Real Housewives of New Jersey Reunion Part 1 / Amazing Race

Here’s the Cast Owning Their Behavior on Twitter

Collected by NoMoreDrama

Rosie – after screaming a boat load of obscenities backstage – “I know some of u may be disappointed in my behavior however, MY DAD was & will ALWAYS be my SUPERMAN! I WILL PROTECT HIS HONOR ALWAYS! Nite”

Kathy – after calling Teresa’s mom a f’ing liar “Not proud of saying that !! But don’t ATTACK MY MARRIAGE !! EVER !!”

Jacqueline – – – – – (not tweeting – good for her)

Lauren “Well- there ya have it- I had a lot to say I just wish they showed the nasty things she said to me”

Caroline “TRUE – I was a bit** that had enough of the nonsense = Caroline Manzo Season 4 – FYI – I didn’t like her, she’s gone now.”

Teresa – not tweeting

Melissa “I don’t know about you.. But we are sipping @VoliSpirits over here…”

(Melissa didn’t tweet anything of substance – it was all about her hair, makeup, music, etc.  I think she’s the spokesperson for VoliSpirits.

And the host …

Question from a fan: “I wonder what it feels like to be @BravoAndy during this #rhonjreunion?”

Andy’s response:  “tense”

A joke from Albie “Is it safe? Heard @RosiePierri screaming and hid under my résumé. Granted it wasn’t the best spot but I just kinda froze.”

And from Jaime Laurita –

“I hope the finale ends on a good note somehow. Lets hope they find peace somewhere during all this. good night.”

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Real Housewives of New Jersey Reunion – Part 1 of 4,487,098 – By Stars99

Ugh…will this season EVER come to an end? We’ve all been sentenced to a 3-part Reunion, ugh… This season has been forever seared into our collective brains as the season that would not end! I really do think we need to initiate a class action lawsuit against Bravo since:  1) RHONJ has continually failed to meet even the lowest of customer expectations; 2) Bravo has demonstrated willful gross negligence in the creation and perpetuation of RHONJ; 3) their product is defective and misrepresents itself as an unscripted reality show; 4) Bravo willfully, knowingly and consistently lies, manipulates, and manufactures drama by creative editing, by reordering the sequence of events, and by splicing unrelated statements together to weave a web of deceit; 5) all of the housewives are directly complicit in each of the aforementioned; and, 6) we, as consumers, were not adequately protected against the biohazard fallout from watching this season. Alrighty then… on to the Reunion!

Compulsory Niceties

Andy begins by summoning his ominous and foreboding voice saying, “After a season of heartache and betrayal, the NJ housewives face each other for the first time in a year. (huh?  Yes, folks – they filmed last year’s reunion – you know, the one Jacqueline didn’t show up for – the day AFTER this season’s Posche Fashion Show… are you confused yet?  It only goes downhill from here….).  Compulsory niceties are exchanged between each housewife and Andy…

  • Jacqueline (Jac) – “So glad you decided to join us this year.”
  • Teresa (Tre) – “Three cookbooks, 3 New York Times bestsellers… Congratulations.”
  • Melissa (Mel) – “Songs all over iTunes charts… Congratulations.”
  • Caroline (Caro) – “Love the longer hair, book to come from you… Congratulations.”

Kathy – “You look great… new nose?  It looks great… and am I noticing something new with the lips as well?”  Kathy responded, “After I got my nose done, my lips seemed smaller so I just plumped them up a little.” Andy proceeds to give her a yellow light on having any more work done. As if she cares. Gotta say I’m disappointed that they didn’t talk about shoes.

Rehash of why Jac didn’t show up to last year’s Reunion and More Jac

Andy pointed out to Tre that she had not seen Jac since the night of last year’s Posche Fashion Show.  Tre says, “I don’t miss her, I’ve moved on, I’m in a really good place right now, and I’m happy.” Queue tape of this season’s Posche blowout.  Andy turns to Jac and asks her why she didn’t show up for last year’s reunion taping.  Jac said, “I was so disgusted with the whole thing.”  It seems that it culminated when Tre tried to blame Jac for everything… Caro and Jac are annoyingly talking over each other.  Caro insists that everyone was terrified for Jac’s wellbeing at that point of time.  Andy asks Tre what she meant when on last year’s reunion, she said that Jac should have finished what she had started?

Tre says, “I haven’t spoken to my brother since the fashion show because Jac said I was involved in the set up.”  Jac interrupts by saying, “You were.” Tre responds with “Prove it, Bitch”… Jac, “You were…and you know how I know, because you asked me to do it…that’s how I know – You wanted me to do that at the beginning of the season.”  Tre, “Excuse me?”  Jac further states, “And, I DO have a recording that is apparently illegal to share…”  Tre responds with a snarky, “Correct.”  Jac, “That it’s your friend admitting that you knew.”  Tre, “No I didn’t…”  Additional snark commenced about how Jac had ruined their family… Mel stepped up and said that to blame Jac for ruining their family was ridiculous.  Some more nonsense ensued about the only time that Tre has seen Mel was at Gia and Milannia’s birthday party… Caro and Jac are annoyingly talking amongst themselves making nasty comments… about giving Tre enough rope to hang herself… Then Jac makes up for not being on last season’s reunion by hogging the air time through her nonstop talking… She tattles that Tre said bad things about her brother and Mel before filming ever began.  Mel and Tre are fighting amongst themselves about whether Tre just loves her brother… her brother and his kids… or if, indeed Mel was included the mix of love… Andy wants to move forward… lolol… so do we!

They then about Jac and daughter Ashley’s struggles this season… and how Jac was trying to get Ashley back on track.  That would imply, actually, that she was once on track, no?  She seems to be doing well at this point and has a paying job in California. Yay!  Andy questions Jac about the $8,000,000 for an apparel company’s bankruptcy.  Jac explains, that her husband’s company was forced into a bankruptcy.  The creditors, in an attempt to get back some of the money, launched allegations that they had used private planes for personal use, but Jac insists that it never happened. Andy wanted clarification on the difference between Jac’s husband’s corporate bankruptcy vs. Tre’s personal bankruptcy. Jac insists it’s completely different, because Tre and her husband went out and spent a whole bunch of money and built a whole mound of debt and then filed.  Jac assures us that when their bankruptcy is settled, that she will give us all the info… ‘cuz she will be tweeting all the details. O joy… O rapture.

Andy directly asks Jac, “Do you have a tweeting problem?” Jac responds that she is impulsive.  Andy further probes, “Do you think before you tweet?” Jac instantly responds, “No.” Andy says in his most nurturing voice that she sometimes comes off on twitter as a little – then he does the universally known hand gesture for wackadoo.  Then some conversation occurs about how Jac may tweet about Tre… but she insists it’s better than doing what Tre does, which is to talk about Jac behind her back.  Tre says it’s all lies.

Meanwhile, since Mel hasn’t yet gotten enough airtime during the reunion, she starts an argument with Tre. She says that if Tre isn’t lying, then it would mean that every other person is lying.  Tre says that she is not afraid to own up to the things she says.  Mel dramatically holds up her hand and says, “Whatever, be quiet, go home, whatever.”  Then they get into some nonsense about how Mel wants everything to be perfect for the cameras and that she is constantly chirping in her husband’s ear about the latest thing that Tre has done.  Mel insists she doesn’t have to chirp in his ear since he sees it all with his own eyes because he wants to be a real housewife, too.  Well, she doesn’t actually say that last part – but I think it was implied but not stated.

Meanwhile, Jac, in a weak attempt to be cute and to recapture that funny scene where she was pretending to be asleep throughout another recent conflict, grabs a pillow and actually partially lies down.  Awww, Caro thinks that’s awfully cute.  So does Andy.  I don’t.  Where’s her pacifier and binky?  Alas, Mel and Tre are STILL arguing about how Mel tweets a picture every time she’s at her parent’s house.  Mel said that it only happened once.  Mel further insists, “You’re a liar, and that’s why your family is a mess, because Miss Matriarch (meaning Tre… I wonder if that title comes with a tiara and a sash?) wrecks the family… Do you see how you just brought your parents into it?”  Tre insists she loves this… Bring it on!

Andy wants to get back to Jac and her son Nicholas who has been diagnosed with autism… Cut to truly heartbreaking video segments over the last 3 years with Nick and others.  In one poignant scene, you hear Jac saying “I love you” and Nick saying an audible, “I love you” and then Jac and Caro both completely break down because he doesn’t say that anymore.  Caro comforts the sobbing Jac repeatedly with the words, “He’s gonna say it again… he’s gonna say it again…he will, someday.” Andy is confused at why he doesn’t say it anymore – and Caro clarifies, “He’s regressed, he doesn’t speak.”  Jac says he says words but not sentences at this point.  Andy asks if that kind of regression is common, and Jac confirms that it is.

Tre is blown away that he can’t say it any more ‘cuz she remembers him being able to say it.  Then unfortunately, she brings up that Nick was her daughter Adrianna’s boyfriend, but now they’ve broken up.  This absolutely flips Caro’s fig, and she goes in complete attack mode and calls Tre’s dress a “Christmas Pageant dress” and that she should sit back and shut the f** up.  Caro seems to feel that Tre is making this conversation loop back around to the All About Tre Show.

Carol threatens to go berserk.  Ummm…. Isn’t it a little too late?  oooOOoo then Tre calls Carol an “Old hag” Oh, no she di’int….  Jac was questioned about why she broke the news about Nick’s autism via the People Magazine article and why she didn’t want to talk on camera about what was going on as the season progressed.  Jaq just said that they wanted to get a diagnosis, and a treatment plan, and have time to figure things out.  She confirmed that she did not get paid for the article.

Make New Friends, but Keep the Old, One is Silver, the Other – Gold

Now it’s on to the heartbreaking fracture of a long term relationship – Jac and Tre… We see scenes leading up to their friendship divorce.  After seeing the footage, Tre’s heart was evidently beating fast again.  She asks Andy to feel her heart to verify it – Why does everyone hafta feel Tre’s heart?  Remember that night when they were camping, and Jac and Tre made up and had that touching kumbaya moment and they ushered in world peace?  Well, later that night, when the rv windows were open, Jac says she overheard Tre saying how much she hated Jac, and that she couldn’t even stand to look “at her f*ing face”… Tre further said how everyone is just jealous of her because she’s on the cover of magazines.  Tre says it’s their problem, and blah, blah, blah. Mel confirmed that Tre was talking to her that night.  Tre never denied saying those things.  Nice.

Andy wondered what caused this breakup?  Jac said that when Mel and Kathy were first coming on the show that Jac felt bad for Tre because she knew she didn’t want them on the show.  Tre clarified, “Because I didn’t want this to happen” – as she gestured around the reunion set.  Jac said, “And you didn’t like them – you didn’t like them. And you wanted me to call them out on everything….”  Tre said, “Well, you would say things to me behind the cameras, but when the cameras were on you wouldn’t say it.”  Jac blurted, “You were telling ME what to say, making me feel uncomfortable, and I had other s** going on in my life, but you couldn’t give a f*** – All you cared about was exposing them, that’s it – the entire season.”  Tre said, “About what?”  Jac responded, “You wanted me to call her out about being a stripper, and that Kathy didn’t get a designer bag until she was 40, like that meant something”… Kathy chimes in, “And that I lived in a sh**** house.”  Tre says, “I never said she was a stripper.”  Jac gasped, “What?”  Then, Jac dramatically says, “I swear on my child, who is autistic that you wanted me to call her out.” (Okay, wait a freakin’ minute… who swears on their child?  I mean, who does this? And who throws a disability into the mix?)  Caro says, “She told all of us that she was a stripper.”  Mel reiterates as if we haven’t heard it before, “Which I wasn’t.”  Jac says, “You’re a liar, you are sick, you are going to hell, you are going to HELL.”  Tre reacts, “You’re the devil, ‘cuz you’re wearing red.” Jac retorts, “And you’re green with envy.” Oh, snap!

The subject shifts to Caro at the doctor who said her symptoms suggest she might be going through menopause.  They repeat the talking head interview with Tre when she says, “Caro’s going through menopause?  THAT explains why she’s been such a bitch lately.”  Andy then goes through some choice names viewers have had for Caro, including, Bully, sh** stirrer, and my personal favorite – “bitter ginger with a twist of lemon face.” lolol.  Caro admits she did not like herself this season.  She actually almost had a doctor diagnose her as a bitch – since her hormone levels are exactly where they should be BEFORE going through menopause. Yikes. Lauren comes out and she’s lost 35 pounds since her lap band surgery.  She had previously lost weight the old fashioned way, but she would lose 50 lbs. and then gain 60 lbs. back.

Caro was called out for saying that she couldn’t relate to Lauren’s weight struggle – but it was obvious that she was much heavier in Season 1 and then lost weight – Caro said she meant she couldn’t relate to Lauren’s weight issues as a young girl because Caro’s weight issues didn’t start until she was much older.  Caro actually likened herself to Mel.  Snicker, snicker.  She said Lauren had to learn that she is wonderful. Andy said, “But on the flip side, you were also harsh and direct – do you think that contributed to her low self-esteem?”  Caro, “First of all, I did not say it to her face.” Andy surprisingly stood up to her and said, “Well isn’t that worse, saying it behind her back?”  Caro said that Lauren had been behaving like an a**hole – and that she’d say it again.

A viewer questions Tre about her opinion on if Caro is a good mom and how does she think her kids have turned out?  Tre thinks they’re great, but that until Black Water that they didn’t have jobs.  Rut roh.  Then Lauren and Caro start really reacting… Lauren starts listing off the jobs that she and her brothers have had but Caro stops Lauren from answering the question and instead calls Tre a fool.  Tre says that she’s been working since she was 14 years old.  Caro demands Tre to look at her face cuz she’s gonna educate her, then calls her “pageant girl.”  Tre responds with a robust, “look at you – you have three layers – blubber, blubber and blubber.”  Caro responds, “And you know what? I wear them proud.”  Tre says, “With a tummy tuck! You couldn’t walk for 4 months because you were hunched over.”  Andy jumps on this, “So, you’ve had a tummy tuck?”  Meanwhile, Mel and Kathy are snarking back and forth, “that’s so wrong.”  Caro confirms she had one when she was 39.  Then Caro says, “I have no botox, I have no fillers…. I’ve never had a face lift…”  Tre inserts, “Well, you should get some”…Oh, snap!

Mel tries to tell Tre not to go by people’s looks… Tre reminds Mel that she’s not asking for her opinion. Tre said, “She started with my dress, thank you very much.”  Lauren chimes in, “Do you realize, that what you’re saying to her right now, is why people out there kill themselves?  Tre says, “So that’s why you got a lap band… Why didn’t you work hard?”  Lauren yells, “Because of di**heads like you, that’s why.” Then they exchange some additional profanities… and Lauren promises next year she will look even better… and Tre cautioned that sometimes the weight comes back on and Lauren says that it’s her problem and not Tre’s.  Lauren digresses to talking about Tre’s Gia and what conversations she may or may not be listening to until Carol tells her to stop with the kids.  Then they somehow jump to the question “What does Napalm mean?”… and Tre looks blank… and I guess it was a word Tre used in her blog.  They’re trying to prove she has a professional writer compose it and that it’s somehow unfair that they all didn’t have that same brilliant idea.  Someone who writes manifestos could really use an editor, but no names mentioned.  When Andy directly asks Tre if she wrote her own blog, Tre immediately says, “Yes.” Color me confused and doubtful.

The 30 second fake out between commercials confirms that Jac has had filler in her cheekbones and work on her lips – but she insists that it’s nothing permanent. Wow… Jac has a really creepy plastic smile… well, I guess we all do… fortunately, ours isn’t on national TV.

Andy asks Tre about the story in “In Touch”… in which she apologizes.  He asks if she meant it.  Tre says she did.  Then somehow the conversation digresses into the fact that Tre has called them all a cu** at one time or another… and then somehow Tre talks about Mel’s glitter eye shadow and how Tre had worn that same glitter eye shadow on last year’s reunion show which further supposedly demonstrates that Mel wants to be Tre.  Really?  Are you kidding me?  After some more gratuitous snarking, Caro suggests that Tre encourages Gia to provide articles to magazines – since there’s a new article about her in the younger version of In Touch or In Style magazine.  Tre then jumps to the conclusion that they all want to be her because they know everything that’s going on about her and her family’s lives.  She says she doesn’t know a single thing that’s going on in any of their lives, because as she emphatically says, “because I don’t give a fu**.”  Silence fills the land.  Why oh why didn’t she say that earlier?

Kathy Finds a Voice

Signal subject change to Kathy.  Don’t they usually save the best for last?  Sigh.  We see Kathy’s meager storyline involving her daughter visiting a college campus and Kathy’s foray into the dessert business.  We see that uncomfortable meeting involving her darling husband, who is no friend to her business ventures, and how he really tried to screw up her meeting with the bigwigs. Then they start talking about Richie, who, arguably has said not nice things about Tre in front of her and behind her back.  Kathy indicates that he doesn’t reserve all of his jokes and insults just for Tre, but everyone is fair game.  Tre insists that “all these people here – are insignificant to me.”  To Tre, no one at the reunion is important enough to give a sh** about and that it all goes in one ear and out the other.  However, she does have, in fact, have a handy dandy outline all of the jabs Richie has made at her on national tv.  Then Kathy and Tre trade nauseous faces at the prospect of the other’s husband….

Tre decides it would be fun to pit Richie against Juicy Joe to see who could pick up more girls.  Sadly, this isn’t a contest of physical strength but of animal magnetism. Shiver. Then Tre talks about Ritchie’s yellow teeth… Wow.  Caro called Tre on the carpet for that comment… and Tre said that it was okay for Ritchie to say anything and everything about Tre because Caro loves Kathy right now and that Kathy is her puppet.  Kathy says, “I am no puppet, what’s right is right.”  Caro says to Tre, “I also defended your husband when no one else did.”  (Brace yourselves…no, really…) Tre says, “Well, that’s because you know Joe, and he’s a great guy.” (Gag) Kathy says in the absolutely most sarcastic voice possible, “Yeah, really great!”

Then the question was asked about when does Kathy’s dessert line come out?  Kathy tells us that it’s very soon… that it will start with a Cannoli Kit – so ladies can be their own goddess of sweets in their own kitchen.  Andy asks about Victoria and college.  Kathy confirmed that she’s staying local and that Kathy couldn’t be happier.  A viewer asked if Kathy meant to insult Tre at the cookbook signing.  Kathy said, “No, I went to the signing to be supportive of her.”  Tre looks over at Kathy and says, “You’re so disgusting, you’re a piece of sh**.”  Whoaaa…   Kathy, maintaining full sarcastic mode, makes kissy face gestures at Tre.  Then Tre insists Kathy not point at her… Kathy starts yelling, “Why don’t I grab your face like you grabbed mine.”  Tre dares her to grab it because, “Then I’ll sue your ass.” (OooOOOoo that’s how she’ll make some extra income.)  Kathy says, “Oh, should I sue you – well I won’t get anything out of you ‘cuz you ain’t got sh**.”

Kathy says that she always tried to help Tre when she would call and bitc* about everyone including her in-laws…. Tre says, “Just like you had problems with your in-laws and you almost got divorced.”  Kathy says she never almost got divorced.  Tre says that even Tre’s mother knows and Kathy responds, “Well, you’re mother is a fu***ing liar, too.”  Then Tre moves over to sit next to Caro for protection…and the earth stood still and hell froze over.   Jac sarcastically asks Tre if she wants to snuggle.  In the background you hear Kathy saying how Tre’s mom was going around telling everybody that Kathy had the lap band surgery.  Tre is in shock, but is still sitting next to Caro….and she keeps saying, “Wow…” then she decides she wants Kathy to say that to Tre’s dad… Kathy says that she went to go speak to Tre’s mom and dad, but that her dad walked out… “Because he’s a coward.”  Holy crap on a cracker! Did she just say that?

Whoa… then Tre… ohholynightthestarsarebrigthlyshining, says while referring to Kathy, “This is a person who my dad loved… and they worshipped my dad… my dad was there more for them than their own dad.”  Kathy goes bat crap crazy, “You’re a liar!  Don’t you dare bring up my father… “ Meanwhile, Mel is desperately trying to get Andy’s attention and says, “Rosie is going to kill her… Rosie.will.kill.her. (it was even close captioned for emphasis.)  Gulp.

Then you hear it… from off stage… Rosie emphatically saying, “My father’s dead.  Tell her to fu**ing stop. I swear to God.”  And you see Rosie walking around and you hear a walkie talkie voice saying “she’s walking, she’s walking”…  and Rosie implores them to “Let me get the f*** out of here.  Let me go. No, no, no, I’m serious.”  Rosie tells someone offstage to make Tre stop talking because her father is deceased. Onstage, Kathy is still ranting about Tre talking about her dead father…. Then Rosie starts screaming, “I will rip her fu**ing head off.  I mean it! I mean it! My father’s untouchable.”  Tre, “Who’s yelling?”  Kathy says, “You know who’s yelling.”  More Rosie yells, “I swear to Christ!  She better watch her f**ing tongue! Cuz I’ll cut it right the fu** out. I swear to God.  I don’t care if I get locked up.  I’ll f**ing kill her!”

I’ve got to go take a shower and invest in a biohazard suit for next week.  See you for Part 2!

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Amazing Race – Leg 1 – Sept 30, 2012 by MelTheHound

Here we go race fans. Season 21 of The Amazing Race. I introduced you to the teams a few weeks ago but a quick refresher…

  • Abbie & Ryan – Dating Divorcees
  • Trey and Alexis -Dating couple
  • Rob and Kelley -Married Monster Truckers
  • Amy and Daniel -On and Off Daters (AntiAviva) <I’ll explain this in a bit.
  • Jaymes and James – Chippendales
  • Caitlin and Brittany – Best Friends (Blondes)
  • Gary and Will – Substitute Teachers
  • Rob and Sheila -Engaged couple
  • Josh and Brent – Goat Farmers (Beekmans)
  • James and Mark – Friends (Rockers)
  • Natlalie and Nadiya – Twins

They meet up with near Pasadena California brought in on a good ole hippie painted bus, and the starting point will be the Colorado Street Bridge. The bus pulls up and each of the teams are introduced. Phil drops the $2M bomb on them. Only the team that wins this first leg is eligible for that prize. If anyone else wins the overall race, they win only $1M. Still mot is not a bad payday for the trip of a lifetime. To get their first clue, they must rappel off of the bridge, collect their backpack and grab their Ford Escape. So essentially it’s who can get over the edge and slide down the rope the fastest. First fear coming into play here, who is afraid of heights. Of course, it was also a race to get to the ropes and some are faster than others. The first one they show having a problem is Gary and Will, substitute teachers from Ann Arbor Michigan. Gary, grow a pair. You knew something like this would be part of the race.

As the teams get their first destination clue, they learn they are going to Shanghai China. There are two flights, one leaving late morning, the second leaving just after noon. Only about an hour and a half apart but with especially with an extra million at stake, every minute counts. The number of seats available on the earlier flight is for 7 teams. The other 4 must take the later flight. At LAX, Chippendales, Blondes, Rockers, AntiAviva, Divorcees, Twins, and Monster truckers get to the airport first. I Guess Beekmans got there at about the same time but Monster truckers were allowed to get in front of them, by Josh…. Gee, what a nice guy. That leaves Beekmans, Engaged, SubTeachers, and Dating (Trey and Alexis (Lexi)).

Once they land, they have to grab a cab and get to Yuanshen Sports Center Stadium. There they find their first road block. It’s Ping Pong “Who is ready to get paddled”. The object is to score one point against China’s Jr. Champion, a 10 year old girl. The real twist here is the more they screw up, the longer it will take. That is because each time the kid scores against a racer, she goes to the next table and each must wait for her to come back in rotation. To make it more humiliating to the racers, the kid switches her paddle for household items: a clipboard, a frying pan, a tambourine, and a couple other things. I’ll just touch on a couple of the highlights here. From the first flight, Monster truckers are the last to arrive and they run all over the stadium grounds looking for the clue while the others are inside playing the game. For the Twins, Natalie decides to play. Her sister has to be one of the most annoying people I’ve ever heard. Every 4 seconds “NATALIE!, NATALIE!”.  I hate these two already. The first to finish are Divorcees. The clue tells them to go to Cui Ping Jiu Jia (no idea yet what that is). The way it turns out, Rockers get there first.

It’s another roadblock and this, is the sickest sounding thing I’ve ever heard of. The clue is, Do You Want To Go Tubing… Wait for it, wait for it… Apparently, in Shanghai it’s a dessert treat to eat the fallopian tubes of frogs out of a papaya… (Go ahead, Gag, I did just looking at it). Of course whoever did the ping pong, the other had to dine. The catch is they couldn’t pick this stuff up with their hands (and just dump it in) they had to either use chop sticks or go face first into this stuff and just lap it up. Next stop is The Bund to search for the woman using an Abacus (we’ll figure that one out in a minute). Rockers are first to leave after their delicacy dining experience. Remember the second crew hasn’t even gone to the ping pong yet. While eating of course, any spillage has to be cleaned up too so they have to suck it up off of the table, tray, wherever. It’s worth noting here that Rob the Monster Trucker decided to pick up the papaya and dump it in. Big mistake since most of it came back out. He finished them but apparently hadn’t read the instructions. He finishes, does his victory yell, and they bring out two more papayas of this stuff. He protests and I think he could have taken a penalty but he eats the stuff, again.

Once they all finish dining, the race is on to find the woman using the Abacus at The Bund. The first to do that is AntiAviva. For some strange reason, they tell Divorcee where she is. It becomes a foot race to the pit stop which is the Shanghai Signal Tower. Were it me, I would have sent them in the opposite direction. In fact, substitute teachers later did just that. Half the teams didn’t know what an abacus was and in fact, couldn’t even pronounce it. At one point, Chippendale decided to follow another team to the pit stop only to discover they had gone to the wrong place because they had not found the woman with the abacus yet. At one point, Engaged Lumberjack and Cosmetic exec had found her BUT, she wasn’t using the abacus and in fact, didn’t even have it out. She wasn’t doing anything else. I don’t know why she wasn’t doing her job…

Okay… 3rd through 10th place, matters not. All that matters is 1st, 2nd, and 11th in this particular leg. As I said earlier, AntiAviva was in first place at this point but they were quickly overtaken by Divorcee. This is why I would have sent them the other way. So, in that order, they arrived at the pit stop. Chippendales beat out Engaged for 10th place. Had the woman been using the abacus when they originally came across her, Chippendales would have been eliminated instead of engaged. So, the only team with a shot at the Two Million, is Divorcee. These people remind me of Combat, the winners from last season. I didn’t like them either. These people are going to have a huge target on their back from people hoping to get rid of them just so they can’t win the $2M.

Okay… AntiAviva. I’m bringing this back from my original preview (minus my snark).

Amy and Daniel -On and Off Daters Amy Purdy and Daniel Gale – Amy is a 32-year-old motivational speaker and snowboarder, who is a double amputee from Las Vegas, NV. Daniel is a 36-year-old executive director from Crested Butte, CO. Ummm Aviva, Take Note. This one has TWO prosthetic legs and she lost her legs (below the knees) to bacterial meningitis at the age of 19. She was given 2% chance of living when it happened. I’m betting there isn’t too much that scares this woman at this point. I kind of like her. Let’s see how they do.

See you next week kids. 1 down, 9 more to go but, I swear I heard Phil say 12 (twelve) legs of the race so there will be a couple times, no one goes home. Get ready for the twists, turns, and wipeouts. I’m sure there’ll be plenty.

MTH.

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787 Responses to Real Housewives of New Jersey Reunion Part 1 / Amazing Race

  1. Lulu says:

    Good Morning!!!! I couldn’t stomach no literally (recovering from a stomach bug) watching those women shouting at each other! Never understood the format of majority against 1! In all sincerity what kind of resolve were they expecting by badgering Tre? Andy needs to seriously reconsider the “reunion” format it’s just not working.

    • Shouting and cussing aside, it was interesting to see what lay at the roots of their conflict.
      1) Jaq didn’t think T was there for her when she needed her re: Nick’s diagnosis
      2) T loves Mel but doesn’t like her at all
      3) There are deep seated problems between T’s family and Kathy’s family
      Clearly Caro and Tre are done with each other and not overly emotional about it. Caro only gets emotional when she’s protecting her family.

      • Cartwheels says:

        That is why I can’t understand or condone that Kathy and Melissa fought so hard to make it into the same show, why?
        If you don’t like somebody, if you hate her, why oh why do you want to be on the same show with her?
        Melissa is the worst because she plotted with Danielle and send that ominous video to Bravo promising to take Teresa down but Kathy is not too far, she knew why they were coming to the show, to expose the family dirty laundry.
        No wonder Kathy and Melissa get along so well, they are both passive aggressive, manipulative, two faces, pot stir (*&^
        Rosie? I still wonder why she wasn’t scorted out of the building after that awful outburst

        • Rebecca says:

          They kindly reminded us of Melissa’s innocent little lie at the season 3 reunion yesterday as well. “She facebooked me and we exchanged an email.”

        • Emily says:

          Well, money! The economy tanked, they were all used to a certain standard of living, the housing bubble burst and they were ALL desperate. Not to mention, they all have underlying narcissitic tendencies. .

      • Rebecca says:

        Jac told Teresa to stay out of her life. Tre reached out to her to wish her well. The ball was in Jacqueline’s court. She took to twitter ranting instead.

        • I’m talking about what got them to that point. I think Jaq is very needy, and when she found out about Nick she probably wanted to talk about it non-stop. She said on the reunion that T wasn’t there (a good enough friend) when she really needed her. It happens all the time when people’s lives change drastically. Some friends become closer – others drift apart or even become resentful of each other. It’s not a slam against T or J – just an observation. I think J is extremely needy and T had her own stuff to deal with and didn’t have time or energy to give J what she needed.

          • Cartwheels says:

            It kinda reminds me of Bethenny and Jill. Bethenny had to go and go on book tours and do presentations, all while Jill felt left out. Jill planned to use Bobby’s cancer scare to discredit Bethenny after having told her that it was not a big deal at all.
            I think the same happened here even though the circumstances are different. Jacqueline needed Teresa but has previously said that she didn’t want to talk about Nicholas condition, Teresa, as the literal person she is, complied with her wishes. Also add to the mix that Teresa has been everywhere promoting her book and her products, was on Celebrity Apprentice for many, many weeks and that added to the fact that Teresa had to work her behind off because of her legal and financial issues, made for the perfect storm.

            Jacqueline is compulsive on twitter and I tend to believe that she is also compulsive on her real life, she talks about one thing, over and over and over but in this case I believe that Jacqueline didn’t want to talk to Teresa about this particular issue because Teresa has a beautiful daughter the same age as Nicholas who doesn’t have the same struggles.
            I feel for Jac and what she is going through, it had to be so difficult for her to wait for this diagnosis and confirmation while Audriana was developing just fine.
            I think Jac , though she will never admitted to even herself, has a lot of displaced anger against Teresa who is seemingly a moron in their eyes, completely inarticulate, yet the business had been good for her and her kids, though not the best behaved, are just perfect.

            Jac needs profesional counseling to learn to deal with his, not random advice from people on tweeter, real advice from a proffesional who can teach her proper coping techniques.

            • Amber...Real Wife says:

              It seems that Jac tried to change the relationship with Tre to actually be one of give and take. Tre was used to just dumping on Jac, using her for a sympathetic ear, sounding board etc. When Jac wanted to talk about her problems, Tre due to her narcissism and full plate of personal and business problems, just couldn’t be that friend that listens. It’s not in her DNA.

              • ladyballs says:

                i agree.

              • PJ says:

                I don’t think Jac knows what a give and take relationship is. I thing Jac may be the most selfish of all these women.

                • Mary E says:

                  ITA

                • MamaZ says:

                  That’s not what we saw in S1. Teresa was concerned about Jaq’s relationship with Danielle. At one point she was even concerned about Danielle herself. I think Jaq is a very needy friend. When you have a family of your own and work there is only so much you have to give. Also Teresa has said that she’s the type of person who doesn’t like to discuss her own problems so when Jaq said she didn’t want to talk about it until they had a diagnosis Teresa stopped asking.

              • jules says:

                I agree Amber. I’ve only watched one entire episode of NJ; the one at the hot tub when Jac pretended to be asleep with Caroline and Tre fought it out. I watched the reunion last night when it was replayed. Based on what I heard last night, I thought Jac was trying to deepen or broaden her friendship with Tre but wasn’t getting the response she wanted. Meaning the give and take Amber mentions above. So Jac got frustrated and reacted unreasonably instead of just accepting that Tre can’t be that kind of friend to her. One of the things we have to do as grown-ups is accept people for what they can give us, not what we need from them. I think Jac struggled with that.

                • Mary E says:

                  Real (adult) women do not pretend to be asleep when confrontation begins if it is with a friend they (say they) love. Not normal.

                • kit9 says:

                  Well, we know now that the scene of them hugging in the RV was complete bunk on T’s part. She acted the whole thing. Just a few minutes later was ripping Jac to shreds. T is vile.

              • Powell says:

                Ok ladies you all are making sense. Now I’m understanding Jac’s anger, although misplaced. Cartwheels is right. Only therapy is gonna help Jac but who’s gonna get her there, Chris? He’s in denial about what’s going on w/Jac.

                Now the other crazies. I still don’t get their beef. Their hatred is not warranted on any level. Kathy had the same line T had w/Danielle on S2 reunion. Basically saying don’t talk about my family. Kath saying don’t talk about my father, my marriage. I agree none of them should have brought up their parents.

            • amalfi says:

              Bingo … Jac is Jill.

              They should both fall down a hill…

          • RealHousewifeVA says:

            I think that was the biggest reason Jac was upset. At the beginning of the season when she was talking to her dad about Teresa’s lack of concern about Ashlee, I think she really meant Nicholas, but wasn’t talking about it on camera. At the time I wondered why she would want Teresa to keep asking about her grown daughter, but now it makes sense. I can see Teresa not being a good enough friend for Jac in that respect. Jac seems like the type of person who needs to share their emotions constantly and Teresa is totally opposite. Teresa is very self-involved and was spending a lot of time on her book tours during that time. I think in the end THAT is why Jac was so upset with Teresa and I think that maybe up until they filmed this reunion that Jac really still wanted a friendship with Teresa (hence the crazy texts to her).

            Teresa’s idea of friendship is keeping it light, fun, not too deeply involved and Jac’s is opposite.

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              Yep.

              Also, Jac does not strike me as the type of person that just “all of a sudden” became “needy” and “impulsive.” This seems to me to be he true/basic/core personality. Teresa and Jac were friends for TEN (or a little over that time) whole years. I do not honestly think that Jac did not do her fair share of crying on Teresa’s shoulder and being needy throughout those 10 years. Teresa, because she was a stay-at-home Mom who, because the real estate business had not yet tanked, probably had much more time to devote to Jac and to Jac’s neediness and impulsiveness.

              Once Teresa and Joe hit hard times, Teresa got off her a*s and did something about it — which caused her to have less time for Jac. At the end of Season 3, Teresa even interviewed that she felt bad that she had not been able to have more time to devote to being there for Jac when it came to her problems with Ashley. That does not sound like a narcissist who feels like she NEVER does anything wrong or could not have done things better as a friend to me.

              I’m sure, over the years, Jac shared VERY personal things about herself with Teresa. I think she bitched and vented about Dina (and Dina probably bitched and vented to Teresa about Jac). Teresa remained a friend to BOTH and did not reveal to the other what the other said. Teresa knew about Nic’s problems and diagnosis long before Jac did the “People” cover.

              Unlike Jac, Teresa did not take to Twitter to reveal THAT confidence or other confidences Jac revealed to her. Jac, for months and months, has been publically revealing things Teresa told her in confidence while they were FRIENDS. If she has been doing this via public forums, can you imagine how long she has been doing it with Teresa’s own family, thereby making the situation WORSE (and not helping AT ALL)?!

              I think the shortly before the Reunion (by revealing Jac’s texts to her to prove Jac’s harassment) and at the ACTUAL Reunion is when Teresa FINALLY started fighting fire with fire and revealing Jac and the OTHERS’ confidences too (when she’d kept her mouth shut for SOOOOO long as she watched these people constantly attacking her behind her back on the show and then in the press and interviews after the Season 3 Reunion).

              It does not make it right for ANY of them to do it. But after SO LONG, when it comes to Teresa finally opening her mouth about some of her family and former friends’ skeletons and secrets…..I GET it!!!

    • LaineyLainey says:

      Good morning, Lulu. Hope you are getting better. I agree with you. I couldn’t watch it either,..I read the comments instead and went for a walk. Andy, please fix this!!! They need ground rules and time limits (someone else mentioned this last night) and someone (a nun?) to rap them on the knuckles every time they interrupt another person.

    • mkvalle says:

      I got home late last night and missed the first showing of the reunion so I thought I’d check out the “let’s chat” blog and get caught up. I didn’t get very far on the blog at all. So many nasty, vile comments from the lovely people here. You sound just like the women on the show you (we) all love to bash, Calling them drunks, bloated, fat, disgusting, escorts etc etc etc. As far as mud slinging goes, the blog was much worse that the actual reunion show.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        glass houses, mkvalle!!!!! Are all of your posts flowers and angels, all of the time? If so, then I accept your reprimand/criticism/scolding on behalf of my fellow commenters. If not, then…I reject it on behalf of same.

        • mkvalle says:

          Nope, all my posts aren’t flowers and fairies. We all like to bash them but we don’t all do it in the same fashion. I think that some people are over the top in their comments about the women on the show who we don’t really know, that those comments were as vile as those said at the reunion. It’s just my observation.

          • amalfi says:

            It seems there are a lot of places you can spend on the internet other than places where you have to constantly judge others…. just a thought.but you spend your time how you like…

          • LaineyLainey says:

            ok, fair enough, MKValle. I like flowers and fairies, too. What did I say? Flowers and Angels…I like the alliteration in yours, better. 😉

  2. ladyballs says:

    watching the show now.

  3. Rebecca says:

    So Jacqueline and Kim G take to Twitter a couple months back and say after the PFS they go to Kim G’s condo in that building to drink and rant all night. Both of them said that.

    Then last night, Caroline goes on and on about how she took Jacqueline home that night and she and Chris were trying to talk to her and calm her down.

    Why can’t these women ever tell the truth about these tiny little details? They never get their stories straight. Knowing we get zero amount of truth out of these reunions make them such wastes of airtime.

    • PJ says:

      But they accuse Teresa of not telling the truth. They don’t know what the truth is.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      And Jac did not like look like she was anywhere NEAR having ANYBODY’s “breakdown” during the last episode. She had a smug, self-satisfied look like the cat that ate the canary the whole time the chaos was ongoing. She also looked like she had to work very hard at suppressing a full-on sh*t-eating grin.

      It was not until Teresa directly confronted her and said, “Maybe it’s YOU trying to set ME up!!” that Jac looked a little taken aback (I personally think it’s because she could not believe DUMBASS Teresa had enough INSTINCTS to know that this is probably EXACTLY what happened!). So, she resorted to calling Teresa names like “scum”.

      I theorized that Jac probably did not go to the Reunion for 1 of 2 Reasons (NEITHER of which had ANYTHING to do with any damned “breakdown” on Jac’s part): 1) BRAVO kept her unstable, loose-cannon, volatile a*s away because they did not want Jac to reveal some or ALL of BRAVO’s Season 4’s activities and plotlines (even though she took to Twitter and did it anyway); and/or 2) Teresa also probably called Jac out on taking Melissa’s side and working with Melissa and others to set Teresa up because Jac, like Melissa, was ALSO a damned stripper. Jac may have felt that Teresa was still pissed off enough to reveal that at the Season 3 Reunion.

      Now, stories have and are continuing to come out that it was indeed BRAVO that kept Jac’s C-R-A-Z-Y ass away from the Reunion for the exact above-mentioned reasons (Theory #1).

      Jac did not have a breakdown. She got busted and called out by Teresa for her involvement with a posssible producer and God knows how many other cast members in setting TERESA up to look like the Bad Guy and to look like Teresa did something she did NOT do. JMHO.

      • mkvalle says:

        How do you know that Jac was a stripper?

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Because I saw her actually do it, MK.

          Seriously, these rumors have been around since Season 1. Teresa and Jac were friends then. So, I doubt very seriously that Teresa was making those comments on the local Jersey blogs. Jac was rumored to have been a stripper AND an escort since that time.

          One of Danielle’s former Twitter fans also, after a falling-out with Danielle, showed Danielle’s texts and DM’s where she admitted selling the story about Jac being a stripper to some tabloid (even though Jac blamed Teresa for that). In those same texts and DM’s, Danielle said she refrained from revealing this information before because Jac BEGGED her not to do so. Out of loyalty, she did not. According to Danielle, once Jac broke her Season 2 Reunion promise to no longer bash Danielle, all bets and loyalty toward Jac were off.

          Sure, Danielle is disturbed, but even a BROKEN clock is RIGHT TWICE a day. Also, many other things Danielle said about her castmates during her time on the show, as time has gone on, have turned out to be TRUE (even though her castmates called her a big fat liar at the time).

          Also, I know Jac was a stripper and an escort the same way many people on here claim to know for sure that Joe Giudice is a cheater.

          I think Joe Giudice is a cheater; however, the evidence is all circumstantial. Just like I was NOT at a strip club viewing Jac personally taking her clothes off or in the bedroom while Jac entertained one of her clients, I ALSO was not in the bedroom (or God knows WHEREVER ELSE) with Joe Giudice when he entertained someone other than his wife, Teresa.

          And when it comes to BOTH Joe Giudice and Jac Laurita, I’d bet 10 FAT COWS to 3 SKINNY MONKEYS on everything I just said.

          By the way, how did you know that Teresa was uneducated? 😉

          • mkvalle says:

            When Teresa opens her mouth, that’s all that is needed.

            And I asked about Jac being a stripper because I don’t always watch all the shows, wondered if I missed something. I’m not into their lives as some people are.

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              I could be wrong (and I accept that), but you may be referring to me as being one of these (very sad) people who is so “into” their lives.

              If I am right, MK, you are ABSOLUTELY correct. I spend every waking minute thinking about all of the housewives, particularly Jac.

              I, however, recognize my UNFORTUNATE and SAD problem — hence, my blog name. I think I should be commended for recognizing my own problem, for that is half the battle (I just patted myself on the back for it).

              I am afraid of horses (DEAD SERIOUS).

              Can you tell me how it feels for you to sit on such a high one? I’d honestly like to know. 😀

              • ATLnNYC09 says:

                Im joining the club too Detox. Im in all of their business too because these bitches lie so much that you have to go digging for the dirt they try to hide.

              • mkvalle says:

                Yikes! I apologize for making you so angry.

                • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

                  LOL. MK, Sweetheart, you give yourself too much credit.

                  You do not make me angry at all. You have no such power over me.

                  You do SCARE me a little bit, though. I mean, you held in anger from ONE particular blog where I disagreed with you and proved you WRONG about something….and actually waited until a whole other blog (and an ENTIRELEY DIFFERENT day) to “taunt” me with your “hot off the presses information ” about Rob Shuter’s revealing of Lauren’s allegeding reading of a list of words from Teresa’s prior blogs and asking her to define them, which she could NOT. Then, with glee, you said, “I hope they don’t leave that part out.”

                  I, in my usual smartass way, basically asked/told you the following: why you were specifically responding to my comment with that info. when it had absolutely NOTHING to do with my comment; and theorized that you did so as a way of (CHILDISHLY, I might add) “getting me back” or “trying to hurt my feelings” about some stupid information about Teresa and the Reunion. I basically CALLED you OUT on doing that. I guess your little feelings were still hurt by our interaction on a prior day’s blog, and you actually bided your time until you could “ZAP” me back.

                  I also told you THEN, and I am going to tell you again NOW: I have NO time for such games. It is beneath me. It is childish.

                  And I frankly find a person who does such a thing to be a bit scary and possibly a little “off.”

                  Now, I COULD get UGLY and tell you to KISS MY BIG, BLACK, SEXY, ROUND ASS….but I will NOT do that, as it is #1) not NICE; and #2) not HUMBLE (no matter HOW MANY men have remarked this way about my nice posterior in the past).

                  Instead, I will ask you to listen to Mariah Carey’s song, “Obsessed,” becauses I am truly starting to wonder…

                  WHY YOU SO OBSESSED WITH ME, GIRL?

                  Isn’t Mariah pretty? She is one of my FAVORITE Divas.

                  Stop stalking my comments, MK, and find someone else who enjoys playing childish games.

                  I….am…NOT….”THE ONE”.

                  Oh, and I will be IGNORING you in the future (I tend to do that with people I opine are CRAZY. It’s just “safer” that way. *Shrug*).

                  Talk to you again…..Ummmm….

                  NEVER. 😀 (*Waving Goodbye to you, Love!*)

        • Called A Princess... says:

          Research. We do not just swallow the timeline that Andy, Bravo and the cast give us on information. The show should be viewed with a healthy stink eye. Most have found it to be fake reality and that is correct. Andy would still have us believe, by his lies, that the edit is honest and never tampered with. Since all the wives in the NJ cast have been caught in lie after lie, they can not be believed at face value. There is some information on the web that Jackie might have been a stripper in Vegas. I think she would be the only person who cares, at this point. JMHO.

    • Rebecca says:

      From Radaronline August 2

      ” According to Kim Granatell, who was previously on The Real Housewives of New Jersey, Jacqueline showed up at her house the night of the reunion in tears.

      “Jacqueline seemed so traumatized that night, so we sat on my couch, had a few shots of Cafe Patron and chatted ‘til 3 a.m., Jacqueline telling me that she hated Teresa Giudice, and that I had been right about her all along,” Kim G told Fox News’ Tom Murro.

      “She was crying and completely broken over the mess the show had become and I was comforting her.” “

      • Rebecca says:

        Oh well – that says night of the reunion…

        • dch60 says:

          I have also read from a “reliable” source that the all ladies (minus Teresa) continued partying after the PFS. It’s very sad but I believe that source over what Caroline says happened. If you lie once, you’ll lie again and again and that’s why I take what all of these women say with a grain of salt.

  4. Good morning all!!! That was definitely not easy to watch last night. My poor husband kept saying “this is stressing me out!” I realize that a lot of folks on here are very pro-Teresa and I’m probably going to get hammered for this, however, I have to say that for ME, after three seasons of HER ridiculous behavior with zero accountability at reunions, it was nice to see Teresa actually have to answer for/be called out on various topics. GRANTED, they ALL should be called out on their own behavior and I’m not saying Teresa is the only one who should be called out, HOWEVER, this was the first time I’ve seen her being held accountable for her actions/comments etc and I for one was happy to see that.
    I think that with Jacqueline, the pot has bubbled over with her and her frustrations with Teresa and while she could have incrementally divulged these bits of information that have clearly been bothering her for a few seasons, she let it bubble over and now she just looks like a crazy fool saying one thing after the other about Teresa. Evidently, Teresa has lied quite a bit (and again, they ALL HAVE but I’m talking about Tre) and for ME, the problem is that I personally haven’t seen any sincerity in any apologies or ANY onus of her behavior. To me, it appears that the other women have been more accountable for their actions or so it seems to me. I could be wrong, I’m just voicing my opinion. It kind of reminds me of Jill Zarin. I think if Tre just owned her behavior instead of coming across as defensive and guilty (I’m talking more about the info Jac has been bringing up in the reunion that happened off screen then the cookbook crap) then she’d be more likeable for me. While 4 on 1 never looks good, I am somewhat pleased that she isn’t being allowed to bull sh*t her way out of things.

    Someone mentioned something on the blog last night that I think was a very good point, Teresa constantly steered the conversation toward her. What was the point of bringing up Audriana? No, it wasn’t funny nor was it cute. It wasn’t her moment to say anything and yet she did. That is a quality that does frustrate me about her. She does seem to act as though everything revolves around her.

    Ultimately the reunion format is just not working. Maybe if Andy did a one on one with each housewife where he asked them directly the questions AND the FOLLOW UP questions that we want to hear maybe that would work better because all of them screaming at one another isn’t achieving anything.

    Hopefully I haven’t pissed anyone off with my comments but that’s just my take on things!!! Have a good day all!!!

    • Rebecca says:

      You had me up until the sincere apology part. These women have wronged her too and there has never been an apology to her, of any degree of sincerity at all. She’s apologized. Move on already.

      What really pissed me off was Lauren. Who the hell is this Mensa candidate to call anyone else out. A woman who doesn’t know what democracy means. A woman who can’t name the continents. Why wasn’t Kathy calling THAT exchange offensive? Because she’s a worthless relative. If she were in my family we’d call her one word – stranger.

      The Teresa is evil storyline is so old it’s going to effect every other RH franchise. Andy and his writers need to be replaced immediately.

      • I understand your points. I guess we just have different opinions. I do agree that if Tre has been wronged she deserves an apology as well. One thing I really wanted more clarification on was the sh*ttalking that went on outside the RV that jacqueline overheard….i just don’t get it. If she and Jacqueline made up then why did she proceed to say those things? That’s where my comment about a lack of sincere apology comes from specifically. If you really hate her then just say listen girl, I hate you so lets just move on…..All of this back and forth is driving me nutso!!!

        Oh and Lauren Manzo had ZERO place on that couch. That I agree with, but I secretly died laughing when she called Teresa out on how to spell napalm….I’m sorry I couldn’t help it because she was SO obviously caught at that moment and dumbfounded by it all!!!

        • Rebecca says:

          I think perhaps by that point (the RV trip), Teresa had Jacqueline pegged. Jacqueline is a gossip. She hears something from someone and spreads it, true or not. Maybe Teresa was trying to take herself off Jacqueline’s radar.

          • reallvhousewife says:

            Jac is a gossip and I had first hand experience with her. I took my kids to see her when she was here in LV pushing BLK water at a wholefoods on LV Bld. Since no one showed up…and I mean NO ONE….we sat and chatted with her for approx. 2 1/2 hours. She spilled her guts to us. She told us about her problems with T, Why Dina was mad and yes, even that Nicholas had autism. I wrote about it on Lynn’s blog on 2/15 and said she was dealing with personal problems but it was not my place to say. My point is this, if she spilled all to me and my family, people she had never met before, can you imagine how she gossips in her own community?? I loved Jac at that time as did the rest of my family. As time went on though, the realization of what type of person she was hit me. Definitely not someone I would want to associate with!!

            • LaineyLainey says:

              Oh you had a brush with fame! almost fame? cray? damn nearly bscray? Still, I’m not gonna lie I think it’s cool that you got to talk to her in person. But 2 and a half hours? I don’t even want to talk (really talk) to people I LOVE for that long of a stretch!

              • reallvhousewife says:

                I’m not going to lie about it, we were pretty excited to get the inside scoop and my teenage son thinks Jac is pretty cute, so he was a happy camper!! Albie was there as well. He was actually a sweetheart but shy. Chris was there Lurking in the background (seriously) and her parents and kids also showed up. It was a family affair!! As for the 2 1/2 hour chat….it’s the way I work…I talk to everyone like that…It Drives my family nuts!! =)

              • reallvhousewife says:

                As for Jackie being crazy, she seemed completely normal when we talked to her. She just had a lot to get out. I think right now we are just seeing her have a meltdown.

                • LaineyLainey says:

                  You must, understandably, have a soft spot for her after that experience. I guess I would too.

            • karrylyn says:

              Jac told you all? then spill it please…just among us friends……please! Ok…I want to know what the deal with Dina and Caroline is….why are the siblings not talking? I take it that more of Crolines siblings than Dina are not talking to her, right? What is the big deal? GAWD, with all the crazy crap we have just heard on Reunion part one, and all through the shows…you know it’ll come out. So share it with your friends here on the blog of blogs….Lynn N Chicago. do if for the memory of what Lynn created. Or….do it for my own curiosity, or how about just blabbing what big mouth Jac talked about???? OK?????? Thanks!!! cannot wait to hear the scoop you got!!!! Karrylin

              • Well, first off, she told me that Dina was mad because she thought she should have been the star of the show. When she wasn’t and Caro was the breakout star that first season, Dina was PO’d. When she decided to leave the show and the others didn’t follow, That was the straw that broke the camels back. That’s the reason that was given to me that afternoon. She also told me that the picture she text to Teresa of Joe and the other woman having dinner was sent to her from Kim G. “She’s such a kid!” She confirmed to me that she was mad at Teresa because she wasn’t there for her during the Ashley situation (never mentioned her not being there for her during the Nicholas diagnosis, even though she had told me about it) and that she had ruined several endorsement deals for her. It’s a lot of the stuff that did come out this season. It’s been a while since we talked (February) so the memory isn’t fresh…getting old stinks!! =) If you can think of anything else, let me know…Maybe then I’ll remember more of what we talked about!! Or I can ask my kids…they listened to the whole conversation!! LOL

            • rabblerouser2010R says:

              Oh, I remember you telling us about that.
              You are right about Jac, I think her motto is “If you ever need someone to confide in, come to me. Also, if you ever need to find something out about someone, also come to me”

        • Cartwheels says:

          I don’t get that either.
          Teresa had just made up with Jacqueline and seemed happy. Jac overhead a conversation over the window of the RV? really? I don’t think so.
          My gut is telling me that Melissa is the one who told that to Jacqueline in the hopes to stop them from being friends again. Caroline and Melissa had been guarding that very well, they have tried to avoid time and time again for Teresa and Jacqueline to get close again, because for their plan to work, they needed all of them at odds with Teresa, so just like with Danielle, Bravo wouldn’t have any other option than to kick Teresa out.
          Melissa is the one who always throws the stone and hides the hand. I hope the plan backfires.

          • Rebecca says:

            You mean like her “I only worked there a week” remark and subsequent release of a year’s worth of pay history?

          • dch60 says:

            Teresa had a point… if Jac had heard that why not mention it before that time? I would have marched over there right then and there if it had been me. She excuses Teresa of insincerity, how sincere could Jac have been about being friends with Teresa knowing that she said those things?

        • PJ says:

          I think Jac made that up and Melissa went with it. I don’t believe it.

          • I don’t want to turn this into a back and forth but I am just curious what your reasoning is to not believe Jacqueline? Correct me if I’m wrong but she was friends with Teresa for a very long time and throughout the season did express emotion about their up and down friendship. Why would she make up what she overheard? She is KNOWN to hold onto a friendship and defend people who are blaringly guilty (i.e., Danielle) so I’m just not quite sure what would lead you to believe Jac would make all of these things up about Teresa? I just don’t believe the jealousy notion because I don’t get that from jac at all. She’s not trying to hawk a product etc so I’m curious as to your rationale.

            • PJ says:

              I think Jac is really nuts and I don’t believe her about anything. I think Jac would say whatever she felt would prove her point to either get attention or cause drama. I actually don’t agree that Jac is a good friend, I don’t think she really is or ever has been. I have observed the way she interacts with Ashley (past seasons–and I commented about it then) and I found it disturbing and abusive. I felt that there were times Jac set Ashley up so Ashley would react and she could argue with her and bully her, it made me wonder just how much of Ashley’s behavior was due to Jac’s poor parenting. Yes there were problems with Ashley but I actually felt bad for Ashley sometimes. Then there is the fact that Jac changes her story all the time and always has all this proof the never materializes. Jac publishes partial texts to try and make Teresa look bad and when Teresa posts the whole interaction which makes Jac looks nuts Jac starts slinging mud at Teresa. I could go on but I have things to do today.

              • Called A Princess... says:

                In a nutshell, Jax can not be trusted. If Caroline, Mel or Jax say something happened, I want proof with witnesses and a town meeting. We saw Jax lie at the PFS to Joey about Tres involvement in a set up, just to create drama. She is so messy. IMO.

        • Eve says:

          I agree with Obsessessed with RH. If Jac had heard something outside the window you can bet she would have talked about it before this. She can’t keep her mouth shut. Also Lauren Manzo could lose 100 lbs and would still be ugly. She is nasty like her mother and feels entitled. So what if T has help writing her blogs? I just don’t get why that is such a big problem.

      • Mary E says:

        Thanks, Rebecca. I, too, am sick of Lauren. How dare she call anyone out? She doesn’t go to school, doesn’t have a job, lives at home, opens a salon her parents pay for, closes it (same day?), opens another….really. Makes me kind of respect Ashleeee for at least having the sense to leave these wackos. As someone has said, Lauren looks like one of the Angry Birds is that silly ipad game. Angry bird.

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        Yes, someone must have secretly slipped a certain type of drug in my Crystal Lite for the past two seasons (which I drink as I watch RHONJ and other shows) that caused me to COMPLETELY BLACK OUT only when one or some or ALL of the cast members ever gave an apology to Teresa for anything — because I simply cannot recall any sincere apology sent anywhere near Teresa’s direction.

        I DO recall Teresa apologizing MORE THAN ONCE throughout the past 2 seasons to MORE THAN ONE person. Oh yeah, but I forgot: her apologies do NOT count because they were not done the proper way or in a sincere enough manner or in a manner deemed acceptable by the person (or persons) to whom she was apologizing.

        Teresa could have found the cure for Cancer during the past 2 seasons; saved Nicholas from a burning building; pushed Lauren out of the way of a moving car to save her life; taken down a gunman trying to shoot Melissa; been the only possible bone marrow match for Joey Gorga and gladly donated….

        ….and those bitches, I PROMISE you, would have STILL found a way to criticize her and say she was doing it only for the publicity or her own self-interest.

        She will NEVER win with those people (“Damned if she DOES. Damned if she does NOT. So, if I were her, I would take the route of no longer giving a DAMN about ANY of them any longer [In short, I would now be doing NOT/naught!!] — which is the route it looks like she has FINALLY taken. Good for her. I’m sorry it took her so long to wise up about her so-called family and friends, though. Joe Giudice has his faults, but he tried to tell Teresa to do this with her brother and his wife and with her cousin Kathy and her husband and, eventually, with the Manzo’s and Laurita’s a LONG time ago. I’m still angry with Joe, but it’s the truth. He had their numbers way before Teresa did).

        • mkvalle says:

          Detox…are you on Teresa’s payroll? You the one writing her blog? Just kidding, I don’t think you are either of the above but I remember a time on this blog whenever someone came on this blog in favor of Jill Zarin, they were branded as being “on JZ’s payroll”.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            Yes, MK.

            Teresa sends me a check every week; however, she sends it to me under the table so BRAVO (and her castmates do not find out).

            Are you on the payroll of Jac or Caroline or Melissa or Kathy? I hope so.

            It would be nice if we could BOTH we rewarded for our efforts. Don’t ya think?

        • PJ says:

          You said exactly what I think about this cast Detox.

        • rabblerouser2010R says:

          If I ever get into legal trouble, I want you to be my lawyer.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            I hope you are a nurse or a doctor or another medical professional that works for a LA State hospital, as that is my area of expertise when it comes to defense ( 1) You must prove the Standard of Care for that particular area of Medicine; 2) You then must prove that there has been a BREACH in that Standard of Care; 3) Next, you must prove that the Plaintiff suffered actual DAMAGES; and 4) Finally, you must prove NEXXUS (or a CONNECTION) between the actual breach of the standard of care and the Plaintiff’s actual damages.

            Unless those 4 hoops are able to be jumped through, the Plaintiff loses out).

            As for anything CRIMINAL, Rabble, we might as well get someone else to write your appeal because if I defend you, you are MOST LIKELY going to JAIL (I know very little about criminal law). 😀

      • kit9 says:

        Big difference. Lauren not knowing continents doesn’t matter. T, staring blankly like a zombie, not knowing what napalm is does matter because she continues to lie through her rotten teeth about writing her own blog. Lauren nailing that lying liar to the wall was glorious. And, t being evil isn’t a storyline(well, unless like everything else, she’ acting that, too)it’s a fact. The woman is horrid.

        • Eve says:

          Why does it matter so much if T gets help writing her blog?

          • I think it’s about the fact that she isn’t admitting that she clearly isn’t writing them….

            • melthehound says:

              Honestly, Who cares?

              • rabblerouser2010R says:

                Well, it’s kind of like the ‘stripper’ dancer thing. It’s more about the lie.

                • melthehound says:

                  I understand that RR. I say if she paid for it, then it’s her blog. The people who are building cars on an assembly line don’t own the cars, they aren’t Their cars. The cars belong to the ones paying to have them built. I hope that analogy is clear. This ghostwriter nonsense has been going on for over a year and it’s just as worthless now as it was then.

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      ITA Excellent points about Tre’s desire to constantly turn the conversation around to her. How inappropriate was her comment about her daughter, God Bless Audriana, and Nicolas being boyfriend and girlfriend but they broke up. SMH This bitch doesn’t get it! They were talking about the child being non-verbal, due to regression because of Autism, and she wants to talk about silly nonsense. Can’t stand Caroline but my RealSisters and I laughed hysterically when she lost her shite over Teresa’s selfish lunacy.

      • Rebecca says:

        Wait- and don’t bite my head off here – but they did show marathons of the old NJ shows these past few weeks. They showed the babies after they were born and talked about Audriana being Nicholas’ girlfriend. She probably rewatched that too and saw how adorable it was at the time. She could have been bringing closure to that storyline.

        • Amber...Real Wife says:

          Adorable in the past, the present is much darker for Jacqueline. It wasn’t a moment for Tre to go down memory lane and definitely not her place to close the segment on Jac’s son.

          • PJ says:

            Sorry I don’t agree.

          • Boobah says:

            I agree with you Amber. It was insensitive to say the least. Jac had just sobbed her eyes out when it was revealed that Nick had regressed. Typically speaking, that moment called for selfless compassion. Caroline hugged her, Melissa and Kathy teared up. Note that Kathy refrained from bringing up her daughters brain tumor in an attempt to indentify with Jac…they let Jac have her moment and did not insert themselves. Tre did. To me, this demonstrated her narcissism. There wasn’t anything kind about it. Perhaps this type of insensitivity is what is pissing all of them off.

            • Eve says:

              I thought J smiled when T said that. It was Caroline who had a cow.

              • Rebecca says:

                Jacqueline laughed. It was sincere. It was lightening the moment. Caroline should have shut up.

            • Called A Princess... says:

              I also think it demonstrates just how hurt Tre has become by this pact of wolves. There are consequences to evil deeds and one is that when you gas light someone, as a group, that person at some point may lash out in unforgiving ways. React without grace. I wish that Jackie and Andy had talked about Nickolas in a one on one. This is a production issue meant to show Jax as an emotional caring mother that has suffered a great loss. Her actions on tweeter and in the social media tell a different story. Yes she loves her children, but she also loves being in the middle of backstage housewives drama and has not earned the right to, a mother of the year, pass. JMHO.

              • Boobah says:

                That’s exactly right, CAP. Consequences. It is very possible that Teresa is receiving her consequences. Perhaps the fact that 4 women feel the same way about her is evidence to the fact that indeed she did behave in the manner as purported by them. Sometimes when more than one person states it, it’s just good sense to believe there is some truth to it. IMHO.

                • dch60 says:

                  Not when it’s THESE women. The are all in it for themselves. There is jealousy and Jac even admitted that Teresa interfered with her endorsement deals (actually what Teresa supposedly did was got the deals with different companies but the same products before Jac’s were confirmed – ah okay, whatever) And just look at the lengths Melissa went to to get on the show. And Kathy happily followed and called Teresa out all season. That theory works sometimes, but not all the time. And this is one of those times when the rule has been broken.

      • kit9 says:

        Jac had just shared that her son, who once could speak and express love for his mother, can do neither now and what comes to T’s pea sized brain? Making a cutesy reference to her own daughter.

    • PJ says:

      I actually don’t agree that Teresa was steering the conversation toward herself. She just brought up a point from the past and got blasted for it. Their children were close and now Jac’s son has regressed, it’s a shame.

      • MamaZ says:

        I think Teresa mentioned it because she is as hurt by the loss of this friendship as Jaq says she is.

        • PJ says:

          I agree and I don’t understand everyone jumping on Teresa for saying it. I could see it as something someone who was once a close friend would say.

          • I think the timing of it was poor. It was obviously an extremely emotional moment for Jacqueline who was sobbing about her child. Teresa should have simply sat there quietly and if she wanted to bring it up, could have doneso as they were finishing that segment. Her choice of timing to jump in in the middle of Jacqueline explaining her struggle was simply poor and showed an obvious lack of judgment.

            • PJ says:

              Well, everyone seems to know what Teresa should do at all times.

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              I agree with you that the timing of Teresa saying that was very poor.

              • Chicago Diane says:

                I agree that there were many things T said last night which I wish she had not- whether or not they came out as inteneded. I hold her accountable her for plenty and feel she too lies about a great deal/misstates what she wants to forget. But- and I am sure to will raise hackles, but forgive me, am going to say what I really think:
                Jacqueline has known about Nicholas for over a year. I have several family members with children with similar- and one the identical- diagnoses. They consider it personal family business, and would neither 1) take a year to get a diagnosis and action plan for something so serious, 2) spend a minute of their time, once the problem was visible/cause for any concern, fighting/going after/worrying about/sharing on Twitter about friends, nor 3)disclose it in a national magazine, or 4)while then making sobbing scenes on TV one minute about the desperation/pain.worry/etc, and the next have a grin as she went after former friends. Either the energy is spent focusing on the child and family, or it is not. Jacqueline would have been much more believable had she talked about her son and left the rest to other with less weighty concerns, in mho.

                • dch60 says:

                  And did she not swear on that child’s life? Worse than what Teresa IMO but what the others do seems to be always overlooked.

          • kit9 says:

            No close friend would pivot from hearing a friend’s child has lost the ability to speak to something so stupid and trivial, imo. It was incredibly insensitive.

            • Called A Princess... says:

              I think that Teresa is a very odd person. I think it is fair to comment on her lack of sound judgement. Please remember that she is under siege and that her reactions maybe not be perfect. They really never are. IMO.

              • PJ says:

                It would be difficult to know how to react in that situation. I think that those criticizing Teresa for the way she reacted would have a difficult time knowing what to say under the same circumstances, knowing that no matter what you say or don’t say you are going to be criticized. It’s always easy to know exactly what other people should do and how they should react. I actually saw moments of regret over the loss of friendship on both Teresa and Jac’s part. I really think Teresa was just remembering what things used to be like and I think the one who had the problem with it was Caroline not Jac. That moment could have been an open door for Teresa and Jac but Caroline ruined it.

                • dch60 says:

                  Did it not get Jac’s mind over what she was crying about? Maybe Teresa thought she was lightening up the moment. Jac did almost crack a smile.

    • PatnPhilly says:

      I agree with you, I hate them all but for some reason people will give excuses for Teresa’s behavior but not for the others. I was never a big fan of Teresa and I never will be, she’s too narcissistic and stupid!

    • Tracyshea says:

      I have never been pro Teresa and never will. I also am happy people are getting on her for all the mean things she has done!

    • Powell says:

      Obsessed I’m not a fan of anyone of them on NJ. NJ is my least favorite and that’s saying something cause OC is a close 2nd. I’ve only seen bits this season. The reunion will be the most I’ve watched. From what I’ve seen and read here they are ALL hypocrites and don’t own any of their behavior. Caroline may be the only one that says her famous line, “I am what I am” but ALL of them live by that same creed. I now understand Jac’s frustration w/T thks to you all but her anger doesn’t fit the hate she’s doling out to T. None of their anger fits their hate based on what they have said. They want honesty from T, then they ALL need to be honest about why they are mad. They are mad about T’s success. Mel copies T’s style every chance she gets. Kathy is now hoping her recipes will bring her the same success. Caroline is jealousf T’s multiple book successes. And they are ALL jealous of T’s mag covers/articles success & I don’t know why cause T has sold her soul and family for those covers/stories. T has consistently lied about how many stories she’s put out their, what she’s been paid for. Joe even said what she’s been paid for. ALL of them talk smack about someones financial status when they’ve ALL had some type of issue. I will watch the rest of the reunion. If Bravo doesn’t make some major changes next season I’m going to say bye, bye to NJ. Bravo is the main culprit in NJ’s downfall w/manipulative producers plotting & pitting the cast against one another. Some of those producers should have had their own hot seats at the reunion.

      • dch60 says:

        But didn’t Melissa say that no one gets paid for articles unless they are Jennifer Aniston? What does that say?

  5. Cartwheels says:

    So let me get this straight
    Kathy , Jacqueline, Melissa and Caroline can talk about Teresa, her business, her problems, her kids, etc, etc but if Teresa mentions anything that she has also heard (like Kathy’s marital problems), then she deserves that her mother gets called an f(*&ing liar and her father a coward?

    Teresa said her father was there for Kathy and Rosie even more than sometimes their own father, yet because he is dead nobody can talk about him, but they (K&R) can talk about Teresa’s parents using those profanities like it is not a big deal.

    My question was why is Melissa not reacting to this? why is Melissa not telling Kathy off, they are her Parents in law, they are Joey’s parents too. Where is Joey’s outrage? Has he forgotten that Kathy is refering to his parents too?

    I am glad that Kathy showed her true self though, just for the ones who keep saying that she is the only normal one. No wonder she is married to Richy, they deserve each other.

    • I will clarify that Kathy’s outburst was uncalled for. I think they are all so pent up that they sit on those couches and all chaos breaks loose. Kathy seemed to have a calm head on her shoulders throughout the season but she lost it last night. Someone said last night “Gorga switch” and I think that hit the nail on the head. They have this switch that gets flipped on and it’s almost like they have rage blackouts and just spew profanities and lose all filters. Let’s not forget though that they have all used some pretty f’ed up language (C U Next Tuesday, **tard etc., )

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      I tweeted Melissa and asked her if her husband was upset over the things that Kathy said about his parents. I will report back if she replies.

    • Kathy really showed her true colors. That was probably the biggest ah ha for me. She’s got just as much a Gorga trigger as Joey and Teresa (and Rosie). I cringe to think about what when on as these kids were growing up to make them like this.

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        I think these gals grew up with men who raged constantly. Just angry people who can’t control their temper and lived to hold grudges.

        • Zoey says:

          Amber, I totally agree! This is the norm for many of them. If they lie constantly and say anything to ‘protect’ previous lies, that’s what they know. If they yell and name call, that’s what is familiar to them.

          • MamaZ says:

            Kathy’s tirade against her aunt and uncle was horrible and unjustified. And not because they are Teresa’s parents. And Rosie is a psychopath.

            • PJ says:

              I agree.

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              When Rosie said something about not caring if she “caught a case,” I felt like I was hearing Evelyn Lozada (who PROUDLY admits that she grew up in the Bronx projects and uses it to threaten, terrorize, bully and intimidate her fellow castmates) from the original “Basketball Wives” after she tried to justify throwing a full wine bottle and an actual plate at one of her cast members’ heads as the BBW bodyguards got that particular cast member away from Evelyn.

              “Catch A Case” is something I’ve often heard people from “the hood/ghetto” say (*Shrug*).

              Lovely, just lovely.

              Every single one of them “showed their asses” last night.

    • kit9 says:

      Teresa made her mother an issue,, not Kathy. Kathy didn’t bring her up, T did as a weapon to back up her position against Kathy. Kathy, at that point had every reason to lash out at her mother who T had just said had said crap about Kath’s marriage.

      • MamaZ says:

        No she didn’t. It was Teresa who said it, her mother wasn’t even there.

        • Lady Chatterley says:

          True, Kathy doesn’t know if what Teresa was saying is even true. Teresa pushed the button – Kathy reacted. But, it was Teresa who pulled the parents into the exchange. Kathy just reacted – reacted badly – but, Teresa planted that bomb.

      • PJ says:

        No one had a right to lash out at Teresa’s mother like that. Then Kathy went after Teresa’s father a blood relative. That was a disgusting display and uncalled for.

  6. Zoey says:

    Good morning all! What a hate fest that was…ugh. Makes you feel dirty all over! I still want T to ‘get hers’, but she will never accept responsibility for anything she’s done, nor sincerely relate to another human being, so it’s a waste of time and energy.

    I do wish Kathy would have said ‘Tre, you left your child unattended’ just to unnerve the green goddess and her ‘I don’t care’ attitude.

    Have a great Monday people!

    • You’re 100 percent right. My husband and I were talking about this last night how she reminds me of this ex-friend we had who legitimately believed all of her lies and we would say she lived in in alternate reality where she thought that everything happened as it did in her brain which was completely unlike the actual reality. You just can’t make people see that if they are that detached from reality.

      • I said it last night and I’ll say it again – when Caroline touched her arm and tried to calm her down and let her know that what she was feeling (after Kathy said those horrid things about her parents) was what the others felt when she said awful thing about them. But she couldn’t see it.

        • Cartwheels says:

          I don’t think that anything Teresa has said about any of them comes nowhere close to what they have said about Teresa, it is not only the name calling of her parents (which was a very low blow), but many other things like:
          Caroline: Teresa, you are whoring Gia out
          Lauren: Teresa, you are a dickhead
          Jacqueline: Teresa, you are going to hell
          Melissa: That biatch is crazy
          Kathy: well, let’s say that the attack on her parent took the cake.

          I could come up with more but I think I have made my point 🙂

          • Amber...Real Wife says:

            But which one of them called her a C U Next Tuesday? None. That honor remains with her husband.

            • That is something I still DO NOT understand. WHY is she still with him? WHY does she defend him when his indiscretions are blatantly in front of her face? It’s not like she’s staying with him because he’s providing for her financially and let’s be realistic his “emotional” support consists of calling her a CU next tuesday and cheating on her so WHAT is the point? It’s not like her children aren’t aware of the stife…..I obviously can’t comment on what’s going on behind closed doors but that seriously breaks my heart and in that aspect of her life I really do feel very bad for Teresa, but at the same time I want to shake her and say WAKE UP and LOSE HIM….my favorite was when she referred to him as a “great guy.” She MUST be delusional if she believes that and if she DOES believe he’s a great guy in spite of everything he’s said and done then she has made her bed and can lay in it with that rolly polly piece of trash.

              • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

                The same things that allow many women to stay in marriages like that:

                They believe in honoring their vows before God and “for better or for worse”.

                They come from a strictly Catholic home where they were taught that divorce was shameful (My Dad’s sister wanted to leave her husband several times and went to my grandmother’s house with her children each of those times. Because he was not beating her, my grandmother constantly told my aunt that to divorce was a sin in the eyes of the Lord and to go back home. This did not mean she did not LOVE my aunt/her daughter. She was just more concerned for her daughter/my Aunt’s eternal soul.).

                They grew up in households where verbal abuse was considered “the norm” (Teresa’s own brother called her “garbage” and a “bitch” during his very first episode. He also called her a “fucking bitch” when they tried to talk at Kathy’s pool party.). Maybe this is Teresa’s “normal” and something with which she feels “comfortable” because it relates to a childhood filled with verbal abuse.

                They love their husbands blindly and more than themselves.

                They believe their children would be worse off in a home with one parent as opposed to two.

                I personally would NOT put up with kind of treatment. However, I am a lapsed Catholic who believes God would “understand” if I chose to divorce someone for 1 of the 3 “A’s”: Abuse; Adultery; and or Addiction.

                I also believe that it is better for children to COME FROM a broken home than to LIVE in one.

                But I am not Teresa.

                Why does Caroline stay with a husband who allegedly spends very little time with her; hardly pays her any attention; and allegedly has a longtime mistress about whom everybody (including Caroline), except for maybe the Manzo children (who, like Teresa, choose to be in denial and actually BELIEVE that their Father is actually working ALL those hours and has NOT had for YEARS the authority and power to delegate responsibility to his employees so that he could spend more time with his wife).

                • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

                  I stress ALLEGEDLY on the Caroline part because, despite this constantly being commented on in local Jersey blogs since Season 1, BRAVO has chosen to not even HINT at any problems or dysfunction in any other marriage but the Giudice’s.

                  I wonder why that is (*Shrug*).

                • dch60 says:

                  But Lauren admitted that when she was Gia’s age she was mad at her own father because she thought he was cheating on Caroline. I can’t believe no one has brought that up and unfortunately I’m VERY late to this party.

            • PJ says:

              They should all get a pass for all the nasty horrible things they say to Teresa because Jac makes yet another claim that Teresa did something that Jac can’t prove. Jac makes a lot of claims.

              • Mary E says:

                Jac is a) brainless b) has nothing going on upstairs, at all c) has the maturity of a 13 year old d) has no clue she is lacking in certain facilities. She is the blankest of the bunch. Her husband knows this…maybe that’s why he married her. Caro know this, maybe that’s why she puppets her. Her daughter know this…this is why she took advantage of her and then left. Kathy and Richie know this as does Melissa…they know Jac is an easy con. Please, andy, get rid of her. It’s like abusing someone who is not fit…..

                • bea says:

                  I don’t disagree with you, but what does it say about Teresa that she was best friends with her for 10 years? I really think they are two peas in a pod.

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              C U Next Tuesday VERSUS

              Horrible Mother (“whoring Gia out”).

              Stupid.

              Liar.

              Bitch.

              Crazy.

              Horrible Person Going to Hell.

              Dickhead.

              Person Whose Mother is a “F*cking Liar” and Whose Father is a “Coward”.

              TOE-MAE-TOE.

              TOE-MAH-TOE.

              What makes C U Next Tuesday any worse than any of those other insults? Nothing from my point of view.

              • PJ says:

                Good point Detox and that is only what we heard on camera at the reunion. They claim Teresa called them that but did she ever do it on camera? Again we just need to take their word.

          • Tracyshea says:

            She called everyone one bad name or another! She is in no way innocent. She gives as good as she gets.

          • kit9 says:

            Everyone of the things you listed were well deserved and in response to attacks Teresa made. Teresa was the one throwing very personal low blows all night. Calling someone’s dress ‘christmas’ is nowhere near as nasty as insulting someone’s looks-which T did REPEATEDLY to Caroline. Lauren called her a dickhead because she made nasty comments about Caroline’s weight and looks. Caroline said she was whoring out Gia(which T absolutely has done-despicably-with all her kids)in response to T’s attack on Caroline’s parenting. Jac told her she was going to hell after T repeatedly lied through her teeth about telling people Mel was stripper and accusing Jac of orchestrating the whole Posche fiasco, which is absurd. Teresa attacked Kathy first with expletives completely unprovoked and out of nowhere. Then, Teresa, not Kathy, drug her mother into it(as Mel pointed out T likes to do-involve her parents, that is)using her to support her attack on Kath. Kath didn’t go there…involving parents-Teresa did. And, this is all after T’s despicable attack on Kath’s marriage. Kath didn’t hit low to deserve that…all she said is T called her to vent her frustrations with everyone and Teresa shot back with an attack on Kath’s marriage. Teresa is the Queen of Low Blows and got what she deserved.

            • dch60 says:

              To say that Teresa was to blame for EVERYTHING last night is just so typical. Who’s to say that Jac setting up the PFS is so ridiculous? She’s the one that got a text and showed it to Melissa without even confirming the information. Teresa didn’t say anything bad about Caroline’s children… nothing that isn’t true and hasn’t been talked to length about here. Teresa’s comment about her mother was actually in response to something Kathy said to her. Sorry, but those who don’t like T are never going to see things any differently. That’s the only fact.

        • Zoey says:

          NMD, that could have been a golden moment when C touched her arm and tried to make a point. Even though it was coming from one loony and going to another, it could have snapped Tre into reality. She doesn’t seem to have any feelings. Some sort of thick wall is up. But, she was so focused on the ‘trees’, lol, she couldn’t see the forest.

          • MamaZ says:

            Teresa left her child in a stroller for like 15 minutes at a family party. Not at an amusement park, not at a movie theater. Big deal. She should have said “yeah, so what?”

          • dch60 says:

            Who wouldn’t put a wall up after being treated the way she’s been treated?

        • PJ says:

          Because Caroline wasn’t being real. She could care less what Teresa feels.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      I think Teresa has been “getting hers” for the past 2 seasons.

      Despite what others think, I DO think Teresa HAS grown and recognizes some of her own bad behavior. I just don’t think she feels like showing that to any of her castmates any longer because she feels they are not even WORTHY of it.

      It seems to me that, since the Season 3 Reunion, UNLIKE the OTHERS Teresa has been focused on her OWN family and her OWN business. Like she said last night, she does not know what is going on with ANY of them because she no longer “gives a sh*t”. I agree with her that THEY have been OBSESSED with everything that has been going on with HER since the Season 3 Reunion (and even BEFORE then).

      Jac needs to focus on her children, particularly little Nicholas, and her own financial troubles and her own court case.

      Melissa needs to focus on finding an identity that is ALL HER OWN (and not Teresa’s or J-Lo’s). She also needs to focus on getting actual voice training and more serious dance lessons OR on coming up with a new angle to bring money back into their Gorga household.

      Caroline needs to focus on getting a life outside of her “children” who are all actually grown ADULTS. Cut the apron strings, Caroline. Get some friends besides your kids. She also needs to focus on making amends with her own family members and finding out WHY more than one of them either have a serious problem with her or want nothing at all to do with her.

      Kathy needs to focus on refraining from constantly trying to undermine Teresa and her cookbooks and her livelihood and get serious about her making her own money from her passion from cooking. If that does not work, maybe she needs to focus on going back to being a hairdresser.

      In short, they all need to get out of Teresa’s backyard and business and tend to their OWN. Every single one of them have MORE THAN ENOUGH to keep them occupied without giving Teresa a single thought. THOSE THINGS — not Teresa — should be their focus.

      • Chicago Diane says:

        Beautifullly said!
        I turned on the tape prepared to see 1) 4 of them, each of whom has had life change/fall down around them in the past year or two, but who were coming to the reunion show united in their desire to “GET” Teresa in every way they could. She knew her job was to defend herself- as it has been since the moment Bravo agreed to hire MeGo and Kathy and hubbies to “HURT” Teresa, while creating their own brands, etc- becoming “stars”.

        Seasons 1 and 2 were about getting to know a group of friends and family who had differing friendships, relationships, amid distinctive personalities. etc. Seasons 3 and 4, once Danielle was gone, and after the table flip, was Bravo’s attempt to hire people whose sole desire was to fracture family relationships, for the purpose of their own fame and money. Add to hurt Teresa and Joe , who displayed dishonest, obnoxious abuse of the law, and had not given the others enough “visibility ” to please them. Add Bravo’s desire for high ratings based on over the top emotion, and family destruction, and Juicy’s gay slurs, and Bravo had a perfect target. S3, Episode 1, the christening, was perfect from Bravo’s standpoint- they could display a family in disgrace/chaos as jealous people who wanted fame got drunk and high, started lying and scheming, while exhibiting unbridled emotion, and off they went. Add two friends who had their own issues, wanted their own story lines, and saw one party being attacked, and over time, joined the larger group. All for personal benefit. And the destruction of their integrity. They were never real friends- or this could not have happened. And it was all for their 15 minutes. And a show that used them.

        I watched the Season 1 reunion this weekend and was watching a different world- one where relativly innocent, not always right by any means, but not deliberately lying, manipulative, con-artists, were operating, People stood for things they believed in and many mistakes were made, but friendships and truth mattered- at least some. But this has become a game where the “stars” were manipulated to make a story arc work, by producers who lied to/manipulated their egos to have them do whatever they wanted, without even realiizing who they were becoming. Caroline seemed a well-intended person who was too strong willed but meant well. Jac had her issues but seemed to care.

        This last two seasons has been about made-up everything and lies out of every mouth. Producers who could get them something – more air time, a better story line, more business, would choose who to share what with, who to set up, who to lie to, and they allowed thenmselves to be managed by their desires. Now- they have been lying so long, the bulk of them have no idea what is true- or do, and just keep lying/manipulating/crying. It is disgraceful, and so is Bravo, and every one of them. I don’t know if we see the truth about any of them anymore- so my emotion is no longer involved, and I see them as sad and lost. LIfe’s challenges have forced T to go to work – the rest of them seem to have gone to work to keep their story arcs alive- rather then their integrity. And the producers cut her out of it all, and used her limited skills to get her to reply in ways that exacerbated them. She is no saint -and is accountbale as well- but this is absurd. As is watching, engaging it, as is taking it seriously.

      • cdnfillie58 says:

        I don’t think Tre lets them go about their business and stay out of her backyard….kinda defeats the purpose….such as why even mention them in her books? She needs them to deflect..plain and simple. That’s the real Teresa

        • dch60 says:

          Those comments were while they were “together” and were not that big a deal. I don’t even know why that keeps coming up. They were a big fat nothing, even so, those nothings were true. That’s maybe why everyone was so upset. The 16th Italian thing was something the Rachael Rae show made up and Caroline laughed about. It’s just ridiculous and an aversion at which to be mad.

  7. Good Morning! Lots to read today, but just wanted to pop in to let you know there are new posts! Off to coffee and reading now! Hugs!
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  8. ladyballs says:

    weeks ago on this blog, i said teresa’s world revolved around her as a child and young woman. i also said she still operates from this point of view.

    i’m glad you see that, too.

    • Rebecca says:

      I don’t think anyone would disagree with that. However, you’re supposed to worry about yourself and stay out of other people’s business. Teresa takes it to the Nth degree.

  9. BB says:

    Great recaps Starrs99. I didn’t watch, but now I know what happened without giving Bravo any ratings! Great recap of Amazing Race, MTH. I watched for the very first time and enjoyed it.

    • Zoey says:

      Wasn’t it good? That hour seemed to fly by! That’s probably as close as I will ever get to seeing China. That’s my favorite part, seeing the places they travel to and their interaction with the locals.

  10. BB says:

    Happy Birthday, Trashy T!

  11. nohausfrau says:

    It was like an accident you can’t take your eyes off of even though you want to. Tre and Jac came off equally bad but I feel sorry for Jac (what a train wreck)and Tre just pisses me off with her constant lying and her inability to own any of her crappy behavior. Kathy also started out good but ended up looking really bad. Caro actually came off looking ok. She still doesn’t own her cruelty to her own daughter but for the most part she came off as a reasonable person who happens to be a bit of a biotch. Mel wasn’t above tossing a few stones Tre’s way but was well behaved for the most part.

    I was surprised how pro Tre the chat was last night. I would love to see a mediator deal with these people instead of Andy. I can just see her saying to Jac “just because Tre talked to you about outing Mel’s past doesn’t PROVE she orchestrated strippergate at the fashion show”. I think she could also call Tre on her inability to accept responsibility for anything.

    • PJ says:

      I don’t believe anything Jac says.

      • MamaZ says:

        I’m just curious, not judging but if you think they were equally bad why do you feel sorry for one but angry at the other?

        • PJ says:

          I hate gang ups. No one involved in a gang up is a nice person.

          • Tracyshea says:

            Even if they all have been hurt by this one person? I don’t think you can ever say something that is so general.

            • PJ says:

              How have they all been hurt by this one person? That’s the thing that really gets me. I have actually never seen anything that Teresa did to any of them beside accusations. There is never anything specific. I have seen the others try to hurt Teresa though or actually hurt her. Teresa bad we good bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

              As to the gang ups I think that was very specific.

              • Called A Princess... says:

                CaCaroline told us to read between the lines, concerning Teresa. The gang are not nuns. They are spiteful under accomplished pot stirrers that want to take Teresa down. The end game is not to correct bad behavior, but to control the most popular cast mate, to neutralize the competition. The gang keeps poking the snake and then getting mad when she strikes! JMHO.

              • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

                Teresa DID do something that hurt and angered EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, PJ…..

                She became the MOST successful at using her RHONJ platform to make money and build a brand.

                All of the other stuff those angry birds are squawking about are simply red herrings designed to distract viewers from that fact.

                Like Bethenny once said, “It’s never ABOUT what it’s ABOUT.” Jill was not really angry at Bethenny for not being a good friend and hurting her feelings: She was angry that Bethenny was the most talked-about cast member of RHONY and the one who, like Teresa, was the must successful at using RHONY to build a successful brand.

                Teresa did not do one single thing WORSE to ANY of them than THEY did to HER.

                JMHO.

        • nohausfrau says:

          Mamaz,
          I think Jac is a child that has never grown up. This was why she couldn’t adequately parent Ashley, why she doesn’t think before she tweets etc.
          I think Tre is a nacissist. She is also extremely aggressive.

          Both annoy me a lot but Jac is dealing with a lot with her child and for that she has my sympathy. Tre’s troubles are man made– a douche of a husband, bankruptcy etc.

          • MamaZ says:

            nohausfrau – Thank you for the answer. I was glad to see that you had a reason and not just a knee jerk reaction against Teresa.

    • Mary E says:

      I do not feel sorry for Jac one bit. She’s desparate for attention of any kind. To sum it up, her daughter, who may be more insightful than any of us realize, said “My mom loves a crisis” or is drawn to crisis. Something like that. She constantly puts herself in the center of the drama…like she has nothing else to do? Go home, figure out your bills, (go to work? oh, her past profession might make it tough in Franklin Lakes) take care of your son and support your daughter. Stop crying. Stop bitching and get your ____ together.

      • PJ says:

        This is what I think of Jac she loves to cause drama. She is a drama junkie.

        • Mary E says:

          ok. Now we’re agreeing with Ashleeeee. Scary. Scary to think Ashleeeee is more mature than her mother. Might be true.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            That young lady (Ashley) has been taunted ad nauseum by her mom. And then mom plays the victim…”what?? I was trying to be nice…poor me with the ungrateful daughter. I’m going to cry for the camera now…”

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        Jac seems to have a habit of focusing on OTHER people’s drama and OTHER people’s faults in order to avoid looking HERSELF in the mirror and facing her OWN drama and her OWN faults.

  12. BB says:

    If anyone is interested in a recap of Revenge, RealHousewifeofAiken (the Empress) did a good one. She’s on the blogroll.

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      I haven’t see the show yet, I watched Boardwalk Empire then fell asleep 1/2 through Dexter. But I woke up at 2 am and finished it then watch NJ. I am saving Revenge for when my husband is up since we watch it together.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      Thanks! I love that show!

    • dch60 says:

      I watched Revenge and thought it didn’t disappoint. I fell asleep during 666 Park Ave. What I did see made me think it’s an odd show. I’ll probably watch it again, or at least record it. I recorded NJ and got a thrill, once I was done watching it, out of hitting the delete button. I should have done it BEFORE i watched however… lol

  13. rabblerouser2010R says:

    I think the behavior of all the ladies on the reunion show was appalling.
    Caroline is trying redeem herself on her blog when she talks about S4 Caroline, but she still is a bully even when she isn’t yelling. I couldn’t beleive how she was talking over Jac, in regard to a question that Andy asked Jac.

    Rosie also needs to take a chill pill, it seems like all season she is stomping around trying to intimidate people (remember she going after Joleen?) and now she is threatening to kill people.

  14. Rebecca says:

    NMD,

    You deserve a friggin raise for recapping that 60 minutes of hell. It was like listening to cats in heat in a cage whine and scream. Make it stop, make it stop!

  15. Powell says:

    Good morning everyone. It was 53 degrees when I left the house this morn & you know I am not happy. Bye, bye summer. See you next year. I know. I’m crazy. ;-). I’m not as crazy as that freakfest last night. Those ladies are CRAZY!!!!!! You all have a great day. 🙂

    • Rebecca says:

      I will trade you a couple of hundred degree days for your autumn cool. We’re still at ludicrous heat levels here.

    • LA_Debra says:

      I’ll trade ya! it’s going to be 103 here today and hotter tomorrow.

      I’m still shell shocked from last night. I couldn’t turn away. This is just my opinion, but if Tre will sit with an absolutely straight face and say she writes her bog, she will lie about everything. I’m done with her. From now on when her mouth is moving I’m hitting the FF, she has moved into JZ territory.

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        Her publicist probably writes her blog if not delegates it to a snarky assistant. Loved the challenge by Lauren on spelling NAPALM. She couldn’t spell or give the meaning.

        Years ago two guys were arguing at a party. One gay the other a dislexic straight guy. The gay guy was reading the straight one to filth and then told him to spell stupid, the straight guy goes ” F A G G O…” and the crowd went wild!

        Maybe if Tre had spelled “F A T” it would’ve stopped the questioning. LOL

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      I miss summer already!! I hate fall and winter. lol

  16. ladyballs says:

    tre is CUKOO CUKOO CUKOO (finger pointing and going round and round ear with wind blowing my hair.)

  17. ladyballs says:

    out of the few people commenting here so far today, i’m sensing a more balanced view of the ladies.

    is that a fair assessment?

  18. Happy First day of the week and the first day of a new month !!! YEA !!!
    I did not watch HWS last night…. I watched REVENGE and 666 Park Ave,,which sorta reminds me of the movie with kenau reeves , The Devils Advocate…Not sure whether I liked it or not..i’ll give it another shot next Sunday…

    About Jac and Nicholas… I have this feeling that Nic is not autistic…I am wondering if in all that confusion of ashley and cameras and other BS he just regressed into himself because no one was really paying attention to him and guiding him in those all so important first years….
    I had a brother who was mentally retarded ( deceased now ) My mother refused to use the word “challenged ” …. I remember listening to my parents talking in their bedroom about how Drs wanted to put him in an institution in Omaha… and they would not have anything to do with that. Listening to my Mother cry broke my heart… So all us kids got together and decided to let Mom and Dad know we would help them with Robert. We were never going to let anyone take him from us EVER…he was our brother… and as luck and lots of love would have it , Robert turned out to be a productive member of society , held a job , LOVED politics , Ronald Reagan and gospel music… it wasn’t always peaches and cream BUT as a family we came together and worked for a common goal…maybe jac and family should do the same… Give up the bright lights of Tv fame and fortune and concentrate on FAMILY and their children…. jmho as always

    hugs and peace
    Diva

    • disgrazia4 says:

      That is exactly what I was thinking Diva. But I wonder if Jac could actually do it. She seems very attached to the spotlight. So much time on the computer steals away your day. We all know how that can happen.

    • BB says:

      Diva, I watched 666 Park Avenue and don’t know whether I like it or not either. I was a little disappointed.

    • Zoey says:

      Wow, Diva, that’s awesome to hear. Kudooz to you and your family!

    • NightLight95 says:

      I totally agree! Jax is a bad mother! and Nicholas regressed its because Jax was too busy fighting with Tre. DISGUSTING. He never had a chance.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        NightLight: I am not a fan of Jacqueline or her parenting, but I don’t think it’s her fault that he regressed. There is no way anyone could know that. Her heart is in the right place, she just needs to follow it with her daily actions. (staying off of twitter, or at least not tweeting about Teresa)

      • NightLight95 says:

        I am standing by my comment: Jax is a bad mother.

      • Tracyshea says:

        Not fair, at all! Autism is not caused by parenting. Also, all kids have a chance and he is blessed to have two parents that love him. Very disturbed by your comment, NightLight95

        • NightLight95 says:

          Please point to where I said Jax gave her son autism. I said she is a bad mother. Who the hell fights over anything when your child is sick, unless its to get him medical attention. Last I saw Tre was not the cure for autistm, so that why f@ck is Jax fighter Tre? Jax is a bad mother and 100% of efforts should be ensuring that Nicholas gets attention, therapy etc. Jax is a bad mother! I don’t care for any of the other women they are all demented as far as I am concerned, but Jax has serious issues that she is not dealing with so she fights, drinks or ships away.

          • stellastars21 says:

            I think this part of your post may be causing the casino or confusion or whatever:
            “Jax is a bad mother! and Nicholas regressed its because Jax was too busy fighting with Tre. DISGUSTING. He never had a chance.”
            I think people are thinking that since you said his regression is due to Jax’s bad parenting and fighting with Teresa, and regression is a sign or symptom of autism, you were saying that. You may not have meant it but that is how what you wrote comes across. I don’t know much about autism but based on what I’ve read here some people see the regression then go to a doctor to find out the cause and it can be due to autism.

    • missusmc says:

      I have 2 children with autism. Both were developing typically and regressed in their 2nd year. Regression is very common in children with autism. They are twins, and because of that, I took extra care to read to them for hours daily, engage them in play, have family and friends involved so they can have one on one time, and make sure they had every opportunity to not fall behind due to not having that individualized attention. I am an excellent mother (if I may so humbly say), and my children still have autism.

      When I hear and read people blaming the mother for her child having autism due to a lack of compassion/love/parenting know-how/whatever the case may be, it breaks my heart. Autism is a horrible condition. It steals away moments and milestones during those ever important first years of life. It leaves those who love the child with autism feeling sadness, heartache, and hurt. Please do not add guilt to the multitude of overwhelming emotions that a mother feels for her child. Once your child is diagnosed, your entire life changes, and it affects everything. My life is now dictated by the boys’ schedule of therapy, doctors’ appointments, nutritional needs, etc. It can be isolating, financially devastating, and lonely.

      This entire Real Housewives series is entertainment, and the players are often rude, vile, and hateful. It is OK to react to what you see on TV, and obviously, given the popularity of this and other blogs, people want to react. But please, please, please, do not blame Jac for Nicholas having autism. When you do, you hurt an entire community of mothers aching to help their special needs children.

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        (HUG)

        • MamaZ says:

          You are a dedicated, loving mother. Having a special needs child can be heartbreaking and overwhelming. It is a lot of work. As in all difficult situations some people rise to the challenge, others do not. I don’t think anyone is blaming Jaq for Nicholas being autistic. I do know that a lot of people wish she would spend more time working with him than on Twitter.
          I’m not questioning her parenting skills based on Nicholas. I base it on her interaction with Ashley. With all the problems they were having airing them on an entertainment program was counterproductive and not in Ashley’s best interest. I found it to be exploitative and is the reason I began to dislike Jaq.
          I wish Nicholas nothing but the best. I honestly wish Jaq would see a therapist because it doesn’t seem like she has come to terms with his diagnosis. And for all I know she is doing that.

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        I wanted to say, I don’t think it’s fair to blame Jac for her son being autistic or that he regressed. But I do think there was a lot of denial and complacency on the behalf of Jac and Chris that prevented Nic from getting help sooner.

        I also know how you feel about how dx like that can start to take control of everyone’s life ( I am also at a pediatric therapy clinic 4 times a week). Which makes me feel how manic Jac is one twitter, she will come off the rails talking about Teresa and posting text messages from her and 3 minutes later she will say she is spending the day researching autism. Jac is VERY easily distracted and often projects. I think that is what people mean when they wonder if this hinders Nic.

        • MamaZ says:

          I have a niece with Cerebral Palsy. My sister didn’t spend the day researching CP. She made contact with organizations and doctors who could teach her to help her child live up to her full potential. She has some use of her legs but often is in a wheelchair because CP is often painful. Early intervention is so important not only with CP but autism as well. If my sister and her husband had not been proactive she would probably not be able to walk at all.
          My point is when you have a special needs child you need to be proactive. Research alone is a luxery you can no longer afford.

          • rabblerouser2010R says:

            I think Jac could find the comfort she seems to be looking for in the autism community on line or elsewhere if she wasn’t so fueled by resentments.

            • PJ says:

              She at least needs to put the energy she spends tweeting about Teresa into caring for her son, he needs her.

            • Lady Chatterley says:

              There’s a really great autism support community out there – I hope that she’s taking part in it. Lots of good information out there about treatment, support, resources. She could do a lot for public education.

        • RR.. thank you for your post..i did not mean to imply by my post that I was blaming Jac for Nic’s condition. My PITA was born with a cleft palate along with other medical conditions and he became my TOTAL focus to see to his medical needs. he had his first repair at 12 weeks. His last surgery was when he was 4 and they took part of his hip to make the roof of his mouth. And i cant tell you how much time we spent with him TALKING to him and working with speech therapists so he would not have that typical lisp .. It was alot of hard work and many sleepless nights and lots of tears.But we forged ahead… and he turned out quite well.. the surgeons were FANTASTIC and did beautiful work…
          I am pretty sure that jac could have bowed out of filming w/o any repercussions from Bravo to attend to Nic and his needs… In my opinion , and my opinion only, I felt she has let Nic down by continuing to film and allowing all that confusion to be around him..I pray for the best care possible for the Laurita family and hope that Jac remembers …FAMILY FIRST….

          hugs and peace
          Diva

          • missusmc says:

            Thank you for clarifying… obviously this is a sensitive subject for me 🙂 I would like to add that we don’t know WHAT Jacqueline is or isn’t doing. In many states, it can take months to start early intervention services (because, unfortunately, most states can’t keep up with the sheer amount of need these days), and to get into any specialist to obtain an official diagnosis can take anywhere from 6 months to a year. Start to finish, it took around 8 months for us to get an official diagnosis, which is needed to start any ABA therapy program (which is what Nicholas is participating in). Also, ABA therapy is intensive, 1:1 therapy for about 40 hours a week, and usually involves no participation from anyone other than the therapist. The beginning months usually are also a transitional time for the child, and he or she may need to have “alone time” after the therapy sessions, because they are intense. I’m rambling, I know, but I guess I just want to say that some of the things that we are criticizing Jacqueline for are out of her hands, and a little unfair, and really, she’s displayed other horrible behaviors that we could just as easily criticize her for that don’t touch on her son. Frankly, I’m a little annoyed that she’s allowed to be a voice for mother’s of Autism, but I suppose random people like me are a little less interesting to listen to 🙂

            • rabblerouser2010R says:

              I don’t think Nic is getting 40 hours of ABA a week (based on what how jac described his program in People ). I think he is in a special day class 5 times at week and gets some ABA therapy at home. But I sense that it’s only a few hours. My friends son who has DS only gets 2 hours per week. My daughter was only offered 6 per week , when she was still in EI (in a group setting) which I declined because they would have taken away her other services (which I found out is illegal). She also didn’t say anything about him getting speech therapy through private insurance. If the only speech services he is getting is through the school (now that he is 3+) it has to be very, very limited. My daughter only qualifies for 30 x2 per week in a group. Thank God, I have private insurance for additional services (the co-pays for my two girls therapy is expensive though (($180 per week- and they discounted it for us).

      • Lady Chatterley says:

        Thanks for your comment, MissU. I agree – Jac’s not to blame for her son’s struggles. God bless her – I count my blessings that I didn’t have her struggles (I know we all bear our own crosses). I wish her the best – I can see that she’s doing all that she can for her little one.

      • Mary E says:

        I would never blame her for the autism, but I do think Jac and her lifestyle do not help her son. Who would put this on a magazine cover???????

      • trudie says:

        (((missusmc))) Blessings to you and yours.

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        (((missusmc)))

      • NightLight95 says:

        missusmc, my heart goes out to you and I wont pretend to even understand autism and the depth of your pain as a mother. Having said that, I (only speak for myself and no one else on this board) did not say Jax gave her son autism but if she wanted a story on RH that should of been it, not her fight with Tre. Jax was not shy to sell out her daughter for a story line, I would think bringing awareness to autism would of been worth it.

      • Boobah says:

        (((missusmc)))

    • ladyballs says:

      jaq’s children have a roof over their heads, food on the table, shoes on their feet, a large family that love each other, education and stable parents.

      jaq is a human. she may be emotional, she may not be an expert at assessing a given situation and resolving it but neither of those “faults” add up to evil.

      all of our mothers had faults and all of us who are parents have made mistakes.

      some of the comments posted here are repugnant.

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        Sorry, but I feel if Jac is putting herself out there as a voice for autism some of her choices will be the subject of debate, especially in the community. Jenny McCarthy gets criticized all the time, so I don’t know why Jac should get the hands off approach.

        • ladyballs says:

          if jenny mccarthy was called a bad mother and her work may be the reason her son regressed, i was say that comment about jenny was repugnant.

          • rabblerouser2010R says:

            Jenny gets called a lot of things.
            As to the comments here, some people have already clarified that that when they talk about Jac’s parenting, they are speaking about what we have witnessed on the show with Ashley. Diva also clarified what she meant when she talked about regression.

            • ladyballs says:

              i want to be clear. calling someone a bad mother who provides for her children all the things i listed above is– at the very least– erroneous.

              saying a mother who provides all of that caused her child with autism to regress is repugnant and ignorant.

              ashley is not and was not an abused child.

              words have meaning.

              • rabblerouser2010R says:

                Let me be clear, I NEVER accused Jac of causing Nic’s regression but unless she gets her shit together, she could hinder his development.

                I think there is far more to parenting that just providing necessities of life.

                As for the family dynamics you have pointed out, not everyone sees what you do.

                This is what I see.

                A large family that love each other? I am sure there is love in the family, there are also many siblings who are not speaking to each other at least on the Laurita side. Ashley barely finished highschool and had to go to an alternative school to graduate. Ashely was the product of divorce. Ashley was kicked out of the ‘family home’ because of the chaos she caused. Ashley’s mother and step father LIED on federal bankruptcy form and possibly face the same consequences that Joe and Teresa did/do. Ashley’s mother is an unstable wreck.

                It is absolutely repugnant to me that she would lash out at Teresa about ‘strippergate’ and not only bring her child into the discussion but also toss in for good measure that he has autism. Yes, you are right…words do have meaning.

                • ladyballs says:

                  why do you think i was referring to you?

                  • rabblerouser2010R says:

                    To be quite honest, I am not all together sure who it was you were referring to. It could have been an individual or a collective.

                    I had already stated in another post (I am not sure if you had seen it or not) that I don’t think it’s fair to say Jac ’caused’ her son’s regression ; but I do think she needs absolutely accountable in making sure her son reaches his full potential (as true for ALL parents) which is why I felt I needed to make myself clear.

                    She needs to be strong and focused to be a good advocate for her son but I don’t see a strong and focused woman in her. The next 2 years will be CRITICAL for Nic, odds are that if he does not qualify for a general add kindergarten (with or without some accommodations) chances are he will be in special ed for the rest of his academic career. If I were her, I wouldn’t be pissing time away writing 9 pages blogs about Teresa, going on twitter rampages about Teresa, followed by FB rants and sending countless texts.

              • MamaZ says:

                Who said Ashley was abused? I don’t think she was abused.. But I think her parents putting her problems on air was not in her best interest. Having the storyline was in Jaq’s best interest.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      (((Diva))). That is such a sweet story. Having a special needs brother myself who will never be able to live on his own independently and who will become the responsibility of myself and my other brother once my parents pass, I totally relate.

      I also commend you and the rest of your family.

      And I agree with you that it might be best for Jac and Nicholas and their family if Jac steps away from the cameras. However, I fear that Jac, because of her and Chris’ financial situation, may be stuck in the same rock and a hard place as Teresa is. They may need the money to support themselves and Nicholas and to provide him with the services and help that he needs. I now think Jac is NUTS and does have a bit of addiction to the spotlight (but don’t they all?), but I must force myself to be fair and take that into consideration (even though I do not WANT to do so. *Shrug*. I am human, after all).

    • Boobah says:

      (((Diva)))

  19. disgrazia4 says:

    Well, I ended up watching some parts and I won’t be looking to catch any further escapades of NJ. NMD, you forgot to poll for the question, Did your Opinion of Bravo and Andy get Better or Worse? I’d love to know how people would answer that one. Thanks for the recap Stars and NMD, you rock!

  20. Lady Chatterley says:

    Great job w/the Reunion Recap, Stars – I know that wasn’t easy.

    Here’s how I would have recapped it: “Screeeeeccccchhhhh….BAM!!! Sickening grind of metal crushing metal…structure tearing, collapsing on itself…..rolling over, BOOM! Eerie silence, smoke everywhere, moans of survivors, and the retching and utter shock of those who witnessed the horror.”

    Sorry, I know that was graphic….

    Why does Bravo do this to us?

  21. rabblerouser2010R says:

    Boston’s picture of Lauren talking about being a HW followed by “My mother says” has been having me smirking on morning. I will be walking around all day with this smirk on my face and people will think it’s because I am doing kegels and that I think nobody knows.

  22. AZGirl says:

    I turned it off before Kathy started in on the rant. I just could not take it anymore. Obviously, Kathy’s true colors came out last night.
    Lauren had absolutely NO BUSINESS being on the couch. Lauren needs to check it before she wrecks it. She is bitter and unfortunately the lap band is is not working. I am glad I missed Rosie’s rant. They all have said horrible things about Teresa and Joey’s parents and this kills me. The parents have no venue to respond to the horrible things said. They are stuck in the middle and should be off limits. Rosie’s rant was over the top.
    Teresa is no saint and she needs to own up to what she says.
    Jaq needs help. She is a mess. Needy and weak. That is why she is so attached to Caroline now. Caroline’s kids are grown and gone and needs someone to control. Ashley is better off in California away from Jaq.
    I am so done with this.

    • MamaZ says:

      Somebody please tweet Lauren that she wasn’t ugly because she was fat but because she is a foulmouthed brat with an terrible attitude. Like mother like daughter.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        I wonder if Lauren was the there because the boys wouldn’t do their mother’s dirty work?

    • contessa says:

      Hi AZ, I am a bit more pro Tre in some of this, however I agree they all came off badly last night. It was a train wreck. To see grown women act this way is awful. Parents are off limits and Kathy knew this would make Tre nuts!

  23. Birdwoman says:

    A couple of thoughts:
    1. Birdwoman thinks that Caroline Manzo should stop referring to herself in the third person. She sounds completely ridiculous!
    2. Jacq. so what if Teresa is talking about you behind your back. You never talked about her behind her back, or bash her incessantly on twitter. Guess what! I am actually considered a nice person by most people I know and even I would talk about your craziness with mutual friends. That does not make me evil! or maybe it does..LOL!
    3. Melissa and Teresa: Guess what, you don’t have to like or love each other to be in the same family. You can tolerate each other and be civil toward each other. Look, I couldn’t stand my ex-sister-in-law either, never loved her but I was civil and polite. 🙂

    In response to the blog being one sided; I feel that all view points a represented. There were many times I did not agree with the majority of opinions on this site or even Lynns opinion but I always felt that opposing view points are welcome. Yes, it sometimes gets heated but I guess that happens when you have a bunch of opinionated people. 🙂

    • BB says:

      ITA Birdwoman. No matter what housewife show is discussed, this blog has always leaned to one side or the other, whether Lynn is here and not. For New York, it was pro-Bethenny, anti-Jill. For New Jersey, it was anti-Teresa, pro Caroline the first two seasons, then it switched. For OC, it was anti-Alexis. For BH, it was anti Camille season 1, anti-Taylor season 2. I don’t see a difference now The only difference I see is that, as far a NJ goes, Lynn tended to side with the pro-Manzo/Laurita/Gorga’s rather than the Guidices. I had no problem with that whatsoever because she allowed those who leaned pro-guidice have their voice. I think that may be why those who lean the way Lynn leaned as far as NJ goes think the blog has changed. It really hasn’t. JMHO.

      • Mary E says:

        Thanks, BB. I agree, blog does lean one direction, we all do. I couldn’t stand Jill, but I was no/am no fan of Bethenny (or Alex) either, never liked Melissa, still don’t, always like Tre, but I have never felt uncomfortable here. That’s life. Discussion.

  24. PJ says:

    Without Teresa none of these women has one interesting thing to say.

    This is my opinion of the bloodbath/reunion so far: I feel Kathy and Rosie are both crazy. I knew I didn’t like Kathy, I thought she was fake, but now I see exactly what my instincts were telling me. Kathy can trash both Teresa’s Mother and Father and in a very vile way but let Teresa even mention Kathy’s father and all hell breaks loose. What a piece of trash and a disgrace. I wouldn’t buy anything Kathy sells. I think Rosie is violent and disturbing. I have no interest in either Kathy or Rosie. Kathy sitting there with that nasty hateful look on her face the entire time, yuck.

    Lauren if you are going to call someone on something make sure you actually know what you are talking about. Learn how to spell. Lauren made a complete fool of herself. I have no interest in Lauren. Bringing Teresa’s children into this was terrible.

    Melissa defends Caroline but remains silent while Kathy trashes the grandparents of her and Joey’s children. I think that pretty much says who Melissa is. I think Melissa is a fake and not in the least bit interesting. I think everything Teresa feels about Melissa is true.

    Caroline is a bully and sorry if people don’t like comments about peoples looks but everything Teresa said about her looks is true. I not only am not interested in Caroline but will never watch her again ever! To lecture Teresa about her 15 minutes while she is herself riding her own 15 minutes, come on.

    Jacqueline I just don’t like her or believe one word she says about anything. I think Jacqueline is off balance, has way too much time on her hands, is obsessed with Teresa, and full of hatred. There is no way Teresa and Jacqueline were friends for all those years and Teresa was a horrible person, no way. In earlier blogs Jac says Teresa rarely talked about her family now she trashed them all the time. Jac wants us to believe that while she was friends with Teresa for 10 to 15 years Teresa rarely talked about Melissa and Joey but suddenly she talked all about them. I don’t buy it like all the other things Jac says i don’t buy it. Jac always has proof that never materializes, give me a break. Now she had a friend at the B-Day party who saw an assault of Melissa, oh please. Everyone else says it never happened but Jac knows what happened even though she wasn’t there. I’m sorry nice try Jac but if that had really happened Melissa would have used that to get more press long before now. Joey would have had a melt down, caused a scene and on and on. I don’t believe you Jac, sorry. I fully believe that Jacqueline was in on the setup and it was a set up of Teresa. I also do not believe either Jac or Melissa about Teresa talking about Jac while they were in Napa.

    Sorry to all the rabid Teresa haters but the only person who I liked on part one of the reunion was Teresa. These women have to gang up on Teresa because they have nothing else of any interest to say. Teresa is right yellow fang can say all the hateful things about her he wants to say and that’s OK but let her say anything and these women are all over her. I’m sure that as Caroline and Jac sat there they though they were being clever whispering while Teresa was trying to talk but they only looked foolish and hateful. These women all proved the points Teresa has made about them. They have all sold out their families or friendships and their dignity for a pocketful of silver. As I watched all I could think was please shut up.

    Watching this was actually very stressful. There are no fun lighthearted moments. Just hateful nasty people pointing fingers and trying to look innocent when they are not innocent. Pretending to be nice and sweet when they are neither nice nor sweet. Pretending they ever wanted to reunite their husband with his sister when they never wanted that. Pretending, pretending, pretending. I don’t like these people, I don’t want to watch these people, I don’t want to know these people, I don’t want to listen to their music, buy their cannoli kits, read the book they just signed a deal for, follow them on twitter rants, read their blogs even if they write them themselves (except I do like reading Teresa’s blog–I don’t care who writes it), watch their daughter spell words wrong or call people names, lecture or educate people, pretend they care, I could go on.

  25. klmh says:

    OMG NMD, that was so much fun to read! Great job, and you picked up some words and phrases things I couldn’t. “Holy crap on a cracker!” LOL

  26. ladyballs says:

    andy to tre: “do you write your own blog?”
    tre: “yes”

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      aka “My ghost writer tells me what to say and I type it “

      • Lady Chatterley says:

        More like: “I tell my ghost writer what I want to say and he/she types it (intelligibly).”

        • rabblerouser2010R says:

          Either way, Teresa has convinced herself that the blogs are hers.
          That’s what kills me about these women, it’s not necessary the accusations about them that bothers me, it’s the denials.

          • Lady Chatterley says:

            With a straight face, even!

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            But why are they so ANGRY at Teresa for choosing to convince herself of things and choosing to be in denial about certain things??

            I mean, you’d think they could all sympathize with her as they do the SAME thing about certain aspects of their own lives:

            Melissa, with a straight face, says that she can actually SING. She has also convinced herself that she has what it TRULY takes to be a singing sensation that will rake in the big bucks at 33 or 34 years of age with 3 children (and no real talent in that arena). She truly believes it. DENIAL.

            Kathy, with a straight face, actually believes that she has never done ANYthing to try to hurt Teresa and has only always wanted the absolute best for Teresa and wishes her nothing but success. Kathy also believes that ol’ Rich is a real CHARMER that is SEXY (when he is just as offensive and repugnant as she declares Joe Giudice to be. And Joe Giudice is NOT sexy, but he IS sexier than Richie Wakile. Sorry). DENIAL.

            Caroline has convinced herself that Dina (and certain other siblings) all want nothing to do with her because of TERESA’s machinations and interference (and not because she is an OVERBEARING, CONTROLLING, JUDGMENTAL, NEGATIVE, TOXIC SHREW!!!). She has also convinced herself that each and every one of her ADULT children has INDEPENDENTLY pulled themselves up from their OWN bootstraps to become raving SUCCESSES!! DENIAL.

            Jac has convinced herself that she is actually being PRODUCTIVE and HELPING Nicholas by tweeting for HOURS every single day for MONTHS AND MONTHS about TERESA. She has also managed to convince herself that she tries to help SOLVE people’s conflicts (as opposed to somehow mysteriously being somehow involved in several conflicts, since Season 1, that have absolutely NOTHING to do with her. In short, she just does NOT know how to mind her own damned business when she has MORE THAN ENOUGH to mind!!). She has ALSO convinced herself that she was a PERFECT friend to Teresa who did not participate in SELLING Teresa OUT AT ALL. Judas, oops, I mean, Jac, HONESTLY believes all of this. DENIAL.

            And let me throw in a little “lagniappe” for Lauren, even though she is not even a Housewife. Lauren has convinced herself that nobody wanted to take her to the prom because she was overweight. In reality, there is a very high likelihood, that no one wanted to take Lauren to the prom because she is a JR. BITTER BETTY BAR BITCH (just like her dear ol’ Mom). DENIAL.

            Let them all live in their own fantasy lands and lands of denial. I just want them all to leave each other the hell alone (because their interactions have become SICKENING to watch).

    • BB says:

      ladyballs. Back in the olden days, I was a stenographer. My boss would “dictate” letters and memos to me, not verbatim, but pretty much what he wanted them to convey. Now, were those letters and memos MINE because I formulated the thoughts and put them to paper, or were those letters and memos HIS because it was his signature at the bottom? That’s Teresa’s interpretation of the blogs being hers.

      • trudie says:

        Agreed. I am an editor by profession and I take what is given to me and make it “pretty.” I don’t get any kind of attribution whatsoever. All I get is a paycheck.

      • ladyballs says:

        did you ever add the word “napalm” to his memos?

      • The Tin Man says:

        Did you ever use words that your boss didn’t know the meaning of in those memos? Did you ever formulate an analogy for your boss and include it in a letter? Did your boss ever deny your existence?

        • BB says:

          No to the first. Maybe to the second. As to the third, nobody ever questioned my boss on the authenticity of his memos.

      • PJ says:

        Excellent point BB.

    • Orson says:

      Just for the record, I don’t have “people” to ghostwrite my posts here. I have people who have people of their own who ghostwrite my posts here.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        and I do a damned good job of it, if should say so myself. (except for the lack of captialization, bad spelling, run on sentences, overall bad grammar)

      • ladyballs says:

        andy: “do you write your own blog?”
        orson: “yes”

  27. Three Blessed says:

    Wow, Kathy’s true colors came out last night!

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      “Yes, the lunatic came out”

    • ladyballs says:

      andy to kathy: “did you mean to insult teresa at the book signing?”

      kathy: “no, i went to support her.”

      tre: “you’re so disgusting….you’re a piece of sh*t…omg, you are disgusting.”

      • Thank you for bringing that up my c-head Lady!! T provoked K. I’m not saying Kathy’s reaction was right but can we PLEASE admit that Teresa’s reaction was COMPLETELY out of proportion with Kathy’s prior statement? This is one of my biggest problems with Teresa. She provokes people and gets them to act bat sh*t crazy and then turns around and acts defensive as though she was hurt….where is the accountability?

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        I think Tre’s anger with Kathy is she feels Kat is encroaching on her cooking schtick. She feels most threatened by Kat as she’s proven herself to be a gourmet cook with international dishes and beautiful desserts.

        • BB says:

          I disagree. How has Kat proven herself? So far, all I’ve seen is pretty desserts on tv that friends and family have ooohed and ahhed over. I have people come to my Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners and oooh and ahhh over my cooking too and I don’t do anything that special. Let see if she can make it to the big time with her cannoli kit. I can follow recipes from a cookbook and make beautiful deserts. Most people can. I wish her luck. I hope she doesn’t take that creep of a husband of hers with her when she goes on QVC or HSN or wherever she’s going to sell her kits.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            This is her shot. This is precisely why she came on this show; to get a shot at the big time. Good luck with that, KuzzinKathy.

          • MamaZ says:

            I just can’t take her seriously since she made the statement that “Most women are afraid of vegetables”.

        • RealHousewifeVA says:

          No I think because she feels Kathy betrayed her.

        • PJ says:

          Please let me be first in line to buy a cannoli kit. Making something from a kit does not make you a great cook, I would never buy a mix or a kit, yuck!!!!!

          I think Kathy showed herself for what she really is last night and that is the reason Teresa doesn’t like her.

      • The Tin Man says:

        Tre (or Tree, not to be confused with an actual tree or an actual tree lover, btw, NJB) heard Jac use the word disgusting in one of those talking heads and so she figured she could use it too, just like she can sing like Melissa does. Tree (tre) doesn’t seem to have any original thoughts of her own. Caroline calls her crazy and tree says “no, you’re crazy.” Jac says tree set Mel up and tree says no, you set me up. Monkey see, monkey do, or in this case, monkey hear, monkey repeat. My apologies to monkeys everywhere.

      • Cartwheels says:

        Kathy was disgusting and a POS
        Kathy went to that book signing with the explicit idea to poke at Teresa and made her look bad, period.
        I had my doubts about it and thought that maybe Teresa was to sensitive and Kathy didn’t mean it that way but after the behavior that Kathy displayed on the reunion I have no doubt that she meant for the viewers to know that Teresa or Teresa’s mom had stolen those recipes from her mom.
        Another moment of clarity? Kathy absolutely meant to stir the pot when she brought Caroline’s name during the Napa trip.
        That is why Teresa called her out on it, she knows Kathy’s passive aggresive moves and can spot them from a mile.

      • PJ says:

        Yes because Kathy was LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  28. LaineyLainey says:

    Stars has anyone mentioned this: ” ohholynightthestarsarebrigthlyshining” loved it. I tried to use it already (verbally) but I stuttered. fail.

  29. WindyCityWondering says:

    So Andy and Teresa are definately running this goat rodeo massacre. Their goal is to let the others show their true colors. There were traps set and bombs going off all the way around. And the case to not bring some of them back is being built.
    IMO – Teresa has nothing to take accountability for as they continue to throw off camera crap at her – what about their accountability? In my world, an ex friend is not talked about and I never share anything we talked about regarding our families, our children or other friends. The Manzo/Lauritas are specialists at hitting below the belt and putting out information that should be private – the damage is done by inference and innuendo. Jac and her imaginary friends need to go away and swearing on her child was the lowest of attention grabbing sickness. Kathy and Melissa have no loyalty or respect for their families and don’t deserve to play the family card for themselves. Kathy got a new nose, fatty lips and Richie got chicklet veneers – too bad they didn’t spend that Bravo money on Victoria’s college of choice cause it wasn’t likely one where she commutes to school or paying the dude who takes care of their lawn.
    First Reunion Round goes to Teresa. Personally, if someone said I was whoring out my child, my mom was a fucking liar (twice) and my dad was a coward….there would be a full blown fight and dirty little secrets flying right back – cause the gauntlet was thrown. I loved how Teresa didn’t give Melissa the time of day. The editing was one of Teresa being juvenile and superficial but the others all got a taste of their own treachery. Lapbands, tummy tucks, unemployed adult children – oh my! Bankruptsy for Dummies, listening at RV windows, violent rantings from Rosie and trashing the parents – everyone gets to drink the bitter bile of fame.

    • MamaZ says:

      Windy – I agree about things said in confidence.I know a secret about my ex, the man who stalked and abused me that I have never told a soul. Not even my husband.
      I also know things about an ex friend that could have destroyed her marriage. I have kept my mouth shut. I will go to my grave with these secrets. They were told to me by people who trusted me. I am proud to be trustworthy.
      Jaq lacks integrity so to me she also lacks credibilty. I wouldn’t trust for for the time of day.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      Teresa had to answer to all this stuff since last year, so it’s all old news by now. Who cares if she talked about her sister-in-law to her best friend? If that’s the mark of an evil, scummy person than stick a pair of horns on my head because I can’t recall how many times I’ve b*tched about my psycho sis in law to my best friend! lol

      • lori says:

        I was thinking the same thing. I complain about my MIL to my very close friends because it’s an outlet. If I wasn’t allowed to vent in that way it would be a heck of a lot harder to deal with my MIL day to day.

    • Cartwheels says:

      We watched the same show 😉

      All of the ladies were bad, but Teresa in my eyes was the least offensive, she reacted to what was thrown at her, and it was about time.

    • PJ says:

      I agree I would never reveal the secrets of those who were my former friends. My best friend in middle school had some secrets that were pretty bad, we stopped being friends when she betrayed me, but to this day I have never told anyone her secrets except for my husband (and that was a few years ago).

  30. Sasha says:

    I thought Melissa looked beautiful last night and she was the most well behaved. I give her a gold star.

    I don’t think Jacqueline is crazy. She is just an emotional person and wears her heart on her sleeve. It’s just best that she should not be in the public eye and have limited access to the internet. I do believe that all the extra information that she tossed out about Teresa was totally true.

    I guess I have to get used to Kathy’s new look.

    Teresa threw most of the low blows last night. I did find it funny that she really had no emotion on the subject of Nicholas. She and Jac were friends for years and not even an eye dab or empathy.

    I have never seen Caroline as a bully and I probably never will. I get where she is coming from.

    I guess I don’t get the uproar, the hate and the name calling. We get to see their dysfunction because they are on tv. There just seems to be a lot of gossiping and talking about the next one. I don’t see anyone out to actually destroy a person’s life. That is unless we find out who is really behind Strippergate.

    • ladyballs says:

      i concur with all of the above.

    • PJ says:

      I guess we watch different shows.

    • Lady Chatterley says:

      Agree, Sasha.

      Melissa looked great, kept her cool, and managed to stay relatively classy while the other girls lost it around her.

      Kathy’s look – I can’t look at her. Why’d she do that? She was fine before. Now, she looks distorted.

      I don’t have a problem w/Caroline – she has an opinion and she puts it out there. It’s the reason she’s on the show. Strong personalities don’t bother me. Sneakiness and passive aggressiveness and lying…that bothers me.

      Jac – I’d like to see her get a grip on some of that emotionality. She does need to grow up – I hope for her little one’s sake that she’ll be more focused on his condition and getting appropriate services for him. That would be a great focus for her storyline.

      Teresa – good Lord – it’s like the woman has no soul. Only darkness within.

      • Well said Lady…..and to PJ, yes we’re watching the same show but all have different opinions….it makes for interesting conversation and probably wouldn’t be as successful if it didn’t create these polarizations!!

        • PJ says:

          It does bother me that if you defend Teresa and don’t like the other cast members you are making mean comments. But people who don’t like Teresa make really mean comments and all is good. It’s a double standard just like on the show.

      • lori says:

        What bothered me about Caroline is the way she stepped all over Jac’s replies. Jac is a big girl and can answer her own questions.

        Jaqueline needs to worry about her own issues and problems and forget about Teresa. We get it she wasn’t a good friend to you. But at the same time she’s not a good friend by revealing personal info from a former friend. Next episode it looks like she calls Joe G. out on cheating. Just not her business.

        Teresa disappointed me. She didn’t need to say the things she said about weight, looks, etc. Just wasn’t necessary and made her look bad imo.

        • Lady Chatterley says:

          Yes, on Caro – and Jac could say to her, “Caroline, let me respond, please.” It would assert that she is an adult and perfectly capable of speaking for herself. She, too often, acts like a child.

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        I will say this. Even though I do not like Melissa AT ALL, I have often admired the way she keeps her cool….

        …..the way many truly evil and sociopathic people do. It is actually quite FASCINATING to me. I mean, sociopaths barely flinch or even get emotional when lying, manipulating, twisting, and sometimes even actually injuring and killing people.

        What is even MORE fascinating is how they often show little or NO emotion when being CAUGHT.

        Because I can be passionate, emotional, and I am horrible at lying, I sometimes secretly admire people who can be so cool while weaving their webs of destruction and deceit.

        • dch60 says:

          Which is why Melissa reported that she has no problem sleeping at night. Of course she doesn’t, she has no conscience.

    • Winston says:

      If Teresa had started crying they all would have jumped all over her for fake tears or whatever BS they could come up with and told her it was not her moment or about her it was about Jac’s son.

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        I have been in a position similar to Teresa’s before when it came to a tragic, heartrending situation that happened to a former friend who, like Jac, once the friendship had ended, trashed me all over town and could not keep my name out of her mouth even though I never responded in kind.

        She, like Jac, went on this campaign of character assassination for MONTHS.

        Despite all of that, I truly felt for her and her subsequent hardship. If she would have been in front of me crying about it, I do not think I would have been tearful along with her, though. I would have felt sympathy for her, Sure. I would have had NO tears, however, because I would already be ALL OUT OF THEM (as I’d cried them over and over during her campaign).

        I had no more tears left to give.

        I did feel sorry for her in my heart, though. A person looking at me would have not known, it though. They could have very easily branded me cold and uncaring and only concerned about myself — when nothing could have been further from the truth. It would have been an unfair, overly simplistic, incorect JUDGMENT taken totally out of the context of the entirety of the situation between myself and my former friend (for whom I sincerely prayed once I learned of her hardship. I did not feel I owed her any more than that).

        • Chicago Diane says:

          Exactly what I have been thinking . Also, while I agree that Jac is both very emotional and burdened at the moment, it did feel like the amount of her emotion was as if it was brand new- while she has known this for well over a year. I saw nothing that encouraged me to interpret Melissa’s or Kathy’s tears/ eye dabs as anything but appropriate for the moment, as most of what they do is- what they think people expect, not who they really are. I have yet to believe a single thing Melissa has said or done since she arrived- it is all acting for the camera, with an agenda, as is Kathy. The only exception is when they are full of hostility for Teresa, or talking about their all-important – careers.

          • dch60 says:

            There were no tears from Melissa. A sad, twisted face, yes, but as you said, she is a very good actress. And she may have felt badly. Jac has done nothing bad to her at all, quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

  31. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    Im going to say I think Kathy-in normal circumstances-is probably a wonderful person. Reality TV has brought out the worst in her. I bet she never yells nasty things at people and I bet everyone who knows her loves her. I hope she doesn’t come back to this mess because it is ruining her. Same with Aviva-I think in real life she is probably very nice-but we dont see that. We only see their uglies and nasties.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      Yah I think this show turned Kathy ugly (not looks wise) and the fact that she felt so compelled to change her appearance so much just because she’s on TV is really sad to me. I thought she looked great before, especially in some of those TH’s when she was wearing the turquoise dress. SH has a screencap of her before and after, and it’s really sad to me what she’s done.

      Is it really worth it to sell a few cannoli kits? There are plenty of places that sell cannoli kits online if I really wanted one. lol

    • BB says:

      I think the opposite from you Jill. I think Kathy in normal circimstances is probably more how I heard she acted last night and I think Aviva really is the judgemental person she portrays. I may be wrong about Kathy, but I’m pretty sure I have Aviva’s number.

      • MamaZ says:

        I’m with you BB.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Me too. Kathy chose Caroline over her cousin from the first episode and never looked back.

      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        BB-Im not sure I believe what I said about Aviva either!!!
        I know someone who knows Kathy and they LOVE her.

        • MamaZ says:

          I’m sure many people love Kathy. Just as many people love Teresa. Elvira Grau said she wishes people could see the Teresa she knows. That she is one of the most giving, loving women she knows. Something like that.

          • RealHousewifeVA says:

            Dina said something similar. Caroline said the same thing for 2 seasons until Teresa got a book on the New York Times Bestseller list…I mean, until Teresa was so awful to her where we still are trying to read between those lines.

            • PJ says:

              That pretty much sums it up.

            • PJ says:

              Pretty much sums it up. Teresa went from sidekick to success and people didn’t like that.

              • I beg to differ. I couldn’t stand T from the very first season and my opinion of her has only deteriorated. I couldn’t stand the way she spoke to people and her outbursts/screaming/curising and her table flipping disgusted me. Then the next season was, and correct me if my timeline is wrong, when we discovered what a sham her and her family were perpetrating on hardworking American people. I do NOT have a problem with bankruptcy when needed, however I do have a problem with racking up $11 mil in debt (and please do not say that it was all bad real estate investments, I do recall there being PLENTY of credit card debt on the bankruptcy roll and last I checked, Neiman Marcus and Nordstrom do not sell groceries or other necessities). At that point, my tolerance for her, her lies, her atrocious behavior including borderline and actual assault on Andy Cohen and Danielle just continued my dislike for her. I would imagine that others share my sentiments, however it is possible others are jealous of her success at writing a cookbook using recipes that do not belong to her and that she did not create as well as bottling drinks that she as well did not create. To each his own I suppose.

                • PJ says:

                  I wasn’t actually talking about you or viewers of the show. I meant the other women on RHoNJ didn’t like it that Teresa went from sidekick to star of the show. It was supposed to be their show about their family with the zany sidekick along for the ride. When Teresa became more successful than the rest they didn’t like it.

                  • I think it’s possible that they might have developed the same feelings though seeing her behavior…..who knows…ultimately this needs to be the end of the 5 of them and this television show.

                    • PJ says:

                      I haven’t witnessed anything from Teresa that was worse than any of the others on this show, in fact I find the others to be much more objectionable. But we can agree that either this show should end or there should be major cast changes. These five people shouldn’t be in the same state much less the same show.

                • melthehound says:

                  You know, I really wish Teresa would have stabbed Andy in the neck with a pencil. Then people might have a legitimate reason for hating her for her ‘assault’ on him. Right or wrong, she was going after Danielle and he was dumb enough to get in the way. It Obviously didn’t bother him, she is still on the show. Any place else, an assault on the boss is an immediate bum rush out the door.

                  • I just do not take kindly to anyone who thinks it is ok to put their hands on someone else. It isn’t EVER justifiable but the problem is that there are shows that glorify fighting (i.e., Basketball wives, Jersey Shore) by showing that the people who engage in behavior like that are “cool” or “tough.” Well that’s never ok with me and one of my biggest problems with T and quite frankly Bravo for allowing what in the normal world would constitute assault, punishable by either fines or potential jail time but in Bravoland it’s acceptable.

                    • melthehound says:

                      Then I suggest you lump Andy into that same category because he put his hands on her, First.

          • Amber...Real Wife says:

            Sure Tre is great til she effs u over! Elvira’s testimony i’ll take with a grain of salt as she’s a business owner who needs to be in Tre’s favor.

      • Cartwheels says:

        I think Kathy and Melissa both are real life shrews, they just hide under the pontificating smile and the “peacemaker” act.
        But sometimes the masks slip , LOL 😀 😀

        • MamaZ says:

          Kathy’s mask didn’t slip last night. It was ripped off and stomped on! Rosie’s too.

          • Lady Chatterley says:

            Good analogy.

            You know, I’m a good person, I treat people well, I’m gracious and considerate of others.

            But, if someone disrespects me, publicly insults me, says degrading things about my husband often enough – eventually, I’m gonna get ugly.

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        I agree, BB. I think what we saw last night is more the “real” Kathy than the “Camera Kathy.” I am sure she can be very nice to SOME people.

        I don’t think those people include Teresa, though (and probably haven’t for a VERY long time).

      • dch60 says:

        Ditto

  32. RealHousewifeVA says:

    I didn’t watch the reunion but I read all the recaps. For me, this reunion format is just ridiculous now. It’s out of control. Just flying insults back and forth and they all look bad. I totally would have been interested if they really discussed the issues like adults, and tried to resolve some things. They don’t have to be best friends or best family, but it would have been nice to see them sit and address their issues with eachother like grown, mature adults and try to reach some sort of ‘agree to disagree’ type of closure. Instead, it’s all about who can say the meanest, most hurtful thing. “Your mom is a liar, your dad is a coward, my dad did more than your dad, your dress is ugly, your fat, your dumb…” Seriously? Is this how low we’ve sunk? I don’t plan on watching any 3 parts of this nonsense that Andy gets his kicks off of.

    • BB says:

      I agree. The Reunions are a big waste of time. If they resolved anything or clairified anything or we learned anything new of any relevance whatsoever, that would be one thing. But they don’t resolve or clarify anything and we don’t learn anything new except that some people are even more vile than we thought.

      • RealHousewifeVA says:

        Yup. And it sounds like all the same questions they’ve been answering on twitter, WWHL, interviews, magazines, etc. Nothing new except they were face to face to be extra ugly and nasty. .

    • Remember, way back when, the reunions were just one hour and just about catching up with what the women were doing since the end of the season? Then, one reunion went nuclear (don’t recall which one)…and Andy snapped his little manipulative fingers and said, oh, this is where we will go with this. Now, the reunions are 2/3 epi’s long and designed to bring out the nastiness. That’s why I no longer watch. Sigh, I miss those days, but they are loooong gone.

      • RealHousewifeVA says:

        Yes! The good old days where the women weren’t all trying to be the fan fave and have the most businesses. Where they all stayed friends or at least cordial and just updated us about their kids and going ons. I think it was Atlanta that changed the whole dynamic of things. I remember Tamra on WWHL once (or some interview) after Atlanta aired and she said something like now the OC has to step up their game. Then Jersey came… and it was all downhill from there.

      • BB says:

        That’s also why I no longer watch the reunions I couldn’t get past part 1 of the last New York reunion. I couldn’t get past part 1 of the last OC reunion. I didn’t even watch Atlanta and I didn’t watch NJ last night and won’t watch parts 2 and 3. Can’t decide whether I’m going to watch the next NY reunion or not. Probably not, but I would kind of like to see how the new girls handle it.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Remember the first OC “reunion”? Just the girls chatting by the pool, no host, no questions just them talking about the season?

        • Chicago Diane says:

          That was the era before Andy decided he could become a talk show host and star himself of the reunions-and when things fell out that added truth, perspective, some new info. When the women said some things that gave some insight into people. Now, they throw all the bombs they can throw during the season- there is nothing left but more negativity to attack with. Such a shame. Last night was a slug fest. Andy did nothing to slow the attack of four on one down- nor did he do anything to add maturity, or any common sense. Why wait a year? The season displayed nothing new either-all of S4 has been a waste of time. Nothing more of substance to hear/see, except more of the same- why would we just want to hear all the lies and attacks continue?

  33. MamaZ says:

    Not a single woman at that reunion was raised properly.

    Caroline – My mother would have taught her to keep her nose out of other people’s business. And washed her mouth out with soap.

    Jaq – My mother would have told her that what a person tells you in confidence should remain in confidence no matter how you feel about that person later.

    Teresa – My mom would have said if everyone dislikes you maybe there’s a reason. She also would have taught her not to take cheap shots at people just because they are taking them at you.

    Melissa – Yeah, my mom would have told her that girls who dress like strippers often get accused of being strippers. And she wouldn’t have let her out of the house in most of the clothes she wears.

    Kathy – The worst last night. My mother would have told her to NEVER speak ill of her elders. EVER. She would have slapped both Kathy and Rosie for the ugliness that they spewed and my mother rarely hit.

    Lauren – My mother would have told her to quit feeling so sorry for herself. And to skip the second helpings and get some exercise.

    • BB says:

      Your mom sounds like a smart woman.

      • MamaZ says:

        Thanks, she is. She’s 4’11” and tough as a box of nails. And she doesn’t suffer fools gladly.

    • RealHousewifeVA says:

      Holla at yo momma! (sorry had to do it, lol) But I totally agree with your mama!

      • MamaZ says:

        LOL
        She would also tell all of them to quit blaming other people for their unhappiness and failures.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          I think I would like YO MOMMA, MamaZ! 😀

          And not just because, if she were only a couple of inches shorter, she could qualify as a “little person.”

          She is 4’ll. I am 5 feet even. I can totally relate. (Short people DO got reasons to live, Dammit!! I don’t give a damn WHAT Randy Newman sang. One of my uncles used to sing that song [“Short People Got No Reason To Live”] constantly to me as a child. He thought he was being cute. Even as a child, I thought he was being an ASSHOLE and got in trouble for telling my Mother so. My MAMA did not believe in a child calling an ADULT an ASSHOLE — even if the adult WAS an ASSHOLE and even if the child called him that behind his BACK! *Shrug*).

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      I love your mother.

    • bea says:

      This is exactly how I feel about each of these “ladies”. They all behave like they were raised by wolves. Actually that’s proably an insult to wolves.

      I watched about 15 minutes and then couldn’t do any more. It’s still sitting on my DVR, but I don’t know that I’ll finish watching the reunion, it’s all just so ugly. I don’t think any of them should be proud of their behavior this season.

  34. Lawdy, lawdy, lawdy….is this what really happened?? My neck hurts from shaking my head. 😦
    They sound worse than a sandbox full of kindergartners. Starrs….what a great job you did with a recap that had to be written with all that verbal nonsense. So glad I do not watch!

    Annnnyway…happy happy, joy joy……:P
    (Does anyone know Ren & Stimpy? LOL! You will get the reference!)

    • LaineyLainey says:

      i love Ren and Stimpy!!! “Ren, I have a surprise for you!! It’s a happy helmet!!!”

      • I am soooo not surprised YOU would know them! LOL!!!! Love that! 🙂

        “Oh, Stimpy, it huuuurts!” and “Sniff, sniff, where are my crunchies?” (remember what those were?) Such good comic relief!! Good times!

  35. auntannmarie says:

    The whole show was a discusting spectacle. They all should be ashamed of themselves.
    Theresa came in with guns blaring. She says she doesn’t care about any of them they why even show up. She is guilty of Real Housewife Infamy. I have no doubt everything she’s accused of she’s done. Not taking responsibility makes her all the more infamous.
    The club consists of Tamra Barney, Nene Leakes, Jill Zarin, Aviva Dreschrr, teresa Guidice and Adrienne Maloof.
    For different reasons they are all the nucleus of their show. The mean girl gets the most attention. At the heart of it is $$ and if its not $$ it’s FAME!
    Bravo’s airing of NJ out of sequence, chopping dialogue to further a volatile scene is deplorable. I admire the ones who didn’t agree to go along with it and had enough sense to walk away.
    For those who have agreed to the pretend fights and disagreement, they asked for it, they got it.
    On twitter last night I saw a lot of people apologizing for being “TreHuggers” and now see Teresa for the mean, vile witch she had become?? ? It’s mind blowing how invested some fans are and actually get in twitter wars with everyone who disagrees with them.
    For me watching these shows is like watching a poorly scripted and worse acted soap opera.

  36. LaineyLainey says:

    MTH – thanks for the Amazing Race recap. I love your antiAviva moniker for someone who, besides trey and Lexi is becoming one of my favorites. I thought the twins were hilarious, typical sisters. How old are they? maybe a little immature? My daughter and I were sitting here saying…what? Lexi is eating the fallopian tubes??….wow! What a team player. Amazing. We were glad to see the couple that lost, go. He was controlling and kinda mean to his lady. I got a bad vibe offa him.

    • melthehound says:

      😀 Lainey… I don’t know how old the twins are. Maybe someone can help me find that kind of info. It was fun watching Lexi because of the sort of blog connection 😉

  37. RealHousewifeVA says:

    I didn’t watch the show but I saw how they looked and I know people were making fun of Teresa’s dress but I think it’s beautiful…I love an emerald green gown with black hair! Catherine Zeta Jones did an emerald gown to the Oscars one year and I thought it was just gorgeous. With her hair.
    I also think she’s smart to wear long dresses to these reunions. Not only does she stand out, but she doesn’t have to worry about showing her hoo-ha. If you watch the outtakes on bravotv.com, Jac had to tell Kathy to close her legs. lol

    Melissa looked good too, but I like the darker hair on her. This hair matches her skin too much. I get she wants to be JLo, but enough already. Have your own identity! But overall she looked good.
    Kathy and Caroline should never wear satin shiny dresses. When will these ladies learn that satin material is just never flattering.

  38. WindyCityWondering says:

    At the end of the day, we all see and hear what we want to because we are different and have different life experiences. None of these women would be friends of mine based on how they treat each other. IMO, Bravo gave the four their storyline opportunity to take Teresa down and they all went about it as both a team and as individuals and for different reasons. Family feuds are ugly and bullying behavior is horrible to watch but that is the nature of RHNJ. This franchise is difficult to watch because the boundries of acceptable behavior have been abused – there are no winners only losers.

  39. MamaZ says:

    Let’s assume that everything these women are accusing Teresa of is true. She talks behind their backs, she is self absorbed and doesn’t listen to their problems(boo hoo), she sells stories about herself to magazines(gasp!), she wanted people to believe her SIL was a stripper. She made unkind remarks, not jokes, about Caroline and her son in a cookbook, she stays with a cheating husband and has a ghostwriter for her blog(clutching my pearls!).

    It’s not much of a stretch to believe these thing. But I still don’t understand how that warrents the hatred they have for her or the vengance with which they have gone after her. The woman they are portraying isn’t very nice or likable. So stay the eff away from her!

    • VV says:

      Still don’t get the unkind remarks about Chris on her cookbook. She wrote “I DON’T CONDONE my daughters working at a strip car wash”. She didn’t say she condones it? It was a joke.

    • I think Mama, they’re forced to relive it all via the show and the reunion so what are they going to do, sit there and be silent? While this nonsense is giving me a headache, Andy Cohen would be none too pleased if he sat there with those women in complete silence after every question…I think it’s a necessary evil….

      • LaineyLainey says:

        What if they were all nice? What would that be like, I wonder?

        • I think Bravo would fail….think about how high the ratings are for this trashfest…unfortunately the higher the ratings the more money they make and lets be real, this is all about the pursuit of the almightly dollar so I doubt they’ll ever air reunions when they’re nice to one another. Think about how boring the Atlanta reunion was when they were all holding out for more cash and no one would answer a single question….

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          A lot more interesting to watch and IMO, some of the others would have successful business opportunities.

      • RealHousewifeVA says:

        Remember when Kim and Nene did that on one reunion? Andy was soo pissed! lol

    • Birdwoman says:

      I completely agree MamaZ! I was always pretty neutral about Teresa. I watched and read between the lines. Nothing I have seen Teresa do on the show and off the show warrants their hateful behavior. The other ladies behavior on and off the show is disgusting, in my opinion.

  40. Sam says:

    I haven’t read all the comments yet, so forgive me if I’m repeating something — but I’d like to comment on Teresa answering “yes” when they asked her whether she writes her own blogs.

    I used to work as a ghostwriter (and still do it sometimes as a favor to friends), and my clients would probably have given the same response as Tre. The reason for this is that ghostwriters can’t work in a vacuum, so they typically start off by asking the person to write his or her own thoughts down for use as a springboard. This material is then revised, edited, and polished for final approval by the client, which means that even if the ghostwriter changes or adds a lot to the piece, the essence of what the client wanted to say is still there.

    However, no matter how much tinkering is done to the material, ghosts are not supposed to be visibly present. That is, the ghostwriter’s voice shouldn’t be evident in the writing; instead, it should sound as though the client actually wrote the piece. So although Tre’s blogs are well-written, they’re not what I would consider good ghostwriting.

    • MamaZ says:

      Thank you for the professional perspective.

      • Sam says:

        You’re welcome, MamaZ! I’m just glad I had something to contribute today. (I didn’t watch RHNJ last night. I just couldn’t stomach it.)

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      I agree. I mentioned before that it’s not even just the use of a single word that makes me doubt that it’s Tre but metaphors she uses. She doesn’t use them in her talking heads or her other interactions but given her a pen and a piece of paper and suddenly she is Pygmalion?

      • Sam says:

        Yes, Rabblerouser, you’re absolutely right. But while reading your post I was struck by a thought: to write like someone else you have to get inside that person’s head so you can think like him or her — and I can’t blame Tre’s ghostwriter for not wanting to do this!

  41. RealHousewifeVA says:

    Danielle tweeted yesterday that Bravo did contact her and asked her to come to the PFS to out Melissa, but she wouldn’t. If they would ask Danielle to come, then what would stop them from bringing in Angelo or anyone else. Why don’t these ladies understand this? Or do they, and they just want the fame/money and are willing to play along?

    • LaineyLainey says:

      yes and yes.

    • PJ says:

      I said from the beginning that Teresa didn’t have the power to put a mic on Angelo and then see to it that he was still wearing it at the PFS. The Bravo crew put the mic on Angelo, for and a reason. There was only one reason for Angelo to have a mic on at the PFS. Jac knew Angelo had the mic on and was seen waiving and pointing and smirking–she had to know what was coming. The behavior of Caroline and Lauren was suspicious at the table, they had to know what was coming. I believe Melissa knew. These women all know Teresa had nothing to do with it but they run with it because it serves a purpose for them.

      • MamaZ says:

        A round of applause for Danielle for not playing along!

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Kim G alledgely also turned down her invitation to the bash. But then again, she may have had the best seat in the house from her balcony

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      They DO understand this (but it is in their self-interest to LIE and ACT as if they do NOT know this). And YES, they want the fame, the money and are willing to play along to get it.

  42. Sasha says:

    I love Amazing Race. It is my favorite reality show. I usually have a favorite team after the first episode but I didn’t have a front runner last night. I think the lesson learned last night is if you know the pit stop is next don’t help anyone out that may be able to run faster than you.

    • MamaZ says:

      I love Amazing Race too. I like a show where you have to accomplish something. And work together.
      My favs so far The Beekman Boys! These two are workers. They aren’t afraid to take risks and they have learned the hard way that you work together or you fail. Read Bucolic Plague.
      Also like the AntiAviva team.

    • melthehound says:

      Sasha, MamaZ, thank you for reading. Good points, both of you. 😀

      • MamaZ says:

        Thanks for writing it MTH. It’s a shame that we spent more time talking about the horrorshow that was NJ instaed of this competition.
        Now I have to go make frogs falliopian tubes for dinner.

        • melthehound says:

          Sadly it’s going to be the same for the next 2 or 3 weeks. It’s a housewives blog though so I accept that.

  43. RealHousewifeVA says:

    I just saw that Andy’s guest last night on WWHL, Chrissy Tiegen, was hanging out at the Manzo house a few days ago…pics tweeted and all. Andy is so obvious, lol. Who’s going to be on after next week’s part 2 to discuss the reunion, the Manzo boys?

  44. lovemamaearth says:

    Empress’s Blog has a recap of Revenge (see Blogroll on right)
    ^^^
    I don’t see it. Is it the B Side?

    Get better soon Lulu. Thanks to all for the blogs. Interesting comparison of the free for all vote vs the once only. Thanks NMD.

  45. Sus says:

    RHONJ needs to just crawl under a rock and hope no one ever moves it. Last night was the worst I’ve ever seen them. Rosie? WTF? When you act like that, no matter what was said, you are worse.
    Lauren looked really good until she opened her mouth. Once that happened she became a hag that isn’t old yet.
    I feel for Nicholas. I don’t trust his parents to do what they need to do to help him. I know that’s nasty but Jac hasn’t won any parenting awards with Ashley,

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Wondering if the homelife Nicholas is exposed to further compounds his issues. All the fighting with Ashley, the drunken crying and ranting, the constant internet, twitter and texting by an immature and impulsive mother…..I feel for Nicholas too.

      • Sasha says:

        Wow! I think Nicholas is in good hands. The peek that they gave us last night shows that he is loved and cared for despite his mother’s faults. Ashley’s main problem is being lazy and wanting things handed to her. It looks like she is slowly on her way to getting her act together and being productive.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Sasha – I am talking the environment Nicholas lives in – getting Ashley out of the house was not a quiet, quick or mutually agreed upon situation. Flashing back to Chris telling Ashley that she was leaving and Jac sitting in another room with Nick chanting make good choices chilled me to the bone. I agree that Ashley seems to be finding herself now that she is out of that environment. And I don’t doubt that Nick is loved.

  46. Zoey says:

    RHNY is on, and something Adiva said from a past episode shocked me.
    Remember when Ramona and Mario invited the others (except Heather) for dinner and the expensive bottle of wine? Well Aviva announces out of the blue ‘Guess what two people at this table have…blah, blah, not sure of the exact words, ‘have a history at this place?’ meaning Le Cirque.
    Then her hubby Reid corrects her, that only one of them have a history there. Then she says oh yeah, only one. She and Harry got married there!

    So I’m shocked that it sounds to me like she forgot she was married to Reid, and thought she was sitting there with Harry!!! Wow. Pretty telling to me. Still in love with Harry?

    She is a total wackadoo.

    • Sus says:

      I remember that. It was weird. I do think Harry is the reason that Aviva hates Ramona. She can’t stand that they are friends. I don’t understand why she isn’t pissed at SonJa about it though.

      • Lady Chatterley says:

        She is – it’s Luann that she let’s pass. But, that’s just until Luann pisses her off and then BOOM!

        • Sus says:

          Yeah but Aviva didn’t go all Devil Wears Prada on SonJa when they met. At least not nearly as much as she did with Ramona

          • I think on some level Aviva is threatened by Ramona or feels somewhat insecure next to Ramona because of Ramona’s individual successes and the fact that she doesn’t rely on her husband for financial support….I might be wrong but that’s the notion I get.

            • LaineyLainey says:

              Ramona, though older than Aviva, looks way younger than Aviva. I wonder if that bugs her, too?

            • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

              I think Aviva and Ramona both activate the other’s CHILDHOOD SCARS AND ISSUES.

              Ramona’s use of alcohol brings back Aviva’s painful memories of her Mother’s alcoholism. Ramona’s (and Sonja’s) more liberated and open view of and reveling in their own sexuality activates Aviva’s SUPPRESSED RAGE AND ANGER at her Father (whose replica she married when she wed Harry) for his obsession with and inappropriate behavior when it comes to the dreaded S-E-X word.

              Aviva’s constant verbal abuse and judgment of Sonja TRIGGERS the verbal abuse and judgment Ramona suffered at the hands of her own abusive father for years until she could break away and get out on her own.

              Aviva’s EXTREME DEPENDENCE on her husband, Reid, activates Ramona’s SUPPRESSED and CHILDHOOD ANGER at her Mother for being too weak to leave her abusive father (because she was dependent upon him financially) and for being too weak to protect Ramona and her siblings as children. JMHO.

              They should get therapy together and then become BFF’S!! I think the sessions would be utterly fascinating.

          • Lady Chatterley says:

            She feels that it’s okay to freely insult Ramona, because the other ladies don’t object. She hears them having sympathy for Sonja, so she’s been backing off – just since returning from St. Barths.

            • Zoey says:

              That’s a good point! Maybe Adiva watches to see who is the underdog, and who is fair game to pick on, then she attacks!

              • Lady Chatterley says:

                Adiva is a coward – and a bully.

                Remember her concerns about not being w/the “cool girls” when they all went to London? Insult to Ramona.

                She goes to St. Barths and immediately peels Carole off to spend alone time w/her. Exclusivity, marginalizing…classic mean girl moves.

                She sees Ramona as being weak – not having allies. She’s an easy target for her nasty mean girl behavior.

                Heather was doing it pre-St. Barths, but soon realized that it was unnecessary (and probably backfiring). I mean – really, what do you get from bullying Ramona? She’s harmless, why would you beat up on her?

                • Zoey says:

                  Yep, totally agree! The St Bart’s episode is airing right now, and when Heather got mad and stormed off when she found out that Carole and Adiva were having a double date, not doing the ‘girls’ trip’ and leaving her out, Adiva didn’t say one word to her! She chickened out and let Carole take the rap.

                  • Lady Chatterley says:

                    And she was completely willing to have Heather join them – ‘cuz she’s a cool girl, as long as they excluded Ramona and Sonja.

                    And then when they returned to NYC and Heather and Carole clued her in that they didn’t like her bullying Sonja, she had lunch w/Sonja and tried to get her to turn on Ramona. Didn’t work – her parting to words to Sonja, “You just keep hanging with Ramona, then. Good luck with that.”

                    She’s a total bitch.

  47. WindyCityWondering says:

    Has Rosie closed her twitter account?

  48. Powell says:

    STARS!!! Woo hoop!!! I’m giving you and your new biohazard suit a HUGE standing ovation!! Well done my friend. In all the yrs we’ve been watching these HW reunions I have never heard more insults, disgraceful language and total lack of respect than this reunion. And it’s a 3 parter. OMG!! Thank goodness I also had 666 Park Avenue to watch which was excellent. I thought my remote was gonna blow up I was switching channels so much. Excellent job Stars. 🙂

    • Stars99 says:

      Ty Powell… we can be fashionistas together in our biohazard suits… ready for part 2… lolol

  49. amalfi says:

    Rosie has mental problems. I never jumped on the oh Rosie is so adorable. She is a f*cking looney.

    As are they all,,, as are they all…

    • MamaZ says:

      I never cared for her either.

    • It seems that not one of these women were taught how to properly handle situations. They hear one statement/sentence or even a WORD they dont like and they LOSE it and start screaming/pointing/gesturing/cursing etc…and I’m referring to ALL of them because they’ve all done it…but lets be honest, if they reacted properly we’d probably call them all self-righteous and snooty…..

      • amalfi says:

        if you include Joey among “one of the women” you are spot on.

        crazy wackos. all of them.

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        I really have to wonder how Nonni who seems like a nice lady from what we have seen of her felt when Kathy and Rosie went off.
        Rosie was like King Kong stomping around and beating her chest.

  50. Sasha says:

    Rosie and the word adorable don’t go together. I want to give her a makeover and a manners class. She can be funny at times though.

    • PJ says:

      She lost me with her threats of violence.

      • Sasha says:

        Probably a lot of bark and no bite. She has to prove she is violent to me. I need her to flip a table. Lunge at me from across a room or perhaps chase me through a country club and call me a bitch.

        • PJ says:

          A threat of cutting someone’s tongue out is pretty violent. Rosie isn’t on the show and doesn’t need to create drama–to bring it. That was all her.

          • Rosie has a tendency to be violent..Back in June/July of this year someone she was sparring with on twitter ? dipscwhan ?? something or other..wanted to have Rosie arrested for being violent… I read it all over at TVTIME when it was happening … I’ll have to see if I can find it…

            • rabblerouser2010R says:

              I saw an exchange like that recently with her on twitter, granted the person was really trying to bait her (the things they said really out of order) but then it turned into a “Why don’t you come here and say that to my face”. The whole thing was just so dumb…

              1) No one is getting on an airplane to find a HW or hanger on and get into arguments with them
              2) You can’t just hit people anytime someone says something that pisses you off. (Well, you could but you end up in jail A LOT. It’s hardly worth it).

          • Sasha says:

            They all seem to flip out when you talk about their family. Don’t they. Rosie’s probably going through menopause.

      • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

        Me too. I actually used to like her. I wonder if she has an arrest record.

    • amalfi says:

      would not help. her problems have nothing to do with what she looks like…

  51. WindyCityWondering says:

    Last night I watched the reunion and then I just listened to a rerun without watching or being distracted by the dresses, makeup, facial expressions. When I listened it was easier to pick out edited dialog – the conversational chops, the differences in volume, the responses that just didn’t make sense. Bravo let Caroline, Jac, Lauren, Kathy and Rosie bury themselves in their bad behavior. Melissa was basically muted. Teresa was some how actually playing the Bravo game correctly – taking it and giving it right back. But what creeped me out were all the off set “noises” allowed to bleed in and I don’t believe they were all coming from just Rosie.

  52. LaineyLainey says:

    I love that. Judging from MarDrag’s love of Ren and Stimpy, she will enjoy that one too. A love of Scatological humor…sign of immaturity or sign of genius??? discuss.

  53. AZGirl says:

    I know this was mentioned above but it is a good point. Melissa was quiet when Kathy started in on the grandparents of her children.
    I do agree with most of you about Teresa and how there is nothing she could have done to warrant the attack all season long. Even if all of what she is accused of is true it does not condone this amount of hate. Hate not only directed to her but her marriage to Joe, how she raises her girls and her parents. I would take all 4 of the Guiduce girls over any of the Manzo kids. Chris and Albie are lazy and Lauren is a foul mouth brat.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Now where is the fairness if Teresa is allowed to hit back? And ITA – Teresa’s kids are still young enough to be taught the life lessons that Caroline proudly failed to teach her children.

    • Sus says:

      I wouldn’t take any of the kids on RHONJ. The Guidice kids are going to be just like the Manzo kids or worse. Gia is already mouthy like Lauren

      • Sasha says:

        I like the Gorga kids. They are so cute and polite. I’ll be so disappointed if I find out next season that it was all a sham.

        • BB says:

          Kids will be kids. lol

          • LaineyLainey says:

            they are cute. He got overly excited. it happens!

            • rabblerouser2010R says:

              My kid farts on me. I tell her it’s disgusting and to quit but she says “it’s funny to me”. Then I will ask, why does she fart on me and not on Daddy and she says “Because that’s just the way it is”.

              • Zoey says:

                Oh that’s so funny rr! You’re almost like Honey Boo Boo’s family! Just kidding, but hey, you could get a tv show! Apparently filming farts is worth cash money!!!

                • rabblerouser2010R says:

                  It’s hard…I try not to laugh at it but it’s hard to keep a straight face. Do the Boo’s BoO’s fart? I only know about the eating road kill and belly slaps.

                  • LaineyLainey says:

                    I have never watched one episode of the honey boo boos, and even I know that they do, indeed, effluviate at will. (from the commercials) I never seem to be watching the t.v. when it’s on.

                  • Zoey says:

                    Oh yeah, they fart 24/7 it seems. In fact, the episode I watched, the mom told the daughter that the more you farted, the more weight you would lose! I’ve never heard that one, lol!

              • LaineyLainey says:

                How Caro-esque of her “It is what it is”? LOL!

              • klmh says:

                So funny RR!

          • Sasha says:

            That tickles me every time I see it. That little Gino.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          The Gorga kids are cute and polite — especially when Gino SLAPS Antonia in the face at the dinner table (Season 3) and SLAPS the hell out of his father on his head more than once (Season 4).

          I’m NOT judging. Kids (even good ones) do sh*t like that. They are testing their limits.

          I have a sneaking suspicion that BRAVO films very few shots of the Giudice girls when they are actually behaving (I mean, how BORING is that? It also does not go along with the BRAVO storyline of portraying the Giudices and their children as uncouth wild animals/barbarians. I also would not be surprised if a producer or camera man or two fed Milania lines for the camera. It’s the same principle of some adults — like Whoopi Goldberg admitted she did with her grandchildren — who teach kids to SWEAR because they find it absolutely hilarious. Whoopi says she knows she was wrong, and her daughter had every right to be furious with her, as she WAS. She said it was just so CUTE to her that she couldn’t help herself. *Shrug*).

          • rabblerouser2010R says:

            I bet Whoopie thought it was cute until a 3 year old told her to go F herself.

            That reminds me of a story. I was talking to a waiter in this bar/restaurant I used to eat at after Halloween had passed. I was saying how I didn’t get many kids so after a while I just left all the candy in the front stoop with a note saying to take one piece. A few minutes later I went back and the whole thing was gone, so I suspect some greedy kid (or adult) scooped it all.

            He was telling me how how at his house, the bell rang and there was two kids at the door. I kid who looked about 8 dressed Dracula ,with a little girl who look 5 or so dressed as princess. So the kids are there with their bags out in silence so he says “What do you say”, expecting them to say “Trick or Treat” . So the Dracula kid says “F*** You”. He thought he was hearing things, so he looks at the little girl and says “What did he say?” and then she says “F*** you”. Stunned, he drops the candy in their bag and closes the door. Then he turns to his girlfriend in bewilderment and says “Those kids just to me to f*** myself” and she replied “Yeah, and then gave them candy”.

          • Sasha says:

            You just can’t give a Gorga a compliment around here. Melissa reprimanded Joe for teaching him that. I have a sneaking suspicion that they are still the cutest and the most polite. I wonder what that Milania was up to today.

            • melthehound says:

              Since it’s a Monday, she was probably in school. That is unless her mother is whoring her out to some magazine.

            • rabblerouser2010R says:

              Milania? Well I am pretty sure her and Stewie from the Family guy are planning on a hostile take over…somewhere in between kicking some kid in the sandbox and recess.

              • Sasha says:

                The visual of that is funny. I was a quiet kid so Stewie and Milania team would have scared me to death.

  54. AZGirl says:

    I just finished reading Ilana’s recap and it is really funny. When Jac tells Tre that her “friend” told her everything Tre had said about her Ilana response is “We all know Jac has no friends so it must be voices in her head”. Ilana goes on about how Mel spent the whole hour trying to catch her reflection in Teresa’s dress. Good stuff.

  55. AZGirl says:

    Teresa’s blog is up and it is good. I agree with her 100% about Lauren’s weight issues. They stem from Caroline and poor self-esteem. Lauren is only 24. She is young and not that over-weight to warrant a lap band.

    @BB or NMD my last post is in moderation. Not sure why.

    • BB says:

      Sorry, AZ, it’ll either have to Lady Chatterly or NMD.

    • Winston says:

      Love it! If only Teresa and Andy had shown up at the Borgata it would have gotten higher ratings. Say what you will but even her blogs are the best read compared to all the others. She outshines them all……every.single.time!!

      • djprincessc says:

        Idk why Teresa just said ya someone does write my blogs for me, I tell them what I want and they write it for me. I’m too busy and don’t have the time to be bothered with blogs. BOOM. She admitted and explained why she does/doesn’t then everyone would shut up already!

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          The same reason she does not tell them any of her other business. They are not her friends or her family members. So, they don’t deserve to know.

          Melissa and Kathy are not “FAMILY.” They are simply “RELATIVES”.

          Maybe she also does not give them that information because they do not PAY her for it.

          Why give out information for FREE if you can get PAID? They were SOOOO angry with Teresa for possibly getting PAID to speak to tabloids because they claimed to consider themselves “above” that type of behavior (I personally think they were pissed that they had not thought of it FIRST. Damn, that DUMMY Teresa got the lead on beating them at ANOTHER moneymaking opportunity AGAIN!!! Grrrrrrr!!).

          • djprincessc says:

            No I understand that, I just meant last night on the reunion for the viewers, that way nobody can call her a liar. She doesn’t have anything to explain to those vile women she was sitting with last night.

    • klmh says:

      I agree. Lauren had poor self esteem. There are some strict controls, or there are supposed to be some strict controls about that surgery. Wonder if she had diabetes issues, high bp, ? Nah…

  56. Winston says:

    The masks sure slipped off last night. It was good to finally see Kathy and Rosie for their true colors. Good luck selling those canolli’s Kathy. Would love to see an episode of Juicy Joe with the canolli kit, taking a bite, saying how awful it is…that it tastes like fish and throwing it in the garbage.
    Caroline says the person of Season 4 no longer exists! HA! So the Caroline at the reunion is the new brighter, more enlightened Caroline. Well, ok. You keep on with telling Tre she will never see who she really is or the damage she does with your new improved self.
    I had to laugh (and cringe) when Caroline accused Tre of whoring Gia out. First, if anyone used the word whore to describe my 11 year old daughter, there are no words! Second, what is it exactly Caroline is doing with her 3 children on the show????? What was the point of Lauren’s unveiling on the show last night talking about her chuckie. That must have been a proud moment for mama! I did not notice much weight loss. What I did notice was plastic surgery.
    As for Jac, I don’t even know where to begin. She is the most vile of all the women on that show. The accusations she made against Teresa were disgusting and no matter how hard she tries to make Teresa look bad, she will always make herself look worse.

    • Winston says:

      Oh and did anyone catch the irony of Lauren accusing Teresa of not writing her own blogs when Lauren didn’t lose her own weight?

      • melthehound says:

        The irony I caught was it looks like she found the weight she lost. It still takes work to maintain. Even a non rocket scientist like Teresa knows that.

        • Winston says:

          Yep, Tre makes a great point in her blog about the lapband and Lauren. It seems very extreme that she would take that route.

      • cusi77 says:

        I think the comic part was when Lauren was misspelling NAPALM! I was laughing so hard!
        Thanks Boston for the Lauren’s caption!

        • Sasha says:

          Cusi, I thought I heard her put the letter Q in but I thought can’t be. If you are going to confront it is best to come prepared.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            She should get a ghostwriter to help prepare her for the next Reunion.

        • contessa says:

          Lauren said on twitter she did that deliberately to make a point..however the Manzo’s had to find something through a real writer, as Lauren said she doesn’t read, doesn’t know what the signs on the highway are, and the list goes on and on. Lauren’s a very unhappy and mean young woman, and is very jealous of her brothers and is probably getting tired of being behind them in their mother’s estimation. Kudo’s to Tre for getting a ghost writer. My dad’s second language was English and he had difficulty so I would write on his behalf….ths is nothing to make fun of. I give Tre credit for having well-written thought out blogs. JMHO.

          • Winston says:

            Lauren will be in for a very rude awakening when Teresa’s children reach adulthood. The way she has treated their mother will come back to bite her. Wonder how Lauren (and Caroline) would feel if all Tre’s kids did was bash Caroline all day long, all season long.

          • HelgaPataki says:

            I would give her kadooz for having a writer, but she denies it. She knows what the question means, so any justification for a yes answer is baloney.

            And yes, I know, they all lie. Incuding Teresa.

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            Lauren was LYING.

            They ALL lie. 4 out of 5 of them, however, claim that it is ONLY Teresa that LIES. 4 out of 5 of them also claim that it is ONLY Teresa that refuses to OWN UP TO her lies.

            TO THAT, I say to all of them the SAME thing Kid Fury says at the 1:01 – 1:05 mark of his video:

            http:www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rky02SwnZs8&NR=1&feature=fvwP

            LIES, FAIRYTALES and FALLACIES, indeed!!! (Lions & Tigers & Bears, Oh My!! Lies & Fairytales & Fallacies [from EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US], Oh My!)

      • MamaZ says:

        Fantastic point Winston! I also don’t beleive Lauren works out 2 hours every day before work and then does and hour of kickboxing after work and diets. If she did all those things without a lapband she would have lost weight.

        • contessa says:

          Mama Z – EXCELLENT POINT!!!! You are absolutely right and with the lap band and that kind of workout she should have lost a lot more weight in one year??? Who is she kidding?

          • Winston says:

            Remember they were going to keep the lap-band a secret and pretend Lauren lost the weight naturally but then someone was going to out the truth so Lauren admitted it.

            • Nancy says:

              It was the same thing with Caroline. Remember her telling Andy that her weight loss was due to “portion control”. Please!

      • klmh says:

        One is telling the truth about the lap band, one is lying about her blogs. I guess that’s the difference.

        • MamaZ says:

          But she only told the truth because she was outted. They plan was to lose weight as a part of a particular program which I beleve she was going to be a paid spokesperson for. I think that’s a pretty big lie.

          I do think Caroline could have lost weight with portion control after Albert had his lapband. She was probably eating smaller meals with him than the used to before his surgery.

        • RealhouseWifeva says:

          She was lying and planning to keep lying until someone anonymously leaked the truth. For months she was hawking dr. P’s ‘amazing diet’ as the secret to her success. And I think he was pissed when the truth came out the way he replied on twitter, trying to convince everyone that his diet was also what helped her. So yah…

          • klmh says:

            Mamaz and Realhousewifeva, I didn’t realize she was outed. Tx Seems like what Lauren wants, Lauren gets.

  57. Zoey says:

    Oh wise one above, please forgiving me for laughing every time I hear Adiva say, “IT’S NOT ABOUT ME. IT’S ABOUT. THE CHILDREN. WHO ARE MISSING. LEGS!!!”.

    • Zoey says:

      please forgiving??? My cheese is off my cracker just a bit today.

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        lol..its all good.
        Actually, for a NJ discussion day the board is over all pretty chipper.

        • Zoey says:

          Good observation, rr. I think we as a group are OVER these people. They have robbed us of a bit of our family closeness here, and they’re not worth it!

          I should not have mega doses of caffeine when I didn’t sleep much. Ever do that? It just makes you wired and tired. Non productive and kinda foggy. I should have gone back to sleep for a bit at 5 am.

          • rabblerouser2010R says:

            You got it, at the end of the day none of these folks pay our rent, no way I am getting into a internet blood bath in defense or defiance of one of them.

        • Sasha says:

          This is the way I like it. I tend to reply more when it is a happier mood.

          • Zoey says:

            Same here, Sasha.

          • rabblerouser2010R says:

            I think a lot of people feel safer posting. For me making comments on message boards/blogs are like a second nature but for some others, it can make them feel a little vulnerable at first. I would hate to make anyone feel like they were being run off because of a different POV

            • Zoey says:

              That’s really nice of you to say to everyone, rr. It takes an open mind. It can be quite daunting here. It’s liberating to express yourself, but if someone comes back at you hard and passionately, well, it can put you off of commenting in the future. And that makes our family smaller and smaller. And one-sided, which will get boring eventually, lol!

              I found myself commenting as an island many times regarding NJ, which I can take, but that’s boring with no liked-minded interactions, and many other times I just passed over and didn’t comment, as I felt- meh, what’s the point.

              When we can discuss it and find the heart and humor in it all, and remember WE matter to each other more than these chicks on TV, we have a good thing going.

    • Lulu says:

      LOL I say that to telemarketer’s all the time. But they fail to see the humor in it! 😦

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      I will forgive you, Zoey. I cannot seem to bring myself to forgive MYSELF, however, for the INTENSE DELIGHT I have in often repeating Aviva’s words (whether in oral or written form). I somehow feel like it is not nice (but I cannot stop myself because it is HIGH-larious! *Shrug*).

      • Zoey says:

        ‘Intense delight’, haha. At least she gives us something to laugh at! Most of the time she’s anything but funny… I can’t seem to stop making fun of her leg. I mean, her absent leg. I blame her, she opened that door and gave us a ‘leg up’ on that one! Lol.

  58. Cusi77 says:

    Good afternoon everyone!

    Wow, STARS99, what a great Blog! You hit the nail big time on the head with your recap and side comments! Thanks, so much! I could not understand not even a quarter of what went down there last night!

    Call me crazy… Caroline grew on me last night… T Was out of control.. It was hysterical when she moved to Caroline side for protection! Haa!

    Now, I am going to read the comments!

  59. djprincessc says:

    I said it last night, I’ll say it again. I HATE LAUREN MANZO. Didn’t she spell Napalm wrong?? I could’ve sworn she said Q in it. And she got a lap band and only lost 35 pounds? I’m sorry but I lost 30 pounds just by doing low carb before with no working out, I was miserable…but it worked. Oh and I did gain some back, but still I have zero respect for her bc she’s a lazy piece of shit. The way she spoke to Teresa was disgusting and you could see the HATE in her eyes, I think she’s younger then me which is sad to be that young and bitter and very entitled. If her parents ever went broke she would have no clue what to do with herself.

    On another note, I was actually surprised that Andy called out Caroline on a couple things, I actually didn’t think he was against Teresa like last time, but who knows its only part 1.

    • I thought that she purposely spelled Napalm wrong to indicate how she thought Teresa would spell it.

      • klmh says:

        That was my thought too.

        • Zoey says:

          Yeah I didn’t quite get what her point was with the purposely misspelling, but I guess she thought it was clever. Her joke failed.

          I can see certain people being angry with Teresa and they have a ‘right’ to question her, but Lauren? What the heck is she so angry about??? I’m sure Teresa doesn’t sit around and think about Lauren.

          • Nancy says:

            For Caroline to allow her own daughter to speak to one of her ex-friends like that
            says it all. It was so inappropriate. Good luck on your book sales Caroline.

          • klmh says:

            That’s interesting Zoey. We sure don’t understand the animosity between these families. Hope Caroline spills the beans if she leaves. The boys though don’t seem to have a problem with either Joe or Teresa, or I couldn’t see it on their road trip.

          • AZGirl says:

            Lauren thinks that being angry is cool because her mother is always pissed off. Lauren is a dim bulb too and should not be throwing stones at glass houses.

        • djprincessc says:

          I don’t believe she did it on purpose. Whats the point of spelling it wrong? Teresa didn’t even spell or give into it. So I don’t get it. She’s the only one who looked dumb, miss I got a lap band and still work out 2 hours a day. Gimme a break! She would have lost a lot more than 35 pounds if that were the case.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        And Bravo left it in to appear that Lauren didn’t know how to spell it correctly – well done Bravo!

        • Nancy says:

          ^5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

        • Winston says:

          I wish Bravo would do a montage on each housewife, as they accuse Teresa of her crimes, showing them doing the exact same thing they accuse Teresa of. You know they have the footage. I would pay good money to see the hypocrisy and even watch a 3 part Hypocrisy triology!

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            LOL – Bravo appears to be doing that by allowing some true colors to bleed through and masks to be lowered during the reunion. Teresa was prepared for the gang up this year and Andy is loving it.

          • djprincessc says:

            No matter how much weight Lauren loses doesn’t matter her makeup still sucks and she still looks dirty and sweaty.

            • MamaZ says:

              It is pretty hot under those lights.

              • djprincessc says:

                Haha MamaZ too bad she looks like that even when they show her at home doing nothing. Idk why all the Manzos look dirty to me. Dina is the only one who doesn’t .

          • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

            B-R-I-L-L-I-A-N-T idea!!

            I would PAY good money to see it, as I am sure it would be fascinating, enlightening and hilarious (although embarrassing to “The Fab Four”).

      • PJ says:

        Oh so she claims now.

  60. djprincessc says:

    Totally off topic but I just saw this on The Dirty.com…I guess Joanna from Real Housewives of Miami is really a hooker?? I thought something was off when I saw her on the show, she’s super pretty but something about her didn’t sit with me well…could this be why?? lol. Heres the link: http://thedirty.com/2012/10/exclusive-breaking-news-real-housewives-of-miami-star-joanna-krupa-is-a-confirmed-hooker/

  61. djprincessc says:

    Soooo idk what happened to my post, but Joanna from Real Housewives is a hooker I guess? lol. Here’s the link: http://thedirty.com/2012/10/exclusive-breaking-news-real-housewives-of-miami-star-joanna-krupa-is-a-confirmed-hooker/

  62. WindyCityWondering says:

    I missed Lynn more than ever last night. It seemed every conversation we had would eventually touch on RHNJ – how polarizing the show was for posters and how sad that it pitted families against each other. RIP Lynn and know we miss, we love and we remember you.

  63. ladyballs says:

    since the subject of feeling comfortable/uncomfortable posting has come up, i’d like to add a few words regarding that. rabblerouser and i are posting back and forth upthread and if we continue, the lines are gonna get small and begin to form that long column, which is hard to read. so i’m continuing down here.

    i posted a comment to which rr responded. i thought i must not have been clear enough.so i responded to rr. when rr responded again with essentially the same thought, i knew i hadn’t been clear, so i tried for the third time to make my point. at that point, rr responed to me with what felt like “passion.”

    as a new commentor here, i have done my best to not ruffle feathers while still trying to make points that may not be popular. i’ve tried not to respond to comments i don’t agree with but instead start my own thread with those points. i’ve tried to keep my comments from “going there” by making a joke when enough is enough.

    i agree with sasha who said it’s easier to post when the mood is happier here.

    • MamaZ says:

      There are many ways to post with respect even when you disagree. It’s not always easy to detect nuance from a typed comment. If someone responds with passion they may have misunderstood your intent.
      I have to say though when you post uhg under the comments you don’t like it appears dismissive. But maybe I am misunderstanding you also.

      • ladyballs says:

        i post ugh when enough is enough and i can’t find a funny way out. i don’t want to debate to the point where there’s no where to go but anger.

        ugh for me means “i’ve said what i wanted to say, we won’t ever agree and it’s time to move on.”

      • ladyballs says:

        btw, sasha posted “alrighty then” earlier and i like that, too.

    • PJ says:

      You have posted ugh under my comments and even regarding my comments to other people in a conversation you were not involved in, so why did you need a funny way out of something you weren’t involved in in the first place?

      • MamaZ says:

        I understand why you say it but can you understand that it will indeed ruffle feathers? Whereas just saying i’ve said what i wanted to say, we won’t ever agree and it’s time to move on.” might not?
        I’m not suggesting that you stop saying it, or things like allrighty then. But be aware that it is a snarky response and will probably upset the people you say it to. Feel free to snark away but respect their right to respond to you in kind.
        One thing we should have learned from the Houewives is just because you’re ready to move on doesn’t mean the other person is also ready.
        Most people want to be heard and being dismissive of their feelings is a definate button pusher.
        I try not to take any of personally.

        • PJ says:

          Thank you MamaZ. I think it is rude and dismissive to say “ugh” after a comment, and I think it is in truth meant to be rude and dismissive. I actually didn’t get upset over the alrighty then because it was at least in response to an exchange that was going on and not just someone jumping in to be rude in an exchange that didn’t involve them. Plus I understand that RHNJ does seem to cause people to have strong reactions and I think there is more polarization than with NY. You are right about trying to not take it personally, It is kind of silly when you think about it because these women are probably laughing all the way to the bank. But your point is well taken generally people don’t get upset if they are allowed to express their opinions.

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      I tend to respond with a joke or extreme sarcasm or hyperbole when I feel like a poster wants to “fight” with me too, ladyballs (I LOVE your name, by the way).

      And I will apologize if I feel I have UNintentionally offended someone (I usually don’t apologize when I INTENTIONALLY offend someone because I MEAN it when I SAY it. This is RARE for me, though).

      And sometimes, I just take the route of IGNORING a person (or persons) who I sometimes feel “stalk” my damned comments (And I think, “Is it REALLY that DEEP? Are we really going to allow these women who act the fool on television and who do not sign ANY of our damned paychecks take us to that level? Really???” It’s just not worth it to me.).

      That’s when I tell myself not to take it so personally.

      Sometimes it’s not even about ME. Sometimes the person with whom I am interacting on a level that is reaching the point of hostility may have simply have had a BAD day, and they choose to take their frustrations out on this Board, and I just happen to be in the right place at the WRONG time, as in the line of fire (And, hell, sometimes that person taking out her frustration is even ME. When I realize it IS, I think of ENGLAND….oops, I mean AMERICA…keep a stiff upper lip, get off the board and either have a stiff drink or go talk to one of my friends and/or relatives that ACTIVELY JUDGE me HARSHLY for even watching such TRASH in the first place. They,as good friends, often let me know how STUPID I am being and how I need to try a little PBS or Masterpiece Theater. It helps….for a while…..and then I JUMP right back on this Board and start all OVER again. *Sigh* LOL).

      I think the saying “You GET what you GIVE” applies when it comes to RHONJ. These women GIVE off so much negativity that it is often what they GET back in the form of our passionate and, yes, sometimes even NASTY comments. That is because these women are often MEAN and NASTY and NEGATIVE themselves.

      So, no matter who one chooses to LOVE or HATE or to DEFEND (because one feels like they are the underdog), we take out our frustrations at THEM on this blog and sometimes even on our fellow commenters.

      RHONJ, particularly this season, brings out the WORST in people.

      • ladyballs says:

        well said!
        cheers!

      • AZGirl says:

        How are you doing Detox? Hope you and your mom are on the mend.

        • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

          Hi AZ,

          Sorry for the late response and thank you so much for asking and for the nice wishes. Both Mom and I are on the mend. Papa Detox now has a patch on his eye and is just as demanding and needy and annoying as ever (even though we love him).

          My Mom and I have planned several activities that will give us a break from him every now and then over the next 6 weeks. He is the definition of “high-maintenance”!

      • PJ says:

        Well said Detox and I guess one thing LB and I can agree on.

    • rabblerouser2010R says:

      I replied to you in our original thread above, I don’t want to find it again, copy and paste it to bring it down here so if you want to reply to that and need room to do so, here will work too.
      I thought you were very clear, you did not mix your words when you said that you thought that comments about Jac being responsible for Nic’s regression were repugnant. I tried to explain that I think that some people admitted that they miss spoke when they said that.
      I also said that I think that some of the criticism of Jac is fair. You seemed praise her ability to parent. I simply don’t see what you see. That doesn’t make you right and me wrong or viceversa, they are nothing more than two different opinions about someone that neither of us are likely to meet and after this season might never see on tv again.

      If you sensed passion in me, it’s not about this TV show or Jac Laurita as a whole. It’s because I think she is emotional unstable, I do not see her has having the fortitude to be a strong advocate for her son. She can’t even hold her own against Teresa G who many say is the biggest moron on the planet without breaking into tears or having Caroline step in.

  64. AZGirl says:

    Just over at SH blog. She just posted that her sister committed suicide today. So sad. Send prayers.

  65. “When we can discuss it and find the heart and humor in it all, and remember WE matter to each other more than these chicks on TV, we have a good thing going.”

    Applause Zoey!! Beautiful statement!

  66. Powell says:

    Happy Birthday Trash T. Another fellow Libra.

  67. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    Kathy say “Dont bring the parents into this” but FIRST feels the need to tell us that Teresa called her to bitch about her In-laws. Her in-laws are parents right? Kathy felt she needed to tell us that Teresa vented to her about her in-laws so we would know what a horrid bitch Teresa is right? Teresa then says she knows things about Kathy-like maybe her and Richie were thinking of divorcing-The horrified look on everyone’s face was priceless. It as if they all thought the could spill everything Teresa ever told them and she was just going to sit and take it.
    Jac tells us everything Teresa told her when they were friends but cries foul when Teresa does the same. Why do they think Teresa will keep quiet if they dont?
    Personally I wish Teresa never said anything to Kathy and just let her go on and on-she would have shown what a bore she is and only has Teresa as her story line.
    I wish Teresa would have said YES I have a ghost writer for my blog and Jac-you should get one for the Manifesto too.
    I wish she would have said that she makes buckets full of money from the magazines and screw whoever thinks she shouldn’t. Magazines with Teresa on the cover sell-that is a fact.
    I wish she would have said that she always believed Melissa was a stripper and so does everyone else-you know Caroline “investigated” Melissa and Kathy just like she did Danielle.
    If Teresa said all of those things-what the hell would they need 3 hours of this bullshit for????
    We really need to hear about Lauren’s lap band crap? 3 minutes on that would do-Im over Caroline’s kids(who by the way are not kids!!)
    I think Melissa’s singing career would take 15 or 20 minutes -tops.
    Kathy and her kit-6 minutes.
    That leaves plenty of time for Bravo to exploit the heartache that Jac and her husband had endured with their son. If you ask me-Jac never should have let Bravo play that -it didn’t belong at the reunion with all the ugliness. It was the wrong time and place-

  68. I Need A Life! says:

    Detox..What were you drinking last night? That post on sex with the HW husbands was crazy fun. As I was going to bed, I laughed out loud at Kathy’s stupid comment that using her cannoli kit would make me, “A goddess in the kitchen.” My own mother is 77 years old. Kathy sounds like she’s from that era. Keep the cannoli kit, Kathy. No “Little Richies” for me.

    After reading that article last week on producers manipulating the show, I looked at the reunion as staged drama. Nothing else. They were told in advance to pick on Tre for drama. Tre was set up. So was Russell. Lisa was set up on BH. Andy came off acting like, “this is a joke,” because it was.

    Tonight we’ll watch Adiva attack, because that’s the only storyline they’ve got. I just really want to know what family secret Kathy & Teresa are hiding about their parents. Why did Rosie jump out of her skin? That wasn’t a joke. Any relatives out there? C’mon. We won’t gossip.

    • I Need A Life! says:

      Oh..what kind of mascara do these women use? Jac cried and her makeup was perfect. Same with Melissa.

      • djprincessc says:

        I’m sorry but I heard a lot of huffing saw minimal tears from Jaq and then she was fine. Caroline actually seemed like she was really crying.

        • I Need A Life! says:

          That’s what I meant. Melissa’s fake tears were stupid, but how did Jaq lift her head without streaks on her face? Just wondering.

        • LaineyLainey says:

          Caroline has a good cry. I mean, she REALLY fights it and it bubbles up and she’ll shake her head and look sideways and try to smile… and then here we go… and I’m thinking, let it out, girl, let it out.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        LOL I was thinking they wear false lashes and were using some might good adhesive!

    • I Need A Housewives' Detox Program says:

      Hola, “I Need,” (*Waving*)

      Girl, UNFORTUNATELY, I was STONE COLD SOBER last night. This is just me raw and unfiltered. Some people find it hilarious. Other people find it offensive. I find that I cannot please everybody all the time. So, I just try to please MYSELF and not give a sh*t about the rest (Just Kidding….I THINK).

      I don’t know why, but when I am being DEAD SERIOUS when talking (or even writing), people often tell me I am hilarious. I think it’s because I think this world and the people in it (including MYSELF) are often quite absurd, and I have no problem pointing it out.

      I also come from a family of MIXED FRUITS AND NUTS, which causes me to attract and be subconsciously attracted to these same kinds of crazy people which cause crazy EVENTS to occur around me (For the MOST part, they are the “good” kind of crazy, not the SCARY kind. I think Ramona is this kind of crazy, which is why I LOVE her SO. Other people disagree with me about Ramona. I can accept this). Mind you, many of these events are not funny AT THE TIME, but are HILARIOUS in hindsight! *Shrug*

      I am also subconsiously depressed due to my recent walking pneumonia and present cracked rib and other setbacks. I am also a bit stressed taking care of my ailing parents and trying to keep them ALIVE while simultaneously preventing THEM from being the DEATH of ME!! I think RHONJ also subconsciously depressed me because it is truly scary to know that such ugliness and meanness and nasty, vile people walk amongst us in this world. Talk about depressing!!

      I said all that to say that, according to my gay husband, I am even more hilarious/funnier when I am depressed. He always says, “Girl, I know it is so SELFISH of me to say this, but I LOVE it when you are DEPRESSED because you are bitchier and funnier than usual, which makes me LAUGH MY ASS OFF!!”

      Why is he my gay husband again? I do not even KNOW why anymore. He just IS….like the Sun and the Moon. (*Shrug*)

      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        Detox-that was hysterical last night-your choices were well thought out!!! Hope things are looking up for you AND Mom and Dad!!

      • AZGirl says:

        Take care Detox. Thinking of you

        • I Need A Life! says:

          Stay positive, Detox. And if writing improves your mood, then write, because you improve our mood. Just finished watching New York. They need Tre to move to New York.

  69. Zoey says:

    Sonja just commented on Adiva not paying for her education. I wonder if she means that she went on grant or scholarships for disabled students, or that her parents paid for all of it. I’ll bet she received grants for her disability. There’s nothing wrong with that, maybe-I haven’t fully decided- it’s just that I’m jealous if that’s the case. If your parents are able to pay, should they?

    I know people who went to college whose parents were wealthy, but they ‘worked’ the system. From very slight medical issues, to owning several businesses but none ‘fully’ paid for, so they got a free ride. My friend whose parents’ home was fully paid for were refused a grant, as they could mortgage their home.

    Just thinking out loud as I go through boxes taken down from the attic. What to do with ‘stuff’??? Seriously thinking of getting rid of everything and living full time in an RV! Can one live happily without so much stuff?

    • ladyballs says:

      we moved a year ago and i’m still purging. we put everything from our previous house in storage for a year. we built a smaller house.

      we paid for that “junk” for a year in storage then when we moved in, i sent back a good bit to be stored…..again… because it wouldn’t fit in a smaller house.

      and threw away another good bit of what we stored for a year. it’s very hard to part with stuff.

      • Zoey says:

        Isn’t that the truth? I am paying for two storage units for crap I’ve now paid hundreds of times for what it was worth when it was new! Our parents didn’t have storage units!! What’s wrong with us? Lol. Joking, but serious.

        Whoever came up with the storage unit business is a genius.

        • ladyballs says:

          i can soooooooooooo identify.

          • rabblerouser2010R says:

            Please come to my MIL house and teach her how to purge.
            I swear she is a hoarder and shopaholic. She has EVERY bed sheet my DH ever slept in as child, every disgusting and matted stuffed animal. (sure saving the ONE woobie is fine but not everything they ever touched). She still has all her mother’s cloths, her mother has been dead for over 15 years.

            I have to stop now before I go on a full on rant about it.

            • Zoey says:

              Omg, and I thought I kept things??? Wowzer! No offense, but she does seem borderline hoarder-ish. Maybe apply to the show? Just kidding, sorry. But keeping stuff sure is mentally taxing, and physically expensive!

              It’s so hard to get rid of stuff, but when you do, you feel so much lighter! For me it all depends on my mood at that moment, whether or not I can give it up, lol. 10 minutes later, I’ll change my mind!

              You can rant if you need to, I actually find it interesting!

              • rabblerouser2010R says:

                Oh, she could seriously be on that show but she would never agree to it. Especially when it comes to all the CRAP she buys that still has price tags on it. She will never get rid of it.

                I actually got in a argument with my husband once at her house because of a broken turkey baster. I told him to toss it out but he wanted to ask his mother first in case it use to belong to his grandma. I don’t want to repeat what I said, but let’s just say it went in the trash.

                • PJ says:

                  I was at my husband’s aunt’s house one day and helping her clean up her kitchen. I started to throw away some visibly used paper dinner napkins. She had a fit and asked why I would throw them out since they were still good. I didn’t know what to say. She then told me to clean the kitchen with them, again I had no words.

                  • Zoey says:

                    Wow! I know my mom was a bit like that, but I think being raised during the depression and being poor, you just didn’t throw anything away. If a potato was half rotten, you just cut the bad part off and used the rest!

            • Powell says:

              I have stuff but nothing compared to some family members. They nerd hoarders. Yikes.

              • rabblerouser2010R says:

                I have some clutter to but that is more about living in small condo with 4 people. My MIL is actually emotionally attached to all this junk.

    • klmh says:

      Zoey, I know what you mean. I wish the money could go to those that can’t afford it., or can’t get a loan.
      There were lots of millionaire kids in our town that got all kinds of scholarships. Of course their grades were great. They had lots of advantages the other children didn’t.

      • cusi77 says:

        I don’t know where I read but I recall well that Adrienne Maloof got full scholarship when in College in AZ. It is about good grades as well! Agree or disagree, a good student deserves this kind of recognition… JMHO. If she gives back scholarships for other excellent students, that would be a good thing to do.

    • BB says:

      I’m pretty sure Sonja means Adiva’s daddy paid for her education and she didn’t have to work to put herself through college or get loans and pay them back.

    • LuvMyGals says:

      Zoey, you’re talking about my dream. An RV, driving up to the Golden Gate, …. just don’t include any Manzos, Gorgas, or leave the windows open if Jac is around! Re Aviva and college, my guess is that the Americans with Disabilities Act does not cover free college for a young woman with a missing limb. Adiva certainly grew up with lots of advantages, but let’s face it, a real creep for a father. Wouldn’t want to trade places with her! Not sure was Sonja’s snarking is about but it’s all kind of tiresome. Pitch all the crap and hit the road!

      • Zoey says:

        Girl, I’m seriously thinking about it!!! I’ve been reading on all these sites about people who live full time in rv’s or campers. It’s a bit intimidating for me as far as how to operate everything, what with the generator, batteries, water tanks, propane, gas and all those things. It’s a lot to learn about. You want to be as self sufficient as possible. But, I’m reading up on it!
        I may need a road partner!!!

        • LuvMyGals says:

          Zoey – go to the site “RVing Women.” (No quotes for search) Lots of good info. I just have to figure out what to do with my DH now.

        • LuvMyGals says:

          One more Zoey! Go to the website “SistersontheFly”
          I’m there!

          • Zoey says:

            Going to check it out!

          • Zoey says:

            LuvMyGals, THANK YOU for opening my eyes to all the websites out there! Wow! I went to the two that you mentioned, then also Googled the same type of info, and it seems women are RV’ing all over the place! Lots of info, so thanks a lot!

    • Powell says:

      Her parents paid.

    • karrylyn says:

      me too!!!!! as to your last sentence!!!! Have fun, whatever you decide!!!!
      karrylin

  70. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    I have a comment in moderation-please do not release it-it has my email instead of my user name-thanks!!

  71. WindyCityWondering says:

    Aviva really doesn’t like Ramona because IMHO, Ramona does not allow Aviva to play whatever sympathy or attention getting cards she has in her deck. Ramona refuses to be bullied or psycho analyzed or judged by the fruitcake and Aviva doesn’t deal well with not getting her way.

  72. RealHousewifeVA says:

    Hi NMD, tomorrow can you have a poll asking “If you HAD to choose between the two, who would you pick: Richie “Mouth Breather” Wakile or Joe “Not so juicy” Giudice. (and no option of “neither”, lol)

    • LuvMyGals says:

      or how about C) having all your finger nails ripped out. If neither is a choice, BINGO.
      A survey of just having to spend 1 hour with one of them, in no sexual relationship way, is even disturbing!

      • rabblerouser2010R says:

        Wasn’t that the most ridiculous argument those two had, which of their husbands could get more women on the side. Good grief.

    • Zoey says:

      Eww, do we have to? Lol. Just kidding, I like the polls. But I could never pick Joe Guidice, even if he were up against the hairiest, sweatiest, slimiest, smelliest, snaggle toed, snaggle toothed, ogre of a man! Ever! Ya heard?

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