Bethenny and Jason Split / GG Gharachedaghi Claims Fellow Castmates on Shahs are Shady / Sister Wives Recap

Update:  Bethenny Frankel has announced Separation from Jason Hoppy

Bethenny has told the associated press that the couple has separated after three years of marriage.  Bethenny said that the separation brings her “great sadness.”

“This was an extremely difficult decision that as a woman and a mother, I have to accept as the best choice for our family,” Frankel said. “We have love and respect for one another and will continue to amicably co-parent our daughter who is and will always remain our first priority. This is an immensely painful and heartbreaking time for us.”

On her twitter feed, Bethenny just tweeted the following: “I am heartbroken. I am sad. We will work through this as a family.”

The announcement comes after weeks of leaks that the couple’s marriage was in trouble.  Reality TV viewers watched as this couple fell in love, got married, had a child, and went through their first few years of marriage.

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Shady Shahs? and Other News by NoMoreDrama

Tomorrow is another episode of the Shahs of Sunset.  This show is turning out to be a hit for Bravo.  Part of their success is timing – they are following the hugely popular Real Housewives of Atlanta, but I have to say that this cast is as crazy and over the top as any set of housewives and are holding on to the viewers.

gg attacks asaGG is part of the success. The girl is Crazy with a capital C.  She’s got the Gorga Switch.  You can see her trying to hold it together and the BAM she loses it.  In the second episode of the season, she nearly clawed the eyes out of castmate Asa. And last week GG got in a screaming match with her sister after her sister called her out for being lazy.

At least she’s slightly self aware.  Someone tweeted this to her on twitter: “straight to your therapist office cause u need a few mins on that couch lol no seriously…no-alcohol-4-U GG”  

GG’s response: “youre right. Ive been behaving and taking it easy on the booze. No more getting drunk. I hate watching myself drunk on tv. :(“

However in the same breath she almost bragged about her Crazy Behavior:  ““u ain’t seen anything yet honey. My story gets more weird and I look more psycho.” “

As the season is unfolding we’re seeing that Reza is hurt that MJ is continuously siding with  GG and not calling her out on her horrid behavior.  He confided to us in last week’s episodes that GG had tweeted vile things about him and MJ never defended him.  He was so hurt he decided to replace MJ as his business partner with Mike, and as his BFF with Asa and Lilly.  Needless to say MJ is pissed.

As for GG, she’s busy retweeting vile things about Asa now.

And her take on the rest of her castmates?  Lilly tweeted a photo of the cast getting ready for the Jeff Probst show.  Noticing that GG was missing, someone asked her where she was.  She explained she was in NY doing press and would skype in to the show.  The person said good – she didn’t want the rest of the cast to leave GG out.  GG’s response:  “oh they did their fair share of leaving me out!!! You’ll see how shady they are this season.”

Shady?  Maybe they just don’t want to be around Crazy with a capital C!

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Sister Wives Season 4, Episodes 5 and 6 by BB

The family is meeting to make some decisions about certain things for their four homes, like granite and finishes.  Meri has the most trouble because she has champagne taste on a beer budget.  Christine is under budget and Kody says Meri will have no trouble eating up her money.  Meri says she will not eliminate her French doors.  She will NOT have sliding doors.  She hates them.  On the discussion couch, Meri sits there and tries to rationalize her selfishness, while her sister wives remain silent and look everywhere except her.  I probably could not be so silent.

Meri’s dog Drake is old (12 years old) and sick.  I know where this is going.  They will have to make a decision about putting him down soon. Long story short, they take Drake back to the old place in Utah for his final resting place.  That’s all I’m going to say about this part of the program.  I will keep silent about whether I think it was time to put Drake down because I wasn’t there every day.

It’s really early in the morning and Janelle is going to the gym.  She tried to do it on her own but it hasn’t worked.  She has a new trainer, Sean, who she’s been working with for about a month.  She had been working out with the other wives, but seems to be doing better on her own.  She likes Sean because he works on the psychological part in addition to the physical part. She really wants it to work this time because her younger kids have become couch potatoes since they’ve moved to Vegas and she wants that to change.  She wants to lose 100 lbs. Good for her.  Janelle is my favorite of the four wives.

Christine has made a commitment to take the real estate exam for the second time.  She doesn’t feel like she has the “quiet” time she needs to study for the exam.  She says failing the exam the first time was one of many failures for her.

The whole family goes to the four vacant lots to see the ground breaking for their future houses.  Robyn says it’s been a long time since she felt like she had a permanent home.  Seeing it makes the kids believe it may be really happening and they will be happy to live next to each other again.

Kody says they have a lot of work still to do.  There is still no guarantee they will be moving into these homes.  I’m assuming they were approved to start construction but they still have to be approved for the actual purchase of the homes.
Christine’s daughter McKelsey wants to be a world class fashion designer.  Christine, Kody and Kelsey meet with fashion designer Jennifer Henry to see what goes on in the fashion world.  She has made a dress of cellophane for a location photoshoot.  She asks McKelsey if she wants to assist.  The model comes out in a bra and slip and Kody leaves immediately because he’s such a “gentleman.”  Oh, puhleeze.  They didn’t get to go to the actual photoshoot because it was so far out and they didn’t want to be in the way.  The experience reinforces McKelsey’s desire to get into fashion.

Back to Christine trying to study and pass her real estate test for the second time.  She’s upset that they moved to Vegas with the promise they would all be together and that didn’t happen.   Each wife has been maintaining their own separate homes away from each other for two years.  She needs the support of the other wives.

The day arrives for the launch of My Sisters Wives’ Closet, an online boutique.  The web designer is at Robyn’s house to launch the site.  They started this business because the start-up costs were so much lower than the gym they were thinking about opening. They go live and there are about 300 people onsite but nobody’s buying anything.  Meri was totally expecting for people to be purchasing immediately.  Some of the feedback they are getting is that the jewelry pieces are too expensive.  They got 28 orders.  They have big hopes for the business and they are depending on making money to get the four homes and to send kids to college.  Maybe it’s just me, but you’d better believe I’d know pretty much how I was going to pay for these four houses B BEFORE I started building them.  It’s hard for me to fathom the Browns banking their financial future on this on-line boutique.

Christine is leaving to take her real estate exam.  The rest of the family is going to hang out at the park to wait for Christine to tell them if she passed the exam.  She didn’t pass her practice test and they are nervously awaiting the results.  She passed.  On the discussion couch, Christine voices her frustration that she got no assistance while trying to prepare for the exam.  She feels like they are failing as a family right now.  Meri doesn’t think they are a failure as long as they continue to work on it.  Christine wants to ensure they are together in the four houses and that’s why she wants to make money in the real estate business.  She sees herself selling a house and getting a big commission check.  I hope Christine realizes that you actually have to get out there and hustle in the real estate biz, especially in today’s market. I hope she gets more support from the others while she’s trying to make a go of it.

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329 Responses to Bethenny and Jason Split / GG Gharachedaghi Claims Fellow Castmates on Shahs are Shady / Sister Wives Recap

  1. Powell says:

    Good morning everyone. Merry Christmas eve, eve. 2 more shots. 🙂 I hope you’ve had a great weekend. It’s a sunny morning, I hope you all having good weather. Iowagirl I hope you have your babies. Have a great day.

  2. Powell says:

    Miss BB I love the survey but I could’ve had multiple answers for at least 4 questions. I can’t wait for the results. Thks. 🙂

  3. LA Debra says:

    Great blogs! You know I work at Wiltshire & Westwood -not particularly relevant except that they call the neighborhood “little Persia”. They feel about Shahs, the way NJ felt about the Jersey Shore group. Not such big fans! I’m enjoying the show, but a little of the GG cray cray goes a long way.

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      I think she is crazier this season-didn’t she see herself last season?? tHESE REALITY FOLKS NEVER LEARN!!!!

    • LA Debra says:

      Wilshire. Silly iPad spelling god.

      • Called A Princess... says:

        I do not think that truly crazy people really ever see themselves. Really! Never. JMHO.

        • LaineyLainey says:

          Very true, CAP. This is part of why it is very difficult to keep them on meds and/or off of their addiction. Sobriety or being properly medicated forces one to face reality. Facing one’s truth can be very painful.

    • chismosa says:

      LA Debra— hello!
      I watched the Shahs when they all were on Jeff Probst last week (i dont watch him, wanted to see the Shahs)- and Reza said something and i believe him– that the Persians in LA look down on them because they are jealous and want to be on the show themselves and feel they would be even ‘better’ than these on the show. I feel like there would be that sense of jealousy /competition. No?
      Now, the older generations- the actual Iranians above 50 yrs old– they themselves probably are embarrassed.
      I just believe Reza for some reason that the other persians are just jealous. I could be wrong.

  4. Powell says:

    I like Shahs. I like seeing them w/their families, hearing about growing up, their careers. I want to see more of them working. It was eye opening to learn that ASA basically lives month to month whereas last season they led us to believe that she was independently wealthy, at least that’s how I viewed her. It’s good to see that GGs sis is expecting and her sis is right that GG is lazy. GG is over the top w/her explosive behavior and her every explanation that everything leads back to being teased in high school. The lashing out at Asa was over nothing. So either she’s being over the top for the cameras or she’s nuts and needs her father’s money reimbursed for the many yrs if therapy cause it’s not working. Maybe she’s going to Dr Sophy.

    • L.A. Chica says:

      GG isn’t in high school anymore, she needs to move on and accept responsibility for herself as a grown up. If she’s in therapy then good for her, but I hope it’s not with Dr. Sophy. 😝

    • GG’s father is enabling her, paying her bills, etc. GG’s sister was very jealous of that, asking him “who pays her rent, her car payment” etc. in the scene with the 3 of them. Then GG comes back to her sister’s house to pick up the father. As long as the father doesn’t see how he is enabling GG, there’s no hope for her. I think GG has a learning disability – she cannot process what people say to her in real time. It’s a hearing/processing info/communication problem. It must have affected her ability in school. I believe her father knows she has a problem, and that’s why he’s so supportive of her. He needs help too, so that he can handle GG better.

      • chismosa says:

        Very well said Blue Sky. She seems very Teresa Giudice in her listening abilities IMO.
        But i agree about the enabling. I wonder how their mother deals with all this. That mother was so attractive when they showed her last year at their anniversary party.
        I would be the sister. i AM the sister- i talk just like her, would be screaming at my father the same way, my voice even sounds like hers. ha ha..

  5. Iowagirl says:

    Where is detox? What’s up, I miss her.

  6. Laineylainey says:

    I feel bad for Mj. Reza is treating her so badly. In the preview for the next episode REza talks about having an armpit fetish. Ugh. I don’t find that cute at all.

    • VV says:

      Reza is totally gross. Only Andy and Ryan Seacrest would find somebody like that amusing.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        I liked him before this season. He’s been giving out more and more info pertaining to who he really is… it ‘aint pretty.

  7. Good Morning and Happy Christmas Eve, Eve as well!
    Great blog and fun survey! I had some multiple answers too and had to stop and consider a few.

    I hope everyone is a little closer to being ready! A few things to “wrap up” here and then bring on the holiday! I wish a safe, happy and joyous time for you all. 🙂

    Many Hugs and Blessings!
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  8. fly says:

    Bethenny announced that she and Jason are separated. So sad….

    • BB says:

      I’m sorry it happened, but it I’d be lying if I said I was surprised.

      • You read it in her face/mannerisms when she was on WWHL.

      • plainviewsue says:

        I agree BB. Very sorry, but not surprised at all. I don’t think Bethenny is wired for marriage. I read her book A Place Of Yes, and she’s had many broken engagements. I wonder if she and Jason would of gotten married if she hadn’t gotten pregnant with Bryn.

        I remember crying during her wedding and the birth of Bryn. I was so so happy for her and truly hoped she’d finally found her happiness in a good family that she had lacked for so long.

        I don’t know why the announcement couldn’t wait until after the holidays; so sad for Bryn. Will they spend it together? If Bethenny does her talk show in LA, which I believe that she will, what will Jason do? Of course we don’t know all the facts, but it seems that he sacrificed a lot for her. We all saw the way she treated him; it got to the point where I didn’t want to watch the show anymore.

        All I know is Jill better not make a statement.

    • LavaLady says:

      I’m very sad about this. I thought they would make it for the long term.

    • Kats2 says:

      So sad but there was so much speculation that this was happening you just knew something was up. I hate that the gossip rags were basically correct, but they were.
      there are things about both of them I like and dislike and I see an ugly divorce and custody battle looming. He probably wants to stay on the east coast and she wants the fame and life in LA that won’t be easy.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      Hi Fly – I hope Jason has a good lawyer i.e., I hope he is treated fairly.

  9. Bethenny’s tweet: I am heartbroken. I am sad. We will work through this as a family.

  10. wero says:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/23/bethenny-frankel-jason-hoppy-separate-reality-star-husband-separating_n_2356368.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment&ir=Entertainment

    LOS ANGELES — Bethenny Frankel and husband Jason Hoppy are separating.

    The 42-year-old TV personality, chef, author and entrepreneur told The Associated Press Sunday that the split brings her “great sadness.”

    “This was an extremely difficult decision that as a woman and a mother, I have to accept as the best choice for our family,” Frankel said. “We have love and respect for one another and will continue to amicably co-parent our daughter who is and will always remain our first priority. This is an immensely painful and heartbreaking time for us.”

    Frankel and Hoppy were married in 2010 and have a daughter, Bryn, who was born that same year. The couple’s courtship and marriage were documented in two reality series, “Bethenny Getting Married?” and “Bethenny Ever After…” Frankel gained fame as a star of “The Real Housewives of New York City.” Since her stint on the Bravo show, she has written four books, released a fitness video and founded her Skinnygirl line of cocktails, shapewear and nutritional supplements.

    She launched a talk show, “Bethenny,” over the summer that is set to air nationally on Fox stations in 2013.

  11. The 42-year-old TV personality, chef, author and entrepreneur told The Associated Press Sunday that the split brings her “great sadness.”

    “This was an extremely difficult decision that as a woman and a mother, I have to accept as the best choice for our family,” Frankel said. “We have love and respect for one another and will continue to amicably co-parent our daughter who is and will always remain our first priority. This is an immensely painful and heartbreaking time for us.”

    • Just Wondering In Jersey says:

      I hoped he had what it took to stand up to her. I had hoped they would make it. Makes me sad 😦

  12. AZGirl says:

    Wow that is so sad. Both Jason and Bethenny are good people and I am sure for the sake of Bryn they did the best they could. I am sure it is hard being the spot light of all the publicity.
    Second Born gets home tonight from Flagstaff and I cannot wait. He will be here for four days which is the longest in 2 years. He needs to be back at work Friday morning at the restaurant he works at. Snowbowl is open and the skiers are in town and they are hungry 🙂

    • LaineyLainey says:

      What happened with second born and his finals, AZGirl – – -I hope all those worries are behind you all. I’ve been thinking of you both. Sounds like a busy time. Our second born (recent graduate) leaves for Istanbul, Turkey tomorrow – to visit her boyfriend. Our first born arrives from NY on Christmas Day to visit for about a week.

      • AZGirl says:

        I posted on early a.m on the previous blog that FIRST BORN spilled the beans and let me know last night that SECOND BORN passed his class. I think Second Born wanted to keep it a secret and surprise me at Christmas.
        SECOND BORN texted me yesterday that he had gotten all “B’s” on his grades but was waiting for the last class to post (which of course I thought was the one he needed to graduate). Well watching tv with First Born he causally said “hey, Second Born passed his class”. I was like “ok”. Totally messing with my head these two boys. got to love them.

        • LaineyLainey says:

          Sorry, I missed your post about this? But I’m glad I know now!! That is so funny they way you found out. stinkers

  13. majnon says:

    I want to wish everyone the best holidays ever! I just took the survey, looking forward to the results.
    I am also sad about Jason and Bethenny. I really hoped it would work out.
    Again, best wishes for everyone.

    • sparklemuffy says:

      I did the survey too–thanks BB– I have burning answers—
      I feel most sad for Jason’s parents as we could see the writing on the wall from the very beginning. I think someone like B has a lot of Daddy issues and can’t just be happy. It will kill his parents if they have a huge custody battle. 😦

      • kit9 says:

        I love Bethenny. My fav HW of any franchise but it was painful watching how she treated his family. And, even his friends sometimes. He was a real catch. He wasn’t perfect but maybe too perfect for her. I mean how she would always talk about how tired she was of hearing how perfect he was, etc. Maybe she needs more chaos given her upbringing.. or maybe just someone as successful as she is.

        • plainviewsue says:

          In her book, she had said Jason taught her that it wasn’t about the money and things u can buy. I think Jason wanted a “normal” marriage. His parents seemed like a burden to Bethenny and it made me squirm.

          Another new topic to discuss for her talk show.

  14. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    So sad about Bethenny and Jason. I was so hoping the rumors were untrue. I hope she finds someone who loves her and all her flaws and doesn’t try to turn her into the woman they think she needs be.

    • Boobah says:

      Me too, JNNTJ. I really wanted those rumors and tabloids to be wrong – Jennifer-Aniston-is-pregnant-for the-20th-time, wrong.

  15. djprincessc says:

    I’m actually sad about the Bethenny and Jason split up, it’s so disgusting how the media won’t stop until a couple splits up like vultures, they’re never satisfied until they do.

    About Shas Of Sunset, I really liked Reza last season but this season you can tell its all gone wayyyyyyy to his head, he’s still funny but way too cocky and mean, I don’t like how he’s treating MJ. Same thing with Asa, she really thinks she’s the shit this season, idk cus she does look like a transvestite she really needs to get over herself. And i actually love Lilly, I know she’s full of herself but hey she’s hott, rich and has her own business…who wouldn’t be? I actually think she’s sweet.

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      HAHAHA-dj Asa does think she is the shit this season!!! The whole “Persian Princess” thing has gone to her head!! Reza needs to stop being mean to MJ-she is a mess on her best day and this is just making her messier!!!!

      • djprincessc says:

        She does and for what?!?!?!?!?!? She’s really immature to me, I had no idea she’s 35 years old until I googled her! I also didn’t know that she is dating Jermaine Jackson JR! What she’s so cocky about, I have no clue. lol. I agree about Reza and MJ its like he’s kicking her when she’s down and making it worse…thats not a true friend at all.

        • LaineyLainey says:

          ooohh…that’s good, DJP – he IS kicking her while she’s down.

          • djprincessc says:

            I think he is, almost like he’s pushing her to see how much of a mess she’ll be. Its pretty sad.

            • LaineyLainey says:

              Reza, of all people knows MJ’s insecurities. It’s a form of betrayal, the way he’s turning on her. He mentioned that MJ didn’t stick up for him when GG tweeted something mean about Reza. I wonder if he confronted MJ when it happened or did he just let it fester and now it’s all coming out.

              • djprincessc says:

                I know, it seemed kinda random like the way he blurted it out of nowhere, I’m surprised the media didn’t report on it. If Gigi said those things Idk how we didn’t hear about it sooner.

    • jezzibel says:

      I think that Mike is the dark horse of this series, he ‘s the only one who seems to make sure that he is using the show to get exposure for business, rather then showing his @$$, being drunk and a general menace to other restaurant patrons. I think that Reza and Mjj are just damaging their reputations as realtors in the long run, after the 15 min are over.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      I like Lilly, too, DJP – -oh, I agree with you about Reza – I posted up thread about what a meanie he is this season. I also think some of the things he has revealed about himself are “not cute.” (to put it mildly)

      Asa is not bothering me too much, so far.

      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        Reza turned into a real blabber mouth-he needs to get it together!!!

        • djprincessc says:

          Lainey I read what you posted above about Reza being mean and I agree, its going to be interesting to see if he stays like this or if after this season he tones it down, I have read comments on other blogs people saying that its gone to his head too, and how when he was on WWHL he was trying way too hard. We’ll seeeeeeeee 🙂

    • chismosa says:

      DJ– STOP THE PRESSES— i need to talk with you about Shahs, stat—- so if you see this here, let me know to continue in a new thread down below.
      MJ is dating a Jackson? WHAT????

      #2– Reza has gotten a bit full of himself, i agree, and Asa too.

      #3– I was completely on MJ’s side on the argument last week UNTIL Reza explained the issue with GG’s tweets or whatever. If indeed that went down just like Reza said, then i am on Reza’s side. MJ sticks up for GG way too much and my Psych 101 (minor in Psych) history tells me that MJ is attracted to a friend like GG because GG reminds her (unfortunately) of her mother. DERANGED lunatics. So MJ wants to coddle her.
      GG is toxic toxic toxic. She can be sweet but she has too many issues, i would cut her out of my life like Mike is going to do.

      #4– Lilly seems sweet, but WAYYYYY too much makeup and fakeness to her exterior that makes me think she feels she is lacking in some way. Why not just show the world your real face? your real hair? your real lashes? Why are you compensating? She’s far better to have on-screen rather than that lard Sammi. Sammi will be on tonight by the way.

  16. Kat from Ohio says:

    i’m so sad for B. i think so many of us–whether single or in committed relationships–related to her poignant storyline of wanting to have it all. she wanted it, so badly. and she wanted to overcome her troubled childhood and failed relationships. like many of you, i hoped she had, despite signs that all was not well. even if she and jason never reconcile, they have a beautiful child together and i believe they will remain great parents.

    i’m just really sad to see this split because i rooted for them so much.

    • LaineyLainey says:

      I can’t imagine co-existing on a daily basis with someone like Bethenney. I don’t dislike her. She is special. A little too special to live with on a day-to-day basis unless she consciously tones it down or takes a backseat so that those in her intimate inner circle feel that they matter, too.

      • chismosa says:

        Lainey! ha !!!! Special. Too special– you are SO funny.
        I am not a quiet little wallflower by any means and i would have major problems having B as a friend, sister, in-law, whatever. She is just TOO much. That is how i don’t get how her show will really succeed unless people take a xanax before watching every day.

        I don’t know how she has good friends who have been with her through the years. They must be so quiet, last-borns in their family, and just be able to have patience to see her heart through her crazy exterior.

  17. VV says:

    It was a matter of time for B & J marriage to end. I will probably get a lot of grief for saying this but Bethenny changed. She changed when she became a millionaire with Bean deal. She changed for the worst and now with her semi-celebrity status it’s way over her head and this woman is getting her own TV talk show? Practical what you peach.
    I lost respect from B due to the way she treated Jason’s patent and Jason on her TV show. Particularly, the last season.
    She’s very calculating – and please don’t throw cyber rocks at me – It makes me wonder how this whole Jill Z debacle really happened.

    • VV says:

      *damn you autocorrect!

    • djprincessc says:

      I think she did change in a way, not drastically though and I was kind of surprised she didn’t change more actually. But think about it…when you are dealing with that kind of money and businesses how does anyone NOT change. I didn’t like the way she spoke to Jason but from what I remember he would say really bad things to her, jus behind closed doors when the cameras WEREN’T around. He didn’t deny it either to the therapist. It takes 2 people, and I don’t know if he’s as innocent as he seems.

      • djprincessc says:

        The way she spoke to his parents was HORRIBLE though, it was pretty embarrassing. I wonder if they did things to her that we didn’t see. Who knows.

    • sparklemuffy says:

      I totally agree. I thought she was awful to J’s parents– mean under the guise of ” honest and transparent”. My husband makes be want to be a better person–ie: –he brings out the best in me. It seemed as B&J progressed they brought out the worst in each other.

      • VV says:

        I think at the beginning the relationship. She always viewed Jason and his parentts as beneath her socially. I think she thought she could train “him” at least. Ignoring the parents is how she dealt with his parents. Now with her new money and dealing with more sophisticated and powerful men. Perhaps, she started viewing Jason as not up to her “newly acquired” standards or not socially acceptable for her new circles. Yes, Jason had some money but there are degrees specially in such plastic society as NY and LA.

        • djprincessc says:

          Lol. Thanks, I live in Southern CA. VV.

          • Nancy says:

            Ya me too VV. dj, how should we handle this? lol I’ll call my attorney and I’ll
            get back to you.

          • VV says:

            Oh, c’mon! I’m talking about circles were the wealthy and powerful Hollywood crowd hangs. If you do run in these circles, PP you are the exception 😆 😆 😆

            • djprincessc says:

              Its ok VV I own the fact that I’m into myself, I was born and raised here so I had no idea how different other states were but yes LA we’re into ourselves and I kinda like it that way, I can walk down the street or shop on the phone and nobody is offended. ahahahha!!!

              • Nancy says:

                dj,
                You poor little thing. Just wait until you leave La La Land one day.
                It was such a culture shock when I moved to San Fran. The thought
                that I could go to the store without make-up on was so freeing.
                Now I’m stuck down here once again in La La Land. I better get used
                to it as my husband is months away from getting the job of his dreams.

                • L.A. Chica says:

                  I’m L.A. born and raised and I go everywhere without makeup! Almost everywhere—I’ll put some on for a special evening event but that’s it.

                  • Nancy says:

                    Well that’s good to hear. I’m sorry I shouldn’t be so harsh.
                    Parts of LA are absolutely beautiful but i do think the mind set is
                    different here re: money, cars, designer clothes. who you know…

                    • djprincessc says:

                      I agree Nancy, there are a lot of stereo-types here. In Torrance where I live its pretty normal but upper middle class so people are friendly. Its a nice family city, but if you start going up the hill to Palos Verdes then its pretty stuffy, really rich older people with old money, but I do know some nice families there. P.V. is kinda isolated though so you know that the majority of people who move there want to get away and not be bothered. Then if you start going towards the beach to Redondo, Hermosa and Manhattan its rich again but a different type of rich, more laid back and beachy with newer younger families but they are VERY into themselves esp. in Manhattan its all about who you know, look and cars. Its pretty funny actually.

                  • djprincessc says:

                    Lol. Nancy I’m sure I would be culture shocked the furthest I’ve been is Vegas bc my best friend and other friends live there. So here I am in SoCal in a little bubble, but thats ok. I actually can go places without makeup and I’m fine, quick errands though it bugs me more for my hair to not be done then to not wear makeup. My friends are WAY worse than me though, they won’t leave the house at all without makeup. One of my best friends recently had a little emergency and needed that Plan B pill not too long ago and I told her to hurry because it was the weekend and the pharmacy closes earlier if she was going to get it. Well, because she had just gotten out of the shower and had to do her hair she sent her sister to go get it for her!!!! My jaw dropped! I would’ve left the house regardless!! Its important…who cares!! lol But typical over here I guess.

                    • Nancy says:

                      I rest my case! lol Don’t get me wrong I have many wonderful memories
                      of living down here but I was one of those girls. I had to have the BMW and
                      the clothes and go to the best clubs etc. San Fran changed all of that and I
                      am much happier. I’m sure I’ll get my happy back it’s just going to take some time.

      • trudie says:

        My mother always told us her hope was that we would all marry someone who would make us want to be a better person.

    • plainviewsue says:

      Okay, you had me until you mentioned the whole Jill Z debacle!!! That sits firmly in Shrill’s lap and I will never change on that.

      However, I do agree that Bethenny changed, but then again, who doesn’t. But I also lost a lot of respect with how she treated him and his parents.

      But to her credit, I really did enjoy her talk show.

  18. VV says:

    I bet that’s the reason she didn’t let Jason have his man cave. B*tch!

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      Yes…but a smart b*tch!!!!!

      • VV says:

        Oh, absolutely. I think she learned early on in her stint at Martha Stwewart celebrity apprentice that companies used the shows to showcase their products. She was smart enough to start promoting herself and her failed cookies and baking business from S1. It was until after she started Skinny Girl that she took it to another level. Which brings me to another question. Skinny Girl was not her first product she chose to promote. The cokies were. She briefly mentioned to a waitres how to make a drink but never told Luann or viewers she was planning on mass producing it. I wonder if she was approached by her first partner about it the drink.

        • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

          Maybe she didnt tell Luann or mention it b/c she didnt want to talk about it yet? One thing you gotta give her is she is smart, driven and savvy as hell. Who was her first partner?

          • VV says:

            I did. It’s in my comment above.
            I was questioning if SG was really her idea 100% hers. There are still rumors on the Internet circulating that it wasn’t.

      • djprincessc says:

        Hahhahahahha Jill!!!

  19. Nancy says:

    I wonder why they are announcing this today? Why not wait for Christmas to be over?
    I bet someone was going to get to the press so she beat them to it. Very sad.
    I had a feeling her new talk show was going to be the end of them.

    • VV says:

      PR move. Right now people are shopping and not paying too much attention to the news. It’s kinda low key. This chick calculates everything.

      • Nancy says:

        When one grows up in a crazy family as Bethenny did it’s hard to find
        and keep a healthy relationship as it feels so foreign so they sabotage it on purpose
        without even realizing it. I wonder what her therapist will think about all of this?
        I have mixed feelings about Bethenny but my heart breaks for Bryn.

        • VV says:

          I honestly think that when she started dating Jason, she was doing her best to overcome her flaws and make the relationship work. This she could have accomplish with a lot of discipline and a complete focus on that goal. The Beam deal happened and she becomes instant millionaire. It distracted her and changed her for the worst. Selfish Bethenny was back.
          Those therapy sessions were a waste of time because at the time everything Dr Amador was saying was going in one ear out the other. Those sessions were fillers for TV show. Nothing more nothing less.

          • Nancy says:

            There is a reason Bethenny has to keep going in everything she does.
            Her mind can’t be quiet. Jason is the exact opposite. I don’t think her
            therapy sessions were just fillers though. People like Bethnny don’t/can’t
            change without years of therapy. I wonder what attracted Jason to Bethenny?
            This is why you shouldn’t get pregnant before you really know someone.
            I really do think they would have gone their separate ways if not for the pregnancy.

            • LaineyLainey says:

              I hope, as I’m sure we all do,… that for Bryn’s sake, they will handle this break-up as positively as possible.

              • Nancy says:

                Do you think they both wanted out?
                I have a feeling they will make Bryn their focus and not themselves.

                • LaineyLainey says:

                  I hadn’t really thought of it in that way, nancy…but yeah, I’ll bet they both wanted out…he probably wanted some normalcy and she probably felt that he was always criticizing her/ or not fully accepting her as she IS. Always hoping and wishing B was different.

            • VV says:

              Opposites attract, as cliche as that sounds. I totally agree with you Bryn kept them together longer but thought Jason could have help her out work some of her issues. I thought they complimented each other very well on their strengths and weaknesses. Money and Fame changes people. The minute she sold SG she also modified her prenup with Jason. I understand her trouble childhood, she’s played and played that card too long. Grow up get over it and move on enough. It p*sses me off because the “damage” person is going to have a TV show. What kind of credibility is she going to have when she advises people.

              • Nancy says:

                I’ll be very surprised if her talk show lasts.

                • VV says:

                  It don’t think so either. Now, she’s wealthy and famous, I’m sure she’ll have tons of men lining up to date use her, I mean date her.

              • sparklemuffy says:

                How bizarre was that prenup modification? who does that? I kept thinking, would I have signed that–uh–nooooo. How rude. I’m trustworthy enough to marry and have a baby with, but not with my $$$. really?

                • Nancy says:

                  That’s how I feel too.

                • VV says:

                  The minute she signed that deal with Beam. She flipped a switch and became her old self. It must have been a pretty hard thing to take for Jason when she asked him to sign the modified prenup.

                • chismosa says:

                  this is SO messed up. How did i miss this modification? Was it mentioned on her show? Bitch be crazy! haha.
                  ‘Selfish switch’— it went on, you said it.

                  • LaineyLainey says:

                    I missed that too (the pre-nup modification). rude. That would have been the proverbial straw for me.

          • chismosa says:

            VV i agree completely about the therapy/ the Beam deal/ everything for tv. Spot on girlfriend.

            • VV says:

              Gossip!!!! This is why we have so much fun on this board. We agree on some shows and disagree in others…but always respectfully 😆

    • Iowagirl says:

      Probably a big blow up about the babies Xmas plans.

      • Now she doesn’t have to visit her in-laws or go to Hazleton. I was wondering why she was taking vacations with Bryn without Jason. To me , that was strange. Her in-laws were nice people. I hated how B treated them. Imagine, they just wanted to see their son & grandbaby once in awhile. It was too much for B. Maybe she’ll understand in the future, when Bryn is grown up & has a family, what family really means.

        • chismosa says:

          and unfortunately Bryn is going to grow up with divorced parents (hopefully having an amicable even warm relationship going forward for Bryn’s sake)– and that in itself will give Bryn problems in her relationships with men. Maybe her problems will be very minimal but in itself she will have been one to grow up in a **broken** home.

  20. Mene Seela says:

    This might be old fashioned thinking but I truly believe that Every Man needs to be the King of His Castle.
    In other words when the man feels emasculated the relationship is doomed

    • Iowagirl says:

      I agree with you 100%. My ex and I were doomed when my year end bonus was more then he made in a year. He never could be happy about it, always telling me I didn’t have to work like he did.

    • djprincessc says:

      I agree. I’m really independent so I relate to Bethenny but I noticed in previous relationships I was TOO independent which is what basically ruined the relationships, Men need to feel needed or helpful and if you act like you don’t need or want them they will find a woman who will. The smart women are the ones who make men feel like they are the ones in charge but really the women are. I need to pay more attention to that. haha.

      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        dj-you need to find a man who is comfortable with himself and then you dont have to worry about who is in charge!!!

        • Nancy says:

          Exactly.

          • djprincessc says:

            I’m always in charge!!! hahahahah!!! It never changes! lol. You guys are right thats why I’ve been single for a long time now, I know there are men out there that are secure enough to be with a woman who knows what she wants. So in the meantime I just do my thing 🙂

            • Nancy says:

              dj,
              Stop looking and he will appear.

              90% of the ER doc’s lived in Manhattan Beach. Oh the parties they had.
              That’s all I can tell you though. LOL

              • djprincessc says:

                Nancy you’re right. I’m not looking really, I would like too but I really am focused on building my business and am nowhere where I want to be so thats my main concern right now. It’ll happen when right. Omg Nancy Manhattan Beach has some of the hottest guys there!! I can imagine the parties, the homes are gorgeous, thats where I ultimately want to live. Its gorgeous and I love the vibe.

                • Nancy says:

                  dj,
                  How is that co-worker treating you? They were good looking back then as well.
                  Their parties were wild. Those were the days. lol

                  • djprincessc says:

                    Ohhhhh haha! I was like coworker?? Ohhhhh man, last week he actually asked me to help him with the bulk mailing that I do, I mail out a newsletter every month to this area I focus on and he’s never done it, so we set up a time to go over it. We were supposed to meet not this friday that just passed, but the one before that. I hadn’t seen him that day and was talking to his mom and she made me text him!! I didnt want too, but she put me on the spot. Long story short I was leaving the office when I text him and he said since I was leaving that we could do it another time because he wasn’t feeling good. So that was pretty much it, I didn’t work all last week and hardly will this week either so I’ll probably see him after the new year. I wanna marry him. Hahhahahahahaha!!

                    • Nancy says:

                      Oh…do you really? I’ve been there myself a few times. It’s the pits.
                      The thing is…maybe you would feel differently if you really knew him.
                      Sometimes our brains play tricks on us.

        • Katie (aka kats2) says:

          I love your comment Jill, it’s so true.

    • chismosa says:

      Mene, i commented on this before reading your comment- and i agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY. Emasculating hurts the relationship, no matter what. I’m very Wendy Williams on that idea. No matter how independent and fabulous and bread-winning we can be.

  21. I’m not going to do a chat blog tonight. I’m in the middle of things and don’t want to take the time to set it up. Please carry on chatting here. Thank you!!

  22. VV says:

    I wonder if Jason is being bombarded with publishers for a tell all book. I wonder if this will be a quick divorce or a lengthy one. Control freak that Bethenny is, this will probably drag. However, I don’t think Jason is gonna let her run all over him.

    • Kat from Ohio says:

      i actually think jason will respect that bethenny was self-made. i don’t see her being too stingy with the father of her child.

      • VV says:

        She said she would be generous on several occasions if she and Jason were to divorce. Well, lets see if she was just giving lip service or not. As far as custody of Bryn, she’ll probably give Jason all the visitation rights, vacation, holidays extras and etc etc and then she’ll move to LA….Oopsie! Sorry Jason, is my job and I have to move blah blah blah.

        I think Jason will be a gentleman through this. It will all depends on how she treats him during the negotiations. If she’s nasty he might retaliate.

  23. princesspindy says:

    Wow, big shock, Bethenny and Jason, didn’t see that one coming, oh wait, I did…. As far as a man needing to feel like the King of his castle…. He just needs to THINK he’s in charge, lol!!! If he wants to to think that, okay by me!! Bethenny is a bitch, period, and Jason showed he could be a whiny bitch, wow, big shocker that it didn’t work out. Her treatment of his parents was appalling. If she hadn’t gotten pregnant they would have never have gotten married and he would have just been another ex-boyfriend.
    My gravatar is Bethnenny’s mom, she’s not surprised either.

    • VV says:

      HOLY CRAP! THAT IS BETHENNY IN 10 YEARS AT THE PACE SHE’S GOING!!!!

    • chismosa says:

      Hi Princess!! I live for your gravatars, at first i was like — omg is this what she looks like- theni realized who it was!! ha haaaaa! I don’t think B will look like this, as i think B looks like her father, so she will age verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry differently. Her mom really looked like Michelle Pfeiffer younger with a rounder /squarer shaped head.
      I agree with most of what you said though i’m not blaming Jason’s ‘whining’ because i think a lot of the times he had valid points. To B’s ears it was ALL whining.

      She used him/ got her baby/ dump. I think CAP has said this about B all the way. Ramona called it— things won’t work out with Jason. Ramona is never wrong, ha ha

  24. BB says:

    I don’t think Bethenny needs/wants to be married right now. I think she is happy when it’s just her and Bryn and would be satisfied having someone to maybe date steadily, travel with, etc., but not marry and live with. For now at least or maybe she should never marry; it wouldn’t be the end of the world. For Jason, I hope he finds someone who shares his values and ideas of what he envisions a family should be, someone who grew up similar to the way he did, who is more compatible and doesn’t have all that emotional baggage that Bethenny has. It’s not her fault. I think Jason got caught up in of of it a little and went in not thinking it all the way through. Not taking sides here; these two were just not meant to be together.

    • plainviewsue says:

      BB. Perfectly summed up.

    • sparklemuffy says:

      ooh I forgot about the episode when they visited his hometown and she was so catty/snobbish under the guise of being truthful and funny —- like she was visiting Honey Boo Boo’s friends.

      • Nancy says:

        LOL That was funny!

        • sparklemuffy says:

          hey Nancy– can’t believe you moved while I was MIA– I don’t dislike Bethenny, just feel horrible for his parents. They are normal people who tried to love her. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree 😦 We all know what happens for her in 20-30 years. No one will love her like that family would have. Sad.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            well said, Sparkles.

          • VV says:

            That’s the irony of it all. Many saw it she didn’t. Jason’s parents are good people.

            • Nancy says:

              Very good people. Do you think they both wanted out of the marriage?
              It’s sounds like that she was the one that wanted out.

              • VV says:

                To put up with that Lunatic, yes I think he wanted it to work. I also see her pushing and pushing until she gets her way or wears him out.

                • Nancy says:

                  Me too. Her mind stays on all the time. Notice how she doesn’t listen as she’s thinking
                  of what she is going to say next. That’s why I don’t think her show will last very long.
                  She makes me nervous whatching her.

        • djprincessc says:

          Nancy couldn’t reply to you up there. You’re right, I don’t REALLY REALLY know him but what I do know about him I like. For some reason we had/have an instant attraction to each other though. I mean, the very first time we ever saw each other we started laughing for no reason (weird, in my head I was like why am I laughing at this guy? And wait why is he laughing at me?? lol.) And for the longest time anytime we would see each other we would randomly start laughing. No clue why. But for now we are just acquaintances, he’s pretty young and has a girlfriend. I just keep doing my thing and whatever will be will be 🙂

          • Nancy says:

            (((dj))) We need to come up with a way for you to meet guys other than your work.
            That never ends well. Trust me! 🙂

            • djprincessc says:

              Awww its ok! I’ve never dated anyone I worked with before and I don’t think I would normally bc I know how it can end, but this is kinda different since its not a normal job, there are times when agents don’t come into the office for months. I think the longest I’ve gone is a month without going in, so I’m not too worried about it. I change my mind all the time so who knows how I’ll feel tomaro or the next 15 minutes! lol.

              • Nancy says:

                I’ll keep you in mind if and when we will be looking for a house down here. 🙂

                • djprincessc says:

                  Awww how sweet of you Nancy. Thanks! It would be my pleasure! You might move again? I thought you moved from San Francisco to Thousand Oaks. Or maybe I read it wrong.

      • VV says:

        LMAO! True. However, I saw it more like she was embarrassed that this is where her husband was from. She’s very insecure in that regards. It’s that social status thing with her.

      • L.A. Chica says:

        I didn’t see that episode (and several others) but if Bethenny behaved that way then that is awful. Jason parents, as has been said, are really good people and I’ll bet their friends are, too. I can’t stand snobbery like that. It reveals a warped sense of values, imo.

        Bethenny was always a favorite on RHNY and I enjoyed watching Bethenny Getting Married, but that is so not cool.

    • Cartwheels says:

      BB, I agree with this. Love is very important in a marriage and I do think that Bethenny and Jason loved each other, they were just not right for each other.
      Opposites attract and Jason’s normalcy probably attracted Bethenny to him, while Bethenny’s wildness atracted Jason to her but it was not meant to be.
      I have the feeling that there is a lot that hasn’t been said but has been sutlely implied and one of those issues is money and power.
      BTW Jason signed a pre-nup, he was the one who wanted the modification and Bethenny couldn’t do that not for herself as much as for her partners in all her business who didn’t want to take a chance that a nasty divorce would affect them as well.
      In her second BEA Bethenny mentions several times that she doesn’t understand why he wants to modify the prenup and that if they ever divorce, he would be very well protected but of course not with 50% of her assets and that Jason was resentful of that.
      I thinlk that probably was the beginning of the end, Jason is just not use to be in a relationship were the woman is in charge because that is not what has been the norm in his life, Bethenny is not use to be in a relationship were another person is in charge because she has always has to fend for herself.4
      At a conscious level we all understand that, but instintively it is hard to give away what it is within your confort zone.
      I am glad that the announcement alludes to the fact that they will co-parent because I think that they both would be wonderful parents. When it is not meant to be and it is making you more unhappy than happy, then it is time to let it go.

      • chismosa says:

        Wait, Cartwheels- when did Bethenny talk about adjusting a pre-nup? She talked about this? He helped her COMPLETELY when handling the Beam deal. What a selfish nutjob if she doesn’t pay him his due.

        And sorry, i dont care what anyone says- emasculating is bad for a marriage. I’m sorry, i’m not married but i just think it causes all problems.

        • Cartwheels says:

          It was at the beginning of second season, she alluded to the fact that their arguments were based on the fact that Jason wanted the prenup to be modified and her partners (specially Mr. Kanbar) were completely against it because there were a lot on stake. Bethenny said it in front of Jason and he didn’t corrected her.
          He didn’t help her at all with the BEAM deal , who was in charge of that deal from beginning to end was David Kanbar, he was Bethenny’s partner when Bethenny was trying to pitch her drink. Jason is not and has never been as instrumental in anything related to the Beam deal at all, he has never had any input as to the selling of it. Bethenny already had the cocktail recipe before RHNY, she even mentioned that this is why she decided to make it into the show, because she wanted to promote it and needed the platform, we are talking season 1, season 2 she had already partner with a company to showcase the drink on the RHNY but David was looking everywhere for a company that would work with the distribution at a bigger scale, this is when she hasn’t even met Jason yet so how can he be instrumental in any of this that he didn’t even know existed?
          Jason helped her to find out where the problems in the distribution were and it is because the first company that was producing the cocktail had understimated the demand of the product and they didn’t have enough to respond to the demand.
          Jason’s help came at the end of the game, just few months before Kanbar made the sale to Beam, but this was a deal that was already in the making.
          Jason is a pharmaceutical sales man, how in the world anybody figures that he had anything to do with the deal with Beam baffles me, he could had never. Kanbar on the other hand has been involved in the liquor industry for many, many years. He was Bethenny’s partner and rightfully so when the sale was over, he asked to be paid upfront his 50% of the deal, he took his money and moved on to other projects, that is what he does for a living.
          Bethenny on the other hand, being the face of the cocktail, had to set up a benchmark payment, Beam paid for the cocktail but also for Bethenny promotion of it, that is why her payments are scaled and based on sale. The more Beam sales, the more money she gets. They have a long term partnership that will expire in 6 years now and that is when SGC would be just BEAM and not more Bethenny.
          I agree that emasculating is bad for marriage, I just happen to think that Bethenny was upfront about her digs at him while he was passive aggresive but equally lethal.

          • chismosa says:

            Gotcha Cartwheels sorry. I see what you’re saying regarding J not helping so much. I had not realized this drink idea (Bethenny’s ? Hmmmmm)- was in full motion WITH BEAM , BEFORE J got in with it with Bethenny. Was not familiar so thank you.

            I think everyone views the back and forth of J and B differently, it’s all subjective and I know J is no saint by any means but IMHO I am still team J.

            • Cartwheels says:

              I am team Bryn if there is any team to take sides.

              I think that Jason knew that the sale was coming but he never expected to be this huge deal, when the money was a fact, he just didn’t know how to cope with the fact that Bethenny suddenly had became this millionaire and there was so many decision to make that did not include his input, He felt pushed to the side but I think that this is the reason why Bethenny wanted him to become her partner, so he could have a direct input instead of just offering of his opinions.
              I am hopeful of the fact that they both will do their best for Bryn and that Bethenny will be okay, I know it must not been easy for her to go through this public divorce.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            OMGosh Cartwheels – that is so good. You know, just when I think I’m firmly on one side, one of you super effective communicators will post something and then.. I think “hmmmmm, that makes a lot of sense.” I do appreciate you going through the timeline. I loved this. “her upfront digs…while he was passive aggressive “. Yes, both are equally lethal to a marriage.

            • Cartwheels says:

              I hate passive agressive digs, they cut deep. I hated the fact that Jason stroke at Bethenny lowest points telling her that nobody will ever love her, telling her that she was unlovable, a person who really loves you just never says those things no matter how mad you are. Jason next to Bethenny is a sympathetic character, that is true, but as usual I am not the one to side with a person just for that reason.
              I think Jason would had been happier had he married a girl from his hometown, he needs the validation of being the king of the house, as many have said before me.
              I just happen to thing that there will come a day when a succesful woman can also be consider the king of her house without resoorting to strike a man’s ego to feel like she is being a good wife. It takes a very strong man to deal with a succesful woman, on the same token it takes a very strong woman to deal with a succesful man.
              My hope is that the day will come when women will be validated as equal as man in the financial world, that nobody will accuse them of chosing business over family just because they are ambicious. My hope is that one day a woman would dare to be sucessful without having to apologize for being so.

              • LaineyLainey says:

                Preach, sister! I share your hope, Cartwheels.

              • chismosa says:

                “he needs the validation of being the king of the house”//// i just don’t think i am going to hold that against Jason. I know it looks like i’m miss 1950s but to me that’s an ingratiated male/female thing since we were living in caves. I don’t think it means women can’t be that accomplished and wonderful all on their own. It just has to be somehow understood that a man truly does want to be master of his domain or whatever, in whatever sense of the word— and if you are a smart enough female, you can make your husband feel that way, regardless. These two concepts have to be able to co-exist– successful, unapologetic women, AND men staying in their antiquated ways of thinking in the home. I’m sorry but i don’t see this changing. Women are the smarter sex and so we want to change faster but it will not happen that way, sad but true.
                ——————————————————————–
                I don’t think Bethenny was up to that task, or gave up. I fault Jason for thinking he could marry Bethenny to begin with, it shows lack of judgement, but i think the pregnancy drove it home. He is a devout devout catholic.
                Bethenny has nothing to apologize for, i just dont find her attractive as of about 2 years ago or so. I have many other very very famous, self-made, loud brash women that i find much more attractive to me. It’s subjective how people view B i think.

                —————————————————————————————
                As for the passive aggressive thing- i don’t know what to trust in terms of editing and of Bethenny screaming at Jason to ‘admit you told me this last night’ – ‘Jason didn’t you NOT just tell me this………——-‘ so that whatever Jason may or may not have said, was shown on camera so Bethenny didn’t come out looking in the wrong.

                Bethenny is AS or imho, MORE aggressive than whatever Jason can muster up ‘passive’ aggressively. And IMHO some men don’t want to be aggressive and outward with women. It all ends up too dramatic and we see how dramatically Bethenny reacted to certain situations, so maybe he had to put things a certain way so as to avoid meltdowns as they seemed to happen often with Bethenny. It seemed to be very tightrope-walking with her on many emotional issues. How does one deal with that?
                Or maybe being straight out with her didn’t get the message straight to her so he needed to try different tactics? I don’t know. I just, as the viewer, would not compare Bethenny’s words and actions- (no matter how the editing is because i’ve seen her on live tv and know how she is)— to Jason’s ‘passive-aggressive’ things.
                Passive Aggressive is the new black these days it seems! lol

                ——————————————————————————————————-
                Jason- not perfect, i get that, however i don’t know what his major major issues were? That he was not married by his age? So many men are not married by that age nowadays. The ratio of men to women in manhattan is like 1:4. Jason could afford to have taken a very long time to marry. B was lucky he wasn’t locked down at the age she found him.
                So now she lucks out with a kid that luckily got his good looks and has his personality. Lucky for Bryn with that passive personality she will be more able to cope with crazy Bethenny as her mother.

                Bethenny- clearly not perfect, but less ‘issues’ than she likes to say she has. It helps her image to say “”‘even me!’ could do a, b, c, d— so you all can too — viewers!””
                Even many posters here have issues 2 or 3x as bad as what Bethenny has ‘suffered’ from and never ever put blame on that or use it as their crutch. JMHO

    • chismosa says:

      BB i said this the other day, exactly. B is not one to ‘get married’. She should just have her fun little relationships, she’ll want to rule the men anyway- Madonna-style- and it won’t work for any man who has any sense of self.
      She is happy parading pics of her and Bryn doing all cutesy things everywhere. She got what she wanted – a daughter. She can have her little ‘single’ mom crap forever now and align herself to ‘working’ moms and ‘single’ moms everywhere– a whole new angle to get into. yuck.
      I happily take sides, without saying Jason is perfect.

      ps every single person has emotional baggage. If you don’t, you’re not human. Bethenny likes to inflate hers.
      Psych 101

  25. contessa says:

    I always feel bad about failed relationships of people that in some way we have come to like on TV and think that we know. In this case I hoped they would make it. Someone above brought up an interesting point….Bethenny thought she could take Hazelton out of Jason, and make him the cosmopolitan New Yorker. She hated Hazelton and made fun of it and his childhood friends (made me cringe) and she was truly mean to his parents. Jason is their only child, and Bryn their only GD, would it have killed her to go there more often? Would it have killed her to have them come to NY more often? Absolutely not. Bethenny is broken, but that doesn’t mean she can’t be patched up. A lot of us are broken and have some heavy stories to tell from growing up. I know I do, death of a mother at 15, father remarried 6 monthes later to a widow with 3 children-I was an only child, father becoming an alcoholic and I always felt like an outsider in the family (stepmother very ill-equipped, as was Dad to deal with stepchildren and melding families – this was in the late 60’s). I look back and wonder that I didn’t turn to drugs or alchohol, but I always knew my late mother loved me as did my Dad, even though he was broken at the time. There are a lot of stories out there that are as bad as Bethenny’s or worse, and it is time for her to stop with the broken person who doesn’t know how to deal with relationships – it’s getting really old. She should look at the positives of what all this gave her – the drive to succeed, and financially she will never have to worry and neither will her daughter.

    I am not going to cast blame here, as it has been indicated that Jason was not as perfect as he was made out to be and he basically admitted it as well. Perhaps he wanted a very conservative marriage, and face it when married to a very wealthy woman it doesn’t quite work that way. I understand her protecting her assets, and hopefully she will give a lot of consideration to the financial aspects of this divorce with regard to Jason and make it as equitable as possible, as he seemed to be very helpful to her during all the business stuff. I don’t know what I would do in the way of prenups and postnups if I was a very wealthy business woman, but I do know it must be a very slippery slope to climb for both parties. I will say one thing – she should have let him have his man cave and figure out another solution for the closet (she sure had enough designers there). Hopefully they will respect one another throughout this time and the divorce will come about quietly, that is my hope for their child Bryn. Jason will remarry and probably have another
    child, to someone who will better fit his view of marriage.

    • Nancy says:

      Throwing in the towel after 2 yrs seems wrong to me.

      • djprincessc says:

        Me too Nancy, at least try 5 years, unless someone was abusive. IMO.

      • chismosa says:

        Didn’t B always tell the viewer and in her books and stuff that when things went wrong in a relationship – SHE RUNS? Like, word for word she said that. So…… hmmmmm.
        Way to change Bethenny.

        • djprincessc says:

          She did, thats what stopped her from actually getting married before. Remember she was engaged 2xs I think and couldn’t go through with it.

          • chismosa says:

            and also i believe, while married to one, RAN to his best friend while still married. Anyone can correct me if i’m wrong but i believe that is what she says in her book

    • chismosa says:

      exactly, my issue and i said this in a previous comment here weeks ago, is that Jason was so instrumental- as seen on edited Bravo tv footage- in the arrangments of the Beam plan and $$$ so i can only imagine how much $$$ he will be due because of this. I hope he makes out what HE RIGHTFULLY DESERVES.
      My other issue i have, which i also mentioned before is his time with Bryn. Bethenny seems to ALWAYS be (solely) with her so i hope he fights and FIIIIIIIGHTS for more than adequate time for her. The kid looks like it’s just his anyway (just kidding- but she looks NOTHING like her mother)

      I dont think Jason is perfect, AT ALL. He clearly was not perfect in correctly assessing if he should have been with B to begin with. I think he liked the challenge of her.
      I am just so disillusioned with B right now so this just adds to it.

      I wish Jason a lovely new marriage and 4 more beautiful children, and perhaps a son too!

    • Mene Seela says:

      Contessa. I agree with you.
      I don’t think it was the SkinnyGirl millions that brought this couple down. I think it was Bethenny’s drive to have her TV show. The hours, the cross country move are just not family friendly activities.
      Bethenny appears to dote on Bryn but never Jason. Bethenny is fixing her childhood by being supermom. That is stupid on her part because the very best thing she could have done for Bryn would have been to have a harmonious intact home – with a DAD.

      • contessa says:

        Mene Seela, Excellent observation, with all going on Bethenny’s life and being super mom left little time for Jason. The number one thing is keeping the home fires burning in a new relationship/marriage as the first years are the hardest. Nancy upthread said they should have waited and I agree. I understand Bethenny’s drive, but come on sometime you have to stop and breathe and smell the roses. Just as a man should make his wife/gf feel important, so should a woman do so in turn. I got tired of every little thing being a huge issue. Sometimes it is just better to let the discussion to rest, can’t have therapy talk for every little detail. I have come to the conclusion that some people don’t know how to be quiet around one another, which to me is the true comfort level of two people. Enjoying the silence of each other in warmth and love.

    • Cartwheels says:

      I am happy that Bethenny had a prenup to protect her assests and I am sure that she will be more than fair to Jason but the fact is that Jason wasn’t even in the picture when Bethenny started promoting SGC which is her main source of income.
      It is also fortunate that the Beam Deal was set up to be paid on a long time term (8 years aprox.) this probably means that some of the income would have to be splited but not all of it.
      I often think about how if Bethenny was a man this would not be happening, it would be expected of her “spouse” to be suportive even to the point to quit his job, most high level executives are workaholics and the wives are a SAHM and this doesn’t seem to be a problem.
      It is obvious to me that our society as modern as it seems really has double standards for when it comes to the perception of proffesional men and women. The women are held to a much higher standard where not only the income earned is a great plus but they are also supposed to be the complacient wife and the wonderful mother, guys on he other hand are mainly expected to provide the income but nobody would dare to ask them to even think about quitting their job to fit the mold that the other partner expects. It has been suggested many times that Bethenny chose her job before her marriage and with that I disagree.
      She has been doing nothing but stay at home since August and that obviously has not make the situation any better, the problem is the view of marriage that Bethenny and Jason have, this is not only Bethenny’s failure, it is also Jason’s.
      I agree with you about Jason probably wanting more babies that Bethenny couldn’t give him , he is still young so I don’t doubt that his next marriage will be with probably a much more laid back woman, hopefully one who shares his views of what a husband and wife roles are.

      • djprincessc says:

        Cartwheels this whole summary has my 100% approval, I couldn’t agree more. I hate the double standards when it comes to men and women with business. If Bethanny didn’t have a prenup or alter it people would be calling her stupid. Remember when Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey divorced? She had no prenup and lost quite a bit of money and people did call her stupid. lol. They had also been together a long time, a lot longer than Bethanny and Jason and I don’t remember people saying he should get credit for helping her and Jessica Simpson has a billion dollar empire!

        • Cartwheels says:

          The funny part is that Bethenny did consider the modification thinking that this eventually would make him feel happier and secured, but it was her partners who had an issue with the modification, Jason didn’t take that well and Bethenny started getting suspicious about why he was so adamant about modifiying the prenup and that is when their issues escalated. Jason was honest enough to admit that he was resentful of the fact that Bethenny was more succesful than he was jelousand that her level of success didn’t happen to him.
          At the end I think that considering the circunstances, Jason would come out of this marriage with a beautiful girl and a whole more money that he would ever had been able to make on his own.
          I am happy that Bethenny was not “stupid” and followed her partners advice and has an iron clad prenup.

        • chismosa says:

          But DJ when did the Jessica Simpson co. become in the billions— that was not happening when she was sitting on the couch eating chicken from the sea. So i don’t know when that was all happening for Jessica

          • djprincessc says:

            I don’t really remember, I know she had a few things going on besides the music at that time but I don’t think she had that huge empire like now. I do remember reading that her dad and business people were freaking out because she was worth SO much more then him though, she probably just had shoes at that time or was starting to come out with them.

    • chismosa says:

      Contessa, loved your 1st paragraph, wanted to say since i neglected to. And also, Jason was their surviving son. They lost their eldest son- the grandmother never had a daughter- so i can only pray that she gets great time to see her granddaughter Brynn.

      I can’t stand Bethenny’s issues- just like you said— there are people who have TONS worse. Contessa i’m sorry for what you went through and i am happy you are at a great place now in your life.
      Bethenny grew up VERY privileged and well-off, i know the town she had her sweet 16 rented out party at- it was a nice huge party- she went to a very nice privileged school in Florida. She lacked for nothing but emotional stuff that many MANY out there want for.

      Like Joy Behar/ Fred Armisen says ‘who cares?’—

      i wonder how this will affect her fan base of her new show. No wonder she was begging Andy for a weekly sit down talk show with him on Bravo to tide her over until her show comes back next fall.
      Her team probably chose to announce this now so as to let it simmer down by the time her show starts, when she will most likely be a divorcee and not a freshly-separated woman.
      Smart moves management.

      • Nancy says:

        I thought the exact same thing when she said that to Andy. I knew there we big troubles at home.

        • chismosa says:

          when she answered Andy’s question to how things with Jason were she did the Teresa Giudice nervous tongue roll along the upper lip thing, so that’s how i read her poker face as a lie.
          I mean i think with all gossip Nancy too, if magazines talk about something for weeks or MONTHS on end, there has to be some part of it that is true. I suppose? ? ehhh who knows. ha ha

  26. chismosa says:

    Hi everyone reading, down from up so i have to catch up but I CALLED IT! from months & months ago i knew this divorce was coming, and like every good publicist knows, you release big information during the holidays. Team Jason all the way…………….!!!!!

    I also ‘called’ GG being Teresa from NJ a few blogs ago, so happy everyone sees that too– not just the ‘switch’ that goes off but her lack of understanding people talking and explaining things in front of her. Love it i’m having a good month! ha ha Thanks as always for the blogs NMD! Merry xmas to you and your family.

    Wanted to wish everyone here a happy and blessed Christmas if i dont see anyone tomorrow or Tuesday on here, i will read to catch up on any ‘talk’ during tonight’s shows.
    Has Detox returned???, i miss her! Hi DJ, Lainey Lainey- hope you two are well, and EVERYONE else. Merry merry!!!

    • LaineyLainey says:

      I’m good, Chismosita!!! I’ve been emailing Detox – no reply yet. She’s probably just really busy. I do look forward to hearing what she’s been up to. I hope you are doing well, too!!! Have a Merry Christmas Eve and a Merry Christmas Day. Take care, doll!!!

      • chismosa says:

        Thanks Lainey, i’ve been doing slow blog, catching up from like weeks and weeks ago on my phone, and then when shows come on live- i come on and comment since everyone talks/dissects, i can’t believe there are new shows tonight, i’m quite glad. Surprised Bravo didn’t hold off on Atlanta but i guess they assume everyone will tune in tonight.

        I miss Detox! ha ha, would LOVE to hear her talk on the Bethenny/Jason issue! ha.

        Merry merry to you and yours Lainey xxoo in case i don’t ‘catch’ you again.

  27. RealLVhousewife says:

    First of all, I know I don’t post all that often but I want to wish all of you Happy Holidays!! Now, for those of you that follow the Sister Wives, I’m here to report that we just saw Kody leaving the new houses and driving a U-Haul. I guess you can safely say that they are moving into the new houses. And I KNOW your all jealous because I actually saw “Clown Hair” in all his glory!!

  28. Nancy says:

    GO 49ers!!!!! Game is about to start. I’ll be back in a few hours.

  29. djprincessc says:

    I just read some comments on Radar online that they finally split bc of Bethanny’s eating disorder. This is all just regular people commenting but who knows maybe true?? Here’s the link for you all to read for yourselves.

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/12/bethenny-frankel-jason-hoppy-split

    • LaineyLainey says:

      dj, i haven’t read the link you posted, yet. But have you ever known someone who struggles with bulimia/anorexia? One of my sisters struggles with both. She’s got a handle on it now. For now. But she is not pleasant. Now, I’m not saying that all people with disorders are unpleasant; I’m just saying she is the one person who I’m close to who deals with this…and she is not pleasant. She CAN be ok, she can fake that she’s chilled out and stable…and then BOOOOOOOM!!! Emotional and Rageful and hateful explosions!!! Any little thing will set her off. She internalizes everything; she sees that as a virtue…”I don’t let things get to me. I can ignore this or that.” But when the pot gets full and boils over….WATCH OUT!!!! Take cover, y’all!!! Because I’ve witnessed it so so many times, I’m literally afraid to be around her. Even when she is not actively living an anorexic or bulimic life her personality is the same. Scary.

      • sparklemuffy says:

        I don’t think J would leave his child if that were the case–? —

      • djprincessc says:

        No I actually haven’t, I’ve watched movies about it and read some things about it but never personally. Eating disorders actually intrigue me since I’ve struggled with weight my whole life and never suffered from a E.D.

        So are you saying you agree or disagree that she suffers from one? I think it could go either way not sure. That makes me sad about your sister…must be so hard 😦

        • LaineyLainey says:

          oops Sorry DJ: I actually wasn’t weighing in on whether or not B suffers from an E.D., I have a hard time believing she suffers from either because she is so upfront/in your face/outspoken with her thoughts and feelings. caveat: I am completely unqualified to diagnose. Not sure why I went off on my tangent re: my sis; I guess I just thought about how hard it is to get along with her.

          • djprincessc says:

            No worries. Thanks for sharing! I just wasn’t sure if you though B had one or not, I lean more towards yes just based on her appearance but of course I don’t know for sure.

            • LaineyLainey says:

              YOu know, it’s a fine line. Skinny or Eating Disorder? It’s hard to tell the difference. My daughter is a model and she is very thin. When she was a little more…um…curvier she didn’t work as much (i.e. she wasn’t booking a lot of modeling gigs). She started doing yoga and running (on top of her already active lifestyle – she’s a dance teacher); lost about 20 pounds (and lost her butt) and now she books jobs like crazy. Her doctor just gave her a complete physical and told her that she’s underweight and while she wasn’t going to pressure her to regain the weight she asked her to STOP losing weight. Enough is enough. My daughter said that she really grilled her and made her answer a questionnaire that was clearly an E.D. tool. Her doc told her that she had good muscle tone and her mouth/teeth looked healthy, eyes shiny, hair shiny and healthy…so no e.d. diagnosis. But she was clearly concerned. BTW – my kid is 5’10” and weighs about 125 pounds. The models she works with are as tall as she (or taller) and weigh about 115 pounds!!!

              • djprincessc says:

                Wow most def Lainey! Thats crazy about your daughter, its nice her doctor really went over everything with her, most doctors now ignore and just want the money! I agree about it being a fine line, my mom was 90 pounds while pregnant with me, she had no eating disorder just super super skinny, I saw pictures of her when younger and she was bones! She even told me how she was sooooo embarrassed about being so skinny that she would not go to the beach and wear a swimsuit! Most women now die to look like that! My mom is short though only 5’2 5’3 so she couldn’t really model at that time, not like now where its more diverse. I wish I would have inherited her metabolism….I’m 5’6! lol. Your daughter sounds gorgeous! I’m sure she has all the boys after her! haha! Tell her curves are good though and she’s 5’10, they’ll be baby curves on her! 🙂

    • chismosa says:

      Interesting DJ. I don’t care what Bethenny says about ‘oh i just eat a little of everything but not a lot’— i dont think she eats period. I really really don’t. She is lucky to have such a broad face (!!) because if her face was smaller her thinness would show on her face and it doesn’t.
      She has to use the ‘eat right’ mentality / schtick as it is one of the things that got her famous in her books. She can ‘relate’ to her fans with food stuff.
      Plus she said she had eating issues years ago, and imho once you have an eating/ alcohol/ drug problem— -it does not magically go away. It’s with you forever.

      Thanks for the link.

      • djprincessc says:

        Yessss Chismosa! I agree!! I don’t think anyone looks like that from eating just a little of everything, idk! Like I said I have struggled with my weight my entire life and by eating small portions or a little of everything I don’t look that thin! I know we all have different bodies though. I also agree with it being a lifetime issue. You’re welcome for the link, when I read those comments I was like “wow…kinda makes sense??”

        • Nancy says:

          dj,
          She still has a problem!

          • VV says:

            Maybe the girl is always grumpy cuz she doesn’t eat. That makes a lot of people grumpy … Just sayin’

            • chismosa says:

              Especially if one decides to not eat carbs! lol

              • djprincessc says:

                Oh god yes, no carbs is the most horrible thing in the world. I do know she is raising Bryn Vegetarian.

                • VV says:

                  I hope Jason’s parent let her eat meat when she goes and visits them. Hee-Hee

                  • djprincessc says:

                    I don’t think Bryn will eat it!! I remember Bethanny saying something to the effect of she tried to make her and she wouldn’t so she just stopped giving it to her and was raising her vegetarian. I think the biggest payback for B is that Bryn looks just like the mom and we all know how B feels about the parents. lol.

                  • chismosa says:

                    Don’t want to get into a whole political meat eating thing but I really hope Bryn gets some animal protein in her system. That is just shady. She is a toddler for god’s sake.
                    But I’m a super O blood type so I would die before going veg., my body craves protein too much.

  30. BB says:

    It’s time for those HOTlanta ladies! I don’t watch, but y’all have fun.

  31. VV says:

    Bethenny didn’t have any assets prior to marrying Jason? By her own admission she barely had any money to pay rent month to month!

    • Cartwheels says:

      Bethenny didn’t have major assets but she has partnerships for her different products, by the time Bethenny and Jason met Bethenny met Bethenny had already published her two best seller books, has been in two season of RHNY and her cocktail drink was already being produced and distributed, the one who didn’t have any assets at all was Jason hence the prenup.

      • VV says:

        Carts, Jason is/was on real estate. I believe it was mentioned on the show that he owned two apartments in NYC that he was leasing. He didn’t have major bucks but neither did B at the time. Her star was on the rise but she was working hard for it and he was next to her supporting her. Neither of them knew at the time how big the sale would be.
        My understanding is that aside from his real estate properties, he was/is a very successful sales rep for a pharmaceutical company. Again, to paint him as somebody who didn’t have anything going for him is just not true.

        • chismosa says:

          VV that is something that annoyed me TO HIGH HEAVEN, how either the media, the viewers, and/or Bethenny painted/ paint Jason as not really having a ‘career’ figured out in his life when he was a successful person before Bethenny came steamrolling into his life.
          (yes, i believe they were both truly in love)

          I have friends in pharma business as reps and they make TONS of money, i’m talking hundreds of thousands a year— (to me, that’s a lot)– along with real estate in Manhattan==== Jason was not this poor little pauper with no goals in life before he met B and decided to ‘help’ out a little with Beam deal. The deal was Bethenny’s i get it- but she kept making it look like the guy had no career and no prospects in his life. She kept pushing and pushing him about what he was going to do, just like she was pushing Jason #1 in season 1 of HWs about moving in together/timeline, when that Jason said he didn’t want to discuss it right then and there. This Jason was fine before Bethenny and he will be fine after Bethenny.

          If he was just maybe deciding what to do in terms of working with B or not in her business going forward, that’s a different story.

          She very well knew she wanted to move to LA in the long run, she should never have bought and made that apartment from the ground up if she had no intention of staying there. She wants to flip it for a great profit and move the hell out of NY. Jason better get equal visitation as i think he will stay east coast.
          I think she is not being honest saying her show will tape in NY or she is saying that because she is going to be forced to stay in NY to film and live since Jason will fight to keep Bryn in NY for equal visitation purposes. I think it would be easier for her with Ellen’s production team & the new production team, to do the show from LA. I think she may be stuck in NY OR she will sell the NY apartment in JayZ and Beyonce’s building and leave and go to La La land. My prediction.

        • Cartwheels says:

          I never said he didn’t have anything going for him, I said that compared to Bethenny he was on a much tigher budget. Bethenny started RHNY almost broke but then her products quickly took off, she even moved to a bigger apartment. It is true that Jason was in real state and he was leasing two apartments but I have never heard him say that the apartments were his, for all we know it could had been his clients.
          The fact that David Kanbar pushed the issue of the pre-nup tells me that he knw a messy divorce would interfere with his stake in SGM. It is a fact that Jason was resentful of her financial succes as he has said that himself, he also said that he was resentful that success didn’t happen for him and he was jelous that it happened for her.
          I think that as long as they were in a sort of equal level, Jason was okay but as soon as the big sale came into place and he quickly realized that he won’t see anything ofthis sale in the event in the divorce, he started to be resentful, unlike Bethenny who talks about her issues adnauseum, Jason just threw his passive aggresive digs and made Bethenny feel inadequate. The whole season 2 of BEA is about how Jason would be a different person alone with Bethenny than what he projected to the world, Jason admitted this himself.
          So in summary it is my opinion that the demise of this marriage is not only Bethenny’s fault, Jason also had demons that he didn’t wanted to deal with.

          • LaineyLainey says:

            Unless there’s infidelity…it is wrong to blame only one person when couples break up.

            • Cartwheels says:

              I don’t think there is any infidelity going on. They both admitted that their issues are more of a trust issue.

          • VV says:

            You know those talking heads of Jason saying that about resentful. I get he feeling he was being ask a questions that in a way he had to word the response that way. Some sites have Jason assets listed at $5 million at the time he met B. font know if its true or not. I also recall he had a lot of money put in for retirement and that was an issue for him if he quit to go work for B ( this was part of the story line)
            Bethenny was executive producer of her show. I’m sure she used the show to start making the case for her divorce. Divorce has been on her mind for a long time.
            In my opinion, Jason didn’t want his personal business broadcasted on national TV that is why he was so resentful.

            • Cartwheels says:

              There was no talking head in that dinner in Cancun, it was Bethenny and Jason talking face to face when Jason admitted that he was resentful of her success and jelous of the fact that at his age it hadn’t happen to him.
              Jason was resentful mainly of the fact that he didn’t feel his opinion regarding her businesses were taken in consideration, Bethenny numerous times had told him that if he wanted to really have an input then he should make the big jump and work for her, so at least he would have a position in the company, this sort of advice was given on esporadic basis and of course dismissed by B’s partners because Jason really was not working for the company, he was only Bethenny’s husband.
              Jason understood this but was reluctant to leave his job because it mean something of his own and I don’t blame him for that, it is obvious that it was his best decision, but he also has to take accountability for the fact that he chose not to be part of Bethenny’s companies and stop with the digs about his advise being unappreciated.

              • VV says:

                Yes, there was a talking head of him after that scene unless we are talking about two separate incident or scenes. Who knows the truth of what happened in Cancun. You have that intern Maggie terrified and quitting working for B during that “vacation trip” Who knows what she saw or heard that made her tail gate out of there on the first flight out. B is a difficult person to deal with. Now she will be even more in the spot light all her flaws will be more scrutinize. She better be prepare for what is coming her way.

                • Cartwheels says:

                  I agree that she is a difficult person to deal with, she has always been yet Jason married her. Jason refused to go to counseling with her and said that she was the only one with the issues, he has many , many issues as well. I think it is great that she doesn’t have any reality show going on right now so she can deal with this painful episode of her life as privately as possible and then her talk show is 8 months away, by then paparazi would had move to a better and bigger fish.
                  As I said before I don’t think either Jason or Bethenny were prepared to deal with the issues that the money from the sale brought, Jason probably felt dump and taken advantage of by having signed that pre-nup that protected any and all incomes from the Beam sale and Bethenny was just not expecting that loving and supportive Jason was going to be so tortured about it and just didn’t know how to make him feel better and more secure.
                  Money can be a blessing but other times it can also be a curse.

          • chismosa says:

            Cartwheels, sorry in my wording- i never meant to imply YOU–i think many viewers felt that Jason had not much going on when i think that is SO off base. To own in Manhattan- if he said that- he owns them- he can’t have clients or in the pharma business have these (unless, was he in real estate? If so, completely different story) – so if he owned them, he owned them. That is gold in Manhattan. Well, nowadays, 2-3 years ago- NOT! lol

            Just IMHO i can’t compare Jason saying he felt a bit resentful towards Bethenny with
            Bethenny badgering him about what he’s going ‘to do in life’ and her emotional meltdowns and clear disrespect for his relationship with his parents, even belittling how close he was to them. She never saw the emasculation she was doing and i fault her, not him with stating that obvious fact to her. She did not empathize with him. She thinks of #1.
            But that’s just me.

            I don’t see these “demons” that Jason has, and i try to read everything in their mannerisms and in the colorful editing. but JMHO. If there were real demons, we’d know them by now. Jason is a class-act, and his parents are evidence of that. JMHO!! 😉

  32. If you haven’t filled out BB’s housewife end of the year survey, here’s the link:

    http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/WCWWX87

  33. Kat from Ohio says:

    thanks to those i talked to following my surgery (breast reduction).

    i’m feeling GONE WITH THE WIND FABULOUS! i know i’m young to be having this surgery (22) but i’m already so glad i had it done. I’m still swollen and in a little pain but I’m moving around great. I lost 5 pounds of tissue after surgery an went from a G cup to a probable C. and to think those wives like Alexis and Kim Z. are trying to get that big? smh

    • djprincessc says:

      I’m speechless! And here I am wanting to get my boobs done!! lol. Good for you!!

    • Nancy says:

      Hi Kat,
      I’m glad you are doing well and that you like the results.
      What a relief, eh? 🙂

    • TexasTart says:

      Kat, thanks for the update! I’m glad to hear you’re doing okay and feeling real good about the change you’ve made! Really, I don’t think age matters much….my thinking is the sooner the better you’re not having to carry so much around is all the better for your back. Take care.

    • KTinCT says:

      Wishing you a speedy and “as pain free as possible” recovery, (((((Kat)))))

    • LaineyLainey says:

      I don’t think you’re too young!!! I am so happy for you!!! I would have loved to have it done as a youngie. I’m still hoping to get a reduction one day. I love that you’re feeling well…er…I mean GONE WITH THE WIND FABULOUS!! You obviously didn’t love any of your sense of humor. 😀

  34. Cartwheels says:

    OMG, I am LMAO
    The guys in the bus, completely unemotional, just chilling and Peter is killing it with his description of the girls.
    The girls are a mess argjuing back and forth.
    I swear that if I was on that trip I would had partnered up with the guys and left the girls to discuss their issues. LOL
    Nene is killing me with her one liners. 😀 😀

  35. VV says:

    Bethenny posted this:

    “Thank you all so much. You give me so much love, and I am so grateful. It feels like your words could get someone through anything.
    Sent 35 mins ago
    From Twitter for iPhone

    • Kat from Ohio says:

      😦

    • chismosa says:

      i want to view ALL the tweets mentioning Bethenny. Not just positive ones to her- i have to find that somehow on google.
      People’s comments are funny

      • chismosa says:

        People magazine i mean

      • VV says:

        The tweets are mostly positive. I read how messed up B was because she named her nanny the Legal Guardian of Bryn of something happened to her and Jason. This is the kind of crazy poor Jason was dealing with.

        • chismosa says:

          wait i thought she named Veronica or Vanessa- -the pretty hispanic makeup artist friend she had— as the legal guardian. Remember, when they were walking around in Mexico— ?

          B seems to have no major great friends in her life, it’s just so sad. But at what point can i feel bad for this 42 year old woman? How do you not have good strong friendships at that age?

          • VV says:

            Yes, She’s the part time baby sitter not the full time from Tibet. Remember when that boat ride debacle/story happened, Bryn was with that girl you’re referring to above.

            What about Jason’s family or friends for that matter?! Where they too much Honey BooBoo for her taste?!

        • PJ says:

          You have to have both parents permission to name a legal guardian, so poor Jason had to agree to it.

    • Cartwheels says:

      She has said in one of her tweets that she is very sad and I believe her. I think that she hold onto this marriage longer than she should just because of Bryn.

      At the end of the day I think they both love Bryn immmensely and they will be the best parents they can be. I just hope that their legal issues are kept in private and they can have a much more cordial relationship as parents than what they had as husband and wife.

      • chismosa says:

        I hope that since Bethenny doesn’t know the true love of a father, she will make sure Bryn does not lack for that. She seems to relish doting on Bryn alone.

  36. djprincessc says:

    Ok Chismosa I’m going to respond to you down here so we don’t have to go up thread. I’m pasting your comments so I can answer appropriately. lol.

    chismosa says:
    December 23, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    DJ– STOP THE PRESSES— i need to talk with you about Shahs, stat—- so if you see this here, let me know to continue in a new thread down below.
    MJ is dating a Jackson? WHAT????

    #2– Reza has gotten a bit full of himself, i agree, and Asa too.

    #3– I was completely on MJ’s side on the argument last week UNTIL Reza explained the issue with GG’s tweets or whatever. If indeed that went down just like Reza said, then i am on Reza’s side. MJ sticks up for GG way too much and my Psych 101 (minor in Psych) history tells me that MJ is attracted to a friend like GG because GG reminds her (unfortunately) of her mother. DERANGED lunatics. So MJ wants to coddle her.
    GG is toxic toxic toxic. She can be sweet but she has too many issues, i would cut her out of my life like Mike is going to do.

    #4– Lilly seems sweet, but WAYYYYY too much makeup and fakeness to her exterior that makes me think she feels she is lacking in some way. Why not just show the world your real face? your real hair? your real lashes? Why are you compensating? She’s far better to have on-screen rather than that lard Sammi. Sammi will be on tonight by the way.

    • djprincessc says:

      #1. Did I write MJ was dating a Jackson?? If so I’m sorry if I did, I meant ASA! Asa is dating Jermaine Jackson Jr! Jermaine Jackson’s son! Weird I know! lol. I read it I think on Realty TV. I’ll look for the link.

      #2. We agree, me no likey and it sucks cus I was such a Reza fan 1st season! I still think he’s funny but needs to get off his pedestal.

      #3. I agree, but at the same time I feel bad for GG only because he parents never got her the help she truly needs and here she is at 30 out of control with rage. Not fair to your kids to ignore or minimize a problem in my opinion. My aunt does that with her kids who are younger and they are a mess and the youngest is going to have SERIOUS issues as a teen/ adult.

      #4. I can see how one would think that, but I do all the things she does just not as over the top as her and I don’t have the fake boobs (yet!) haha! or any plastic surgery which I’m not opposed to but later in life, oh and I’m not rail thin in the slightest!! hahahahah!! I wear and do all these things because I love makeup and its fun changing the way you look! Thats just me though, not insecure because I can go out of the house with messy hair and no makeup and be fine. Who knows though with her she might have insecurities. She does live in that part of SOcal where everyone looks like that! I would never go shopping to the grove or BH or even OC if I wasn’t put together! lol.

      I like Lilly because eventhough she’s into herself and really superficial she seems really sweet too, and I love that she was trying to give MJ a chance when she had every reason not too. Most girls that look like her wouldn’t have even acknowledged MJ existed! lol. And I love that she has her own company even if they are tiny as hell bikinis that I could never wear!! lol.

      • chismosa says:

        Hi DJ- I thought Asa was saying months ago that she was dating a “white” guy. All the other cast members kept on her about that too, so that’s why I remember it. Jermaine Jackson’s skin cannot be white, right? Haha. But, she may have broken up with the original “white” BF.

        We will have to discuss more after tonight’s episode!!!

        • chismosa says:

          His “SON” not skin. Omg sorry auto correct !

            • chismosa says:

              Wow I litra–lee heard them all say she was dating a very white guy. So maybe they were intentionally making the guy sound white. Why do all these Persian girls and Kartrashians get attracted to dark men? I am like the only brunette with olive skin who likes polar opposite to me lol.
              It’s so incestuous to me to be attracted to people of my exact coloring. I could never get it. Like liking my brother or something. Haha

              Thanks DJ for the 411

            • chismosa says:

              Wow I litra–lee heard them all say she was dating a very white guy. So maybe they were intentionally making the guy sound white. Why do all these Persian girls and Kartrashians get attracted to dark men? I am like the only brunette with olive skin who likes polar opposite to me lol.
              It’s so incestuous to me to be attracted to people of my exact coloring. I could never get it. Like liking my brother or something. Haha

              Thanks DJ for the 411

              And Asa looks much better with long dresses. She has short stumpy legs or is very long waisted or something. Long is good on her.

              • djprincessc says:

                I have no clue about them! Im olive skin brunette too and I’m going to assume you’re hispanic as well bc of Chismosa! lol. I’m like you, I prefer white guys, I’m always attracted to them first, then hispanic, then black. I’ve always wanted to date a black man though just haven’t found the right one. Oh and I love mixed black men too! But idk what the obsession with them is like those girls? lol.

                I don’t think Asa’s problem is her body, to me its her face. hahahahahha…Yikes!!

                • chismosa says:

                  Poor Asa, but she keeps it real at least. She has tons of hair, she is blessed- unfortunately i feel for her hair issues because if i let mine grow as long as hers, it’d be the same. I dont find her completely unattractive. She looked lovely at the meeting with the Diamond water guy. She needs to calm down with the Persian embellishments. A few are great, but not so much eyeliner + eyeshadow + blush + gloss. Just 2, or 1!

                  I am hispanic but consider myself white -racially speaking, since my family is originally from spain and then greece, so i’m Mediterranean if we’re going ‘racial’ talk. I never consider myself not-white, ethnically i consider myself hispanic. But that’s just how i look at it. If i had indigenous blood in me, i’d be indian/hispanic, if i was afro-hispanic i’d be black, etc…. I just come completely from Spain/Greece bloodwise so i trace myself as white. That said, give me a 6’3 blonde blue eyed German any day of the week. yum.
                  ha ha

                  We all prefer what we prefer… the world is so funny

                  • djprincessc says:

                    Thats so funny you say you consider yourself white. I was pretty white. I’m 100% hispanic born and raised in socal. My mom was born in Honduras and my dad was born in CA but is 4th generation mexican. Thats why I am attracted to white men, I grew up around mostly whites and asians, I remember growing up my moms side of the family always made fun of me because they said I acted or spoke like a “white girl.” I do consider myself hispanic though since I am mixed, I actually lean more towards Honduran because of my mom, my dad doesn’t speak spanish. So when people ask what I am because they can never tell, I always say hispanic and explain who’s what, people usually think I’m asian and white. lol.

                    P.S. I’ve always wanted to go to Greece, Greek food is my absolute fave, and I love the culture…oh and the men too! hhahahahahah!!!

                    • chismosa says:

                      gotcha DJ, you have, IMO a more diverse Latin background than mine- my mother is just out and out south american- and traced directly to two cities in spain- so – it’s only my 1/2, you are full 100% latin. — my dad is the greek.
                      Yes, Greek men are very handsome. My brother is a “God” according to all the women and friends i have and friends of family.

                      If you were blonde and blue eyed i’d set you up with him, he is going to move to San Diego some time in his future (i have some family there)- and i know you are in Cali. For some reason, i think he is attracted to the same ‘coloring’ as i am– fair/ light. It’s so odd!?

                      My brother is the sweetest, kindest, highest-character of a guy. We are completely completely OPPOSITE in personality- he is very quiet but he has personality. But i always warn him he will wind up with a loud mouth because that is what he grew up around. Ha ha!
                      I truly think he will. He can’t be with someone quiet.

                      Oh and pps: in peru, where my mom is from- that country has tons of Japanese, Chinese, etc.– (that is why we are considered to have the best cuisine of Latin America, it’s a ‘blend’ of foods, African/ Asian/Spain, etc…..)— but the Asians who are Peruvian/Asian really just stick out as Peruvian Asian.
                      However, i feel that there are many Hispanics who can ‘look’ Asian. You never know, you may have had some long ago Chinese or Japanese relative who emigrated to Honduras or even Mexico. They all emigrated to Peru so i’m sure there are some in other Latin countries!
                      But seriously, i do see Latin girls who look ‘asian’-y it’s something with the eyes. You’re not asian, but you just look it. You can satisfy men’s Asian fantasies then, ha ha! So many men fantasize about them, ughhhh

                    • djprincessc says:

                      Hahahahhah!!! I’m sure your brother is gorgeous, almost every Greek man/woman I’ve known is! Where do you live? Because yes I’m in socal.

                      I’m sure I have some asian in me from way back when on my moms side. She has told me also that her fathers father so my great great grandfather told them he had spanish ancestors, something to that effect. So who knows? A lot of people think my mom is filipino, she’s one of 7 and its funny because only 1 other sister and brother look asian as well, they have the slanted almond eyes. My mom and her sister more than her brother actually. The rest of her siblings look 100% hispanic. I also had an uncle (by marriage) who was from Belize and his last name was Chan. lol. A lot of hispanics have asian and indian in them.

                      But yes men do have weird fantasies about asian women, it’s funny that you say that actually because there are like 3 men in my office (white men) who are OBSESSED with asian women! They do not try and play it down either! One of them even refers to his wife as my asian wife! The other one is dating a filipina woman and the other one the very first day I met him said he thought I was asian and went on and on about asian women which was really really creepy. I think or I should say I know he goes to the Philippines all the time and buys women (he didn’t exactly tell me but others did) and he wants to retire there. Like I said I was creeped out. I don’t get what the big deal about asian women is? hahahhaha!

                  • djprincessc says:

                    I was raised pretty “white”****

  37. Kat from Ohio says:

    ahhh i remember that she and jermaine seemed very cozy last season. they’re a really cute couple!

  38. VV says:

    Why is Boy George on Shahs of Sunset?

  39. Nancy says:

    A very bad day for the 49ers! It’s going to be a long week in this house. 😦

  40. VV says:

    I can’t find on the net where Jason wanted prenup modified. Was it his or her idea to have it modified after the Beam deal? I keep on bumping into the same Radaronline story that was picked up by many other news outlets. I’m on my phone – limited capacity 😦

    • chismosa says:

      yeah VV i don’t remember this crap either. But i trust those above ^^^^ that say it happened. Kind of crazy!! Modified pre-nups?
      Well, Bethenny always knew she ‘runs’ from relationships, so i guess she wanted to be prepared.

      • VV says:

        It isn’t so much that I don’t trust it. I like to verify the info. We know that Bethenny plants stories on the press. I remember reading about it early in the year, but now with the divorce finally happening. I wonder if she was covering all her bases from back then.
        I just don’t see him asking to have the prenup modified. I, on the other hand see her totally asking for a revised prenup once she signed the Beam deal.

  41. VV says:

    Brandi tweeted:
    @MohamedAHadid did @YolandaHFoster tell you the good news?? Ur adopting me for Christmas eve!!! 🙂

    Mohamed replied:
    @BrandiGlanville @YolandaHFoster so happy to call you Brandi Hadid. And can’t wait to see u tomorrow

  42. boston02127 says:

    Each week something new comes out on the Shahs. MJ lied about her age. Diamond water girl is and has been dating Michael Jacksons brother. Mike’s mom says he isn’t a go getter, last season he acted like he was such a hot shot. The whole show is a hot mess. Last season I really like Reza and thought he was funny. This season he’s rude and snotty.

    Sister Wives, I’m getting tired of their story. They’re pretty boring. I want to know about their sex life. Does HairDad have sex 4 days week, once with each of them? Has one been left out for a while? Have they ever gone to bed together? 4 weeks in most months, does each wife have him for that week? Have the first 3 wives ever slept with anyone else? I want to know!

    • djprincessc says:

      Not Michael Jackson’s brother, Michael Jackson’s nephew! Its Jermaine Jacksons son! lol 🙂

    • LaineyLainey says:

      Gurrrrrl….you said what I have been thinking/wondering all along. Tell us about the sex!! I don’t freaking care about who does the grocery shopping, who is sticking to their goll-durned budget for the new house…tell me who is doing who and how often and wait for it…do they ever have orgies?????!!! Are ya’ll screaming with laughter? good. I am. LOL!!

  43. boston02127 says:

    Well, it’s after one and I’m done. I finished shopping today (nut house out there) and have wrapped and wrapped and baked and baked. It was nice when I go home and was wrapping with the tree lite but after a few hours, it lost that cozy feel.

    Good night all.

  44. contessa says:

    Chismosa, what you wrote below (did a copy/paste)

    i wonder how this will affect her fan base of her new show. No wonder she was begging Andy for a weekly sit down talk show with him on Bravo to tide her over until her show comes back next fall. Her team probably chose to announce this now so as to let it simmer down by the time her show starts, when she will most likely be a divorcee and not a freshly-separated woman.
    Smart moves management.
    Funny you brought that up as I thought something was up when she said that to Andy. It would be a perfect gig for her, discussing and breaking down the housewives. I think that would go way longer than a talk show (which are now a dime a dozen). You are right I think there might be a long term plan or discussions are underway here.

    I hope she stays in NY so Bryn is close to her Daddy. Whatever they have going for them together is one thing, but please keep it together for that beautiful little girl. I am wondering if Jason was the one that walked out, are we all assuming it was Bethenny, well it could very well have been Jason saying enough as well. It is not easy to be married to a woman who has such a high profile and so much money, for many men. JMHO. XXOO

    • chismosa says:

      i think it’s a gig that, about a few months ago in the throws of her talk show preview- she would not have touched with a 10 foot pole. But nowwwwwwwwww—– she needs to keep in the public eye (and good graces??)- until next fall. So i don’t know if she would have done this weekly ‘chat’ , which would be similar to Kathy Griffin’s show (which i love, and i don’t even love Kathy G. as much as i used to years and years ago)– and this other caustic comic Whitney Cummings’ show. A weekly ‘chat’ about what is going on in reality tv, of which of course Bravo is sort of a queen of.

      Daytime talk shows with one host/hostess are not doing well. Groups are where it’s at. I don’t see B fitting in with the ladies at The Talk or The View. But then again, Bethenny is besties with Andy>>>> Andy is besties with Julie Chen (ughhhhhh, married to the owner of CBS 😦 )>>>>> maybe Andy gets B to be on the Talk. But if Chen couldn’t handle Leah Remini, she can’t handle Bethenny.

      I hope for the best for Brynn and Jason and ultimately that Bethenny gets into REAL true therapy not just for cameras. She is not made for marriage and shouldn’t try it again. IMHO

  45. BB says:

    Happy Christmas Eve! Let the fun begin! I was just watching the Today show and Kerri Walsh (the olympic beach volleyball gold medalist who played while she was pregnant) just found out, on air, that she’s having a baby girl. That’s neat because she already has two boys.

  46. Cartwheels says:

    VV , I remember it from episode 1 or 2 of BEA last season. I can’t find the online episode but Bethenny does mentioned it in front of Jason and he didn’t corrected her. She mentioned it as it hadn’t happened yet, but looking online , just like you the only thing that I could find was the article of Radar Online and I think they are just not reliable at all , but the article talks about it as if the modification has indeed taken place.
    The original pre-nup was signed by Jason and didn’t give him absolutely anything related to the SGC at all, by signing the pre-nup he relinquished to all his claims on any profits from the product or the sale. I am thinking that Jason once the sale was done and realized how much money it involved was upset that he would not receive anything at all and if it is true that the “slight modification” took place it means that in the event of divorce he would receive 5 million dollars from SGC , is that all he would receive? I doubt it as Bethenny had many more ventures, but I also think that the prenup was very especific about what he can and can’t receive.
    I haven’t found any way to post the two first episodes without having to sign for some sites that I don’t want to sign but if anybody can, please do. I know it is not on youtube.
    Contessa, Bethenny has said on several interviews, the latest one with Andy on WWHL that the try out of the talk show was in LA but the show in itself will be filmed in NYC where she lives. Would that change after the divorce? maybe but as of now it is set to be filmed in NYC.

    • Orson says:

      Well, visitation-wise, I hope it’ll be filmed in NYC.

      • L.A. Chica says:

        I hope so, too, for Bryn and Jason’s sake. Can’t imagine Bethenny being happy living in L.A. anyway, she’s a NYC girl through and through in terms of her energy.

    • VV says:

      I’ll have to watch how they edited. I just can’t help but to think Bethenny had some sort of hand on how the show portrayed her and Jason. This is Bravo after all and she was executive producer. Probably, after the the holidays Ill try and catch the first episodes of S3 of BEA and watch timelines and editing.
      I like you don’t trust Radaronline, but researching about her a little yesterday realize how friendly they are to her. That’s makes my radars go up!

      • L.A. Chica says:

        These days I can’t help but think of Radaronline as being little more than Adrienne Maloof’s lap dogs. lol

        I don’t trust them, either, VV. They are beneath tabloids.

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