…. that is what Andy would consider a landslide.

In case you wanted to hear Sonja’s new jingle, here you go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FDUx3e5ylc

(This was the WWHL that Lynn was invited to, so it was a difficult one to watch.  NMD)

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Packed blog today.  Thank you to all our bloggers!!  What a great bunch of contributors we have!!  Million Dollar Decorators is coming back.  Anyone with interest in blogging a design show – let me know!  I remember Season 1 as begin pretty good.

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Lynn’s family would like to remind us about the College Fund for Lynn’s son

Lynn’s Son’s College Fund at Barrington Bank Account # 530037912 ABA # 071925651 Robert Smith. Please give from your hearts My sister gave from hers !! Barrington Bank is located at 201 S. Hough Street Barrington Illinois 60010 God Bless you all and enjoy watching the fireworks tonite ! Love Cathy

 

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Just a housewife ... who loves this place .... and loves to write ... You can reach me through this email: nomoredrama8@gmail.com. Lynn's Place is in tribute to Housewives blogger Lynn Hudson, who passed away in August of 2012.
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727 Responses to Bethenny Frankel Calls Teresa Giudice Vile and Congratulates Herself for Selecting Aviva Drescher / RHONY / Gallery Girls / Basketball Wives / WWHL

  1. Powell says:

    Good morning everyone. It’s a little cool this A.M. I hope you have a good day.

  2. Great blog, but I’m baffled as to what Jill Zarin was Tweeting about. No gifts before a baby is born? Since when? Has anyone here ever heard that “rule” before?

    The woman proves she’s an idiot with every Tweet. I wonder, before Ally was born, did Jill reject gifts for the baby because it wasn’t “proper”? Don’t think so.

    • I know – what is wrong with her. Jill Z is the gift that keeps on giving with her desperation to remain relevant.

    • BB says:

      I’m not sure but I think it’s a Jewish tradition. Some families don’t even decorate the nursery until the mom goes to the hospital to deliver and friends/family get the nursery ready before mom and baby come home.

      • cusi77 says:

        If I recall well, in Season 3 JZ sent Bethenny a text message about not telling she is pregnant after the 3rd. month, according to the Jewish tradition… I guess they don’t use to have Baby Shower parties…And Yes, JZ is desperate to stay relevant!

        • Well, not announcing the pregnancy until after the first trimester, aside from being Jewish custom, is pretty common because the chances of miscarriage are higher in the first trimester. But I stand corrected on the other-I wasn’t aware of the Jewish custom about gifts and the nursery. Still, I somehow doubt that Jill Zarin devoutly subscribed to the practice when she was offered gifts by her non Jewish friends.

        • mkvalle says:

          I think there was something about not setting up the nursery until the baby was born on Rachel Zoe when she was having her baby. Maybe I’m mistaken, Rachel is sort of wacky so I may have misinterpreted the whole scene.

      • Maryla says:

        Right BB — just Jewish tradition. Some think it is bad luck to have anything baby in the house before the baby comes home. Just custom, not Jewish law. I think there is something about attracting the evil eye. In more conservative circles, you don’t even say the baby’s name, don’t bring in baby items, don’t fix up the nursery. Taboo. Maybe that is what happened to Aviva. Her parents said her name and an evil spirit overtook her soul.

        On the other hand, for anyone who has lost a pregnancy and returned home to a decorated nursery—that custom probably seems like a good one.

      • plainviewsue says:

        Hey all. I am jewish, and I had a baby shower before my son was born. In fact, I had two showers, one thrown by my mom and one thrown by my office.

        Before Jeffrey (who is now 26!!) was born I went with my mom to pick out a layette and we picked one for a boy and one for a girl. It wasn’t delivered until after I gave birth. Also, the baby furniture was delivered after I gave birth.

        Having said that, Jill shut up.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      Yes I’ve heard this before. It’s supposed to be bad luck to give gifts, ‘just in case’. In our culture we have a party AFTER the baby is born instead of a baby shower before.

      • RealHousewifeVA says:

        I’d like to add, I did have a baby shower when I was pregnant with my son, after having 2 girls, and lots of my close relatives didn’t come because they didn’t want to jinx the baby. LOL. I’m very ‘americanized’ mentality, so I don’t believe in that stuff, but a lot of people do. They didn’t do it in a mean way, just their own belief system that you shouldn’t celebrate a birth before the baby is born.

        • cusi77 says:

          RealHousewifeVA_ I think it makes sense… I was so hurt because my MIL didn’t mention I was pregnant or gave anything to my son before he was born.

          • RealHousewifeVA says:

            Did she do it out of superstition or just to be mean? lol. Of course we acknowledge the pregnancy, but usually wait until the 3rd month. I’ve never announced any of my pregnancies before the 12 weeks was up. But after that, it’s sort of hard to pretend it doesn’t exist, lol. I’ve always been one to find out the sex and prepare beforehand, but I understand why some people don’t.

      • Orson says:

        I learned my lesson the time I saw a woman I hadn’t seen for a while and commented on her pregnancy. As it turned out, she wasn’t pregnant and had just gained weight. From then on, unless the woman brings it up, I refrain from comment until I see a newborn.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          My gay husband did that. He was mortified when the woman told him she had her “baby” 5 years ago. He now takes your position of saying nothing until he sees an actual baby.

    • Susan says:

      It is a Jewish tradition not to do anything before a baby is born. My mother wouldn’t let me have one thing in the house until the baby came home. Everything was ordered and then delivered after the birth. We had a baby party after the baby came home in place of a shower. Just recently Jewish women have started having showers. I do not like Jill but she was just being a Jewish mother. (and looking to keep her name in the public, lol)

    • Ren says:

      I’ve always adhered to the no talking about it before the three month rule but no gifts before a baby is born? She just needs to say something . That’s all

  3. Tracyshea says:

    Great blog. I must say last nights show was full of drama but somehow I didn’t enjoy it. Aviva is so delusional it make me have diarrhea!

  4. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    Good Morning!
    So happy Detox is back-I don’t watch Basketball Wives but -no matter-so happy to have Detox back with us!!
    BB-I wanted to thank you for finishing out NJ-I know it wasn’t easy for you but you did a wonderful job-I know you are ALL working so hard to keep this blog going and you are ALL doing spectacular-thank you!!!
    Now on to Aviva…what a piece of work!!! Who the hell made her the judge, jury and ruler over Ramona and Sonja??
    I dont care if Ramona and Sonja slept naked in St. Baths every night. I dont care if they drank their asses off and danced on tables.I dont care if they are carrying on some illicit loves affair with each other(which Im so sure they are not). I dont care care!! They bring it on this show and have some good old fashioned FUN!!! I love them together-they laugh-they comfort each other-they are true friends. Aviva needs to but the hell out and mind her business. She sounds like she is jealous and prissy and entitled and just plain rude!!!!
    Who the hell is Aviva to say all of that to Ramona? None of the things she brought up have any baring on her own life. If she wanted to lay into Ramona she should have stuck to Ramona wanting to throw Reid out-at least that was something that had to do with her. All the other stuff is not her concern. She wanted to make Ramona look stupid but instead she looked like an ass…a crazy ass!!!
    George…George is gross. “Incest is best”…really???? How crude. How can Aviva worry about Ramona and Sonja being inappropriate when she is the off-spring of the King of inappropriate???? Why would she send her gross father to Ramona’s charity event that involves abused women? How could she possibly think that this was a good idea? I think she sent him knowing he would behave like an ass and rile up Ramona!!!!
    I think Im over Carole-I used to think that she was letting us in on the “joke” but now I get the feeling that she thinks she is too good for this show.
    My friend Tyler was the bar tender on WWHL last night-I didnt really get any info from him except-Andy was very nice and chatty-he signed his book for Tyler. The club house is very small and Cat is really nice. “Sonja in the City” is planning Cat’s book release party and Sonja and Cat get along great.
    Thanks for the great blog today.

    • Obsessed with RH says:

      Absolutely. I don’t know WHERE Aviva gets off being so self-righteous. She has some nerve talking down to Ramona. I hate to bring this up but the Countess was right, “money can’t buy you class,” and AVIPER is the perfect example of that. Her and her asshat of a father….he disgusts me, and HE and his vitriolic daughter are a true example of white trash.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      Thanks, Jill. (*Waving*). 😀

      With regard to Aviva, you said everything that was in my head last night as I watched the episode. She is MEAN as a cobra and totally MENTAL.

  5. RealHousewifeVA says:

    Good morning! I haven’t read the entire blog yet, but I have to ask if anyone else is having problems getting into this blog? Everytime I type in lynnfam.wordpress.com it will not allow me to get in. It’s been going on since yesterday afternoon. The only way I was able to get in now was by clicking the link from NMD’s twitter account. Anyone else having this problem?

  6. Exit4 says:

    Sorry to say but Jill is right in this one! Most Jewish people don’t give gifts, have showers it even decorate a nursery before a baby is born. They do it after. It’s considered extremely bad luck to do otherwise! Andy should know this! Bad Jew!

    • ATLnNYC09 says:

      Its interesting how cultures celebrate the birth of children. My niece is half asian (and half black) and her asian family doesnt even really celebrate the birth of the child (with presents, gifts and money) until the 1st birthday.

      • Birdwoman says:

        That is interesting. My old exercise teacher, who is ethnically Chinese but her family came from Vietnam, said that they wait until the baby is about 6 weeks-2 months old then have a party for the baby. She told me that reason for that was in case the baby died or the mother died. However, we did have a baby shower for her.

    • dch60 says:

      I’ve been to baby showers where the mother-to-be was Jewish. I wouldn’t say “bad Jew”… you sound as bad as Jill! Just kidding!!! Don’t hit me… I’m only kidding. But what some may practice, others may not. It may have to do with just how Americanized the woman and/or her family may be. I don’t know if Cat is Jewish but if she isn’t, I don’t think it’s a big deal to give a gift. Especially since it was obviously done for television.

    • Ren says:

      I’m Jewish , never heard that before in
      My life

  7. trudie says:

    Good morning all! Thanks for the wonderful blogs.

    Just returned Saturday night from Tuscany. It was a trip with another couple that was years in the making, and it was fabulous. Before we left, my oldest daughter texted me saying that if I and Mrs. G (my friend) turned into Ramona and Sonja on the trip, she would die happy. Well, we didn’t skinny dip in our pool and we didn’t sleep in the same bed, but I am sure we exhibited behavior that would make Adiva cringe. Bottom line: we were on vacation, had no kids with us and were having fun! That’s what life is about. We work hard and we play hard. That’s what makes getting up in the morning back at home easier – the prospect of more great trips like this.

  8. lori says:

    I missed WWHL…did Cat mention Lynn? I cannot believe that Aviva didn’t at any point realize her Father wasn’t going to come off very well and stop his filming. Incest is best??? What kind of sick sh%t is that?!?!

    • cusi77 says:

      No. Cat did not mention Lynn… I was hoping for her to do it… It was painful to watch and think that Lynn was so excited for being invited to this WWH.. Was Wsl there? Someone knows?

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      I’m surprised she didn’t mention Lynn…I’m watching the After Show now to see if she mentions her on there, but it doesn’t look like it.

      • I Need A Life! says:

        I think it’s fair to stop blogging about Cohen and his show.

        • RealHousewifeVA says:

          I’ll be honest, I never expected Andy to give Lynn a mazel. Andy clearly holds a grudge (Teresa anyone?) and I don’t think he ever forgave Lynn for the Miami Boycott movement. I’m still convinced it’s one of the reasons they brought the season back- to ‘prove’ something to the bloggers. But I really thought Cat would slip something in tonight, especially since Lynn was supposed to be her guest 😦

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            I honestly never expected Andy to give Lynn a maxel either. I agree that he is probably holding a grudge for Lynn’s participation in the boycott of Season 1 of RHOM. I also think he (and others at BRAVO, probably) felt that Lynn’s blog provided an open forum for the viewers of BRAVO shows to let the world know their TRUE opinions about Housewives’ cast members and their behavior. It also provided a forum for the viewers to get behind-the-scenes information that basically “called B.S.” on BRAVO’s agendas, manipulation of timelines, manipulation of scenes and biased editing. And it provided a forum for people to discuss how their comments were either NOT getting through on the BRAVO blogs, OR, if they GOT through, were actually edited to fit the BRAVO storyline/bias (and NOT the actual opinion of the commenter).

            I am so happy Lynn started that movement and opened the door for other bloggers to do the same.

        • mkvalle says:

          I never thought Andy would mention Lynn. Sorry folks, as much as we loved Lynn, I don’t think her blog was that relevant in the whole Bravo world. Maybe, if he hadn’t been on vacation when she passed, or if he had returned to the show within the week, we would have heard a mazel.

          • mrs. peabody says:

            I agree with you 200%. I know everyone loved her but in reality she was just another blogger blogging away. To expect them to mention a blogger just because she is well liked and happens to pass away is really expecting alot from a tv talk show. Sorry but true.

            • lovemamaearth says:

              I would have quit watching Bravo the year of B’s and JZ’s fight if not for Lynn keeping our complaints public, giving us a place to voice our outrage.

        • TexasTart says:

          ITA. How’s about a poll?!

    • plainviewsue says:

      Knowing how wonderful Cat is, I am sure she wanted to bring up Lynn.

      Lynn would have loved that WWHL. I watched it twice, cos I just loved what Cat had to say! No filter; love her!

      When she said Lulu had no storyline about Johnny Depp and how the first 4 eps were boring, I was hysterical! And the comment about Carole being a princess yet saying butt f*cking, priceless!!!!

  9. WindyCityWondering says:

    Bethenny is one sharp lady – Aviper was needed for the crazy, entitled, JZesque asshat villainess or the retooled RHNY would be boring – and Bethenny delivered. AvivaDiva is the perfect cross of JZ and KKB (mean and crazy). Besides, LuAnn needed someone to continue her war with Ramona (truces are for pussies) and getting Aviva to try to break up the dynamic duo has been fun to watch. As for the 80 year old perverted, digusting turd – not funny, not acceptable and not forgiveable.

    • cusi77 says:

      Mi Windy_ Loving the Aviper perfect cross! Mean and crazy! Haa!

    • Eastbayca says:

      My take on Bethenny on the whole Aviva thing:
      Bethenny probably encouraged Andy to add Aviva to the cast, am sure she thought just like I did that Aviva is normal and has an interesting story to tell.
      Apparently, Aviva had been trying to get on the show since its inception which is probably another reason she might be mad at Sonja. As Sonja was courted by Andy to join the show while Aviva was begging.
      I am over Carole!
      From the previews it looks like Aviva is still on her rampage (SIX episodes she is wailing like a banshee over nothing) ….I will not be watching next week, after this season of RHONY the housewives and I are DONE.

      • I Need A Life! says:

        I’m personally over Bethenny. I’m over Aviva’s leg. No more, please. Just not fun. It’s like listening to my mother…all night. It’s not drama to me. It’s one sour note being played over and over. AND why find Tre to be vile and not Aviva? Without Tre there’s no drama in Jersey. Tre’s right, the skinny stuff tastes bland.

        • catmom1 says:

          Slightly OT. I tried the SKinnygirl margarita. As it is, over ice, it’s foul. However, if you mix in a teaspoon of honey (20 calories and worth every one), it’s not half bad. Became my summer drink. I’d nuke the honey slightly first so it would blend with the mix.

          • MamaZ says:

            I still like Bethenny but wondered why she feels the need to tweet about Teresa and Aviva. It seems petty.

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              Very petty. Bethenny has risen above and left the Housewives far behind. She should continue to act like it.

              There is no love lost between Bethenny and Teresa because Teresa took offense to some of the things Bethenny said about her when Bethenny blogged about Season 1 of RHONJ. Jill also made sure to befriend Teresa and other housewives before the Season when she turned into “The Wicked Witch” and give them HER side about how awful Bethenny had been to her.

              I remember Teresa took Jill’s side AT FIRST; however, I also remember Teresa blogging (because she was allowed to blog about that particular season of RHONY, just like Bethenny had been allowed to blog about Season 1 of RHONJ), after a particular episode, that she did not know that Bethenny had NO idea about Bobby’s cancer, and that made her view things differently and change her opinion a bit. She basically said that she was still Jill’s friend, but she felt that Jill judged Bethenny too harshly and failed to tell the whole story about Bethenny’s behavior.

              Then the two of them (Bethenny and Teresa) took catty, passive-aggressive digs at each other afterward. It’s stupid, IMO.

              Bethenny, IMO, is also VERY competitive. She has got Teresa beaten by MILES. Despite that, however, Teresa has managed — like Bethenny — to build a brand and make the most of her Housewives’ platform. I could be wrong, but I feel like it “irritates” Bethenny a little bit because of her dislike for Teresa.

              I like Bethenny, but seeing the nasty and dismissive way she has treated her in-laws at times and seeing her own ADMITTED lack of real “family” growing up, I think she should stay out of the business of judging others and how they behave with their OWN families. JMHO.

              • E says:

                ITA…I feel sorry for Jason’s parents and really for Jason.
                I also tried Bethenny’s SKM and thought it was awful. I wrote about it here and Lynn (miss her) told me to try keep in freezer. I did try and it did help a little but I didn’t buy another bottle.

                • Sus says:

                  Oh yeah! I really liked Bethenny up until she acted like Jason’s parents were Atilla the Hun because they wanted to love on their granddaughter. No one will love your kids like a grandparent. Not every kid has it, but if they do, it’s something that lasts a lifetime. Sniff, I miss my Grandma.
                  Fox didn’t carry her show here for the test. I’ll try it out when it comes on. Honestly though, I’m really picky on talk shows. I came home from school and watched Phil Donahue with my mother every day. Then Oprah. I don’t like cooking segments, craft segments and the celebrity of the day kind of shows.

                  • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

                    I loved BOTH my grandmothers because they both spoiled me rotten. I was closer to one of them because I lived near her, though. So, I spent almost every weekend at her house, and she loved having me. I still think about her ALL the time. I hope Bethenny softens up and allows Bryn to have that.

                    It looks to me like Bethenny could NOT have found 2 NICER people to have as In-Laws. She should be GRATEFUL, IMO.

                    Also, I think Bethenny would empathize/sympathize with Teresa a little more if her own estranged Mother joined Bethenny’s show behind her back and went around alienating Bethenny from all her castmates with nasty stories about her. Just sayin’.

                    • Sus says:

                      That’s so nice Detx 🙂
                      Bethenny’s mom joining one of the RH shows? OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!!!
                      See, I’m a horrible, horrible person. My Grandma would be tsk tsking right now. I spent a lot of time with mine growing up. I even ended up with her during a semester in college when I decided I wanted to drop out. I spent my time polishing silver, serving and playing bridge with 70-90 year old ladies. After the beat downs I received from those ladies, I hotfooted my butt back to school.

              • rabblerouser2010R says:

                You would think that Bethanny knowing what it’s like to have family come out of the wood work to try and make a name off of you that she would be a bit more sympathetic to Teresa.

        • Ren says:

          Totallly not resonating with this. There’s nothing sour or one note about bethenny at all but plenty about Teresa and aviva .

  10. Eastbayca says:

    Great blog as usual….
    ” Aviva further tells Ramona she saw Ramonja nekkid in bed when Carole opened the door to show her.”
    Correction it was Heather not Carole whom Aviva mentioned as her partner in crime….

    Off to finish the rest of the blog.

    • BB says:

      Thanks for the correction. There was so much flying back and forth I couldn’t catch it all. I think Heather tweeted that wasn’t true, didn’t she?

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Why on earth were they opening doors on each other, anyway! That’s just not right — like they’re trying to catch each other in something embarrassing? Ew.

      • thedesigndiva2 says:

        they would have to WALK INTO THE ROOM to see them in bed…remember..the wall is curved and the bed is NOT visible from the door…..

    • klmh says:

      So Heather said ADiva was lying when she accused Ramona and Sonja of sleeping in the nude together?

  11. Birdwoman says:

    Melissa Gorga is trending on Yahoo right now. That should make her day…LOL!

  12. JenFromCincy says:

    I feel like I’m entering the Twilight Zone this morning. I actually enjoyed LuAnn on the show last night, and Carole who I used to love is coming off as a wishy-washy mess. It doesn’t have to be an all or nothing Team Whomever, but the way she was defending Aviva to Ramona boggled my mind. I don’t see anything defensible about how Aviva has acted since she deplaned in St. Barth’s.

    I wonder if Carole and Heather still feel the same today, or if they could time travel they’d feel the need to come to Ramona’s defense more?

    • BB says:

      I don’t know. Maybe Carole and Heather, being the new girls with Aviva, felt that Ramona could defend herself. Not saying they were right, just trying to see where they may have been coming from. At least Heather had the nerve to try to correct Aviva, even if she wasn’t successful at it. Carole and Heather even enabled Aviva’s behavior to some extent, although they probably didn’t realize it at the time.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Carole and Heather are both intelligent and observant – both tried to reason with and have compassion for Aviper and Ramona. Neither listened to them! As for them escorting the George out of the charity – that was for Ramona’s benefit not his and they were coddling the old goat because they were trying to keep the casino to a minimum. IMO, that nasty old turd has been escorted out of many venues because of his inappropriate behavior.

      • Yes- didn’t Ramona even say she appreciated it. It seems like dad was trying to get a little more screen time. He just wouldn’t leave no matter what they did. I also thought Ramona was very patient with him for quite a while, until he just wouldn’t leave it alone. He was very rude. Who goes up to a virtual stranger at their party and demands an apology for someone else?

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          To use Aviva’s term: “White Trash” (goes up to a virtual stranger at their party and demands and apology for someone else).

      • MamaZ says:

        I think both Heather and Carole are trying to behave like civilized adults. It may come off as playing both sides of the fence but IMO they are trying to look at both sides of the issue and reason with the others instead of fling into crazy tantrums. Heather has really grown on me. She is currently my new favorite Housewife.
        I thought LuAnn was ok last night too. Except for the comment about the walls being bare. Face palm! But for the love of God can someone give her a makeover?
        Aviva is a big disappointment. I really enjoyed her at first but now she annoys me to no end.

        • LaineyLainey says:

          She fooled me, too, Mamaz. She couldn’t keep the crazy girl hidden for long.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            As soon as Aviva SCREAMED “IT’S ABOUT THE CHILDREN WITH MISSING LEGS” and Sonja and Ramona, I knew right then and there that Aviva was batsh*t crazy! I know I keep saying this, but I immediately thought of Joan Crawford (Faye Dunaway) completely “losing it” over wire hangers.

            • catmom1 says:

              Totally agree. Kept thinking Aviva was channeling Joan, again, at the brunch in that outfit. Looked very 40’s. All she needed was some serious shoulder pads, change in hair color, and presto changeo……here’s Johnny….er, Joan.

            • LaineyLainey says:

              Ya never know what’s gonna trigger their rage….and once they’ve let loose then it’s a veritable rage fest.

            • MM in OC says:

              Ok. Is it just me or was avivas charity event the worst ever?? Even at charity walks i end up walking 400 mtrs versus the 5 k i signed up for. Major fail! Who wants to do an f-ing spiining class – lame.
              I totally want to vacation with ramona and sonJa. Who wants to hang with the killjoy that is adiva!

        • Boobah says:

          That’s how I feel too – Aviva is a disappointment. She had the pontential to be interesting and informative. The latter being a whole new concept for Bravo. 🙂

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          I now officially like Heather. It took a while for me to warm up to her, and I was wary. But I like her now.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      Oh my God, I actually LIKED LuAnn a little bit when she was with Sonja. I should have checked outside my window last night to see if there were pigs flying in the sky. I have NEVER liked LuAnn. In fact, I think I’ve kinda LOATHED her most of the time.

      She WAS a very good and comforting friend to Sonja last night, though. I hate to admit that, but I must be fair.

      • 1969sus says:

        Hee, I felt the same way about Lumann last night. SonJa’s divorce problems have softened me towards her too. I read that Mr Morgan is 80 years old. He could die before this is settled. Maybe that would be a good thing. His heirs will want to dump SonJa quick so they’ll cough up the cash quicker than that old man.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Good point! I actually almost cried for Sonja last night because I felt so sorry for her. I was glad to actually see her admit that she had been having a tough time letting go of the past, and that she was now ready to (FINALLY) move forward with her life.

  13. kendo says:

    Really don’t understand why George is on the show. He’s come across as a perverted old man who may have molested his own daughter. There has to be some explanation for all of her crazy. Sorry, I just keep getting this icky feeling when he’s on screen. Wouldn’t surprise me if someone (besides the women on the show) comes forward that he’s touched inappropriately. Really hope he’s not left alone with children.

    • catmom1 says:

      Same here, I just feel like I need to take a really hot soapy shower after I see him. Ick, he is just so smarmy. Just watching him makes me feel soiled, can’t imagine being around him in person.

    • lori says:

      There is no question in my mind that Aviva and her dad have a very unhealthy relationship. The way he speaks to her and about her is revolting. The fact that she doesn’t seem all the phased by his words is both telling and sad.

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        ITA.

      • Called A Princess... says:

        I am not sure how Adiva is suppose to deal with her father. He should not be on the show but I blame Andy and Bravo for that one. Andy seems to have a pervy sense of humor so he does not get a pass with this edit. I think that maybe they all think sexual aggression is a big joke. It is not. IMO.

        • Sus says:

          If it turns out that George has a mental issue I will retract the mean things I’ve said about him. I will however double my hate for Aviva for allowing her father to be on TV when his elevator isn’t going all the way to the top.

          • Called A Princess... says:

            Well, one thing Adiva is not, and that is a doctor! Bravo has proven time and time again, that they do not care about peoples personal welfare. They are in charge of the edit and have the resource to figure out if a character is mentally healthy enough to be on the show. Bravo and Andy, more often then not, get this huge pass on humanitarian responsibility. Something is broken! IMO.

  14. LaineyLainey says:

    Why is Bethenny taking credit (so proudly) for sticking us all with the trainwreck that is AVIVA.

    • I Need A Life! says:

      Because B wants us to know that EVERYTHING she does is perfection.

      • Ren says:

        I need a life , where did that come from? Since when has b ever been perfect or presented herself as anything other than a very human , very flawed human being being

    • Cartwheels says:

      Because it making the ratings go up and that is all Bravo cares about. 🙂

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      Thank You, Lainey! When I heard Bethenny said that, I immediately thought, “Fruit basket? How ’bout you get a horse’s head delivered to your bed ‘Godfather’ style for subjecting the cast members and the viewers to that VILE NUTBASKET?!?! I’ve got your fruit basket, alright. AS IF!”

    • Ça va says:

      I didn’t get that Bethenny was proudly taking credit. Her comment read more like she was being self deprecating and kicking herself in the ass for the role she played in recommending ADD. She probably never imagined in her wildest dreams that ADD was so psycho. Hence the fruit basket comment. (I made a similar comment below)

      • LaineyLainey says:

        Yes, I failed to see the humor at the time. She leads with sarcasm. I’m usually no slouch in that dept. brain fart.

      • Ren says:

        That’s what I got too ca va. Five years of watching someone share their life and thoughts , you kind of get their sense of humor

  15. catmom1 says:

    Good morning. It’s chilly and wet here, brrrrr, had to turn on the furnace. Great blogs. I might be in the minority, but I don’t have a problem with Ramona calling Harry to ask him about Aviva. Harry and Ramona are good friends, so it’s not as if she’s calling an ex she hardly knows to pump him for dirt on Aviva. I think that if I had experienced someone like Aviva and was wondering WTH was up with this crazy woman, I’d call or meet with whoever I knew best who could give me some insight into the craziness. In this case it was Harry.

    • zoey1234 says:

      I agree with you Catsmom, since Harry and Ramona are friends, it makes sense for her to call him.

    • The Tin Man says:

      I don’t blame Ramona for calling Harry either especially if they really are good friends, but that begs the question if they are such good friends why would Harry tell Aviva about the phone call?

      • LaineyLainey says:

        To get under the first layer of Aviva’s reptilian skin?

      • catmom1 says:

        I could see him mentioning it in passing, and Aviva taking a mention into crazytown/Avivaland and turning it into a casino. Who knows? Could have happened that way.

      • thedesigndiva2 says:

        Maybe Aviva called harry to vent about Ramona and harry came to Ramona’s defense and let it slip that she had called out of concern for aviva….????
        Aviva should have joined a convent….

        • catmom1 says:

          Oooh, I like that theory. What do you have against the nuns?

          • thedesigndiva2 says:

            Catmom1…LOL..nothing against nuns…I went to catholic school and had my fair share of busted knuckles from them…
            If I could only find a pic of a nun I had you all would bust a gut..She LOOKED exactly like AVIVA….have to call my sister and see if she has it…

          • zoey1234 says:

            Lol! I don’t think Adiva could ever obey the vow of silence, she would explode first!

    • Lady Chatterley says:

      I agree, I don’t see anything inappropriate in Ramona asking Harry about his experience w/Aviva’s phobias – he’s a friend of hers. I also think it was probably appropriate for him to preemptively tell Aviva that they had discussed it – imagine the casino if (when) Ramona spilled this discussion in a heated moment. Adiva would have gone on a serious rampage.

      • MamaZ says:

        Calling her friend and discussing his ex isn’t so bad. But Ramona has no tact whatsoever and it’s possible the call turned uncomfortable for Harry. And she may have crossed a line in what she asked.
        But Harry is an adult and could have ended the conversation at any point. Or even said from the first that he wasn’t going to discuss his ex wife with Ramona.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      I did not see a problem with Ramona calling Harry either.

      Haven’t you ever had an experience with a crazy person where you start to doubt yourself and wonder if maybe you DID actually do something wrong like the crazy person vehemently told you that you DID? Well, I have.

      On a couple of occasions, I did reach out to a mutual acquaintance to help me decide if I was imagining things or actually did something wrong (like the crazy person told me I did). 98% of the time, the person I’ve called has said, “Oh, so now you know he/she is crazy too, right? I wanted you to make your OWN judgment about him/her. Now that you are calling, I can tell you that, No, it is NOT you. He/She is certifiable.” And then, I’m like, “Gee, thanks for letting me know that I am not losing my mind!”

      • Eve says:

        My first thought was Harry was probably trying to get under Aviva’s skin….not trying to ‘tattle’ on Ramona

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Oh, you’re probably right about that. After seeing how Aviva operates, I’m sure, on some level, Harry hates her with a passion he must disguise for the sake of their son.

  16. Cartwheels says:

    My take on the Bethenny’s tweet, she has said several times that she doesn’t have time to watch the show and she sees an episode or snippets every now and then, being that she already doesn’t have the best opinion of Teresa after her infortunate comments about SGCocktails and the way Bravo has edited the episodes to make Teresa look like a monster, I won’t hold that against her.

    Regarding the recommendation of Aviva, I think Bethenny recommended Aviva based on her impressive resume: lawyer who decides to be a SHM, graduate from Vassar who speaks several languages, amputee who is fashionable and comes from money. Aviva looked like the total package.

    The fact that Aviva has turned into a lunatic who is so off the rails and has made this season less boring than it was at the beginning, I think that neither Bethenny nor Andy saw that coming. It has been great for Bravo in the sense that ir has improved the RHNY ratings and that is all Bravo cares about, so all in all Aviva has been a good investment.

    She is crazy and I can’t stand her but right now she has become the perfect antagonist for Ramona and Sonja. I love when either Sonia or Ramona tell her off, it is my secret turn on, LOL

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      Bethanny and Teresa have disliked eachother for years. T was on the Jill bandwagon during Season 3 of NY, and if I remember correctly she used to blog about it for Bravo and was always mean about Bethenny. It didn’t help when Teresa basically followed in B’s footsteps with her “Skinny Italian” cookbook after B had taken off with Skinnygirl…the cocktails was just the topping on the B-T fued cake.

      And I agree about Aviva’s craziness bringing new life to the show. All Bravo cares about is the numbers, and the fact is that it was boring in the beginning. St Bart’s changed the course of the show.

      • PJ says:

        Drama may be good but when things go to the dark side it goes downhill and then viewers tune out. Adiva may bring ratings for awhile but her darkness will eventually become too much (it already is). It took JZ a couple of seasons to bring things down to the level they got to before she was escorted out of the Bravo party. Adiva has already gone so low how much lower can she go? At least there were a couple of seasons where JZ was fun to watch along with the drama. Adiva is not fun to watch in any scene, even scenes where she could be. Watching selfish, spoiled women like Adiva make complete fools of themselves can only go so far.

        If this is a calculated move on Adiva’s part to bring drama to the show she is taking it too far. It just may be calculated on Adiva’s part, she certainly picked the right person to go after. The problem with this is that Adiva is making Ramona into a sympathetic character that viewers can feel for. Then there is Adiva’s father, he is just wrong, wrong, wrong on all levels. If Adiva hoped to turn this into the George and Adiva show she is making mistakes that will cost her.

        Carole is wearing on me, she needs to take a stand. But then again when these shows are filmed the other cast members don’t really see the interactions between people unless they are there for filming so she wouldn’t really know how bad Adiva was to Ramona, or the lies Adiva is spreading. Still I find it difficult to believe that Carole is real friends with Adiva. Heather is growing on me.

        BTW the first person to suggest that Loo Loo was looking for a story line with the pirate was Alex in her RF blog. So yes Cat said it on WWHL but she was not the first to suggest that it was a possibility.

      • scorpiosue1102 says:

        RHoVA you are correct about T blogging about RHONY during the Jill and B feud season. Teresa was NOT nice in her People blogs when she was talking about Bethenny. There is definitely no love lost between these two.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      Hi Cartwheels – it wasn’t just the skinny girl diss. It was from years ago when Tre took the blogs to write horrible things about Bethenny back when Jill thought she had established herself as the Queen Bee of NY. Teresa bet on the wrong horsy didn’t she? Silly women, they didn’t know yet, that it isn’t about you it’s about EDITING and the ratings. We were all so innocent back then.

      • T-Rex says:

        Yep, yet another reason I hate Teresa, she was all about TeamLUNATIC and did say some very mean things about Bethenny at the time. Again, for the life of me, I can’t understand why folks are giving a pass to the AssHatTeresa this season, she caused most of her OWN problems and she is getting even close to what she deserves. Again, go talk to the people that have not been paid ONE DIME towards the bills they owe, trust me, having been on the end of someone I did work for and didn’t pay while they went on with their life, and onto spending more dollars, it’s infuriating. I checked they have not made a payment towards their debtors according to what I have read they are still working out payment agreements and such, so they are spending money that should be going to pay their debts. They are what we call in my business bonafide “DEADBEAT”

        • scorpiosue1102 says:

          I don’t understand the love for Teresa either. Teresa has gone after Bethenny. Teresa has gone after Danielle. Flipping table is NOT normal behavior for anyone. Teresa has lied to a FEDERAL court yet we are supposed to believe what she says about everyone else on the show ?!?! If she can lie to a federal court she can lie about and to anyone. She’s all love, love, love and she works soooooo hard. People are supposed to work hard because we have bills to pay and mouths to feed. Not everyone spends to the the tune of $11 million and then waits for payment agreements before paying. Sheesh.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            It’s not Teresa love. It’s a reaction to her being ganged up on. Being outnumbered. Being treated unfairly by Andy, by the producers. It’s a reaction to bullying; not Teresa love. She’s not perfect; far from it. But neither are any of the others. We all know how horrible she has been in the past. Ironically, she has also been a big bully and believe me, she wasn’t on anyone’s lovelist back then either. It’s more of an anti-bully sentiment here, than true Teresa love. I have seen that She does have fans that are blind to her faults but I don’t normally see too many of them here. If you’re going to be disgusted by something, I hope it’s not your fellow commenters, I hope your disdainful comment is not directed at me; because it hurts my feelings. not really.

            • MamaZ says:

              I understnd why Bethenny would dislike Teresa. But honestly I think B needs to distance herself from the Housewives franchise now.
              Her tweet about Teresa made her look petty IMO.

            • T-Rex says:

              Lainey, no it’s not personal towards anyone on the boards, it’s just so weird I guess for me to read the blogs with Teresa was with TeamBully from day one, then all of sudden tables get turned and it’s now TeresaTime. Lainey, there have been some that truly believe that Teresa is the “victim” here, and I don’t buy it for one second. But hey that’s just me, and I heart everyone here, it’s only HW on reality shows that I dislike, HA

              • LaineyLainey says:

                Thanks for that T-rex. 🙂 The feeling is mutual. I really do understand the anti-Teresa sentiment, too. I haven’t forgotten all the things she did.

              • scorpiosue1102 says:

                Right. I am not against anyone on the blog. I just have a problem when Teresa was part of the bullying group regarding Danielle yet when she is ganged up on it is terrible. It’s all terrible. I just don’t think that she is innocent at all. Again I’ll say, anyone that will lie to a Federal court cannot make me believe they are innocent with anything else.

              • MamaZ says:

                T-Rex – This is why you aren’t Houswife material. You can get along with and enjoy the company of people who disagree with you! You can have a discussion without name calling or lashing out. Nope, you are never going to be a Housewife. That’s a compliment BTW!

          • PJ says:

            We don’t really know Teresa lied to a federal court because we have no idea what Teresa knew and didn’t know. We can at best speculate. To Teresa’s credit she withdrew from the bankruptcy and agreed to pay the debts herself and has been working hard to do that. But I can see she gets no credit for that. Teresa didn’t spend to the tune of 11 million, it has been stated that most of the debts were business losses which probably had nothing to do with Teresa. A smart person would wait for payment agreements, how else could you pay that debt off? I venture to say anyone in the same boat would do the same so making Teresa into a bad person for doing that is wrong.

            As to the table flipping this show has some scripting, so how do you know that wasn’t being directed and was part of what Teresa’s character was supposed to do in that scene? This show is NOT real reality. These people are playing characters, they were cast in a role.

            If you want to know about others on this show look into their background. There has been plenty written about the Manzo’s skeletons. What about the Laurita’s? I have read that they are also in trouble and may have to file bankruptcy; and some of the things I’ve read are as bad as what you say about Teresa. Does Jac work? So why is only Teresa singled out on behavior everyone appears to be guilty of on this show?

            • scorpiosue1102 says:

              Regarding the table flipping, if she was asked to do it she can easily say no. Honestly, I don’t think that is the case. I really doubt her pushing Andy was something that was planned. The woman has a temper.

              We do know that she lied to the bankruptcy court. Teresa has to sign the papers, legal and binding, as to what they own asset wise. They left off, “Specifically, the Trustee accused Teresa and Joe of knowingly concealing the following assets: three cars, a boat, the Giudice family pizzeria, three homes and several other investment properties, dozens of bank accounts and Teresa’s pending book deal and business interests in TG Fabulicious LLC and 1601 Maple Avenue Associates LLC. The revenues generated by Teresa’s book, Skinny Italian, alone exceeded $280,000.” That is lying. Did Teresa forget about her three homes? Both Joe and Teresa withdrew their bankruptcy petition otherwise they would have been prosecuted for fraud, a federal crime. Teresa has to pay back that staggering amount otherwise she very well could have gone to jail.

            • I’m only commenting on this, not to be against you, but because I’m genuinely confused cause I thought we DID know Teresa lied when she failed to list her book advance and monies from her website on her original bankruptcy filing. Surely she knew that she got a book advance and made money on HER website. Also when she went on that $60,000 shopping spree for wall hangings and mirrors 1 or 2 days after filing for bankruptcy I thought it showed she knew she purposely withheld information, unless I’m supposed to believe she happened to earn that much right after she filed and felt the best way to spend the money was on wall hangings and mirrors.

              Again not against you, I just thought that this was something that was known for a while now unless I missed it being uncovered that it wasn’t true.

              • PJ says:

                I don’t want to debate but I think some statements assuming things that can’t really be known are unfair. I know a lot of women that just go along with their husbands and have no real idea about their monetary situation including signing documents. All I am saying is that we don’t know for sure what Teresa knew or didn’t know. An accusation from someone who wants to prosecute you is NOT proof of a wrong doing. Only by going to court and being allowed a defense can you establish guilt or that their is not enough evidence to prove guilt for that matter. I don’t like trial by public opinion which is based not on facts but on opinions of a person, opinions can be wrong.

                • stellastars21 says:

                  Oh I totally agree with you on fact vs opinion and people shouldn’t be tried based on opinion. I know my example of the $60,000 was my opinion on why it was easy for me to believe she lied, but I think if you earned X amount of dollars and that’s documented then you file a claim and omit that money those are two facts. Or are you questioning whether someone filled it out for her about her and she possibly signed it without reading it? I can assure you I’m not trying to debate either. I am only curious cause I don’t get it. Even if she didn’t know what was in the papers before she signed them aren’t the two facts listed above still true. Also in court where you are innocent of charges against you until proven guilty, aren’t there facts presented in the case? They aren’t opinions because you haven’t been proven guilty yet right? Also in a criminal case for example, you can have a million facts against you but your attorney only has to prove reasonable doubt. As far as I know reasonable doubt isn’t always based on facts. So hopefully my questions don’t come across as an desire to negate your opinion. My mom always tells me I over analyze things even 30 second commercials so maybe that is me doing it again.lol In any case have a great day.

                  • ladyballs says:

                    well said.

                  • PJ says:

                    My saying “I don’t want to debate” wasn’t really directed at you. Everything you have said is very reasonable.

                    They had to have attorneys filing papers for them no one goes into something like this without an attorney, and they may have gotten bad advice, but then again I don’t really know no one does only the parties involved. I do know that being accused of something does not make you guilty, many innocent people have ended up in prison. Everyone has the right to defend themselves, have their day in court and face their accusers. Whatever the case is here Teresa is making it right by taking on the debt which she did not make on her own. Shouldn’t she get a little credit for that?

                    I have a friend who several years ago found herself in a similar situation and had absolutely no idea that she had been lied to by her husband. If you looked at the paper evidence you would say she was guilty but she had no idea and that was eventually proven to be the case.

                    I just find it upsetting that everyone on this show gets a pass except Teresa who is somehow responsible for all the evils in the world.

                    • melthehound says:

                      I’ve said the same thing all along and many here have poopoo’d the idea that T simply didn’t know what her husband was doing. All the while, calling her an idiot and a moron in every other aspect of her life. I’m sure many doubt she can even read let alone string 3 words together on her own without a ‘ghost writer’. I’ll say it again, the Teresa hate is sometimes unbelievable. For what it’s worth, I can’t stand Bethenny so I don’t give two beans what she thinks of Teresa.

                • Called A Princess... says:

                  (((((PJ))))) There is so much more speculation about Teresa then the other members of the show. It is overkill after a while. It has made this season a mess to watch. Should we really care about any of them but the small children? IMO… Maybe not.

                • scorpiosue1102 says:

                  But if Teresa signed these court papers she is stating that this is what is part of her bankruptcy. If Teresa signed something but didn’t know that these assets were not listed then shame on her. This is not a trial of public opinion. Teresa and Joe did not list three houses, a pizza parlor, her book advance and so on as part of their bankruptcy. That is a big no no and the federal government does not like that. These are facts. Teresa signed these papers. These are facts. I cannot assume by these facts the possibility that Teresa did not know these facts. That onus is on her.

            • ladyballs says:

              speculating isn’t necessary when there’s plenty of proof right in front of the eyes.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            I like Bethenny (not as much as I used to, though); however, SHE went after Teresa first by saying very nasty things about Teresa when she blogged about RHONJ during its first season. Teresa is VERY insecure and defensive. I think her feelings were very hurt, and she became angry. Thus, the beginning of their feud.

            Throw in the fact that Jill did her best to befriend Teresa (and other housewives) before the season (where Jill turned into the Wicked Witch) began and gave them all HER side of the story (which Bethenny did not have TIME to do because she was too busy working her a*s off), and Teresa took Jill’s side because of how mean she felt Bethenny had been to her. As I said up above, however, after viewing a certain episode, Teresa DID blog that she had NOT been told the whole story about Bethenny by Jill. She said that the episode showed that Bethenny had NO idea about Bobby’s cancer, and this is NOT what Jill told her. She also said it changed her opinion about the situation a bit.

            I do NOT LOVE Teresa. Believe me.

            I do not think many of the others who defend her here (and elsewhere either) LOVE her either. They just HATE the hypocrisy and bullying by her castmates even MORE than any problems they have with Teresa.

            As for lying to a Federal Court (or any Court or any Government), the Laurita’s and the Manzo’s have ALSO done the SAME thing. The Wakile’s (via Richie’s business) also LIED and FORGED CHECKS which caused Exxon to sue their a*ses. Joey Gorga LIED about the home he in which he is presently living by obtaining a construction loan on the basis that he was building it to SELL (NOT live in so he could look like “a baller” on the RHONJ).

            So, why should we believe Teresa’s castmates over her when they have shown that they LIE JUST AS MUCH (if not MORE) than SHE does? Those people on RHONJ are NOT nice, wholesome, law-abiding good people. They are ALL shady. Every single one of them — not JUST Teresa and Joe.

            • PJ says:

              Why can’t more people see this? Everyone calls out Teresa and lets the others have a pass.

            • LaineyLainey says:

              Oh wow… I didn’t know Tre had said that she was not told the whole story about the Bobby cancer story, etc. I missed that.

        • Cartwheels says:

          I can honestly say that out of all Bravo’s franchises and all Bravo’s Housewives, the only one who I really like warths and all is Bethenny. I get her, I like that she is not perfect nor she pretends to be. She is a very imperfect person but she doesn’t hide it, she doesn’t try to make up a character just for TV. She is neurotic, OCD, dwells on her past, but she is also funny, determined and a power house all in one. not everybody’s cup of tea but definitely my cur of tea.
          With that being said, I hated Teresa when she made those remarks, I never liked her to begin with, she and Danielle were my least favorites. I still don’t like her now and would never buy anything that she sells, but and this is were I blame the others, the other ladies had made me so aggraviated with their double standards, so agraviated with their plot line of blaming it all on Teresa that even against my will I have done something that I would never normally do: look at Teresa with kinder eyes.
          The other ladies don’t have anybody else to blame but theirselves, they thought that they were so smart to plot behind scenes as to how to take Teresa down, they assigned roles and premeditated how to make her flip, they overkilled it, they went too far , that is why a lot of viewers like myself who couldn’t stand her, had turn into not being able to stand the others and by default looking at Teresa with another set of eyes.
          I do not like Teresa but I really dislike the others. I don’t know if that makes any sense 🙂

          • MamaZ says:

            It make sense to me because I feel the same way.
            Teresa was stupid when she picked a fight with Bethenny. B is so much smarter and wittier there is no way Teresa could beat her at a war of words.
            But I think career wise B needs to distance herself from the whole Housewives franchise. Their reputation is on a “dowmward spiral”. If I were her manager or PR person I would tell her to only discuss the show when asked a direct question, always thanking the fans but to refrain from naming names or getting involved in any way with current storylines. That would include not appearing on WWHL, tweeting about the shows or responding to tweets.

        • Ren says:

          Most people aren’t giving Teresa a pass on anything. Haven’t been here since the first few days. It was too sad. I’ve just read recaps of nj and ny other places and without exception both recappers and posters are killing aviva and Teresa . Tre will always have a hand ful of loons who support her but even they are having a hard time coming up with valid reasons to do so. I had been at Lynn’s so long it was amazing to see how many people like Melissa , Kathy , some even still like Carolyn though not too many but without exception everyone agrees Teresa and joe are disgusting and have ruined their family . While Lynn always saw right through Teresa for some reason this blog was a big t support . Do yourself a favor , read other recaps of nj, you’ll laugh, identify and most of all , won’t feel like the world is backward.

  17. zoey1234 says:

    I think in Adiva hates her father’s behavior but uses it toward her enemies. She uses him and his inappropriateness to do her dirty work. She was angry at Sonja, so she set him up with her, knowing how he would behave. Notice in this episode she said she would never set him up with Carole, and instructed him to ‘stay away from her’, that they are good friends.

    Then she sends him to Ramona’s charity gathering, even admitting she could have mailed in the check.
    She gave him an earful of exaggerated woe is me and look what Ramonja did to me beforehand, then sent him in to battle. She knows him well and knows exactly when to use him.

    They are a couple of sick puppies.

    • zoey1234 says:

      *scratch the ‘in’ first sentence.

    • plainviewsue says:

      Zoey, u nailed it. George was so inapproiate at the charity event there are no words at all. Ramona really held it together and almost lovingly spoke to him to tell him this isn’t the time.

      Like you said, deep down Aviva is disgusted by her father and the fact that her mom was an alcholic and instead of attacking them, she attacks Sonja (who she considers a sex addict) and Ramona (who drinks a lot).

      What a field day for a therapist.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        And how classy George – I’ll give ya a check if you apologize to my daughter! Abusive much? Manhattan society must cringe collectively with this sick and sicker duo.

    • The Tin Man says:

      It takes one (sick puppy) to know one, huh? You are right. She knew exactly what he would do and that’s what she wanted; however, he did disregard her wishes when it came to Carol and asked her out anyway. I guess familial loyalty only goes so far with perverts.

      • zoey1234 says:

        I’m laughing because at first I thought you were calling me a sick puppy, lol!
        Where on earth does that expression come from anyway??? Cats can be weird and crazy at times, but puppies? Lol.

      • T-Rex says:

        I will say this was “painful” to watch, George is not funny, and not cool and why Bravo keeps on editing him into the show is just stupid. I guess for their part, they have zero redeeming footage of Adviper so George is their”backup”? If so them Advipa needs to leave the show immediately, maybe with Cat as her replacement??? While you all know I dislike the Coaster and she could have brought the drama down a bit, she handled things okay, well she shouldn’t have called Harry, but it’s the Coaster of course she picks the inappropriate thing to do. I am OVER the STDS blatant channeling of NormaDesmonda and BlancheDubois meets Grey Gardens, get on with your life, you are being paid a quite heft salars by RHNY, stop drinking and a lot of the depression will go away. Still like Carole, again I have a friend like her so I get where she is coming from, and oh my Heather has been redeeming herselft episode after episode!

        • MamaZ says:

          I still like Carole too. Yes, she does act like she’s too good for this show. because she IS too good for this show!
          I think Ramona overreacted at the Charity event. George is a pig but all she had to do was walk away. She did it with Heather at a party. It was avoidable.
          I am also so tired of Sonjas weird burlesque persona. Sell your effing house in France and quit whining!
          I hated Heather in the first couple of episodes but she is now my new favorite.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            Sonja did look pretty last night. But when Christina Aguilera called in and Sonja complimented her for the Burlesque movie…? Like Sonja is the burlesque expert? It was sad, actually. Andy kinda chuckled and fought the urge to roll his eyes.

          • Kansas Girl says:

            George went to Ramona at least once after she walked away from him. He grabbed her arm. He talked about her to others loud enough she would hear. To me, this was enough that she couldn’t ignore and avoid him. I don’t fault her for asking him to leave and then following up when he did not. (I just now finished listening to a required course on sexual harassment for work. I’m in the fierce mode right now!)

            • MamaZ says:

              I know, I am just so tired of all the histrionics on these shows. Maybe she could have asked George to stay after to discuss it? Both Ramona and Aviva seem incapable of settling an argument without hysteria.

        • ladyballs says:

          sonja is so “act-y” now. it really is cringe-inducing to watch her. you described her act exactly.

          we lived in tampa palms for 4 years. tampa is such a great area.

        • Ren says:

          Agree , heather really went from someone I couldn’t stand to someone I admire , even more than Carole who would rather stay out of the fray , appease everyone . Carole really does I think have an understandable intimacy issue and Aviva’s rage is all about her mommys alcohol her daddy’s sexohol and somewhere her sense of being not taken care of enough so that accident wouldn’t have happened. She’s making everyone pay for it since then. Everyone . It’s a metaphor for e v e r y o n e

      • 1969sus says:

        Sneeze woof Sneeze

    • Eastbayca says:

      Besides BSC behavior, George is Adiva’s storyline.

  18. PJ says:

    Drama is good on the HW shows but Adiva is not.

    • catmom1 says:

      Agree. She’s becoming unwatchable for me. At the brunch scene with Ramona, I kept looking for her to clutch her (nonexistant) pearls and start gasping from the vapors.

    • zoey1234 says:

      Agreed. Adiva might bring the ratings for a show or two, but this is not the long term drama anyone wants. This is more of a turn off. Bravo could insert these type of characters now and then, but they just don’t get that this is not what we want to watch and the type of person we want to ‘get to know’ and see often.

      • jules says:

        ITA zoey1234. I truly felt like I needed a shower after last night’s show. How self-absored can one person be? Who died and made Aviva the queen of good manners? I have to commend Ramona for sitting through as much as she did because there is no way I would have. I also don’t blame Ramona for asking George to be escorted out. She kept walking away and he kept following her. She was as gracious as she could be but he wouldn’t drop it. His behavior proves the point that Aviva is enabled and entitled by her family. She needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror and stop worrying about everyone else. I haven’t spent much time watching any of the RH’s shows and last night’s train wreck reminded me why.

  19. plainviewsue says:

    Tortured myself by watching some of the NJ reunion clips. Rosie is behind the scenes screaming she will cut out Teresa’s tongue.

    Lauren (why in hell is she on the couch) calls Tre a dickhead & she’s the reason people get lapbands. Teresa calls out Caroline for getting a tummy tuck. And saint Melissa just sits there, why do u have to say that. It’s not nice to attack people’s appearances.

    Then they show both Joes cursing and screaming at each other.

    Andy must be so proud.

    • catmom1 says:

      For me, Bravo is becoming Toxic TV. I’m starting to wonder exactly what demographic they are going after. If I wanted to watch Jerry Springer, I just watch that show. The entertainment and joy I used to feel from watching Bravo is rapidly diminishing to the point where I find myself either changing the channel or turning off the TV altogether.

      • Sam says:

        Toxic TV — I like that expression! That’s exactly what it’s becoming. And more often than not, just like you, I find myself switching the channel.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMO, Bravo is letting this franchise total implode – no winners or losers or anyone viewers can relate to, all reasons not to invite any of them back! Instead of over saturating the market with HW franchises, Bravo should have focused on two and made them the best in must see tv.

    • chismosa says:

      that is just bananas. I don’t understand Lauren being there either. Just like i said last week– you are NOT a housewife, your mother hates you, GET OUT.
      Caroline just needed someone on her side to fight for her. Couldn’t depend solely on Jacqueline.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        I love this—> “you are NOT a housewife, your mother hates you, GET OUT.” Let’s make t-shirts

      • melthehound says:

        You know sometimes I really dislike what you say, even nearly hate it (but not you 😉 ) and then you come up with a nugget of gold like this one. Actually, I feel the same way about ALL the Non Housewives on these shows. The adult kids, their gay (and not gay) friends, the husbands, the other friends…. Who gives a shit what they say, do, or think?

        • Sus says:

          I hear you Mel. I think I’m kind over RHONJ completely. I don’t like fake opulence. Whenever they film at Theresa or Melissa’s house, I’m always looking around wondering if the Repo Man tv show is going to bust in and start taking out all that ugly decor. Watching NJ has become like going to Las Vegas and telling everyone you went to Venice because you went on a gondola ride at the Venetian.

        • chismosa says:

          thanks Mel….i guess? I have disliked Caroline since her early days, everyone loved her back then (not here specifically, just the general media/ fans seemed to love her). I was onto her bulldog-bullying ways early on. Her family dynamic is just so bonkers.

          this show has gone down the drain, it’s got to go

          • LaineyLainey says:

            I was never a fan of Caroline either. I have a sister who acts like that. Big know-it-all, condescending…married three times, not the greatest relationship with her son,…but ohhhhh, so quick to give ME unsolicited advice re: my 28 yr marriage and how I relate to my own children. She’s fam – so I love her, but when a cartoonish version of her is on TV…my reaction: “uh uh, no. Give me a freakin’ break, Bravo.” Caroline points at people (wow, that’s a powerful speaking tool – – not), she speaks in a Godfather monotone (wow, scaryyyyyy. – not)….eeeeeek!!!!!

  20. lizzle says:

    Copied this from Ramona’s twitter page. Copy and paste the link and you will see how tight George is holding Ramona’s arm. FYI…there is an annoying commercial video that pops up on the photo page.

    Thoughts Of Truth ‏@True_Thoughts

    @ramonasinger Here is a screen shot of George grabbing your arm. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/georgegrabsramonaarm.bmp/ … He clearly had a good hold on your arm. #RHONY

    • lizzle says:

      sorry for the link. i didn’t think it would hyperlink.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      It was obvious he was digging his thumb into her arm trying to keep her from walking away! I don’t need to see bruises, he was using a nasty, covert restraining technique some use to corral a petulant child. He was out of line being there, he was out of line approaching Ramona for an apology and he was out of line hitting on Carole.

      • PJ says:

        Adiva caught in another lie saying George only touched Ramona and blaming Ramona for George’s disgusting behavior.

      • lizzle says:

        ITA… Aviva and George are strange and not in a good way. Is “entitled” the right word? And to Carole saying that George was “rattled” in her blog… well… that’s Aviva’s fault. I am not sure what Carole’s allegiance to Aviva is about… maybe Aviva has more contacts that are useful for Carole and she can’t burn that bridge.

        • Lady Chatterley says:

          George wasn’t rattled and was not a sympathetic figure. He was there to rattle Ramona and was succeeding. Ramona was correct in having him removed and if Heather, Carole, Luann were sympathizing w/George, their sympathy was misplaced.

        • I Need A Life! says:

          Yes, Lizzle. I agree with you. Carole is linking with anyone who can be useful down the road. Very obvious. She appears wishy-washy because she really doesn’t care about anyone on the show. When she tilts her head, she’s saying, “I have to stay awake for this conversation.” This has been a vehicle to advertise her book. Aviva’s dad is smitten with her. Some girls have all the luck.

      • MamaZ says:

        Everything George does is out of line. he’s gross.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        Yes, he was digging that thumb into her flesh. That is a big no-no. Has that happened to any of you? It feels horrible; invasive, forceful..(shudder)…not nice. Imposing one’s will upon another. I see teachers doing that sometimes and it makes me sick.

        • I Need A Life! says:

          I’m at the edge on this one. It didn’t appear to be that forceful, and it was a brief second or two. I wasn’t on the receiving end, and don’t know if there was pressure. I almost thought Ramona was making a big deal out of nothing. I don’t know what type of abuse she experienced in life. It could have been a knee jerk reaction to past experience. I agree that it was invasive. Her reaction was real.

          • thedesigndiva2 says:

            When chicklet touched Ramona..it was not a “guiding” grasp on her upper arm..it was one of CONTROL and NO ONE has the right to do that to another person… Given the event he was attending it was a bad move..Hell..even showing up was a BAD MOVE…

            • soxwalsh says:

              and keep in mind that Ramona was trying to walk away from the situation. When he grabbed her arm he was trying to prevent her from leaving so I’m sure it was a gut reaction for Ramona. I don’t blame her, I would have done the same thing. I thought the expression on her face was very telling but she didn’t overreact and yell so she was in control of herself.

          • PJ says:

            Bravo has a screen grab of it too and it was forceful, you can see it.

          • Sus says:

            If it had been anyone else, I’d say Ramona was overreacting. This guy has been shown acting inappropriately every single time he’s on screen.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            Even one second of feeling abused and violated is wrong. One second, two seconds…that’s not the point. It’s up to Ramona to decide how much if any amount of having someone else’s hands on her she is ok with. It’s not really George’s decision, or Aviva’s or even mine.

            • chismosa says:

              yup, personal space is personal space. some people don’t like being hugged or kissed or shake hands when you say hello. You just never know.

        • Kansas Girl says:

          no teacher should do that. NO TEACHER SHOULD DO THAT. I’d report them.

      • Under My Wheels says:

        I liked how Aviva called Ramona out saying “An 80 year old man…” like he’s helpless.

    • AZGirl says:

      Holy smokes George is complete out of line. His thumb in digging into Ramona’s arm.
      What grown woman needs daddy to fight her fights? My dad would told me to deal with myself.

  21. zoey1234 says:

    Maybe it’s just me, but I didn’t read the tweet as Bethenny calling Teresa a name. She agreed with the last sentence from the tweeter, who said the show was grimy, by saying it was vile. Doesn’t matter so much either way.

  22. catmom1 says:

    Read Aviva’s blog last night. On it she addresses her alcoholic mother and has a picture of her mother and father. I think Aviva looks exactly like her mother.

  23. plainviewsue says:

    Here are some tweets between Cat and I. Thought you’d like to see what she said.
    @plainviewsue: @catommanney Saying Lulu has no storyline had me screaming more Cat!! U r so unfiltered & I love it!
    @catommanney: @plainviewsue LOL true though!! 😀

    @plainviewsue: @catommanney Totally true!! C’mon move to NY & join the cast. I know Lynn would have loved being there last nite.
    @catommanney:@plainviewsue Awww I missed her 😦

    Here’s some more with Lynn’s sister Cathy
    @Ccathy316: Nite all gotta go watch @SonjatMorgan and @catommanney on WWHL

    @plainviewsue: @Ccathy316 @SonjatMorgan @catommanney Thinking of Lynn while watching, knowing she was going to be Cat’s invited guest.

    @catommanney: @plainviewsue @Ccathy316 @SonjatMorgan She was watching from above, Im sure ❤

    I just adore Cat.

  24. lovemamaearth says:

    Welcome back Detox. Fun blogs everyone.

    The poll needs a “neither” option. I think they’re both extreme drama queens.

  25. mardrag26 says:

    Good Morning All!

    This is usually my favorite day to post because I liked the NY (& BH) show so much more than the others…..but today I “haz the sadz”! I don’t know where these shows are going, but it isn’t anyplace that’s good. My mother used to tell us…if you don’t have anything good to say, don’t say anything (LOL!), so……

    I will just say this morning…thank you to all the lovely gals who recap the shows and keep us together with this blog. I will continue to read and live vicariously through your words! You are all amazing women! And I love the people here with your wisdom and witty comments. It is the reason I am here! 🙂

    Wishing everyone a wonderful day and tossing warm thoughts out to all!
    HUGS!

  26. ladyballs says:

    if bethenny is saying “your welcome” for putting aviva on the show, i’m sure it’s with tongue firmly in cheek. no one said thank you to bethenny. the congratulating herself is clearly sarcastic. come on.

    if someone hands you a bunch of work and then says your welcome….it’s sarcastic.

    aviva is a big piece of work and bethenny is saying your welcome. it’s funny. get it. like ha ha?

    teresa is vile.

  27. Donna says:

    RHNJ my take

    The entire time Jac had a calm look, I’ve got a secret.

    Mel said where’s the bathroom, Teresa said she had to go to so she pointed the way.

    During the time in the bathroom Teresa always referred to him as that guy, the bald guy. Melissa told Joey his name is Angelo.

    Melissa didn’t want to approach him without her husband. So guess what Joey is coming to approach the guy. If he is 45 minutes away, how did he get there so fast?

    As for the Bravo cc’s I don’t trust them. Angelo said Johnny told him that Kim D and Teresa wanted to set Melissa up. That is 3rd party reporting.

    In a talking head, Melissa said Teresa was smiling ear to ear the whole time. Did anyone see her smile?

    Jac said she overheard the guy say it, next her friend overheard it and texted her, Teresa was standing next to the guy and her friend overheard it, her friend told her 2 weeks ago that Teresa was going to set Melissa up.

    Why was Pete there? My guess is Joe sent him there for Teresa, and/or the tweet that Jac said that was Joe cheating when it was really Pete and Sheila.

    Jac said she was helping Teresa? Helping how, by stirring the pot!

    Question. Melissa & Kathy drove alone to the PFS. OK when they went home all 4 were in one auto. How did Joey and Richie get there?

    • LaineyLainey says:

      Detective donna – you are a fountain of great observations!!

    • thedesigndiva2 says:

      Donna..i can answer the last question…Mego and kathy drove the white vehicle..joey came in the black one…
      Also… watching back at jac outside and how they showed her LOOKING UP….hmmm
      was she WATCHING the balcony across the street for her cues…??????

    • Lady Chatterley says:

      There’s a long twitter history between Pete and the Salon people – they are friends. Pete and his associates collectively battled w/anyone associated w/Melissa (and proclaimed that they are doing it for Teresa).

      • RealHousewifeVA says:

        Pete joined twitter in January of this year. About 4 months after the Posche Fashion show. By this point the battle lines were drawn.

    • Donna says:

      I feel that viewers were set up by Bravo and production to take sides for the ratings. I am done, done, done with Bravo HW shows.

      • MamaZ says:

        I’m starting to feel the same way Donna. Go back and read the comment from Kats2 yesterday. She’s saying it’s all BS and I think she may be right. They were all in on it from the start for ratings. Kats says how do we know they aren’t speaking which made think if they haven’t spoken or seen each other since the reunion last year then how did melissa end up babysitting during the Fabullini launch?

        • RealHousewifeVA says:

          She didn’t MamaZ…that was just Bravo screwing up the timeline. Melissa took the girls out for that trip in July (the salon posted pics of it on their website in July). No one was talking to Teresa by the time of the Fabellini launch, that’s why they weren’t there. The Fabellini party was at night and Melissa’s outing was during the day. Bravo had Melissa and Jac lie in their talking heads and they went along with it because it made them look better (oh look, I was babysitting! or “Oh why wasn’t i invited). They are all a bunch of slimy liars.

  28. Zoey says:

    So for Halloween, I think Ramona and Sonja should go dressed as Adiva and George! Now that would be scary! They could berate people all night and cop feels!

  29. scorpiosue1102 says:

    I’ve tried three times to put into words how “disgusting” Aviva’s behavior was at her breakfast with Ramona. Ramona is a better woman than I because I would have slapped her one or broken out the soap for her vile mouth. The nerve of Aviva………Aviva likes to act like she is above everyone because she went to Vassar (I’m sure Vassar is writing up a cease and desist letter right now) and has a law degree. Big frickin’ deal! Aviva is the one that is vile and classless and she inherited that from her father.

    Aviva should be embarrassed, embarrassed that her children will one day see this vile behavior. I’m sure her oldest son will get teased for this one. Aviva needs to turn that finger around and point it at herself. Aviva has not one ounce of human decency or human kindness……or it comes out in spurts. Giving limbs to children= awesome while talking about untrue things about Ramona and Sonja = ignorant. Ignorant narcissist = Aviva.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      ramona was visibly startled during that encounter. I experienced more anxiety watching that scene than any of the scritpted anti drama on NJ the night before. I wasn’t expecting that.

      • I Need A Life! says:

        Adiva publicly mocked Ramona for making the comment that, “there are people who would trade their limbs in this economy.” I know she meant that there are women who can’t feed their children, and they would trade places with Adiva any day. Ad has no clue how silly she really is.

        • Called A Princess... says:

          I find Ramona’s statement odd. The lost limb has taken on a character all it’s own. It is very strange to me to have all these women talking about this phantom leg. Too much ! IMO.

          • MamaZ says:

            CAP- I think Ramona was trying to say that although Aviva has gone through a horrible experience she has so much to be grateful for. That there are people who in spite of having all their limbs are in much worse shape than poor Aviva. And I agree!
            Her children are healthy, she has a man who loves her. She has the resources to deal with her physical and emotional challenges that many people would envy.
            I feel the same way about Sonja. Both these women are so focused on what they’ve lost that they forget to be thankful for all they have.

            • Called A Princess... says:

              MamaZ, I understand somewhat what Ramona was trying to say, it just seems rather clumsy and strange to me. Almost too deep for the players. JMHO.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            Who brings it up the most, I wonder? Ramona or Aviva?

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I found myself thinking about how I would have handled that. I’ve been in a few situations where someone thought they could improve me by giving me a good dressing down. It’s not pleasant because they don’t really want you to say anything.

      What I’ve done that was most successful in maintaining my own sanity and dignity was to get out paper and carefully write down each of my faults as they rant. This allows me to ask them for detail and they’ll usually go into great detail since I’m listening. I write very detailed notes (and even add a column I can check for true or untrue — you can guess where most checks go). Then I can torture them by asking sweetly “Is that all? Anything else?” Usually at least part of their rants end up being obviously crazy to the point where they’ll back off because they hear how ridiculous their complaint is.

      To me, it’s important to be the rational one and maintain my own dignity. Storming off allows them to think they won. Making a big honking list gets my point across better. Plus it makes me laugh. And I’ve kept the lists too. Not that I’ve improved myself from them!

      • trudie says:

        Love this technique!

        • MamaZ says:

          Great conflict resolution technique KC.
          I always allow the other person to get everything off their chest first. Then when they are done I tell them I expect the same courtesy and then proceed to give my side. If they interupt I tell them to stop or the conversation is over but can be resumed when they are capable of discussing it like an adult. I also do my best to refrain from doing any mudslinging of my own.
          In my experience most people just want to be heard. If you really listen you sometimes see that they have a point when seen from a different angle. Then you can maybe get them to see it from your perspective and resolve the issue.
          Neither Ramona or Aviva wanted to reslove anything. They both just wanted to win.

      • PJ says:

        I find it best not to address the crazy. I would never have agreed to meet Adiva but since Ramona is on a “reality” show I would have just left.

        • Ça va says:

          That’s one of the weird things about a “reality” show. ADD is feuding with R&S by trashing them on Twitter, in her blog, yet when someone calls her on her behavior, all of a sudden “it is reality tv aftr all.” WTF?
          Remember her reaction to white trash trailer turd George telling her his girlfriend is black? Someone called her on it on Twitter and she responded “Most of my dads girlfriends are African American. My problem is the AGE of all the ladies ! Lol” That sure wasn’t how it came off on the show. I believe her words were, “she’s black?” No mention of age being the problem. She can lie like a mofo!

      • Orson says:

        I like this concept of taking notes and making a list. You’re a wise woman, KG.

    • trudie says:

      Adiva also said that she set up a brunch meeting with Ramona in the hopes of finding her sober. Bitch.

    • PJ says:

      This is just my opinion. But I wonder what does Adiva do? She has not used her education in any good way to better herself or others. She uses her education as a weapon against people. It seems to me like Adiva relies on others to support her (husband, father, ex). Ramona works and is financially independent in her own right. There is no way Ramona could do what she does if she was drunk all the time. This is a story line JZ & Co. tried to push last season, interesting.

      Adiva said some things early on that I found disturbing regarding her own son and her wish that his father was Reid and not his birth father. I think that was a mean and classless thing to say. A parent is part of a child’s identity and it harms a child when one parent does not respect that relationship regarding the other parent. If Adiva is even insensitive when it comes to her own son, what can you expect from a person like that?

      • Ça va says:

        What does she do? She makes life for those around her miserable!

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        Aviva strikes me as the type of person who obtained all of those degrees (and letters behind her name) simply so she could SAY she has them (and lord them over people she feels are beneath her or have offended her in some way). I honestly think she went to all those schools in an attempt to obtain her M.R.S. degree (as in, find a moneyed husband to take care of her in the manner to which she has been accustomed).

        I personally cannot imagine Aviva working anywhere that requires much human interaction.

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        I agree, more so she said she also wished that Reid’s daughter from another marriage was her her bio-logical child. If I were that girls mother, I would go over and knock her fn lights out. While it might be nice that a step parent takes a loving and parental interest in a child, it’s quiet another to want to eliminate the bio parent out of the equation for reasons I can only guess are of adults not getting along with other adults.

  30. WindyCityWondering says:

    HW math lesson – Ramona has Sonja to make her “look” better as Aviper has George to make her “look” better.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      I wonder if I have “Sonja/George” relationships or AM I the “sonja/George” in my relationships?

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Oh, IMHO, I doubt you would hang with anyone to make yourself look better – you are not that kind of girl!

  31. Sus says:

    Last night was fun watching with all of you 🙂
    i feel the need to be nice about SonJa. Her exhusband sucks and she doesn’t deserve what he’s dishing or really not dishing out. Besides, who has time to hate her when we have Aviva!
    She is a piece of work. I bet the amputee charities are cringing. She is not doing them any favors.

  32. catmom1 says:

    Random thought – Aviva sends daddy George in to fight her battles. IIRC, Jill did this with Bobby. I seem to recall Bobby going after Alex at a party wanting an apology for Jill. Things that make you go hmmmm…..

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      You know what? I’d forgotten about that. Jill DID send Bobby out to do her dirty work all the time. Excellent point.

      • Called A Princess... says:

        I did not find the the need for dad to request an apology from Ramona a shocking surprise. I think the Adiva relies on people to do her dirty a lot. What was jarring was the fact that George would attempt to do it in a room filled with women at a charity event. It seem way over the top and out of touch. IMO.

  33. Eastbayca says:

    Curious….when and where did Bethenny congratulate herself on selecting Aviva?
    Can’t find anything!

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      She tweeting something during the show as a joke to Andy about how she deserves a fruit basket, and he acknowledged that she was the one who told him to cast Aviva on the show (which is something Bethenny has said in the past). She was just playing around.

  34. Lulu says:

    Leave it to B to try to keep being relevant on the heels of her failing show. No surprise there. I’ve heard that her “skinny girl” drinks are not selling so well these days. I know a liquor distributor that loves to tell my DH and I the progressively dwindling orders. That’s reality TV for you when your hot your hot once the camera goes then it’s B who?

    Next time I’m in a dispute I’ll send my husband in my place! That was hysterical! How old is Advia what 55? She still needs daddy to tell the girls to be nice to her???? I don’t know if that was sad or just flat out pathetic.

    • MamaZ says:

      Her vodkas are overpriced. I went to the liqour store to get some but I opted to get a better name brand for the same price.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      No Lulu – Aviva is in her early 40s I believe (could be wrong) – but girlfriends’ skin looks much older than that. Nice body. Butter face.

    • The Tin Man says:

      You know, last week I compared my five-year-old granddaughter to Aviva, but as it turns out, I was selling the child short. When she has a conflict with one of her playmates, she doesn’t run to Daddy to take care of it for her. She fights her own battles just like her Granny.

      • Lulu says:

        Awww nice!!! Smart tough cookie!

        Well I can compare Adiva to my 2YO son’s temper tantrums. They just go on and on and on but my son knows when to stop. I can’t say the same for Advia though.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      Didn’t her talk show just get picked up for a regular season?

      • Lulu says:

        It did but in a limited market as far as I know.

        • trudie says:

          Warner Bros. has sold the show to the Fox stations, which will carry it in the biggest U.S. markets, according to an announcement Monday by Frank Cicha, senior vice president of programming, FOX Television Stations, and Ken Werner, president, Warner Bros. Domestic Television Distribution.

        • thedesigndiva2 says:

          LULU…. A very LIMITED market indeed…… it will only be shown on one station here in fla…up by orlando… weird they didnt try for the WPB market…maybe the glow has dimmed…!!!

  35. Eastbayca says:

    Does anyone think when Aviva told Ramona that she is no good to Sonja because she let her “drive drunk”, she was alluding to Sonja’s DUI?

  36. amalfi says:

    Ew Bethenny. Get over yourself.

  37. thedesigndiva2 says:

    just an observation about tre..after REALLY watching her “work” the room after the show..i noticed that she lets people kiss her on the cheek BUT always turns her mouth/lips /head away so she is not making contact with them… hmmmmm

  38. VV says:

    I started disliking Bethenny after her treatment of Jason on her last season of BEA.
    I still admire her buss side. Her personal life, not so much.

    On another note. Did you guys know that Bravo edited out Jac swearing on her autistic son from the previews.

    • stellastars21 says:

      I have a question about that only cause I don’t watch extra clips. Is there a clip of her saying her “autistic son” and now its gonna be edited out, or were there reports she said her “autistic son” and now reports that it is edited out? Just wondering cause I shouldn’t watch videos on my work computer.

      • VV says:

        Yes, it was during the previews for RHONJ S4 Reunion last Sunday. Bravo showed the clip of Jac saying that. This was discussed on this board that night.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      I’ve read several places that Jac WAS on video saying, “I swear on my AUTISTIC son!” and Caroline allegedly tried to stop her or told her not to say that or something to that effect.

      Once people started commenting about how STRANGE (and manipulative and a little “sick,” maybe) it was for Jac to call him her “AUTISTIC” son instead of just her plain old SON when swearing on his life, BRAVO edited the clip to take out the word “autistic.”

      • Called A Princess... says:

        Jac’s is such a blob of sick! IMO.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          I mean…who SAYS that? I HATE when people say the ADOPTED daughter or the ADOPTED son of. Those celebrity magazines and insensitive people do it all the time. How about JUST, “the daughter” or “the son” without the “adopted” clarification.

          I could never see myself saying, “I swear on the life of my ASPBERGER’S brother!!!” or “I swear on the life of my ATHEIST brother!!!”

          O.T. – Time: I have one of each. My poor Mother prays every day that my atheist brother somehow finds his way back to God. My Dad, who only goes to church on holidays, says my Mother could give my brother DIRECTIONS, and he still would not find his way back. He tells my Mom to just give it up.

          My brother also has a Ron Paul bumper sticker; says he is White (because he does not believe in the 1-drop rule and society’s attempt to “define” him. These are HIS words.); went to a gifted high school and had a full ride for college but dropped out after his 1st year because he needed to “find” himself (This is ANOTHER time my Father remarked that “We could give that fool DIRECTIONS, and he still would NOT ‘find’ himself. What kinda b*llsh*t is THAT? He needs to ‘find’ himself!! He needs to ‘find’ a job and stop himself from coming here looking for any money since he dropped out of college. I tell you that much! Find himself?!! Ridiculous!!”; believes in polyamorous relationships (hence his prom pic with 2 girls, one on each side holding each of his legs, and another draped over his shoulder). Talk about some shit to get in the MAIL and show off to the family and friends!!! My brother also had long pin-straight black hair down to the middle of his back in this prom pic.

          He later shaved his head completely bald and went around in Doc Martens looking like some kind of White Power freak (He was never THAT. He just LOOKED like it). He thinks “race is a social construct built by man to hold another man back” He actually has a good point, and I think he is a genius and a complete WEIRDO at the same time….but, I digress.

          My Point: We have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in common but our brother and our parents. *Shrug*.

          Oh….and Jac should not have QUALIFIED her son as AUTISTIC. She should have just called him her SON, plain and simple (just like I call each of my brothers, my BROTHERS, no more, no less).

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        There seems to have been two clips on the bravo site shot at two angels. In one of them, it only shows her saying “I swear on my child” – it seems to be on a side view.

        There is another that has a front view and she says “I swear on child… WHO IS AUTISTIC” Unlike the Richie Fish comment, there was no break in the shot…she definitely said it in that moment but it appears like an after thought.

  39. Zoey says:

    I think whatever Adiva says, the truth is pretty much the opposite.

    I never read the Bravo blogs, but went there to see the picture posted of Adiva’s mother and father. In
    reading the dreaded blog, she describes how her father ‘suddenly found himself in this situation’. Really?? And he ‘had no idea it would be just women’. Really??
    So he accidentally went to a anti-abuse charity and accidentally brought up the subject of his daughter needing an apology? What planet does this chick live on??

    Shame on Ramona for hounding him for an apology at this event!

    I see an overwhelming amount of anti-Adiva comments there, but I hope Bravo doesn’t take that as her being popular and keeping her. She is not a keeper.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      Oh, they will definitely keep her. They don’t care if people dislike a castmember…what they care about is if people are watching the show or not. Look at OC… after last season, the boards went bonkers with Anti-Tamra comments, and she’s back next season. Same with Taylor on BH. And basically all the NJ ladies, lol.
      They keep whoever brings the ratings, good or bad, simple as that. Aviva’s behavior, whether people love her or hate her, brought up the ratings this season. It’s basically what everyone is talking about in regards to NY.

  40. ViVaLaDiVa says:

    Ok…so I’m not saying that I agree with what Aviva did as far as confronting Ramonja, bc they are all adults here, I agree with her that I would not want to associate with them. 50 year old women getting wasted and sleeping naked together and acting the way they do-those are the people that my friends and I all look at in the bars and say “dear God PLEASE don’t let me turn into one of these drunken desperate old women!”I mean come on, these women have teenage daughters! What happened to dignity and self respect? I am all for having fun, but they are embarassing to watch sometimes. It is no wonder Sonja’s husband didn’t want to face her at mediation…she is really going down fast. Oh yeah, and George is gross. I would have kicked him out of a party just for being disgusting. But I do think it’s kinda, just a teensy bit sweet that he still looks at his daughter as his baby girl.

    • Lady Chatterley says:

      🙂 Love your username!

    • contessa says:

      Who said they were sleepin naked? You only have Adiva’s word for that and Heather said it wasn’t true. Adiva and Heather did not go in the room together to see them sleeping as Adiva said. This drinking and carrying on basically happened at a private house and in one nightclub. The other times, except for maybe the boat, they were okay.
      It’s not like they were scouting every club and acting like little pirate girls all over St. Barths. I know what kind of women you mean, I am over 50 and when I see some at bars in restaurants you can smell the desperation, but on the other hand I love seeing a group of women at the bar section that are having fun and laughing from the soul and heart. Aviva has no points in any of her arguments, as she is not the moral police. Neither Sonja or Ramona did anything that was immoral or bad. Aviva is simply a spoiled beyotch who looks way older than 40, with a creepy father that raised her with a terrible sense of entitlement.

  41. Eastbayca says:

    The house in France is a joint property, Sonja can’t sell it. Some interesting read on her battle with her ex.

    http://www.privateislandnews.com/usa-real-housewife-sonja-morgan%E2%80%99s-ex-husband-selling-private-island-in-ct/
    http://starcasm.net/archives/175862

    • MamaZ says:

      Thanks Eastbay.
      Ramona did mention selling the house in France last night. I wonder if the ex has been after her to sell the house and she refused.

      I understand that the divorce and her lifestyle change has been difficult but I have limited sympathy for her. Just as Ramona said there are women who would gladly lose a limb to feed their children. I agree and even made a similar statement a few weeks ago.
      In the same way I know women who have been left with nothing after a divorce. No home, no alimony, and children to raise. Even when support is granted by a court you can’t always get it in a timely manner if at all.
      Sell the NY home and thank God you had such a valubale asset so you can feed and clothe your child.

  42. Lulu says:

    Why is RHONY so short this season? I was surprised when I heard next week’s season finale.

    • T-Rex says:

      Hmmmm maybe to just decide who the are and aren’t going to keep on the show?

      • Called A Princess... says:

        I think they are treating it like a debut season which tend to be shorter. Half the cast is new, after all. I read they were contracted for 20 episodes, including reunions. When Bravo requested more footage, the veterans said no. LuLu, Ramona and Sonja were also mad that the new cast members took so long to film scenes.

  43. Sam says:

    I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating: I firmly believe that George is developing dementia. In men in their 80s (George is 80), it often presents as an obsession with sex and a loss of impulse control (which leads not only to inappropriate comments but to inappropriate behavior, like grabbing people’s arms), but family members don’t realize this is what’s causing Dad to turn into a “dirty old man.” They think he’s “acting up” willfully, when in fact the part of his brain that keeps such behavior in check is under assault.

    (And I’m guessing that Carol knows something about dementia, and that’s why she’s being so kind to George.)

    • Lady Chatterley says:

      If that’s the case – if it’s even a remote possibility – it is even more appalling that Aviva would go along w/having him featured on the show.

      • Sam says:

        She probably doesn’t realize what he has. That’s how it was with my family, when my dad got like this. We had no idea that he had turned into a “dirty old man” because of a medical condition. At first we thought it was a reaction to my mom dying, and then as it got more embarrassing we thought he was just doing it to get attention, because he sure seemed to love people’s reactions to his outrageousness. It wasn’t until after he developed obvious signs of dementia (memory problems etc.) that we took him to a geriatric specialist and learned that his earlier lack of impulse control had been a warning sign of worse to come.

        • klmh says:

          Sam, Im sorry to hear about your father.
          Do you remember the length of time it took him from the loss of his wife to the acting out, to the diagnosis?

          • Sam says:

            Thanks, klmh.

            I can’t remember exactly when the first signs showed up, but I think it was about nine months after my mom died. And it was roughly a six-year process between the time the acting out started and the time my dad died (at the age of 89). The diagnosis came about midway through this period, after my dad got an at-home caregiver and she quit because he wouldn’t keep his hands off of her. That’s when we couldn’t deny anymore that we had a problem. (And you can find more info about it online by Googling “dementia hypersexuality.”)

            • klmh says:

              Thanks Sam. I know many with Alzheimer’s get combative, but was unaware of heightened sexual need.
              I think ADiva’s mother died about 6 years ago, and he has been behaving in this manner since then. That seems like a long time for a disease like this to progress with no more than this peculiarity, not showing other signs associated with it.
              I’ll look it up now. Tx

            • klmh says:

              Sam, what I read had hyper-sexuality related with A., as in a part of the disease. I do know that no 2 cases are alike though. Thanks for the information. So good to learn something new.

              • Sam says:

                You’re welcome, klmh! And yes, no two cases are alike, and for some people things develop pretty slowly, so I don’t think it’s impossible for George to be only this bad six years in. (My dad was stuck at the George phase for about three years.) Also, don’t forget that we’re only seeing a tiny part of the number of hours in George’s day, and dementia sufferers are notorious for behaving differently at different periods of the day. (And they’re usually worse in late afternoon, a condition commonly known as Sundowner’s Syndrome.)

                • Sam says:

                  I should add that there are many types of dementia, not just Alzheimer’s, and the doctor told us that hypersexuality doesn’t just occur with Alzheimer’s.

    • ladyballs says:

      this has to be the case with george. i’d be willing to be money on it.

      • Sus says:

        I hear what you are saying. But, Aviva didn’t seem phased by his behavior one bit. In fact, she seemed to expect it. If this is a new behavior, why isn’t she taking him to doctors to find out what is going on.
        He’s very sharp. I highly doubt this is a symptom of dementia. I believe that’s how he has been in the past and is now – a disgusting pervert who thinks women are his personal playground.

        • Sam says:

          My dad was really sharp too. The mental problems didn’t come until much later. Really, he just had an obsession with sex and was overly flirtatious. And I didn’t know enough to take my dad to a doctor either — plus there would have been no way for me to force him since he wasn’t mentally incompetent. (Heck, he was even still driving!)

          As for Aviva, I can’t stand her but I’m cutting her some slack on this one, even though I accept that George might have always been hypersexual. You have no idea of the kind of denial a daughter can have when it comes to recognizing that her father is losing his faculties. (And for me it was especially bad, since my mother died after years of having dementia as well. I just wasn’t willing to consider the notion that I might have to go through this with another parent.)

          • Called A Princess... says:

            I think that people can be quick to judge what we do not understand. We really do not know George or Adiva well enough to know why she does not know what is wrong with her father. All I know is that he is her father and they seem to love each other very much. He should not be on the show. After what happened to Russell Armstrong and the issues with Kelly, one would think that Bravo would have hired some sort of mental consultant for the show to screen out the seemingly mentally ill. The cast members are too close to the problems to be fully aware of what might be going on. Carole and Ramona seem to maybe be the only ones that seem to be clued into the problem. IMO.

            • Sam says:

              Yes, I agree that he should not be on the show. His behavior on Bravo should not be what people remember him for after he’s gone. And while I’m understanding about Adiva’s denial about her dad’s behavior, I’m not understanding when it comes to her putting him on the show. There’s no way I would have put my dad on display like that when he was behaving like George.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            Oh Sam, your compassion and caring is so evident. It is very difficult watching our parents declining.

            • Sam says:

              LaineyLainy thank you so much for saying this. And yes, it can be very hard. I’m just hoping that by the time I’m in my 80s there’s a cure for dementia, so my kids won’t run the risk of going through what I did.

    • catmom1 says:

      I’ve also thought that he might have dementia or another physiological issue causing his obsession with sex. I’m still wondering why, if he and Aviva are so close, she hasn’t gotten him to a doctor to get checked out. While she may be too close to see it for the gross abberation it is, surely someone in their circle has risked being Aviva’d and told her it’s not normal and George needs medical attention ASAP..

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Well considering how prudish Aviper comes off then George’s behavior would be red flag city. But if you watch the Miami dinners you won’t find either Aviper or Reid surprised or shocked by Georges disgusting dinner conversation. IMO – George is a borish, inappropriate goat.

  44. Ça va says:

    She’s still at it:
    Aviva Drescher ‏@AvivaDrescher
    @_____________ @_____________there was no assault nor violence.There was a touch Ramona has grabbed me,reid and dad often & worse! Pulleeze.
    ————————————
    Keep spinning, ADD.

    • PJ says:

      Oh brother!

    • T-Rex says:

      Dirty old man tries to touch me like that and his Ass would be escorted out of the event toot sweet, no one has the right to place their hand on anyone, especially when the person holding the event just went through how they were abused as a child(OMG hell is freezing over I am sticking up for the Coaster)

  45. Jules says:

    Carol not saying any thing to George when he called Romona trailer turd was telling him he was correct and she was on her side. Carol needs to stay home. She is not a nice person. Think back to how many times in front of her things are said and she never reacts. At least Heather will say in the moment then this is not right.

    • T-Rex says:

      I don’t agree, I am with Carole on this, she has been switzerland most of the season, and this was not her party, HW or not, it wasn’t her place to attack another guest, rightfully or not, she has something a lot of these HW don’t and that is manners in public. Coaster is not her personal friend nor family member, she is just someone she works with and just met a few months before this incident.

      • klmh says:

        I agree. It wasn’t her place to correct nastyass because it wasn’t directed to her. It would be something ADiva would do though, correcting others…

      • LaineyLainey says:

        Her body language.. at least the way I read it… said “I don’t really care what you’re saying. It doesn’t concern me at all. Please stop talking to me.”

    • Winston says:

      I kind of took it as she was trying to placate George. He didn’t seem to get that this was not the time or place and I think she took pity on him. If you see someone unraveling before your eyes, you don’t usually engage the person by confronting them. She was trying to defuse the situation. IMO, George was unraveling at the event just like his daughter is unraveling on the show.

  46. RealHousewifeVA says:

    I am totally believing the 3-part interview with one of the NJ producers on Famewhorgas site. I know some people don’t like the site itself, but this interview is worth a read. They didn’t conduct the interview, a relative of the producer did and sent it to them. Before NJ finale aired, this person said they worked on the show and were not fired but left on their own to pursue an opportunity in California and since they didn’t work on the show anymore they really didn’t need to hide who they were. Then on night of the finale Jac tweeted that no producers were fired, one left for a job in Cali. Sounds legit to me, and they are not fully pro-Teresa OR Melissa..just giving information.

    Danielle and Kim G both said they were asked to attend the Posche Fashion show and refused, and this producer basically confirms it. They were running through a lot of scenarios to make the finale dramatic. Danielle and Kim G refused and so it fell through. They also wanted Jac to confront Tre and she refused (this goes with what Jac’s mom tweeted about jac being asked to do things to Tre but refusing).

    Check it out. It’s in 3 parts, the other two parts were posted a few days ago so you’d have to scroll down.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      He also says that Melissa only knew someone from her past would come to say hi. She saw Angelo before he appeared at the table and was texting Joe to come, so by the time she ‘called him’ he was already next door. . Makes sense since people are saying he was next door, but he tweeted he was at home.

      • amalfi says:

        So of course that “I know him, but I don’t know from where” thing was bs. I can see her being mad that someone set her up then and blaming Teresa since she was the first person to bring it up to her.

        How fun would it be to set up someone as clueless as Teresa? These produces must like kicking turkeys around too.

        • MamaZ says:

          I don’t dislike the famewhorga site, I actually think it’s very well written. But I am somewhat skeptical of any anonymous or blind items. It’s an integrity thing. Lynn took a lot of bull from people for some of the things she wrote but she was up front about writing them. I think when you are putting things out as fact you owe it to people to, in Housewife speak, “own it”.

          I did see that famewhorga says that as soon as the article that the interview was done for is published the writer will allow the site to post it. If it comes with a byline and name of the publication then that will give it credibilty.

          I wonder if the writer is the same person who does teresa’s Bravo blogs.

          • RealHousewifeVA says:

            I know what you mean, but in the first part of the interview the producer gives their title when they were working on NJ and says they moved to Cali for another opportunity, so it didn’t seem like they were trying too hard to hide their identity.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            I was wary about that site too at first, MamaZ. I try to read ALL of them (Pro-Tre; Anti-Tre; Neutral) just to get a well-rounded picture. As I gave the site more of a chance, however, I noticed how exhaustively detailed and researched (particularly with regard to timelines and future events that were going to play out on the show based upon their “sources) everything was. Of course, it is VERY biased, but it is actually pretty good, IMO. SH also does a pretty good job of backing up certain things and predicting things from her “sources” that later turn out to be true.

            I also take Blind Items with a grain of salt; however, in my experience with these things, certain sites are known for having Blind Items that later turn out to be TRUE (They usually “reveal” once that actual person or situation has been revealed publically. They do not do it beforehand because they do not want to get sued).

            Speaking of Blind Items, was it Tin Man who placed a Blind Item on yesterday’s blog about a reality show where a cast member of a reality show was SLEEPING with a particular FEMALE producer in order to ensure that her “nemesis” was edited in the most unfavorable light possible? The Blind Item also noted that both the cast member AND the producer were FEMALE.

            Who knows? It sure does sound a LOT like Melissa Gorga and Cat Rodruiguez to me, though. I do not put it past Melissa for ONE single minute. I actually hear “hissing” sounds from her as I watch her slither across my t.v. screen at times.

            It would definitely be another piece of this whole puzzle of RHONJ that would allow it to make a little more sense (at least to ME). JMHO.

            • The Tin Man says:

              Yes, I did it, guilty as charged. When I get really bored I look at the blind gossip site and once in a while I find something that I think might be of interest here. Almost all the guesses about this particular one have been Melissa and the producer you mentioned. I don’t really believe Melissa likes girls but I wouldn’t put it past her to seduce one if it could help her cause. Of course, the whole thing could just be made up too.

              • LaineyLainey says:

                Is this the first you’ve heard of Mel and a girl? It isn’t right? There was a story in the Enquirer from one of her ex-gf.

                • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

                  No, I’d already heard about the story given to “The National Enquirer” by one of Melissa’s alleged ex-lesbian-girlfriend.

                  The way Mel also likes to play “grabass” and “grabtits” with Teresa also indicates that the former lesbian girlfriend of Melissa’s that sold her story to “The Enquirer” MIGHT have been telling the TRUTH. Maybe THAT is why, IMO, Melissa sometimes looks repulsed when Joey is grabbing at her and why she often tells him she is “too tired” for sex (because he is the wrong gender. Maybe she is secretly in love with TERESA instead of Joey…hence, the obsession. ROFL. This would make a great soap opera!).

                  So, according to that Blind Item, little Miss Melissa might have SLEPT her way to a GOOD edit and to the nationally televised CRUCIFIXION of her mortal enemy, Teresa.

                  I think Melissa would sleep with ANYBODY if it would advance her own personal agenda. Joey better keep a close eye on “The SoulDiggaz”!! LOL. JMHO.

                  • LaineyLainey says:

                    Exactly how many soul diggaz are there????? LOL!!!

                    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

                      Too many for Joey to have alone around Melissa’s HOT ass!! In the words of my father, “That’s the type of woman you can’t even leave anywhere around gasoline because she is so hot in the drawers, she’ll catch fire real quick!!”

                    • LaineyLainey says:

                      Going back to our religious references…Gives new meaning to the burning bush

                    • lovemamaearth says:

                      ROFL at burning bush. OMG

                • laineylainey…YEPPERS… it happened ( allegedly ) when Melissa Marco lived in Boca area…right around the time she was arrested for retail theft…hahahahahaha….. OH YEA..it’s in the red folder…!!!!!

    • Winston says:

      I recommend reading some of the comments on all the parts of the interview. They are some very long ones in particular that have great insight about the show and “characters.” There was one about Jacqueline that was brilliant!
      Was going to copy and paste here but it was so long it might have taken up half the comments.
      Great read!

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      I read that interview a few days ago, but I kinda skimmed it. I will have to go back and re-read it more carefully.

      Correct me if I am wrong about this, RHVA, but didn’t the person being interviewed say that Joe Giudice’s alleged phone call to his mistress was actually TOTALLY INNOCENT but edited to look otherwise? I think that’s what I remember (I still think Joe cheats on Teresa, though. I am now more inclined to believe that the phone call was spliced and chopped up to make it seem like something it was NOT. I did not think that before I read that interview. I also think everybody but Richie has cheated or is still cheating on their spouses over in Jersey. I’d bet 3 fat cows to 10 skinny monkeys that Joe Giudice is NOT the only one).

      • Called A Princess... says:

        This years NJ edit, was like a descent into hell. IMO.

      • Powell says:

        Detox I totally believe most of the husbands have or are cheaters too.

        • Sus says:

          That’s depressing. That means that there is more than one woman willing to sleep with the Joes and Ritchie. I’m kind of sick now.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            THANK YOU!! I mean, what the hell is wrong with these women?!!? Is it really THAT BAD out there?

            Oh, Richie is the only one who I think probably has NOT cheated (NOT because he would not do it if given the opportunity….but he’s just too gross to be given the opportunity by anyone by Katfish! JMHO). I mean, it’s BAD out there, but not THAT damned BAD!!

            • Sus says:

              Hey, a little guy with bigger breasts than you have, has no neck, a wife like Theresa, 4 little kids, two of which could set your hair on fire, in debt, has numerous legal troubles, calls his wife the C word, on TV, grunts his words instead of talking just might be someone’s dream man!

              • LaineyLainey says:

                So funny, Sus. I did have a mad crush on Juicy, but well… now…I mean, when you put it that way, you make him sound kinda yucky.

  47. WindyCityWondering says:

    I get that Ramona loves to wear designer’s fashions but IMO, the dress she wore at her charity fashion show didn’t look that great on her. I liked some of the other dresses. Her dress screamed spring/summer bridesmaid frock. Michelle where are you???

    • Orson says:

      Wouldn’t the dress Ramona wore be one provided by the designer for the fashion show for her to wear? My thoughts were at least it’s not satin and what’s with all the puff balls?

    • Kansas Girl says:

      She said it was by the designer who was putting on the show. But those plastic lumps were sure odd. I wonder how that would wash.

      • cusi77 says:

        The dress Ramona was wearing for her charity party reminds me the Candy Store Project Runway Challenge , I did not like it at all! Looked like made out of candy!

  48. lillybee says:

    Didn’t George realize that he was the only man at that function? He should have left right after he spoke to Ramona, after all he was not invited. None of the other men were there.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Even odder – Harry was supposed to escort Aviva there….another confrontation brewing with Ramona and her calling Harry perhaps? Harry backed out so Aviper sent the skeevy goat instead. Calculated.mean.and.crazy.

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        Wait? Harry was supposed to escort Aviva there? I TOTALLY missed that one. Is Harry as good as Reid at helping Aviva with the elevator and holding her hands throughout the entire event due to the extreme height of the location? Harry sounds like the type who would dump Aviva as soon as he walked through the door so he could make his rounds flirting with the ladies (as Aviva had a panic attack and fell down in a hysterical heap at the site of Ramona with a drink in her hand and Sonja flirting with a waiter. *Shrug*).

        • Winston says:

          I think she is referring to BB’s recap and she inserted “Harry Dubin” instead of “George What’s-his-name” when she was describing when George arrived at the event.
          I don’t think Harry had any part of the event or was ever going to escort Aviva. It was just a typo in the recap…..
          “She is hoping Aviva will not come since it’s on the 15th floor. All the women arrive and so does Harry Dubin, who makes nicey nicey with Luann. He tells Luann Aviva was going to come but she’s been scrapping with Ramona. Seems Harry was going to escort Aviva until at the last minute Aviva decided not to go and sends her father with a check. It didn’t even occur to her she could have mailed the check.”

          • BB says:

            You are correct. I meant to say her dad. The only reference to Harry at that party was when George told Ramona Harry Dubin said she made fun of Aviva’s phobias. Sorry about that. I was trying to get r done because I had to get up really early this morning to come up to VA.

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              No problem, BB. I’ve done the SAME thing in my own blogs.

            • Winston says:

              I knew what you meant when I read it. Thanks for all your amazing recaps. It does not go unnoticed even if I don’t always say it 😀

  49. Orson says:

    I’m trying something new. When I was reading the last posts on yesterday’s blog this morning, I decided rather than comment on those posts, I’d keep them in mind to post in today’s blog. So when I started reading today’s blog, I opened up a notebook page to take notes on what I wanted to say about the postings. So, let’s see how it worked.

    RHNY comments:
    Aviva seems to be on a crusade against Ramona. I don’t know if her ultimate goal is to “save” Ramona or just relentlessly hammer her down and punish her because Aviva can’t punish her own mother for being an alcoholic.
    Ramona: Yes, she’s unfiltered. And in previous seasons, she’s, in my opinion, partaken of the pinon grigio a bit too much. But I haven’t noticed as much of that this season. Except at parties or vacations, where, as long as she’s not going to be driving a vehicle home herself afterwards, I don’t have much issue with that.
    Carole: Yes, I’m becoming annoyed with her compulsive fence sitting. I’m beginning to think of her as the archtypical 60’s hippie earth mother. If I still got high, I might appreciate her more but I gave that up years ago.
    George: Just as a magnet is always attracted and drawn to ferrous metals, amoral George follows his penis, which is attracted to unmarried females. Or females unaccompanied by their husbands. He prefers the shotgun approach, i.e. proposition every owner/operator of a vagina he sees and sooner or later, he scores. Or gets close enough to slip something into her drink.
    Luann: She’s certainly a master of covering herself while delivering her passive aggressive shots. First the room sans portraits ” looks empty” to make Sonja really feel worse and then “Oh, but it’s a fresh start”. Cover your bases much?
    On to GG
    Liv: You’re so superior to everyone and everything, I guess we should all thank you for deigning to appear on a Bravo Reality Program so we can partake of your greatness, no matter how unworthy we are. Oh yeah, we get it. Your father is a famed art collector. Maybe you could drop his name a little more to get more worshippers.
    Chantal: You’re a pretentious irresponsible air-head. This month you’re a partner in an art gallery. When the gallery fails, partially because of your unwillingness to actually do any work there, what will you be next month?
    Amy: You drink more alcohol than you can handle and you’re an annoying drunk. Too bad about your father expecting you to support yourself now. Welcome to the real world.
    Maggie: The Dom/Sub thing going on between you and Levi is very unhealthy. And if you want to put on the airs of being a sophisticate, dump the binge drinking frat house boyfriend and his frat bros.
    Angela: Yes, you have a large vocabulary and you surround yourself with gay friends and pose nude for them. And you take snapshots at events.with an expensive camera. Don’t give up the waitressing job.

    • Lulu says:

      Lol! Love your take.

      I think overwhelmingly Liz was disappointed with Maggie. When she saw her true colors she didn’t like what she saw. I’ve seen this happen with friends where if you associate with one person then the other will dump you like bad news. Though it was annoying that this was Liz’s theme the ENTIRE episode practically.

    • Powell says:

      This is great Orson. I love your take on the shows.

  50. PrincessPindy says:

    Halla!!!
    I know I’m late to the party, just wanted to say, due to my past, if George had done that to me, he would have been on the floor looking up asking, “what happened.” It would have been so quick, I really wouldn’t have been thinking. Nobody touches me without my permission, period. I don’t even hug, and everyone that knows me, knows that. I tell people, “I’m not a hugger.” He needs to be in a home and so does Aviva!! Neither one should be roaming the streets! They are a danger to society, LOL!!!

  51. Tracyshea says:

    Has anyone else noticed that all of Alex’s video blogs are gone from Rumorfix.com? What happened?

  52. Ça va says:

    Naught But (Not, hee) Nice Rob wrote in HuffPo that “Carole [Radziwill], who is usually witty, was stunned being called out by the women on the couch — especially when Ramona [Singer] accused her of smoking pot,” one of the more senior cast members tells me.” Would that explain Carole’s rehab blog? Getting a dig in or just realizing that she shouldn’t be throwing stones regarding being an alcoholic when she might possibly be a pot head? Don’t bogart that joint, mah frien’, pass it over to ADD. Anything to help get that stick out of her ass!

    • T-Rex says:

      Look I would happily be hangin around the dippy, trippy chick with the weed, then the two over the hill drunk as shi*t morons who have no filter, no class and are climbing onto tables and trying to hump(not Coastser) anything that moves like a bitch in heat, including the poor staff that are just trying to do their jobs in the villa you are staying in.

      • Sus says:

        You got that right T-Rex. The worst that happens when you smoke is you might eat something! Not that I would know ANYTHING at all about this subject. Nothing, nope, dope, not me

      • MamaZ says:

        Me too. Ramona is awful. Really, really awful. She was a terrible houseguest in Miami and I can completely understand why Aviva doesn’t like her.
        Not that it gives Aviva the right to speak to her that way. Especially when she lies like about Heather telling her that Ramona and Sonja slept naked together. I don’t think Heather is the one who is lying. She has already proven that she isn’t afraid to take on Ramona.
        Also when Ramona tells her they were all dancing on the tables Aviva, who wasn’t even there, says it wasn’t true. Yet we saw Heather and Carole on the tables at the club were it was explained that it is a silly tradition. The only reason LuAnn didn’t dance on the table was because she was too busy hitting on Phony Depp.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      Aviva DEFINITELY needs JOINT — a GIANT one!

      I once dated the biggest WEEDHEAD on Earth. I tried it a couple of times, but all it did was put me to sleep and make me eat like a pig once I woke up. So that ended my brief relationship with ol’ “Mary Jane.” I prefer alcohol.

      For my ex-, on the other hand, weed seemed to calm down his HORRIBLE temper and make him more mellow and less offensive.

      That being said, and despite my preference, I think alcohol is infinitely worse and more dangerous than marijuana. You never see people high on weed who want to fight or commit a crime that involves any type of effort. They simply want to just lay around like a vegetable (although I have seen some people get extremely paranoid on it).

      Alcohol, on the other hand, can turn some people into real monsters and make certain situations worse and actually MORE violent. Some say a person’s TRUE PERSONALITY comes out when drunk (“A drunk MOUTH speaks a sober MIND” is what my Mom always says).

      I am a “happy drunk,” which means I get all “giggly” and “love the world” when I am “buzzed.” I wake up the next day and cannot believe that, the night before, I hugged my MORTAL ENEMY and told her a few jokes (Just kidding. I don’t have any mortal enemies).

      • Sus says:

        Amen! Marijuana should be legal and taxed. Many people swear by it when going through cancer treatments. People will say it’s a gateway to other drugs. Alcohol is the real gateway. There are little to no deaths contributed to marijuana. You cannot say that about alcohol.

        • Sam says:

          I agree! And marijuana can be better than anti-depressants at curing depression. I have a relative who was on three different medications to control his severe depression but developed side effects serious enough to lead his doctor to recommend he switch to medical marijuana. That was three years ago, and since then my relative has been doing great. (He has a good job and is engaged to be married in the spring.)

          • Sam says:

            I should have said “treating depression” instead of “curing depression,” because I don’t think depression is something you can cure.

        • lovemamaearth says:

          I agree. The war on drugs hasn’t worked as they planned. Wink Wink….It’s become the huge business some wanted.

      • AZGirl says:

        She needs to hang with Carole…smoke a few and have some sex because she is the most uptight woman I have ever seen. Reid has to be a saint. One lonely saint.

        • Ça va says:

          Looks like Carole is denying the pot smoking. Someone tweeted about Rob’s HuffPo article and tweeted that if true they liked Carole even more. Carole replied:
          Carole Radziwill ‏@CaroleRadziwill
          @______ Its not. R told me she lied b/c I said she was drunk in St. Barths & she was mad. She told me to say she was “buzzed” #semantics

      • Powell says:

        MJ wouldn’t even help Adiva. She seriously needs a psychiatrist. She needs to get a handle on her issues w/all the phobias, issues w/using Reid as a crutch and weird relationship w/her father. If she doesn’t get a handle on this she’s gonna pass all of this on to her kids. If something happens to Reid I don’t think she could cope. I can see her retreating and turning into an agoraphobic.

        • Ça va says:

          Online someone wrote that they thought she had Münchausen syndrome.

          • Powell says:

            But I thought that munchausen syndrome by-proxy was doing harm to yourself in order to invoke attention and sympathy from others. I think that it’s only Reid and George that pacify her and the ladies don’t feel any real sympathy for her.

            • Ça va says:

              Not by proxy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome

              • Powell says:

                Ha! I’m watching Twisted on ID Investigation & they are discussing this woman having munchousan. She deliberately hurt herself being Hospitalized on many occasions, lies, drawing attentio to themselves, a concious production of fake symptom s but based on unconscious motives. It’s called factisious disorder today.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            I have ABSOLUTELY NO QUALIFICATIONS to provide this DIAGNOSIS (other than my own personal LUNATIC family members. I’m not ashamed. We ALL have them), but I think Aviva has Borderline Personality Disorder.

            • Powell says:

              I’m not either Detox but from our life experiences and medical & forensic shows on tv we all know that there is something wrong /Adiva. Everyone has some type of issue but the average person doesn’t live like they are walking a tight rope and will fall off at any moment unless they have their security/crutches holding them up. That’s how Adiva lives IMO.

              • cocfarm says:

                She came to her breakfast meeting with Ramona armed to the hilt with daggered comments. This is not new behavior for her. She has something seriously wrong going on with her, I agree. I wonder how Carole and heather feel now after seeing the lunch with Sonja and her meeting with Ramona. I would hope they realize they are backing the wrong housewife.

                • LaineyLainey says:

                  She had the look of a horny bride on her wedding night” Didn’t she seem strangely aroused? Do you think she gets off on putting others down? Can you see her as a dominatrix? Sorry if my queries offend you folks, moderator please feel free to delete this comment.

                  • Sus says:

                    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! You described Aviva exactly right.

                  • cocfarm says:

                    It was odd. She was dressed like a conservative librarian, although I though it was a good look for her, but I get what you mean. To me it was as though she smelled blood in the water and was going in for the kill. Definitely a form of arousal. That’s why I think this is something she has done many times before. It’s a thrill for her. She thrives on it. She is one scary broad!

                  • Sus says:

                    She is like a dog on a bone. Aviva will not let it drop. Her intention couldn’t have been to get through the issue with how she acted. It is crazy.

                    I’m fascinated that the vacation was the worst vacation of her life. She’s never been stuck in a Holiday Inn kitchenette with 3 kids under 6, two of which are barfing for some reason, a dog and a husband who doesn’t care if it’s raining because he can get out of the hell and fish in the rain. She’s also never driven 500 miles there and back to take the little darlings to Disney World in August because that’s when the company has mandatory vacation.

                    • Powell says:

                      Oh sus I don’t think she could take on your vaca. She would prob fling herself off of a cliff. 🙂

                    • Sus says:

                      Thankfully, those were years ago. And, all I have to do is bring up the fishing while raining and Mr Sus automatically starts apologizing AGAIN and grovels.

                    • LaineyLainey says:

                      no kidding, Sus! She is so ungrateful. To a certain degree they are all ungrateful…those twits.

    • mrs. peabody says:

      I’ve often thought her laid back attitude was probably due to her being high. She just strikes me as someone who still smokes her dope on a regular basis.

  53. djprincessc says:

    Hi everyone! I have been meaning to ask if anyone else caught on Sunday night when Mark and Kelly were on WWHL the part when they show the clip of Joe Guicide on the phone in the vineyard, after the clip Andy asks Mark and Kelly what they think? Marks response was super quick “Joe Guicide is slipping!!!” (something to that affect) Did anyone catch the look that Kelly gave Mark!!!??? It was like a death stare with a little smile! Sooooo that kinda shows me maybe Mark has done some sneaky things in the past? Hmmm?? Kelly Ripa annoys me, she used to be ok when she first became known but know she’s way too into herself and thinks she’s soooooo funny. Anyway, why is it that RHW of NJ was a whole 5MONTHS and RHW of NY has been what 2??? Does anyone know why??

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      Actually RHoNY has been 4 months (they aired the first epi very early June, 4th or 5th). All in all I think Jersey is going to be a total of 23 episodes and NY is going to be 20 or 21, so they are not that much difference in length. The problem is with Jersey they had quite a few weeks where they skipped airing an episode due to conflicting schedules (Olympics, Memorial Day, etc) but I don’t think they skipped NY at all this season. And Jersey just seemed to drag on because it was the same ol’ same old, plus we’ve been hearing about all this stuff for a year at this point, it’s become ridiculous.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      I wish Kelly would have retired with Regis. So tired of her. Too much face time. I’ll never buy an appliance that she advertizes & I won’t watch anything she’s on.

      • djprincessc says:

        AGREE. I don’t get what makes her appealing or funny.

      • cocfarm says:

        She was great on All My Children and I really liked her. Somewhere along the way, she became someone else, or a shell of what she was.

        • Sus says:

          shell or skeleton?
          A long time ago I read that she was planning to work until she had a nest egg large enough to live off of and then she’d retire never to be seen on TV again. I wonder how long that is going to take?

    • LaineyLainey says:

      OH YEAH… I noticed that comment from Mark and the look from the wife. He cut that little shtick real quick like.

  54. stellastars21 says:

    Hey DETOX!!! So glad you’re back. I hope you have a full speedy recovery.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      Ditto from me. I’m delighted to see you back Detox.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      Hey Stella! Thanks.

      I actually crawled my way back to the blog yesterday. I felt o.k. yesterday, but today is a ROUGH day. Despite taking ibuprofen, I now feel like I am being stabbed on my entire right side whenever I take a deep breath. I’m also feeling more run-down, and I get tired after just performing the simplest of tasks. I still have shortness of breath that comes and goes too.

      The doctor told me I might not be back to my full self in 2 weeks (It has already been 1 week); however, with the way I’m feeling right now, I think it might take me a bit longer. I’ve read online that it can take some people much longer. I hope I am not one of those people because I am IMPATIENT!!!

      Also, my Mom just asked me this morning if I could try to pick up another contract job around their house (I do not live in the same city as them) so I can stay a bit longer to help her out because my Dad is scheduled to have cataract surgery soon and will be out of work and at home (needing help) for a full SIX weeks. She is afraid that she will still be healing from her back surgery and need help with my Dad because he is DIFFICULT (to put it mildly).

      I love my parents, and I don’t mind helping them out AT ALL because they have done SO MUCH for me (I just feel like I will NEVER make it to Houston, which was where I was trying to move after I got laid off and started picking up contract legal and paralegal jobs to make ends meet).

      Oh well….God has a plan. This all MUST be happening for a reason that only HE knows and that he will reveal to me in time. *Sigh*

      I just keep telling myself to focus on ALL of my blessings and to remember…..

      THAT…

      IT…..

      IS……

      ABOUT……

      THE CHILDREN WITH NO LEGGGGGGGGS!!!!!!!! (Hey, I gotta laugh to keep from crying sometimes. It is the way I COPE! 😀 ).

      • Nancy says:

        Hi Detox,
        Please when you see this e-mail me.

      • AZGirl says:

        Detox you really need to rest. I don’t want what happened to me to happen to you. I was pushing it due to work and the kids and WHAM. Very sick. Like the kind of stuff that people die from. Pain your side could be another infection or worse. Please talk to your doctor about maybe another xray and stronger antibiotics.

        • Nancy says:

          AZGirl,
          I just e-mailed her the EXACT same thing. I almost died from a lung infection myself.
          It was a nightmare.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Thanks AZGirl and Nancy. I have been trying to rest, but maybe I need to rest MORE. If I still feel this way tomorrow, I’ll head on back to the E.R. Thanks so much to the both of you for the concern and advice. It is MUCH appreciated, believe me! (((AZGirl))) and (((Nancy))).

      • Lulu says:

        LOL that’s what I tell telemarketers who don’t find me funny and hang up on me 😦

      • Powell says:

        Did you overdo it yesterday? Take it slow so that you don’t have a setback. How is momma Detox feeling? I hope better. 🙂

      • LaineyLainey says:

        I love your sense of humor! It is ALL ABOUT THE CHILDREN WITH NO LEGS!!! For some reason your post about God’s plan…it reminded me of this line from “Fiddler on the Roof”
        [to God]
        Tevye: I know, I know. We are Your chosen people. But, once in a while, can’t You choose someone else?
        LOVE THAT MOVIE

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          That’s kinda like the Saint (I think it was Saint Augustine) who, before he became a priest or devout or whatever (Hey, I’m a lapsed Catholic. I’ve forgotten some of this stuff), used to pray, “God, please make me worthy to be one of your divine servants and saints…..just….not….YET” (because he was still having too much fun living a life of sin and was not quite ready for God’s plan for him to give that all up and become devout).

          I guess God has a sense of humor because I think he let good ol’ St. Augustine take his own sweet time before he decided to devote himself to God’s calling.

          Oh, I found the quote: “God give me CHASTITY and CONTINENCE….but NOT YET!”

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            Here’s another one: “Oh Lord, help me to be PURE….but NOT YET.”

            • Sus says:

              These comments remind me of a very Christian family I know. Everything they do and everything that happens relates to God. They recently said that Granddad finally accepted Jesus as his savior on his deathbed. I couldn’t help but think that’s the perfect way to do it. Have all the fun and repent in the end.
              Okay, I know, bus leaving for hell and I’m driving it.

            • LaineyLainey says:

              My coworker says that she prays: “Lord if you can’t make me skinny, would you please make my friends fat?”

              • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

                ROFL. I am laughing even though it hurts when I laugh. I don’t CARE. Laughter is still good medicine. I think I would be friends with that co-worker.

                I remember when my gay husband and I would be over at each other’s apartments visiting and reciting our various BLUES (We lived in the same complex while he was in Med School, and I was in Law School).

                He once said (with a cigarette in one hand stuck out at his side with FLAIR and a glass of wine in the other), “Girl, I KNOW!! I have the SERIOUS BLUES too. It was so bad the other day that I thought, ‘I would KILL myself right now, but my apartment is an absolute MESS! What would the people say about my cleaning habits once they found my dead body lying amongst all of this mess??!! So, I cannot do it until I CLEAN UP!!”

                That’s when I knew he and I were SOULMATES because I had had the EXACT SAME THOUGHTS on the same day he had them! 😀 (Then again, I am the type of person to clean up before a cleaning lady comes so she won’t have as much to do….and also so she will not JUDGE me! :-D).

                • LaineyLainey says:

                  🙂 I totally get that…the thought of how I would be remembered…lying in my own filth??? Oh gosh, I would wait to clean up, too!!

      • chismosa says:

        Detox hope you are feeling well, glad you are back, i like your viewpoint. i always can tell when i’m getting to your comments because you have fabulous paragraph structure and all caps on a few words in. 😉

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Hi, Chismosa (*Waving*). I like your viewpoint too. Yeah, the whole CAPS thing…I try to stop it, but it’s like CRACK. One CAPPED WORD to prove a point (even though it makes me look like a screaming lunatic), and I’m HOOKED!!!

          I have an addictive personality, though.

          That’s why I had to join a 12-Step for the Chat Room. It is also why I gave myself the name I have (*Shrug*). 😀

          • chismosa says:

            i CAP also. I get it. I do it on emails too. But i actually am a very loud speaker and very demonstrative when i talk, so it goes with my voice in a way (people always tell me).

            I have an addictive personality too…. !

  55. ladyballs says:

    for me, the take-away points from the famewhorgas site interview are:
    1) melissa was a dancer
    2) all of them were set up by the producers.

    • MamaZ says:

      I believe Kathy when she said she didn’t know anything was going on. Because I don’t think Kathy matters to production. IMO she was only added to the cast so Mel would have an ally. Once the other women befriended the Gorgas Kathy became worthless. If Kathy were smarter she would have switched her allegiance to Teresa. That would probably have bought her another season as a full Housewife if famewhorga is right that she is being demoted to a friend of.

    • Sus says:

      Yup! That’s my take-away too. You can’t tell me that Joe Gorga would be upset either that Melissa was a dancer. He’d LOVE that. I can just hear him talking to his friends about it. I’m just surprised they wanted to keep it hidden. Probably because of their kids.

      • dch60 says:

        But what is she doing now? She’s a dancer now too! That’s why I don’t get what the big deal is. She’s out there now being a wife and mother of three dancing in front of a lot more people than she would have been at Lookers. Teresa was correct… it was a big deal about nothing.

  56. Orson says:

    Some blog is saying that “insiders” have reported that Teresa won’t be offered a contract for the next season of NJ. I don’t think it’s worth a cite, as sooner or later every blog following the show puts that out.

    • ladyballs says:

      famewhorgas is saying she 100% definitely is coming back and kathy is gone

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      Well then Caroline and Jac got what they wanted. It’s the same way they got rid of Danielle. I also read that Kathy won’t be offered back next season either.

    • Tracyshea says:

      Radaronline is saying she will get a spin off. That will make all of happy. I can watch NJ and Tre fans can watch her and I cannot. Win win!

      • Powell says:

        I think she’d be better off w/her own show. In one of her blogs she said she didn’t want that but she’s saying that about a “reality show” NJ style. I think she needs a show w/a different spin.

        Kathy doesn’t bring anything except letting Caroline pull her strings. T & her family played it all wrong. They should’ve come together as a family and been able to get “their” own show and leave the Manzo/Laurita’s in the dust.

  57. Lady Chatterley says:

    Such a great tweet:

    Skylar& Grace Alexis @QueenzOfMedia
    19h
    This isn’t “who shot JFK” …. but they did try to make Angelo the Lee Harvey Oswald of this plot…..he missed his target. #RHONJ

  58. lovemamaearth says:

    looks like i put this on the NJ blog… sorry . …. Alex’s blog is up http://rumorfix.com/2012/09/alex-mccord-calls-out-ramona-singer-is-shocked-by-luann-de-lesseps/

  59. dch60 says:

    Just trying to catch up on some of the blogs… I’m so far behind… Anyway, I hate to bring up Jersey right now but it has to do with something that was brought up yesterday.

    Supposedly Danielle Staub is currently in the middle of a bankruptcy. She is (allegedly) waiting until everything is settled before she starts “spilling those beans” so she’s able to keep any money she makes from the mess free and clear. Undoubtedly there’s mags out there that will pay big bucks to her for the dirt. It does sound plausible. Hopefully she can do that soon so she can strike while the iron is still hot. We don’t know what season five will bring… for all we know they will all be gone (I doubt it but ya never know).

    BB… great job on RHoNJ yesterday btw. It’s not one that many (or should I say any?) would want to take on since it’s so contentious… but you did a great job in neutralizing it… hats off to you.

    Now, I’m skipping the rest of the comments from yesterday so I can read today’s blog. I’ve had my fill of NJ anyway. I can’t wait… Revenge starts Sunday!!! That’s a great reward for putting up with so many grueling RHoNJ episodes. I’ll record the reunion so I can fast forward. 🙂

    • dch60 says:

      Oh good… I see I wasn’t the first to bring up Jersey here… lol Don’t know if this was posted already then, however, I did read it a while back.

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        It always seems to come back to New Jersey…it is so twisted and convaluted that it takes a whole week to digest and by that time , they hit us again with a new one.

        • dch60 says:

          The only housewife thing lower than NJ this season was the whole mess with Russell and Taylor. Can’t believe she’ll be back. Hopefully not for long.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            I’m with you. Taylor is lower than a snake’s belly. I truly hope RHOBH is slowly going to phase her out, as has been rumored.

            By the way, that RHOBH trailer was AWESOME. Kyle in her fur sashaying through the snow; Brandi in her fur and Dr. Zhivago hat sexily sipping on an ice-cold drink in the middle of cold air and ice; and finally, the QUEEN, Lisa Vanderpump, in ALL her glory with her matching white Dr. Zhivago hat and coat walking regally through (holding Giggy, I THINK) until the trailer ended.

            LOVED IT!!

    • Powell says:

      dch60 I’m hoping there’s no Danielle next season. Let her spill it in a mag or some other show. And from your lips to gods ear that there is q whole new cast.
      I am so looking forward to Revenge.

      • dch60 says:

        Oh I don’t want Danielle back either although I’d take her over some of them on there currently. I would enjoy reading what she has to say in a mag though and would love to know what really happened between her and Melissa. (Would still question the truth to whatever she said.) As far as season 5… a new cast will be it’s only saving grace.

        I recorded the last few episodes of Revenge and I’m going to watch them before it starts on Sunday. It will be so great to look forward to Sunday nights again… lol

        • LaineyLainey says:

          Hi there! Just wondering, does Danielle have a history of outright lying? I don’t seem to remember that about her.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            I THOUGHT she did because I believed what everybody else in the cast said about her: that she was a LYING LIAR who LIES.

            Now, I’m questioning most of the things I thought about Danielle.

            It seems like, as disturbed as she was (I do think she was a bit disturbed), she still told the TRUTH about most of them (even though they denied it) — and she still did not tell the HALF of it out of some sense of loyalty to Jac.

            From what I’ve read, however, her loyalty to Jac is now gone and all bets are off. I’m just wondering why she still has not told all. I DO know that she admitted being the one who sold a story to the tabloids about Jac being a stripper and an escort in Vegas, where she stripped at a place called “The Glitter Gulch.” When that story came out, Jac CONSTANTLY tweeted how Teresa sold that particular story of lies about her being a stripper to the tabloids.

            Well, Danielle had a falling out with one of her twitter super-fans, who revealed to the world texts between herself and Danielle where Danielle said how SHE, NOT Teresa, had sold that story about Jac.

            When people confronted Jac with this and told her she owed Teresa apology for blaming her and putting that wrong information out there, Jac,’s mature response was, “Well, she still sells stories about HERSELF. So, I don’t think I should have to apologize to her!!” (I can almost picture Jac saying “NaNaNa Boo Boo” while she typed that tweet.).

            • LaineyLainey says:

              oh this is juicy stuff. I couldn’t remember a time when Danielle lied. She was used and discarded by most of her castmembers; that’s how I remember it. She was a damaged, lonely and desperate woman. She loved her girls and seemed to raise them well. She was desperate for those women (Dina and Jac especially) to accept her. She couldn’t say “women” – she was desperate for love, she was obsessed with the manzos’ rejection of her, she was desperate to hang on to her youth, she was somewhat unapologetically promiscuous, but I don’t remember her lying.

              • PJ says:

                I think Caro and Jac have manufactured drama and made accusations about lying when they were the ones lying all along. They still do it.

          • dch60 says:

            I know this is a late response but you’re correct and I myself have even defended her on this before so I don’t know what I was thinking adding that in there. She may have been delusional at times but that’s not the same as intentionally lying. I should have worded it that OTHERS may not take it for the truth. Because she is overtly flawed, she may not be looked upon as credible by many, even though that is quite unfair.

  60. Eastbayca says:

    Found some interesting info on Sonja and her ex’s case….
    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ct-court-of-appeals/1606852.html

    • Powell says:

      This is ridiculous. The only thing that happened was the attorneys got paid, Sonja got shafted, and her ex got a delay. He should be ashamed.

  61. lovemamaearth says:

    Did anyone see Katie Couric today? What oh what had Barbra Streisand done to her face? Her eyes look soo…. odd.

  62. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    Teresa’s blog is up….9 pages I think…and good!!!

    • Powell says:

      Oh Lordy.

      • Sus says:

        I’m ignoring my family’s cries for dinner and going in. Someone save me if you don’t hear from me again.

        • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

          You back yet Sus?????

          • Sus says:

            Thank you for checking on me. I’m back. Mr Sus gave up and made dinner 🙂
            I don’t think Theresa set Melissa up. Bravo did that. Melissa could have avoided the whole thing by putting it out there already so that Bravo couldn’t use it.
            You cannot go on TV these days without your whole past coming out. The internet won’t let you have secrets.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      Teresa’s blog writer knocked it outta the park once again. I MUST say. She brought up things even I did not notice (and I watched that damned episode like a hawk).

      Why, oh why, could they not have that blog writer talking through an earpiece to Teresa through the damned Reunion? It looks to me like the Reunion is going to be a big ol’ HOT ASS MESS with damned near EVERYBODY “showing their ass” and acting like the only CLASS they have happens to be LOW!!

      I’m ready for RHOBH.

      If Jersey comes back, I want the ENTIRE show to be centered around MILANIA Giudice. Watching her navigate elementary school politics and playground would be INFINITELY more interesting than watching the ADULTS to whom she unfortunately happens to be related.

      They could even try to put Milania in a pageant or something and get her a gay pageant coach to show her how to “work it.”

      Or they could sign her up for Girl Scouts, and we could watch her bully people into buying her damned cookies OR ELSE!!

      I would also like her to have televised therapy sessions where she talks about her parents and all of her other relatives. I’m sure she’d be straight and to the point (Therapist: So, tell me, Milania, how do you feel about your Father? Milania: He’s an ol’ troll that sometimes gives me pizza. He is also as strong as a dragon. Therapist: How do you feel about your sister, Gia? Milania: She THINKS she’s a cooker, but she’s REALLY a hooker. Look, Doc, I’ve got a playdate I’ve set up…basically, I’ve got places to go and people to see. Let’s say we just cut this session short and bill my parents for the full hour. They’re so dumb. They won’t even notice. Oh yeah, you didn’t ask me about my Aunt Melissa. Well, I’ll tell you: She STINKS. See ya next week, Doc!”).

  63. Nancy says:

    Detox,
    Please e-mail me if you see this. Thanks.

  64. JenninFL says:

    New promo for the NJ Reunion! Holy shit at Rosie yelling at the end. ALL these people are is nothing but violent trash!!

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/09/real-housewives-new-jersey-reunion-video-teresa-giudice-melissa-gorga-joe

    • JenninFL says:

      Need to delete the *is

    • PJ says:

      Helps us to appreciate the kind of people we are watching.

    • amalfi says:

      Rosie is beyond overrated and is just as trashy as all of them.

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        Is it just me or does Rosie kinda always look like she has a greasy “sheen” to her face and body? I like Rosie, but I have noticed this. I have also noticed that Chris, Lauren and Caroline Manzo also sometimes have this greasy “sheen” as well.

        I wonder if somehow, some way, WAAAAAAY on down the line, any of them are related to Jermaine Jackson (Yes, that would be Michael’s older brother) because he is the GREASIEST person I have ever seen on television. It’s like the “sheen” never leaves him, and it makes him look like a Claymation figure.

        I wonder if this is a condition…..Hmmmm….

        • Called A Princess... says:

          I think Jermaine’s drip’s down from his hair. The others , I would guess get over heated from the camera lights. And so does Jermaine. I have seen him seriously sweat during interviews. I think most prevaricators do sweat unless they are professionals, like politicians. LOL

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      I saw Rosie get reamed on twitter for that…

    • chismosa says:

      where is Rosie? i just watched this clip, same as the one on People, i never saw Rosie on this? I thought it’s one of the Joe’s screaming at the end…?

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        It’s off camera…so you can’t see it. It definitely sounded like Rosie and on twitter she didn’t deny it was her but who knows.

        • chismosa says:

          WOW. thanks! That is just crazzzzzy. But then again, who the hell knows what she’s screaming about in the first place. This is going to be a doozy

  65. dch60 says:

    I don’t understand why Aviva asked Sonja to lunch to apologize and try and work things out. Yet with Ramona she was just relentless with her nasty, ridiculous comments. How did she expect Ramona to act? How long did she expect Ramona to sit there and take it? I actually thought Ramona handled it as well as she could. I agree with whoever said she only stayed as long as she did because of previous comments about her running away from an argument.

    Everything Aviva bashed Ramona for, Sonja was “guilty” of also yet Aviva wanted to give Sonja a pass and apologized for her rant against her in St. Barths. Ramona deserved an apology also. I don’t understand why Aviva handled each so differently.

    Aviva is incredibly judgmental and considering the behavior of her father, it makes her criticisms even more ludicrous.

    I was also initially annoyed with Carole’s comments to George, telling him he’s a good guy, etc., however, I understand that she probably treated him that way as to not cause a bigger scene at Ramona’s event.

    My first thought was that Ramona was out of line calling and talking to Aviva’s ex-husband about her, then I remembered that they’re good friends. Without hearing the conversation, I can’t judge it. She may have been calling out of compassion and/or to try and understand Aviva’s phobias. I don’t believe it was malicious. I do feel that Ramona has a good heart… she at least tries. I believe that Ramona and her intentions are easily misunderstood.

    Aviva leaves no question.

    Also, last night Aviva said it was no big deal that she missed Ramona’s event. She didn’t go since it was on the 50th floor and she’s afraid of heights… she condoned it since she sent money (via her father)… yet when Ramona and Sonja missed Aviva’s event (for good reasons IMO) Aviva was angry and thought it was inexcusable for them to miss any event (of hers?) for charity… even though Ramona DID give her a check. What’s the difference? She thinks her excuse is valid and their’s weren’t? There she goes judging and being hypocritical again!

    BTW, I don’t like heights either but it doesn’t bother me if I’m in a building. As long as I’m not out on a balcony or on a see-through floor or something. Doesn’t even bother me to look out the window, but I don’t like to get too close or would/could never lean against the window. I realize that doesn’t mean anything… everyone is different. Not crazy about flying either even though I’ve done it dozens of times and would never NOT fly if I have to. Even so, I’d much rather fly by myself than with loved ones. That way I only have to worry about myself… I would imagine if I had kids I’d feel even stronger about this. Oh well, que sera sera.

    • Powell says:

      I know these ladies like camera time but I don’t know why Ramona sat there to listen to Adiva’s crap.

      • chismosa says:

        i think it’s like what was said above– she feels Aviva will cop out and just call her a wimp for not staying to listen to the insults like Aviva expects her too since Aviva was given every single thing she ever desired in the whole world her whole life. Maybe Ramona wanted to let Aviva hang herself? Though it’s pretty obvious how painful it was for Ramona. I don’t know how she did it. I almost broke my television.

        ~dch60- i agree with your take on Ramona.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Ramona always does certain things that make me laugh my a*s off and just “give me LIFE”. Her sitting there in broad daylight in that restaurant with those HUGE sunglasses just looking at Aviva throw her tantrum was just hilarious to me for some reason.

          I had the same reaction when she got out her I-Pad to Google “White Trash.” The thing that is so funny about it is that Ramona is DEAD SERIOUS when she pulls these wacky stunts. That’s what makes them even funnier to me.

          She should have thrown water in Aviva’s face and walked out, head held high, sunglasses still on while Aviva hobbled after her shrieking while Ramona ran furiously away and threatened to push Aviva in an elevator alone if she did not stop following her.

          • looneylucy says:

            ITA Detox. But to make the sunglass thing even funnier is that on WWHL last nite, Candypants (Andy) showed the footage of Ramona walking into the venue. And she didn’t have her sunglasses on. She put them on while entering the building!!

            If I were Ramona in that situation, I believe i would have exchanged pleasantries upon arriving, and once Adiva started on her rampage i would have sat silent until she was done and then proceed to get up quietly, gather my bag(s) and walk out. I would not have engaged her at that point given her history.

            I hope you are feeling better soon, and so glad to see you back. Prayers to your folks, too.

          • chismosa says:

            i think that is the essence of why Andy loves her– she is serious in her wackiness. Not playing up for camera.
            But i love Ramona too, so who knows.. and we can never rationalize why Andy has his favorites on each show

  66. boston02127 says:

    Missed the show but from the posts I can see that Aviva needs to….
    Leggo….of her issues.
    Leggo….of her anger.
    Leggo…of her daddy love.
    Leggo…of her self entitlement.
    Leggo…of her insecurities.
    Leggo….of her bitchyness.
    Leggo…of her insulting behaviour.
    Leggo…of her imature b/s.
    Leggo….of her righteousness.
    Leggo…of her insanity.
    Leggo…of my Eggo.
    🙂

  67. BB says:

    I really think Bravo is making a big mistake running all of these housewife shows and reunions back to back to back. There’s something to be said for the waiting and anticipation of something. To have to watch one reunion part on a Sunday night for NJ and then watch another reunion part for NY on a Monday night is just too much all at once. Meantime on Thursdays, they’re running the Miami housewives on Thursdays nights (and I don’t think it’s a long season) and right after the NJ and NY reunions, here comes Beverly Hills and Atlanta. Housewives ad nauseum. Once people get sick of the Real Housewives of Whatever City format, and that’s already happening, Bravo’s got nothin. Maybe they see the end of the road and are trying to get every last drop of juice out of these turnips before they call it a day on these housewives shows.

    • Powell says:

      Maybe BB cause when you lay it all out it’s so much. So maybe Bravo thinks HWs has “jumped the shark”.

    • chismosa says:

      i agree with you, i didn’t even know the finale of NY was next week until i just watched last night’s episode (i’m behind on the blogs so forgive me if it was mentioned here…)

      This is way too much. How to deal with everything in NJ and also NY reunions? too too much

  68. Powell says:

    dch60 666 Park Avenue w/Vanessa Williams premiers Sunday also. I want to see that.

  69. Ça va says:

    Carole comes out swinging. She tweets:
    Carole Radziwill ‏@CaroleRadziwill
    @___________ No one understands @SonjatMorgan blog. These women are 2 invested in their phony storylines. #keepingitreal

  70. ladyballs says:

    WOW. tre does herself no favors. ooooof
    her bravo blog is a hoot.

    • PJ says:

      I thought her blog was honest. Good for her.

      • Nancy says:

        So did I. I hope Bravo gives her her own show.

        • rabblerouser2010R says:

          I think I would rather see her on RHONJ with a new cast than her own show…just because I don’t like the idea of Bravo giving Bitter Clown and Wacko Jaco the power to ice people out..

          • Nancy says:

            I agree but it would give Teresa a break from these nasty people.
            NJ would fail if Teresa wasn’t on the show don’t you think?

            • melthehound says:

              Honestly, would anyone Really want to watch Momz Manzo hovering over her kiddies making sure they get fed for the day? Does anyone really care that Poison Angel From God has to beg to ‘release’? Maybe we can watch Auto Tune release another shitty song and try to look like JLo when she says ‘Thank You Jesus’. How about what’s her name- oh yes- Kathy and her fish expert husband. What is his shtick going to be if Teresa isn’t there for him to bash? Of course we can watch Drunken Heinz aka Jac sit on the couch and tweet how sad and pathetic her life has become.

              There, I just recapped S5 of RHONJ.. You’re welcome 😉

        • Birdwoman says:

          I actually really liked this blog. I actually liked that she addressed some things directly. I like that she told people that she did an interview to address some of the accusations Melissa is spewing all over the place since Sunday.

    • chismosa says:

      does her blog get reprinted on here later this week? i will not spend time reading 12 pages of whatever her writer wrote for her so i hope i can see snippets here

      • LaineyLainey says:

        There you are chismosa! What do you have against her writer? LOL!! she be good!!

        • chismosa says:

          hi Lainey, hope you are well. i tried to take a break around NJ days as i know it gets heated here… i hope everyone is good!
          Too many finales coming up around now… it’s just too much. Along with regular tv shows that are all starting right now. I think i’m getting a cold too so that makes me hate Teresa a wee bit more since i’m grouchy. ha!

      • RealHousewifeVA says:

        lol, Teresa’s writer is the best blog writer on all the Housewives shows! I swear, they better get paid very well

        • Powell says:

          I hope so.

        • chismosa says:

          You know, i literally would pay to watch clips online or wherever- of Teresa’s writer sitting down with Tre to analyze what T is saying and trying to then re-interpret/ translate it into regular American grammar. Like when Luann had her writer with her for her book over to her house. I literally would pay money to see that i’d enjoy it so much.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            You oughta pitch that to Bravo. This could be how it goes:

            Tre: “I was like feeling all like wacko wango jango, and Juicy has two days to think about it with the wine and all.”
            Writer: “So what you really mean to say is it that you have endured your sister-n-law’s deception for long enough and you’re no longer going to stay quiet about it?”
            Tre:”ummm…yeah… I mean, like pango pango!”
            Writer: “Ok, got it! Thanks Teresa!”

  71. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    Melissa’s blog is posted but I think too many people went to read-the Bravo site isnt showing it in the BLOGS and the link will not load…

  72. WindyCityWondering says:

    WTH -Teresa’s blog is nine pages long and it all about her – her feelings, her reactions, her responses to questions asked of her! Teresa, Teresa, Teresa….oh never mind, I just realized this wasn’t one of the others’ blog. Sorry.

  73. Powell says:

    Is anyone watching the new comedy on Fox Ben and Kate? It’s kinda funny.

  74. Powell says:

    BB are you looking forward to TCM finale tomorrow night?

    • BB says:

      Yes! I don’t really care who wins. I think they are both talented. If I had to pick one, I’d say Chris, but Kerry’s been on fire lately.

  75. RealHousewifeVA says:

    I read Teresa’s blog and it IS interesting that Melissa called the guy Angelo when she called Joey at the show when Teresa kept calling him ‘the bald guy’…things that make you go HMMMM

    • VV says:

      First, she does not remember him…then all of the sudden she remembers his name. Now, don’t get me wrong. That can happen to any of us. The problem with Melissa is that she has a history of lying. She has lied to us on camera looking straight at the camera and she has done that all season long… so absolutely… hmmmmmmmmm

  76. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    I know some people were asking what Sonja’s interns do and if and how they get school credit for being her intern. If you watch the WWHL after show-you will find out!!!

  77. cdnfillie58 says:

    You know I don’t think Teresa cares one iota how people perceive her actions or non actions. She’s in her own little world loving the attention whether it’s negative or positive. I’m pretty much over her same as I got way over Danielle.

    As for Aviva…I was just watching the battle of wits between Ramona and Aviva again…couldn’t help but think how wild Aviva would have been if Ramona had just kept totally silent during her rant and just smiled at her and nodded her head..gives me the giggles just thinking about it 😛

    • Powell says:

      cdn I think you’re right about T. She’s loving ALL of the attention.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      I think both Teresa and Melissa are very similar in that way. Look at them both making the rounds on talk shows and magazines. They could care less about their families, just about being the most popular and topping eachother. They are so similar, which is why they hate eachother.

      • Birdwoman says:

        All of these houswives LOVE the attention. I can’t think of why anyone would want to expose yourself to this stuff unless you are a completely vain person.

      • chismosa says:

        Melissa is on 1 cover. Just 1. No prop-rented dogs, no kids.
        I had never seen Melissa go on a talk show alone without the rest of the ladies or at the very least Kathy until this week on Wendy – correct me someone if i’m wrong. Maybe she did other times? She has her songs to promote- i can’t believe one got so high on itunes, that’s pretty good i have to say, even Melissa haters can say that was pretty good. She’s ‘hustling’ on her songs.

        I never found Jennifer Lopez to be that attractive (for a Latin woman; Salma Hayek to me is more ‘beautiful’), plus JLo’s had work done to her face so i find Melissa to be somewhat even more attractive naturally. Plus JLo doesn’t hold the patent on dressing a certain way. Mel dresses differently from the other wives- i think that’s cool, she is younger than the others on her show so she can dress a different way- IMO. Way better than some Count Dracula outfit.

  78. Sus says:

    Does anyone know why my name is clickable? I don’t care, you can just see my twitter name. I was just wondering though.

  79. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    Melissa just tweeted ..”Does anyone feel like T is doing her reversal again in her blog? She is describing herself to a T…#sheislosingit”

  80. lizzle says:

    I just read Teresa’s blog and I don’t think Teresa is coming back to RHONJ because she said this:

    ” I guess I’m actually thankful this all happened now because when the real Marco skeletons come out, I’ll be far far away from her and she can’t try to blame me for those too.”

    • PJ says:

      I think she is finally done with Mel for good. I don’t think it has anything to do with the show.

      • lizzle says:

        I can see Bravo giving her own show. I think she has the star power, is interesting (good or bad/ the whole season has been about her) and leads a very busy life…. she could hold her own show. I mean…. Honey Boo Boo is doing it!

        • LaineyLainey says:

          “I mean…. Honey Boo Boo is doing it!”^^^^^^^^It’s official folks the bar has hit an all time low!!! LOLOLOLOL!!! I could cry, but it won’t help so I’ll just have to laugh.

          • klmh says:

            The dumbing down of America is so apparent, isn’t it?

            • rabblerouser2010R says:

              I’ve been watching supernatural where these “monsters” that have been around long before the existence of mankind get released from purgatory. They posses the bodies of powerful so they can start to take control. They also like to eat people but at the same time don’t want to draw attention to themselves so they start putting all these additives in food to dope people up and make them obvious to what was happening around them.

              I think if it were reality, they would buy cable networks and produce more ‘reality tv’.

          • cocfarm says:

            Honey boo boo. That belongs further up thread with Boston’s waffle comments!

    • klmh says:

      What is it with the Marco skeleton?

  81. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    Oh well….Melissa’s blog was a bust…short and…well short.

  82. LaineyLainey says:

    Was it hairy and full of disgusting poison, too?

  83. Powell says:

    I just saw on Twitter that Kathy will be debuting her deserts on QVC, called Dolcidellade 12/15. Some guy tweeted her and QVC he will no longer shop QVC cause Ritchie is foul mouhthed and demeaning to women. He will now shop HSN. Ha. Well at least Kathy is finally doing something w/her talent. I wonder if that guy that was at her tasting is behind her brand?

    • LaineyLainey says:

      Yes, I think it was the same guy. She’s giddy with excitement, she’s quite the sales lady, I think. I hope it’s worth it for her since she sold out her cousin for this opportunity. She should thank Teresa – – – why else would anyone know who she or Melissa are? Autotune and Katfish together for ever. Good luck to them both.

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      Did you notice who the doctor was who supported Adrienne’s claims? Dr. Sophy the same hack who backed Taylor.

    • looneylucy says:

      Thanks diva. Haven’t been to that site in a while. My hope was that the tepid woman would not be allowed to keep those children away from their father. I don’t believe her claims of abuse.

  84. cocfarm says:

    Does anyone here watch dexter or homeland? I am so excited for Sunday.

    • Powell says:

      No. Homeland won some Emmys.

      • california35 says:

        that show won many, at least the best drama, actress, and actor.

        • Sus says:

          Homeland is the best drama show on TV. I haven’t watched Dexter but I know I’m missing something there.

          • cocfarm says:

            I agree. Claire Danes and Damien ( don’t remember his last name) are fab. So is Mandy patinkin. I love that show. Tv guide said they were not sure they could top the first season but after seeing the first two episodes of the second season, they say they have topped it. Homeland is one of those shows that at the end of the show, I’m a little depressed that I have to wait a week to see it again.

            • chismosa says:

              um I cannot IMAGINE them topping last season so this has given me goosebumps. I can’t wait! thanks for that insider info

    • california35 says:

      i watch both, but LOVE Dexter. i am so lookon forward to it 🙂

      • cocfarm says:

        Oh yay! I did not like last seasons dexter….but the end was mind blowing! Can’t wait to see what deb does. Homeland is outrageously good. The writing is superb.

        • california35 says:

          i was surprised to like Homeland, but i did get into the story and i agree in how well it is written. is she really mot going to remember? 😦

          You didn’t like Dexter last season? i did, like how it involved different sides of religion/God believers. the end though, was GREAT!!

          • cocfarm says:

            I was surprised too. Homeland is not a show I thought I’d like. As for dexter, your point is interesting but it just did not work for me. This season looks like it will be great! Oh, and I think Carrie will remember…eventually.

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      I love Dexter, I can’t wait until it comes back.

    • chismosa says:

      I watch both but Dexter has not been great since about 2 seasons ago but regardless I keep watching (kind of like The Office). BUT Homeland is MY SHOW. I watch a good amount of tv and would give every single show up to just watch Homeland. The BEST. I can’t wait for Sunday either!

  85. klmh says:

    What does this mean, from Teresa’s blog:

    I guess I’m actually thankful this all happened now because when the real Marco skeletons come out, I’ll be far far away from her and she can’t try to blame me for those too.”

    Thank you in advance.

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      I am thinking she means that it’s only a matter of time before other people take a run at Melissa and since Teresa isn’t around her or part of her circle anymore…she can’t be blamed for it.

      • klmh says:

        Thanks RR. I went to the chat room and MTH told me Marco was Melissa’s maiden name. Duh on my part. 🙂

        • rabblerouser2010R says:

          LOL
          I didn’t know your question was so literal re; Marco so I gave the figurative answer. Either way, I am glad you got your answers.

  86. looneylucy says:

    Watching WWHL right now, there is so much testosterone in that little group, I imagine Candypants doesn’t know whether to chit or go blind!

  87. VV says:

    Jimmy Fallon on WWHL just named Teresa as the Bravo celeb he wants to do shotski with. 😀

  88. Aww – some of my favorites are on Dancing with the Stars – All Stars. Shawn Johnson is definitely the one I’ll be rooting for.

    • cocfarm says:

      Is anyone covering it for the Lynnfam? Someone use to. I was glad Pam went home. Shawn is a doll but she reminds me so much of topogilio ( sp?) from the Ed Sullivan show!

      • Stawwwp – I’m on the west coast LOL. No one is covering it so far. My goodness there are some great dancers on this show.

        • cocfarm says:

          Oh crap. I’m sorry. It says it’s a live show. I just thought it was on early out west. Sorry! But you probably had to know it would be Pam or palin given scores and popularity. I don’t know that I can commit to watching it every week…but if no one wants to do it, I could do a condensed update on it. I use to come to this blog to find out what happened so I could pretend I had watched it for my mom and aunts. I have to do a crib sheet for them every season! They LIVE for that show!

          • cocfarm says:

            If anyone is interested in dexter or homeland reviews, I would for sure love to do those! They are my addiction.

          • If you’d like to that would be fine. I think it would be really hard to do the entire show, but a condensed summary would be great. I haven’t watched for a while – but this all stars one will have me hooked. There are some very sparkly personalities – big smiles – they make me happy just to watch them.

            Let’s wait on the scripted shows – we’ve got so much content some nights already it can be a little overwhelming.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            I would read that!

  89. VV says:

    Just watched the preview of RHONJ reunion. Jac swearing on her autistic son is out. In is Teresa swearing on her dad……. Typical Bravo!

  90. Zoey says:

    This has a little salty language, but I found it pretty funny so I thought I’d share. 🙂

  91. mrs. peabody says:

    I finally watched the NJ episode and in my take is this. Clownface, wacky jacy, snake lady all knew something was going down. Not sure about the saint but she jumped on the band wagon as soon as it went down. The reason I think the clown knew what was going on was because she was willing to go to it to begin with when she hasn’t in the past, she was willing to sit at the same table as teresa when 2 episodes ago she was telling teresa how disgusting she was and she couldn’t stand looking at her and now she’ll actually sit at the same table. I think the reason for wacky’s breakdown is because she felt guilty for selling her ex-friend out like that, who does that to someone you used to be so close to. I think Melissa knew because she didn’t seem to really have a problem with that guy at first in the restroom until it dawned on her she was being set up in the teresa set up. I’m not to sure about Kathy but I think she disgusts me the most, she grew up with teresa, is her own flesh and blood and for her to be part of this witch hunt is disgusting, I really don’t know how she can sleep at night (esp given who she is sleeping with). I think the production crew planned this with Kim. I think Kim thought she was setting up Melissa to be outed as a dancer, the production crew were setting up Teresa and everyone found out about it but Teresa. I the clown and wacky were told by the production crew teresa was going to be made to look bad so that is why clownface was there, to watch it first hand. She told jacq who told melissa. Kim was doing her plotting to bring down melissa unbeknowst to clown and wacky. Kim told Kim G who decided to watch from the outside but given she is friends with jacq she told her and is the one who was texting her giving her a blow by blow of what was to happen to Melissa. That’s why she was telling melissa she was set up by teresa when in reality they thought teresa was going to be set up and were mad when it turned out melissa too was getting set up by kim. They were all fine with teresa getting set up but not happy when the set up included melissa. Teresa in the meantime figured out something was up when she was the only one who showed up at the salon to get her hair fixed and the others were not there. The producers wanted it on tape showing she met this guy so they could force her to tell melissa about him at the reunion. the reason she got so upset when he started talking about melissa dancing was because it was being taped and it dawned on her she would have no choice but to tell melissa about the meeting since she couldn’t just pretend like it didn’t happen. I think at this point she knew something was not right and that is why she was acting the way she was at the show, I think she knew she was going to have to tell melissa and was very nervous about having to do it. After all remember what happened when she tried to tell joey of what she had heard early, that didn’t go over to well. Then when he showed up to say “hi, remember me” she really knew something was going down. She went with Melissa to the restroom when melissa had to go and knew she had to tell her then but did not know how melissa would take it. I really think Jacq texted melissa and told her she was being set up and that is when melissa started freaking out. Now i’ll go read tre’s blog

    • mrs. peabody says:

      I probably shouldn’t type such long comments when I’m tired, my sentences aren’t well written, sorry but you get my idea of where i’m going with this. they were all in on it they just didn’t know all the different players and their goals

    • chismosa says:

      i like this whole theory, but i want to know:
      1- why would Caroline, who is so “”real”” and doesn’t have time for bull$hit, go along with this? Is she just a slave to the producers for the sake of her family (you know, my theory that she is just in this for her kids now?)
      2- why would Kim D. then be allowed to go to the reunion if she is in cahoots? Shouldn’t the producers want to keep her involvement on the down low?
      3- Why is Kim D so after Melissa? What on earth is behind this? It’s the same mystery to me as Aviva attacking Ramona. Why? What gives.
      4- who did you mean was texting jacqueline, i.e. the ‘source’? – i thought everyone here thought it was Cat Rodriguez- the ex-producer, friend with some of the cast, who tweets or whatever? You wrote above “Kim told Kim G.”— did you mean some other Kim .. that part i got lost in your theory.

      But good theory— i could see Teresa in the bathroom not knowing how to approach Melissa the right way because her brain works so slowly processing her thoughts and how to explain herself that she was flustered. She just couldn’t spit it out. i would have no patience with that. Just say it Teresa!
      The way production and/or Andy manipulated the viewers (and even the ladies on the show?) is just repulsive.

  92. Sus says:

    I can’t sleep so I was channel checking for something to fall asleep to.
    Came across a pay-per-view: “Octomom: Home Alone” The description says “The sexy single mom self-pleases”
    Just sharing so I’m not alone.

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