Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion Part 3

Real Housewives of Orange County

Reunion– Part 3 of 3 by Stars99

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Note:  After watching this episode, I was compelled to take a hazmat shower to scrub away all the odiferous crap that was flung during this show.  Somehow, this episode sparked and pushed so many emotional buttons in me that it was difficult to even focus on how to best present the important elements of the show.  It was a cringeworthy display of dysfunction and appalling behavior that had me longing for last year’s reunion when the worst thing that Briana had ever done was to side with Tamra regarding Brooks and against her Mother on national TV.  And then, this morning I find out that the “tape” that you will all hear about later in this recap has been released to the public.  Disgusted…. I’m so danged disgusted I can’t even see straight.  Are you ready?  I’m not… but I’ll do my best…I apologize in advance if I got something wrong… I was unable to watch this more than a couple of times so I may have missed something here or there…  

This Reunion installment inoffensively started with Andy being surprised that Heather sold her house.  Heather explained that someone basically drove by their house, made a couple calls, and gave them “an offer they couldn’t refuse.”  Now don’t you fret and don’t you frown cuz they’re building a brand new bigger house that will have plenty of room for Collette, the youngest member of the Dubrow household.  In a previous episode it was stated their current house had enough bedrooms but that the family’s bedrooms weren’t all on the same floor.

We then get to talk about the roller coaster of Terry and Heather’s relationship and how their marital issues played out throughout the season.  Heather said that, “It’s not easy and it’s not very comfortable.”  She wanted the show to capture them as they naturally are – a couple who have been together for 16 years.  She didn’t want the show to depict them “running through a field of daisies and picking fruit out of a tree.”  The onion ring subject was brought up and Heather was asked why she just didn’t give the guy onion rings at a party in which he was probably footing the bill.  Her Royal Heatherness quickly reminded the world that it was Her Royal Heatherness’ party and not her court jester of a husband’s party.  As she looked down her nose at the rest of humanity, deigning to even respond to a question implying she mishandled something, Her Royal Heatherness, who was not amused, told us that we could look at the situation in two different ways.  1) Let him eat onion rings (or cake, or brioche); or 2) Remind the court jester of the harsh demands that weigh so heavily on Her Royal Heatherness’ delicate shoulders and had she served those onion rings they would have been the last straw that broke the camel’s back. Oh, come the heck on… Let’s be honest… Just who would be shopping for and cooking the onion rings?  Certainly not Her Royal Heatherness, but a highly paid chef, who evidently has bigger things than onion rings to fry.

OoooOOOo Heather is looking rather fried herself right about now as Andy reads another onion question, “You emasculate your man so much that he can’t even have onion rings at a party he paid for… Why are you so hard on a man that gives you so much?” Heather defensively says they have a good partnership and that SHE bought the lot on which they built their house and that just because she’s not bringing in a paycheck at the moment – She’s working in the home and that work is very valuable.  Heather is providing him with a very fabulous life, too, dagnabit! Lolol…

Andy turns to Alexis and they talk about how this season Alexis’ life was painted with a brush that highlighted its perfectness.  Alexis explains that over the last four seasons that there were plenty of great and wonderful times when she and Jim laughed and had fun together but that those scenes were sliced, diced and discarded on the editor’s floor.  Alexis insists that Jim is very quirky and does funny things all the time.”  In a TMI moment, Alexis tells us that Jim tells her to, “Catch my Good and Plenty” – and while she didn’t delve into the exact context in which it was said, I suddenly feel compelled to frantically look around for some bleach.  Good and Plenty candy… I’m sure he was talking about candy… I’m sure he was, I’m sure he was… Dang it, I now have that jingle in my mind, “Charlie says, ‘Love my Good & Plenty!’… Charlie says, ‘Really rings my bell!’… Charlie says, ‘Love my Good & Plenty… Don’t know any other candy that I love so well!’” Tamra, who just can’t keep her inner mean girl bridled for longer than a minute, responds to Andy’s question asking about her perspective on how Jim and Alexis were depicted this year – And Tamra says that she felt that it was staged.  I’m kind of laughing at this point because how dare Alexis want to be depicted in the best light possible?  The nerve… the unmitigated gall, even!  Lolol…

V and T laughAndy announces, “Latin heat turned into cold feet” because we’re now talking about Tamra and Eddie’s long 8 month engagement with no wedding date in sight.  Actually, I’m guessing they were negotiating when the best time for filming would be because of the spin off and all… but we’re all supposed to believe it’s because Eddie got cold feet.  Or perhaps it’s because they launched a new business… Or… Or… Or… They play back the episode where Tamra bursts out, “Tamra and Eddie are finally ready!”  Awww… that’s so cute… See how it rhymes and everything?  Gag… Tamra says that it feels good being married.  Well, Tamra, in actuality, you’ve only not been married for like a nanosecond.  A viewer asks if Eddie still rides his bike more than he rides Tamra.  Tamra says that he’s not riding the bike as much because they they’ve opened the business.  Wait, did she really answer the question?  I think not – but I really, really do NOT want to know.  Tamra immediately took Eddie’s last name of “Judge” probably because it’s one of those quirky names that serves not only as a last name but also as a clue into her character.  Her name used to mean that she was just full of “Blarney”… err… “Barney.”  She faked out Andy about Simon Barney (her ex-husband) attending her wedding… She even had some of the women who were actually at the event convinced of it for a moment… But no, she and Simon only communicate via text.  They haven’t actually talked, “In years.”  Sept. 2nd…is the premiere of “Tamra’s OC Wedding”… Ugh and we get treated to a “Preview.”  This preview is exactly how much time most of us will be watching of this fiasco, no?  Everyone agrees that the “Third time is the charm” when it comes to Tamra’s marriages.  O joy, O rapture.

Okay, ya’ll may want to buckle up because Briana joins us and takes a seat not next to her Mother – but on the other couch.  Rut roh… That’s so not a good sign.  She talks about motherhood and that Troy is 9 months old and is eating normal food.  Vicki is asked, “What’s the best part of being a Grandma?”  Vicki responds, “Waking him up and rocking him at 1:00 AM.”  Wait… Did she just say she physically wakes him up just to rock him?  Who does that?  Perhaps I’m off my rocker but that just seemed odd to me… I get if you’ve been away on a trip that you would want to do that… but according to Vicki it’s most nights?  Wow…  Briana is asked if there is anything that her Mom says or does that surprises her anymore – and there isn’t.  We find out that Ryan has been deployed and is due back in October.  Everyone just wants him to come home safely.  He’s doing really well.  They don’t know how long he will be home for – it could be for 1 month… 1 year or 5 years – they just don’t know.  He will retire from the Marines in 9 years.  Vicki says he might start selling insurance with her after he retires. He was looking into getting licensed when he was last at home.   Andy teases that maybe Lauri will also be hired.  Vicki makes it perfectly clear that Lauri will never be back at Coto Insurance…again… And if that wasn’t clear enough, Vicki adds, “Let’s just say this… “Lauri’s earning her pay on her back.”  Oh snap!  Yeah, Vicki is just a tad bit bitter… For good reason… But it’s still funny.

Andy changes the subject to talk about Vicki’s Winter Wonderland Party which is the last time the viewers have seen Ryan.  Briana is asked, “Why do you think he reacted the way he did to Lydia’s fairy dust spewing Mom?” Under her breath, Briana mutters, “Ahhh… it was terrible.”  And then… THEN the excuses come spilling out… Briana explains that for her whole life – and you can ask any of her friends – that her Mom is crazy about everything.  Ryan lived under Vicki’s roof for 2 months and he thought he had to protect Vicki’s home.  She tells us that he was just following Vicki’s lead. Lydia chimes in that she completely understands that Briana took take her husband’s side on the night of the party – and that of course she would and Lydia would have done the same thing.  However, after watching the footage, Lydia wanted to know… and then she was interrupted by Briana who snottily said, “What I am going to say is that he was defending my Mother’s home…. And this is going to make me cry, but I’m not going to sit around and talk about my husband right now when he’s in Afghanistan… Not going to happen.  I’m sorry for how it all turned out but at the end of the day, he was really stressed.  He was about to deploy, he was defending my Mom’s home…and that’s where it’s all coming from. He’s not a bad person… He didn’t mean to make it that big of a deal but he felt disrespected.”  And Briana slams the door closed on the subject.

Did anyone else expect some sort of an apology – I mean, I thought it was an absolute no brainer… We have the audio of how the situation actually unfolded and I totally thought that Briana would take the opportunity to put on her big girl pants and apologize for the egregious way Lydia’s Mom was treated that night.  The Marines are all about respect, honor and integrity after all, no?  Right after she made her little speech about not wanting to talk about it, Briana then tells us that after the party she scrubbed mud and red wine off of the couch in question.  Lydia immediately jumps on the fact that Briana first says she’s not going to talk about it – and then she says something like that.  Briana tells her that they’re talking about her husband and Lydia fires back that they’re also talking about Lydia’s Mom.  Briana says it was rainy that day and that Lydia’s Mom had her heels on the couch.  But after Lydia again brings it to Briana’s attention that she was talking about it again Briana quickly retorted that she never actually said that it was Lydia’s Mom who got mud and wine on the couch.  Briana got really ugly and clarified that she merely said, “After the party…” she had cleaned the couch.  Briana snottily said, “Did I ever say your Mom in the conversation… That’s all I said, Lydia…C’mon…” Tamra aptly interjects, “But you insinuated it.”  After being backed into a corner of her own creation, Briana said that she, “Didn’t mean to… and that’s my fault…that’s not what I meant.”  Really, because the entire world knows EXACTLY what you mean, you spoiled entitled little brat.  We find out that Briana is no longer living with Vicki.  The plan all along was for Briana to live with Vicki while Ryan was deployed but that after he returns they would get their own place.  She says that they just kept waiting for him to be deployed and the date kept changing and so finally Briana just moved out… and since Ryan is coming back in a couple of months this all makes just so much sense, doesn’t it? And the actual reasons for Briana’s premature moving out are thoroughly swept under the rug.

Vicki exitsAndy tells Vicki that since Ryan and Briana have moved out of the house, it must have cleared the way for Vicki to continue to see Brooks.  Vicki says that it really hasn’t and that they have a very yoyo type of relationship.  Everyone laughs and makes fun of the relationship.   Vicki doesn’t know what her future holds with Brooks – but they have agreed to openly date other people.  Briana is told by a viewer that she’s too hard on her Mom when she did not allow Brooks in Vicki’s home.  Briana said that isn’t the truth – that Brooks is just not allowed near Briana and her son.  Vicki is nodding in agreement.  So, I guess that means that Brooks was allowed in the home as long as Briana and her son weren’t around… which was when, exactly?  Like on Tuesday afternoon for an hour when they go to a doctor’s appointment?   Vicki and Briana interrupt each other and are fumbling to get their revisionist story out.   It seems important to all concerned to make us believe that Briana doesn’t control if Brooks is there or not.

Briana says Brooks has done some things that are very shocking and are very disrespectful.  She said he’s proven himself to be someone that Briana doesn’t trust around her family.  That’s it… Vicky threatens to leave… because she doesn’t want this to be a Brooks’ bashing… Umm… too late, Vicki… I’ve already bought my “Let’s Bash Brooks” T-Shirt and I’m ready to go…. Andy wants to clarify if Brooks was disrespectful to Briana or to Vicki?  Briana says, “To me, my husband, and my Mother.”  Andy asks Vicki, “How does it feel to hear your daughter say this man whom you love is disrespectful to you?  As if it would explain things and because three wrongs evidently make a right, Vicki says that both of her previous husbands (Donn and Mike) were also both disrespectful to her.  Briana wants to know why she continues in the relationship and while Vicki is trying to explain herself, Briana smugly chirps, “Break the pattern.”  Right about now, I’d like to wipe that crazily haughty look off of Briana’s face because we recently heard Briana’s husband exhibit 50 Shades of Disrespect towards Lydia’s Mom.  But we’re not allowed to talk about it.  Then, Ryan lied his dupa off about it to Vicki.  I’ll let you decide which is the pot… and which is the kettle.

Vicki explains that she and Brooks are taking a step back.  They still talk – and they saw each other once this week.  Tamra asks Vicki if she thinks Brooks has been disrespectful towards Vicki.  Her Royal Heatherness asks Vicki, ‘If he’s been so disrespectful to you then why are you still around him?”  Vicki tells them there have been a few instances but that it doesn’t happen every day or else she wouldn’t be around it.  Briana said that it should be a onetime thing… then cut the cord.  Really, Briana…. If that same standard was applied to you – You would have to leave Ryan months ago.

Briana accuseVicki is asked if “it” was ever physical and Vicki says that it’s never been physical.  Briana dramatically zips her lips and tosses away the key.  Briana says Brooks had talked to her about his “dick size.” Vicki gets up to leave… I dunno, I’m kind of thinking that’s not such a big deal… I mean, I’m tired of hearing the RHNJ husbands talking about size and stuff on national TV.  Perhaps I’m just becoming desensitized. While Vicki is standing off set… They all convince Vicki to allow Brooks to come out and defend himself.  Briana thinks it shouldn’t matter to Vicki since they’ve broken up anyway.  Then Briana tells Vicki, “Then sit down and stand up for yourself and say it’s wrong.”

V and BrooksBrooks comes onto the set and sits next to Vicki on the couch.  Andy asks Brooks what his reaction is to all of this – and it’s obvious that Brooks didn’t hear anything that was going on during the taping of the Reunion.  Andy explains that the crux of the matter is that Briana feels that you disrespect Vicki which is why she doesn’t want you around her family.  Brooks says this is the first time he’s seen Briana since Briana’s wedding.  Because Brooks is not sure of which thing Briana is talking about at the moment, he brings up an email that he sent to Vicki back in 2007 while she was still married to Donn wherein he said that he loved her.  Briana interjects, “And that you wanted her to leave Donn.”  Brooks said he didn’t say that in the email but Briana insists that she saw it.  Brooks tries to look all remorseful and says, “For any child to see that… We crossed the line.” Briana interrupts once again to tell him that’s not the disrespectful thing in which she’s referring.  Briana wants to go down the list of his sins… and she snottily snapped… “Next.”   Brooks doesn’t have a prepared list, but never fear, Briana does.

She asks him what else he is sorry for.  Brooks, in his Hallmark Greeting card way says, “We all have done things that we wish we could take back whether we’re drunk or not.”  Briana pressed him further, “What did you tell my husband?  You told my husband to start hitting me and you’re not sorry for that?”  Briana says she has a recording – and that she heard Brooks’ voice tell Ryan that he should start hitting Briana to make her start, “falling in line.”  Everyone jumps on him to clarify that he actually said that.  Brooks said, “I was drunk and angry and I’m sorry I said that.”  Whoa… Holy Crap on a Cracker, Batman!

Briana asks him if he knew that she was physically abused as a child?  Briana says that she’s heard the tape over and over.  She would have played for the Reunion – but it’s on Ryan’s phone in Afghanistan.  If that’s true, don’t we have the technology to listen to it? (The tape has since magically popped up on the internet… Gee, I wonder who released it?  Such a nice daughter, no?  I sure hope they didn’t use government computers to release that tape…cuz Ryan is still deployed…)  Lydia gets really upset, cries and leaves the couch.  I want to leave with her.  Briana said that the tape is 45 minutes long and Brooks says his words were taken out of context.  Meanwhile, Vicki gets up to leave yet again.  She clarifies that Brooks has never touched her.  Briana tells us that Vicki won’t listen to the recording and that she leaves the room when they try to play it for her.  Denial, party of one?

B and BrooksAndy uses a prefabricated cutsie Bravo snippet, and says that Vicki is, “In the middle of a relationship tug of war – A battle of no winners… The love of your life vs. your family.”  Briana just wants this man out of her life. Under the category of, “Things we really don’t need to know” Briana reveals that Brooks refers to himself as, “Girth Brooks.”  Unfortunately, it’s pretty clear what that means and I’m just trying to block that image from my mind.  Lydia comes back as they’re showing a Brooks montage.  Briana keeps talking and making snide comments as his montage is showing.  They show the talking head wherein Briana says that while’s she’s paying rent here and as long as my son is here, then I don’t want Brooks in this house.  Ummm… earlier you said you never said that… So like, which is it?  They show the scene when Vicki and Brooks are at dinner together and they’re talking about how Briana’s position about Brooks has impacted their relationship.  Briana snottily says, “Oh, it’s Briana’s fault.” Briana continues her annoying rantings throughout the montage.  Briana thinks she’s getting blamed because she called Brooks out on some stuff.  While the montage is still playing, Vicki tells Briana she doesn’t want to play this game right now – because it’s hurting everybody.  Andy asked Lydia why she had to leave – and she says that it’s because it got really intense and she’s not used to being around this…

Tamra q BrooksAndy indiscriminately asks Alexis what she thinks about the situation.  Alexis says she thinks Vicki needs to listen to the tape.  Brooks tells us that he encouraged Vicki to listen to the tape – but he can’t make her listen to it.  Brooks says that Briana and her husband have been badgering Vicki both publically and privately.  Briana says that she doesn’t stand for abuse and that she just wants a good relationship for her Mom…

Tamra is asked what she thinks of the situation.  Tamra says that what Briana said makes her sick to her stomach.  She clues us all in that she went to lunch with Brooks and threatened him that if he did anything out of line to Vicki… like if he hurt her… touched her…stole her money, etc…. that she would hurt him.  And Vicki quickly says that he hasn’t done any of that.  Tamra asks Briana if there’s anything else that she needs us or Vicki to know.  Tamra sees a weak, weak Vicki.  Vicki has remorse of where her life is at 51.  Heather says her Mom always told her not to date inappropriate people because you can fall in love with anyone.  Heather tells Vicki that maybe Brooks isn’t a bad guy – but maybe not a good guy for you.

Briana wants to know how Vicki can love a guy that disrespects her daughter.  Vicki says that it hurts her and that Brooks has remorse over it.  Briana calls Brooks, “The only source of “ick” in my life.”  Vicki cries.  Briana calls Vicki her best friend but doesn’t want to stand for any of this so she has to step away and let Vicki figure it out on her own.  Briana is going to go and live her own life.

Andy reminds Vicki that she is surrounded by people who love her.  Gretchen hates to see her not be with the person she loves.  Tamra says Briana has told her that she has seen text messages from Brooks calling Vicki, “Fat, ugly, and that nobody wants her.”  Both Vicki and Brooks vehemently deny it. Briana says that Brooks manipulates Vicki.  Vicki continues to say Brooks has never sent a text message like that to her.  Andy asks Briana if she’s been going through her Mom’s text messages.  She honestly answers, “Yes, and she goes through mine.”  Vicki is not agreeing with this in the background.

Brooks said that if he was in the same situation that he would probably react similarly to how she is – but that the difference is that he would have respect for his mother.  Briana says she loves her Mom and she’s been with some people that haven’t treated her right over 2 marriages… Briana wants Vicki to be with someone who is good, “One that brings us together.”  Brooks tells Vicki that he has to walk away and let her do her thing… Brooks says that he loves her enough to let her go… and that she should listen to those who have known her longer… I gotta say this whole part reeked of a master manipulator anticipating what the right thing for him to do and say would be and then he choreographed his exit while planting a seed in Vicki’s mind that he only wants the best for her, blahditty, blah, blah.

Console VickiIn a Captain Ironic kind of way, Vicki then brings up Slade and how she and Gretchen have talked about him and how people hated him yet Gretchen and Slade were able to persevere through it all.  Vicki insists the whole world doesn’t like Slade and I think she’s right.  Gretchen doesn’t think it was the whole world… Briana says that Vicki can’t compare Slade and Brooks.  Vicki explains she’s showing a correlation that people don’t respect Slade and people don’t respect Brooks.  Heather thinks it’s different when you have children even if they’re grown – and that you have to make decisions based on your family.  Gretchen tries to draw the distinction that it wasn’t her family who was disrespecting Slade.  Really?  Because I remember your parents being very wary of him up through the day you proposed to him.  Wasn’t that your Dad who, when Slade asked for his blessing for your marriage a couple of seasons wouldn’t give it?  Gretchen tries to explain that they were no more hesitant about Slade than they were of everyone else she’s dated.

In tonight’s “I kid you not” portion of our program, Vicki actually said to Gretchen, “People have come to accept Slade and like Slade because you’re happy.”  Just who in this world has come to “like Slade?”  Gretchen says, “At the end of the day no matter what anybody else says it has to be your decision based on what you feel.”  Vicki assures everyone that she’s not in harm’s way.  Brooks says that “we decided” the resolution was for him to, “Exit, stage right.”  Brooks says he needs to leave this family and friendship because of these strong feelings.  Briana insists that it’s because of what Brooks has done.  Brooks says Briana had preconceived ideas before they even started – and Briana says it’s because they did some really messed up stuff.  Brooks said that he’s regretful of that and then asks Briana if she hasn’t don’t anything she’s regretted.  Brooks says, “Do I love her enough to let her go?  Absolutely, yes, because I’m not that selfish.”  Andy says, “Well, that was tough.”  He thanks Brooks for coming and Brooks leaves through a cloud of martyrdom.  Vicki cries and is comforted by Alexis (who was on the same couch but jumped over Tamra to sit next to Vicki), Tamra and Heather.  Briana still remains on her island of a couch while Lydia goes over to the other couch to give Vicki a tissue.   Vicki says she really hates her life right now but she really wants her family back…

Vicki cryAndy tells Gretchen they get a lot of mail about how she pronounces the word, “something.”  Gretchen, who had obviously been briefed, at first correctly says the word… but then as she’s trying to remember how she used to say it (she in fact, used to say, “sunthin”) her lips revert back to the way they were and prevent her from correctly annunciating it ever again.  Andy says he thinks it’s cute.  Gretchen is glad Andy thinks so.  Stars thinks she’s gonna barf.

Andy wraps up the show by saying that it has been an incredible feat in making it through 100 episodes.  He asks each woman for her final thoughts on the season:

Lydia – “Holy cow… I feel like I’ve been punched in the head in an awesome way.”  She goes on to say she would totally do this every day if she was allowed to.

Alexis – “I don’t quite feel like that… I think I feel bad for a lot of people; I think friendships have changed yet again… and it’s always interesting to see what is going to happen next year.”

Heather – “Some of my year was very difficult – and some was really fun and exciting and that’s life – that’s kind of the balance of the whole thing – I feel like I’m happy it ended well.”

Tamra – “I think overall it’s probably been my best year… I’ve learned a lot about myself… I got married… We made a new friend (pointing to Lydia who says, “Yay”)… and you know we had some bumps in the boulevard but I love everyone on the couch… and it’s been tough and it’s been hard but it’s been like the Sister Act.”  Wait… does this mean they are all going to put on habits break out in a chorus of, “I will follow You?”

Gretchen – “You know, it’s so interesting.  You think that’s it going to be so different than how it turns out… I was obviously very hurt by some of the friendships that I thought were very close friendships – being accused of things again…and it was tough on me and I don’t like being accused of things and I will always defend my honor and who I am and my character. I’m thrilled to death that I’m engaged to Slade and I look forward to our future.”

Vicki – “Wow… I have had a rough night… Emotionally drained… Brooks and I together obviously had good intentions for a great relationship but it looks like it’s over…. He’s definitely made mistakes… I’ve made mistakes…  One thing I will say… but I’m a hopeless romantic… I know I’m a loving Mother, a loving Grandmother, I love my family more than anything, I mean obviously Briana and I have an amazingly close relationship…and I don’t ever want to see her hurt like that and she doesn’t want to see me hurt, so I know she comes from a good place… But at the end of the day, this man that left, I cared and loved a lot – and I don’t love abusers – and what I want to be taken away from this is that he never touched me… he never hurt me – I never felt scared of him and I think that was the hardest thing – that I was feeling these ladies who are my friends thought that I was in an abusive relationship which I wasn’t.  I don’t know what my future holds…I’m hopeful about it – that there’s someone who will swoop me off my feet again and.. I’m going to be very cautious.  That’s my truth.

Andy says, they’ll be watching. And that they’ve earned some “Champs.”

Cheers – to friendship and to another season!

It’s been fun for us all to ride this ride together… Thanks so much for taking the time to read and for providing your feedback.  I’ll see you again… soon…  Happy Trails!

Cheers

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418 Responses to Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion Part 3

  1. ladebra says:

    Mornin’ glories!

    If NYC is filming, maybe a clue?

  2. Powell says:

    Good morning everyone. It’s hump day. Have a great one.

  3. HuskerHuny says:

    Happy hot and humid hump day! That recap of RHOC made me feel even more uncomfortable than when I watched it. I need to let those words sit a while before I make comment. I can say one thing for sure – so happy for my life and family. We’ve had our issues and bad times, but they didn’t play out on TV. But we came out on the other side better for it. I wish that for Vicki and Briana.

    • Powell says:

      Hey Husker. I hear what you’re saying. It’s so funny cause yesterday my mom & I were discussing my aunts, her sisters & my mom said “why do we have crazy people in our family?”. I laughed and said “I didn’t have any choice. They came with you.”. She started laughing and I said “I guess you didn’t have a choice either. That was your mother and father.”. Yes we all have our moments w/our families but its not played out on tv. I did tell my mom once our family is too boring to be on reality tv. People don’t want to see us cleaning, cooking and living ordinary lives. 🙂

      • HuskerHuny says:

        I like your life Powell and I’m right there with you! There is not one single HW I would change places with.

    • Stars99 says:

      lol… Sorry HuskerH… It was so unfortunate it was a horrible show to watch… it really zapped the fun out of the rest of the season for me…at least momentarily. I didn’t mean to make you feel more uncomfortable than you already were… I guess I just call them as I see them. I’m not always right… but I always have opinions… lol…

      • HuskerHuny says:

        Your recap didn’t make me feel uncomfortable – not at all. I feel so sorry for you having to recap it and how difficult that must be. You had to do what you had to do and I give you BIG props for doing it Stars girl. No apologies needed. I so applaud and thank you for doing it. You nailed it big time right down to the smallest of details. Now that the season is over (except for the clip highlight show next week), I hope that you can get your mind back to a much better place. You rule Stars99!

  4. TexasTart says:

    Since we have many people from LI who post here….
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    • Rebecca says:

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      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        Rebecca I also have the leave in conditioner and I love it!! Even with this disgusting humid weather we have been dealing with in NY my hair is not doing its usual frizzing 2 seconds after I flat iron it!!

    • chismosa says:

      Tarts thanks for this ….

  5. TexasTart says:

  6. Rebecca says:

    Ryan was verbally abusive to Vicky and Vicky’s guest on the night of the party. Brianna is delusional – 100%. SHE needs to break the cycle.

  7. ladebra says:

    Great job Starzy … I couldn’t make it all the way through, but maybe in small doses it will be palatable (not your recap, but the reunion). Briana jumped the shark for me. First of all, I don’t believe she cleaned mud and red wine off the couch with a wet wash rag. Really? That never worked on red wine for me. But I digress. Briana impressed me as a bitter liar who will go to any lengths to promote her agenda. Have a nice life Briana, and I will not watch her or her family on TV any more. Thank god for fast forward.

    • Rebecca says:

      Oh the wet wash rag – good catch ladebra.

    • Donna says:

      Lydia’s mom has said she doesn’t drink red wine.. perhaps Ryan poured some on the couch to make his point hummmmmm

    • Stars99 says:

      Lol.. thanks, Ladebra… I didn’t even think about the wet washcloth being an inappropriate method of cleaning… I kind of could have gone on and on about how Vicki scolding Briana and her teenaged friends about keeping her house clean is different than when adults are over for a party… My Mom would scold me to not put my foot on the coffee table but if someone else came over she wouldn’t utter a word. I dunno… I know Vicki’s careful about her stuff… but come the heck on…

  8. TexasTart says:

    Stars! Thanks for being the SuperStar you to cover the entire season of OC and especially for having the guts to finish out the last that-should-not-have-aired part of the reunion. I’m sure that is a very time consuming task and we are lucky as heck to have you blogging here. Happy Trails! 😀

  9. zoekayla says:

    In the last photo you can see Vicki’s Spanx line… She has not done a good job with her recent outfits…probably stress eating. Been there, done that, but she has the income to properly address her fluctuating size.
    I hope never to see Brooks again, and Brianna seriously needs to open her eyes about her time bomb of a husband.

    • Powell says:

      Zoekayla haven’t seen you lately. I hope you are well. During the season remember when Vicki, Tamra and a few others went to Napa or wherever to try wine for Wine By Wives? When Vicki had to leave and she was outside and Tamra was yelling at her Vicki had her back to the camera you could see VPL- Visible Panty Lines in that tight dress she was wearing. Vicki thinks she dressed horribly when in the beginning of OC, I think she has dressed worse & worse each season after S1 when they started using makeup,.hair & attempting to dress better. I think Vicki has a nice figure. She’s tall, has nice legs, a flat stomach but she dresses inappropriate for her age and body type. The tight form fitting dresses, the short dresses are not for her. She needs to fire her stylist or get a stylist. She doesn’t even dress appropriate when she’s in the office. And she shows too much cleavage. For all the money the OC ladies are supposed to have they don’t dress that well. Heather does have the best fashion sense & I don’t always like what she wears. Lydia dresses nice also.

    • TexasTart says:

      Hi Zoekayla, hope you are well! 😀

  10. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    The FDNY medical insurance company is going through an audit so we all had to re-verify all dependents on our insurance-no big deal-just resubmit birth certificates and marriage license and a 1040 tax return. I made copies of all and then went on the web site to check where to send. I discovered I could just take a picture of each document with my iPad and upload it right to the site…who knew something could be so damn easy?!?!? I just checked the site to make sure everything upload correctly and I’m all verified….nice and easy.

    • Powell says:

      JNNTJ technology is a beautiful thing when its useful. 🙂

    • chismosa says:

      Jill— ASH – what area in the boroughs does your hubby work at?

      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        He is in NYC-upper west side

        • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

          I posted on yesterday’s blog about Freddy and I saw you asked about Luis-he was there too!!
          Maybe Tartsy can bring the tweets over here-Melissa (OMG) tweeted a pick of her and Freddy and I think Alexis from Miami did also

          • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

            Let’s see if I got this right

            @MarysolPatton: Look at the sexy man we danced with at the VMA party @fredrikeklundny @alexiae_says #NYC #VMA’s http://t.co/FmpfXRW9Vi

          • chismosa says:

            Jill thanks so much for the pics !!

            The cursing smoker !! Lol 🚬🚬🚬🚬
            He’s annoying. But now I think a protege of sorts to Freddy so I best get used to him. 🙄

            At first i didn’t like Fred’s suit because it looked so shiny but he then said it was velvet. I like it now. I 💜him so ….

            Marisol looks GORGEOUS in her picture and my boobs hurt from seeing Alexia’s boobs. She’s pushing them harder than Lisa !

            OMG’s husband doesn’t look so bad I have to say – shaven. It is a much better look on him. And he seems more trim

            UWS – nice area your hubby has!

            Thanks again for all these …..😘😘

            • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

              It is a nice area and its busy so he is very happy there…plus the Beacon Theater is right around the corner and they are always able to sneak in to see who ever is playing there…firemen are very sneaky!!!!

  11. plainviewsue says:

    Stars, a huge huge thank you for your tireless and fabulous recaps of the RHOC season. With the exception of the ickiness of the final part of the reunion, I actually did enjoy a good part of the season.

    I still feel Briana came off the worst in this reunion. Brooks is a Crooks. Slimey, no question. But Briana came off so cold, so nasty, especially with those sneers on her. I think Ryan should of been totally discussed on the show. I think that Vicki should of been asked what her brother Billy meant by saying he’s tired of these constant problems with Ryan. Briana needs to know if you want to sit on the couches, everything needs to be discussed.

    • Donna says:

      I didn’t like the way she blew off Lydia in a condescending manner

    • Powell says:

      Aww Sue that is a good question. I forgot Billy said that. I still think Billy should’ve kicked Brooks’ ass. Even though Ryan and Bri were wrong w/”Brooks is not allowed in this house”, there has been too much out there about Brooks.

    • Stars99 says:

      Awww, thanks, PlainViewSue… ITA that Briana did herself no favors by her appearance. I would have LOVED to hear what Billy had to say… lol

    • mm in oc says:

      My take on Brianna is that she is blowing all these “issue” with Brooks out of proportion. I’d have more respect for her if she just said I don’t like Brook and I’m an adult and don’t need to be around him. That’s the mature way to handle this situation.

      Both Brooks and Ryan are douchy. Being a single OC girl, I can tell you it’s not easy to find a decent single man in this town. Lots of peter pan syndrome going around. They all want their women a size 4 and 28 years old. Very shallow. (yes, I know there are some decent, great men here, but most are already married).

      • mm in oc says:

        I didn’t qualify my comment above. This is why women like Vicki put up with losers like Brooks. At the age of 51 it’s even more challenging to find someone in youth and beauty obsessed SoCal.

      • Powell says:

        mm it would have been better if Bri just would have done what you said. As far as no single men in OC Vicki should rather be alone than be w/a loser con man than Brooks.

  12. Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

    Starzy-you deserve a medal for recapping this hot mess of a reunion! I never want to see another reunion like this again. If Bravo thinks this entertainment they are sick bastards!! There was no need for Brianna to be on the show at all-but since she was let me say I do not feel the love for her at all. The way she treated Lydia was so rude and bitchy. Her and her mother need to be away from each other or get some serious therapy!!! She is a angry young woman with a very angry husband-
    Thanks for being so snarkalicious all season -you did a fab job Starzy!!!!!

    • missusmc says:

      As far as the Vicki/Brianna situation goes, I agree, there is anger on Brianna’s part. But I also think that there is more than the camera shows. I think as far as Brooks goes, I agree with Brianna’s assessment (and no, it is never OK for the man who is dating your mom to talk to you about “girth.” Never. Never. Never.) I agree that Ryan seems to be angry and a bit of a loose cannon. Heck, I agree with a lot of what people think about Brianna and how she talked to her mom… BUT, I trust the Brianna we have seen in the past. I believe in her. So I believe there is a reason for all this to come out, for everything to come to a head right now. Maybe it’s just years and years of Vicki being controlling. Maybe Brianna’s seen her mom be abused. Maybe she is truly afraid for Vicki. I think there is too much between them for us to ever understand, and truthfully, I don’t think we need to understand. But the hostility I’ve seen on this board against Brianna (not by you, my dear. I’m just saying in general) confuses me. I just feel that a board like this, where most of us are mothers and daughters ourselves, should show more compassion towards this situation. Vicki and Brianna are broken women. They both have done things that are right, and things that are wrong. They need to heal. It feels very wrong to even comment on what they are doing (and I understand they put it out for the world to speculate/comment on. But can’t we just reserve all judgement for Gretchen? It seems more fitting). I wish them both well and I hope they can just move forward from all this.

      • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

        I think because I’m a mother I judge Brianna so harshly-

        • missusmc says:

          I’m close to Brianna’s age, so I think that’s why I see her side more than Vicki’s 🙂

          • Rebecca says:

            BUT… if your husband spoke to my elderly mother the way Ryan did to Lydia’s, we would be having words. She needs to apologize. Vicky apologized right before Ryan yelled at her to NOT apologize to Judy.

            Brianna is making excuses for a monster and then judging her mother for doing the same. She needs to shut up on tv. She used this forum to trash her mother on tv. Even Jeanna’s horrible kids never did that.

            • trudie says:

              Let me jump in here only to state that 64 is not elderly. Hells bells, I’ll be there before I know it!

            • djprincessc says:

              Not gonna lie, there have been a couple times in my life where my dad has yelled or strongly spoke to my mother and I jumped like a vulture and remember saying “don’t talk to her like that!!.” My parents have been married for 31 years and my dad has always been amazing but of course he’s human and has yelled, so has my mom! lol. But my point is if my own father who is a gentle giant has spoken not so nicely to my mom and I got pissed, imagine what I would do to a stranger!!?!?! I’m also close to Brianna’s age.

              Brianna was really annoying and did not make herself look good on the reunion.

      • designernailsdiana says:

        I’ve kept my fingers silent and not said things I’ve wanted to say.
        I’ve always liked Brianna. Yes she has not made perfect choices, but neither did I. I feel for Troy because she has a child to now think about too. I know how scary it is to be a single Mom and have to be both parents to a child. My heart breaks for her and the hardships she will face in the years ahead. Vicki is an adult and she is responsible for all of her decisions too. I saw a tweet from Jeana saying how she enjoyed seeing Vicki, Brooks and Troy. My jaw dropped because Brianna has been so adament about Troy never being around Brooks. Oh well it’s not my life nor my child.
        I’ve been trying to not speak badly about people and look for the good qualities, but some people are so dark it’s hard to be silent.

      • Powell says:

        I have said that I don’t agree w/Brianna & Ryan using emotional blackmail on Vicki constantly saying they will move out if Brooks comes to the house. It’s Vicki’s house. I believe Brooks is a flim flam man, a con artist that has been trying to and then succeeded to use Vicki. We heard him say at the reunion that he told Vicki to leave Donn for him yrs ago. Last yr on the reunion Brianna said yrs ago she saw emails from Brooks to Vicki & Vicki lied & said that wasn’t true. Now we know its true. Should Bri be so disrespectful to Vicki no. On epi 1 or 2 I believe Ryan was fixing the outside lights & he threatened to move again & Vicki called him on his bluff & said to go ahead. So Vicki should have put them out & if she truly wanted to date the con man then she should’ve. Bri is scared for, Vicki & frustrated w/her. Yes there is some stuff that goes way back in their family. IDK if its from Vicki’s childhood or her marriage to Mike. When Vicki’s mom has been on thru the seasons Vicki was constantly seeking her mother’s love & approval. Vicki lies or colors things in her life. She’s said she’s never cheated on Donn then this season she said they both were unfaithful. She lied about her relationship she’s had w/Brooks for yrs while married to Donn & Brooks confirms it after Bri discovered it yrs ago. It’s all sad and crazy. Bri wouldn’t have said anything this reunion or the last if Vicki had been truthful & opened her eyes to what Brooks really is. I will agree w/Tamra when she said Vicki & Bri didn’t fight until Brooks came into the picture. Yes Vicki got on Bri’s nerves but they didn’t fight & Bri wasn’t disrespectful.

      • mm in oc says:

        I don’t have a problem with Brianna not liking Brooks, but she’s not handling this in a mature manner. She simply needs to say that she’s not interested in spending any time with him. She knew her mom was dating him so if she felt so strongly she shouldn’t have moved in with Vicki. I think Brianna is just as controlling as Ryan.

        I personally don’t think the recording was indicative of Brook’s behavior (i.e., he’s not going to start beating or condoning the beating of women). He was venting. And while the “girth” talk was low brow and tacky, it’s not like he was hitting on Brianna. She’s really just grasping at staws because she’s decided that she doesn’t want her mom with him. It’s really not an fight she should be fighting.

    • Powell says:

      Ryan comes home in Oct Bri said & they will be moving but we shall see. Ryan likes living in Cota de Casa. Vicki’s home is beautiful, spacious, a great pool & lots of space for Troy to learn to walk. The gated community is beautiful. I don’t think Ryan will move his family.
      And I love “snarkalicious”. We can come up w/some words can’t we? 🙂

    • Stars99 says:

      Thanks Jill, the real Jill and not that fake one… I appreciate your words… And you’re right – there was nothing entertaining about this episode at all. It was horrible and left a horrible taste in our collective mouths.

  13. BB says:

    Stars, you did a great job recapping the OC hags this season. Thank you.

    • lizzle says:

      Thanks Stars! I really enjoyed the season and the recaps… I’m looking forward to the OCs return. I hope Aviva tones it down like Tamara did and NY will be just as good.

      Hi BB! Did you know the BlogCabin that you could win from DIY network is at the OBX… it comes with its own dock. All you have to do is enter twice daily at their website!

    • Stars99 says:

      Thanks, BB… and I’m completely dying laughing at your appropriate use of the word, “hags”… lolol… You would know since you had to wade through their blogs each week… yucky poo! lol

  14. T-Rex says:

    Starzy thanks for taking one for the team for blogging the OldCronesofBeverlyHillsadjacent. While I don’t condone Brianna’s behavior, I get where she is coming from, we had and still have the situation with my Mother-out-law, she chose a “kickstand”, her husband was dying and she lives by the motto, “never be without a man, any man”, and the troll she chose is just so gross. He has stayed with her though for 20-odd years, because she pays his bills, takes him on vacations, helped buy a car for him,etc. Seriously, at my sister-out-laws, 3rd husband’s funeral, she was asking her if she liked any of the men there, because you know, you’re not getting any younger and well, you are “manless”, yep at the funeral. I know how IckyVicky operates after seeing it first hand, you can’t reason with someone like this, no matter how many tapes, how many texts, incidents you can bring up the Needy Man-whore just thinks, how can I live without a man, my life is over without a man. UGH! Remember IckyVicky already had Donn lined up before she left her first husband, and Crooks all lined up before she left Donn. It’s their modus operandi. So, I get the frustration from Brianna, and she is at her wits end, and her last crusade is to bring it up on TV to get some sense knocked into IckyVicky.

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      Last year I felt that Brianna brought things up at the reunion out of frustration -this year I felt like she came out with guns blazin’ and she came off as super bitchy-take this crap to the therapist-not to reality tv-it was shameful!!!

      • T-Rex says:

        Jill, and see I see it differently. For almost two years she has been seeing all the sleazy crap Crooks has done and said and IckyVicky just makes excuses for it, because she doesn’t want to be alone and there is no one else out there that wants her right now. Brianna has seen the texts, and I believe Brianna on this one, where he says mean things to IckyVicky, and they are very close, so when he treats her like shit, I am sure IckyVicky discusses this with Brianna. I see this as her last crusade, and trust me if some jobber, who is using my mother for her money, treats her like crap, then tells my husband to “beat some sense” into me to get me in line, drunk or not, I am gunning for you to be out of our lives as well! Look for twenty years we have lived with this situation, we no longer really associate or even talk with my husband’s family due to this. So IckyVicky you want to lose your family, keep Crooksy in your life.

        • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

          But T-Rex she lived in her mothers house with her husband and baby-Vicky was ok to live with but not good enough to treat with respect on TV-it was cold and calculating of Brianna to bring that all out-especially since her husband is the one we saw acting like a jackass to an older woman. But no one was allowed to talk about Ryan-yet Ryan was the one who taped the convo with Brooks and the one who disrespected Lydia’s mom-He is a loose cannon with a temper that comes out fiercely-that should be Brianna’s concern. She was making excuses for him but blasting her mother for doing the same-I get it but I hate that she felt the need to bring it out on TV-that was cold.

    • Rebecca says:

      Then WHY did Biranna marry Ryan, aka Brooks, Jr.? He’s abusive, controlling, nasty, demanding, creepy, living off Vicky, etc?

      • missusmc says:

        It’s a cycle. Many families with abuse operate that way. And most people hate seeing their own flaws in others, while being unable to see flaws in themselves. Vicki and Brianna are very similar women.

      • T-Rex says:

        To me, because she didn’t think she could do any better than him, and he probably was telling her that to. Let’s face it her role model of a mother sucks at relationships and men, so Brianna chose the same fate for herself. Brianna doesn’t see that she is doing the EXACT same crap her mother does, settle for “Mr. Right now, instead of Mr. Right”

    • Stars99 says:

      You’re welcome, my favorite lil dinosaur… Hope you and yours are doing well, my friend!

    • Powell says:

      T-Rex you keep me in stitches w/the names you make up. 🙂 I don’t recall if Vicki ever said how old she was when she married Mike but you make a good point. I remember her saying how much her father loved her. So did she go from her dad, to Mike, to Donn, to Brooks? If so she’s always had a man to hold her up, validate her, not be w/o a constant male presence in her life. And I never thought about Bri’s be so outspoken as her “last crusade…..to get some sense knocked into” Vicki. I think you’re right.

  15. cusi77 says:

    Thank you Stars99 for a great Blogging RHOOC Season! You ROCK girl!!!!

    • Shiny says:

      Absolutely Stars – you redeem the time I lost watching that part 3 by making me laugh all the way through your recap. I swear I missed part of the show – must have had my fingers in my ears going “La la la”.

      Brooks saying I love you and See Ya to Vicki as he left seemed truer sign of his intentions than his martyred exit for the sake of Vicki’s relationship with her family. He could care less about that except how it gets in his way of getting married to her money.

      Vicki waking a baby at 1 a.m.? And not her baby? (Not to mention supposedly working til 1 am). That could have encouraged Brianna to move sooner! Our rule was “You wake em, you take em.” But to wake a baby rather than helping the mother get the kiddo used to sleeping through the night? – well, yet another indication of Vicker’s complete self-absorption.

      • Stars99 says:

        Shiny, the same thing happens to me… I’m typing and then I say, “Wait… what the HECK did they just say?”… I often have to rewind a couple of times to make sure I don’t miss something… and even at that I always do… lol… This particular episode I just couldn’t stomach rewinding very much… twice was my threshold of pain… lolol

        • Powell says:

          Well Mr. Stars was not doing his assigned job w/the remote? Mr. Stars said he had better things to do. 🙂

    • Stars99 says:

      Awww, thanks Cusi77… Thanks so much for reading! It’s hard to wade through all of this crap, isn’t it? But together we can do it! lol… Rock on!

  16. Nancy says:

    I think we should all send Stars on a weeks vacation after blogging that one.

    I think the reason Brianna didn’t apologize to Lydia was that she knew what would happen
    once her husband got home and saw the tape. So very sad.

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      I think the same Nancy!!!

    • lizzle says:

      She should have pulled a Gretchen…. “I am sorry that you feel that you were disrespected”… lol… I learn so much about how to get around apologies by watching these shows.

    • Rebecca says:

      There’s a bunch of NY ladies heading to Montana right now for a vaca. Should we get Starzy a ticket?

      • designernailsdiana says:

        Ack you beat me to it!!

      • Nancy says:

        She would need another vacation to get over that “vacation”! lol

      • Stars99 says:

        Rebecca… Wait… After blogging RHOC… My punishment is to have to take a vacation with the RHNY? AND they’re camping? Wait… that could be really, really funny… I love me some s’mores… and it would be fun to have a ring side seat to that circus… lol

        • Powell says:

          Hahaha you silly lady. Ramona will bring the Pinot. I’m sure you could have a case to yourself. 🙂

    • designernailsdiana says:

      Nancy I think we should send Stars to Montana to Glamp with the RHONY group. I’ve got a tent and a box of wine I can donate. Anyone else got some supplies?

      • Nancy says:

        Would whats her name be bringing her perv father as that changes EVERYTHING?

        • Nancy says:

          what’s

          Michael Douglas and his wife Catherine have split up. 😦

          • Powell says:

            I know Nancy. I feel so bad for them. They have gone thru Michael’s son in prison, Michael’s cancer, Catherine’s illness. Of course its speculation but the media was saying that when Michael said his cancer was from the HPV virus Catherine was just fed up. I still can’t believe he said that even if its true. He told the media he had throat cancer. We understood that. Then yrs later he says that. His ex Deanna made a stmt to the effect he didn’t get it from her. So if course speculation will be what woman was it then. Hopefully time apart will help them. I remember when they were getting married the media said she signed a pre-nup that would give her a certain amount of money if he cheated on her cause it was known Michael cheated on Deanna & he was a player. So cheating won’t split them up but maybe HPV might? Goodness.

        • designernailsdiana says:

          I don’t think Georgie boy is allowed past the Mississippi river divide. Stars will be safe from him…ONLY him.

          • Nancy says:

            I HATE that my husband shares a name with him. 😦

            • Shiny says:

              He doesn’t – their names are completely different colors – one of the advantages (besides being called nuts by sisters) of seeing names in color.

        • Stars99 says:

          NO GEORGE ALLOWED! Except if you were coming with your husband, Nancy… lol

      • Stars99 says:

        Et tu, DesignerNailsDiana? Is it red wine? Cuz I could go over to Vicki’s house and spill some on her couch before I leave… lol

    • plainviewsue says:

      I one thousand percent agree with you Nancy. Just like when Ryan yelled at Vicki for having her arm around Judy. Total control freak. Scares me.

    • Stars99 says:

      Woo hoo Nancy! I’ll gladly go on vacation… In fact, we ALL need to go on one after making it through this season! And I agree about Briana… it’s so sad… I just want Vicki and Briana to come to their senses… but alas, that’s not going to happen anytime soon…

  17. Mene Seela says:

    Interesting recap Stars99. Maybe disturbing is a better word. I’m so glad you blogged about this.

    What I read here makes me think that both Briana and Vicki have serious insecurity issues about their bodies so they seek out and settle for men who blatantly undermine & mock them. It’s just a confirmation of what they believe about themselves.
    It doesn’t help that they live in an extremely vain and shallow area (OC) where women over 30 yrs and 5 lbs over weight are openly considered over the hill cows.

  18. lizzle says:

    Alright guys and gals… this is the first time I am asking for advice here. I usually am too proud to ask for anything, which is why I am in this predicament. My parents have a mid-century modern bedroom set which my brother and I have always loved. My brother has talked about how he wanted it and I have told him that I wanted it too. I figured that once my parents died, which is a long way off, that we would split it or figure it out. The rest of my parents furniture is antique-like which I really don’t like. Well, because I think it is disrespectful to start splitting up material things before my parents are dead… I never mentioned it to my parents. My brother on the other hand has gone behind my back and has constantly mentioned this to mom and dad. Well… I am home visiting and I hear that they are going to bring that bedroom set to my brother. I have officially freaked out. I grew up with that bedroom set. I guess I want to know how other people have dealt with aging parents and the splitting up of material possessions. My parents are in their 60s and I feel they have a lot of life left. I have already been chosen as the one who will take care of my parents when they are older…. because it is in my personality. Is it selfish to know that I will be here talking care of my aging parents so they don’t have to leave their house and my brother will be doing nothing… and yet… he will probably get half of everything. My brother is an artist and musician who lives by the Ayn Rand philosophy… it is all about what makes him happy, because he can give to the world more when he is happy and follows his dreams with blinders on. I am more of the thought that we need to take care of each other. I think both are fine philosophies… but when directly related to my parents… is it fair that I will give up my life to take care of my parents so he can get half of everything. And listen… I didn’t think in these terms until he went behind my back and took something that was very important to me without asking me first.

    Anyways… I am looking for guidance, because right now… I AM PISSED! And probably not thinking clearly.

    Thanks
    liz

    • Mene Seela says:

      Hey Lizzle,
      I completely understand your predictiment. All I can say is let it go. You would be surprised about how many “heirlooms” become burdens. Especially furniture that may not be so treasured (by your brother) after a home makeover or move – so you might wind up with that set anyways.

      After I read this I felt better about losing lovely asian antiques to my feckless cousin…. article is named “Tyranny of the Heirloom”
      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/garden/26inheritance.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

      It’s crappy that your brother went behind your back, but your folks didn’t know that.

      In the long run your parents are still young, there are many smaller things of theirs that are actually more personal of theirs that will translate easier through furture generations.

      My favorite items of my family are my grandparents WWll ration books that are the size of a brochure. Easy to display and transport. Plus they tell a real story about my family. Their old street addresses are on them, official government stamps and they are signed by the owner.

      • Mene Seela says:

        PS I’m really sorry about this family upheaval – very upsetting I am sure.
        Hugs 2 (((lizzle)))!!

      • lizzle says:

        Thank you so much Mene Seela… I cried reading your comment. You are right. Actually, my grandfather was in world war II and I would love to have all I can from him. He stormed the beaches and never wanted to talk about it. I actually would sit with him and in a subtle way, try to bring up the war… but all he wanted to talk about was the coal mines he worked in and loved. I am going to read the article now. Thank you so much. It is so strange that I feel so emotional right now about this… I guess it brings up greater issues.

        • designernailsdiana says:

          I have the opposite problem. I’m an only child so ALL of the burden is on me, but I’m embracing it. I had a very hard time going thru my Mom’s things after she died. I cried a lot as I would take things out of her dresser or her closet. Remembering her wear this or that and what we did that day. My Dad lives with my husband and I in the home I grew up in. My Father was smart and went to an attorney to get the house in my name so he wouldn’t lose his home if he ever needed to go into a nursing home. I didn’t know he did it until my daughter told me she saw it online.
          I will never send my Dad to a nursing home because he has been there for me for 50+ years. He’s actually a lot less interested in “keepsakes” than I am. Knowing he’s ok with letting trinkets go helps me to let them go too.
          Ask your parents what items they treasure most or what would they grab to save if a fire broke out or flood waters were coming. They will share their treasures with you. Your brother is not unlike any other family here. I always say there is one in every family who will covet and hoard items for themselves. You just never know exactly who it is until the day comes when dividing up a family home happens.
          We are here for you and we are on your side. Grrr BROTHERS!!! I hear they are so rotten sometimes.

          • lizzle says:

            Thanks Diana… I always love when someone’s on my side… lol. And reading about how everything is left up to you… makes me appreciate that I have a brother that can potentially take some of the burden off me. You are an amazing daughter. I always wonder if I am going to be as good as you when I read about you taking care of your father. You want him to have a good life… even when his life is in his final stages. I am always in awe about how life comes full circle. We need care when we are born and need care when we are old.

            • designernailsdiana says:

              There you went and made me cry. Now the janitorial staff is going to think something bad happened since I’m wiping tears. Thank You for your kind words. Being a good daughter is all I strived for when growing up. I want to cherish my time now with my Dad because too soon his time will be up and I don’t want to be mad that I didn’t do or say something when he was here. He’s never been one to say he loves me, but when he does it goes straight into my soul. To hear him say I Love You Too makes me day. I make him give me hugs before I leave for work most days. It’s cute how he pats me on the back and says have a nice day at work.
              Liz just cherish each time you see your parents give them an extra hug from me please!

          • djprincessc says:

            designernailsdiana, I loved what you wrote. I am an only child too and an only grandchild on my dads side so I will get EVERYTHING. I can imagine how hard it was going through your moms things, I can’t even think about that with my mom cus I’ll cry!!

    • Shiny says:

      Lizzle –
      My advice is to not look too far ahead. 60’s is still young! My dad ended up dying long before I would have been taking care of him, and my mom ended up being very independent for long after I thought I’d be helping. If you’re lucky, they will live long enough for you to help them and have a close relationship with them. (Bro will miss that aspect of life and relationships most likely.)

      Things are only things. Take a photo of furniture you love, enjoy looking at it, and try to be grateful that you don’t have to drag around the objects for every move. (It’s okay to put a scratch in an out of the way spot for satisfying small act of revenge.) If things are divided in half someday, have the furniture valued – and then you’ll get more of the money in the division.

      Be sensible when you care for your parents in the future – the financial burden shouldn’t fall on you, and you may want to arrange with them to pay you for some of your work, if your brother is totally uninvolved – informing him clearly so he can’t argue or resent.

      Lesson here is to say what you want in life if it’s really important to you. Bro may have just said it, not really had to “go behind /your/ back”. But things aren’t worth losing relationships with siblings – I’ve seen relatives spend money on court fights over parents’ belongings and never talk again – stupid and they all got way less.

      On my way to help my mom sort belongings for a few more days – fortunately none of the kids are fighting about any of the things – instead we’re insulting her by all ducking her suggestions that we take things!

      • BB says:

        I’m with you, shiny. I am not looking forward to getting rid of all my mom’s “treasures” after she is gone from this world. She has a lot of stuff and that’s after she moved from a house to an apartment! She is a shoe addict (size 5). I wear a much larger size. lol.

      • lizzle says:

        Thank you… I have a whirlwind of emotions right now. I can’t even take the furniture at the moment, but I guess the fact that I was left out of any conversation is what hurt. I wasn’t close with my relatives… my grandfather being the closest. So it is my parents that are the key to my past. They are my everything. The bedroom set is the only pieces of furniture I cared for… and what I am really feeling is probably that my feelings were not considered. But I agree… now is the time to set boundaries. I just feel so emotional about this… it is really unexpected. Thank you. Every comment helps me understand what is important and what I should do to not continue to feel this way in the future. My parents are young… I didn’t want to start this stuff now. Thank you Shiny.

        • Shiny says:

          And part of what bothers is, as you said, that he was talking to them at all about taking things when it isn’t anywhere near time for that conversation. I swear some of that insensitivity and cluelessness is just that little Y chromosome getting in the way of being smart and aware. 🙂

          Part of my ability to dismiss the things in my advice to you was from a similar situation, not because I am inherently unselfish, because I definitely am not. My mother asked me a few years ago whether there were things in the house that I might want. I pointed to a small painting and said, “just that probably.” The response was “No, that’s going to X, your sister, she wants it.” I was a little hurt because it was a bizarro conversation to begin with, and why did my sister’s wish trump mine, just because she was asked first, and when was that anyway etc. Felt the same hurt and confusion for a while, but after a while I realized it was not worth the energy, not when I care about the people, and it’s only a thing, and I have way too many things already. It’s not as if it was expensive or valuable, and I’ve enjoyed knowing the painting, but owning isn’t necessary at all.

          • toodybird says:

            The same happened to us. Mother-in-law saying let her know what we wanted. OK. We told her, but alas, the other daughter-in-law had already asked for it. Anything else? Oh, sorry , the other daughter-in-law already asked for it. So, suspect and for fun, I continued on. But, alas.

        • chismosa says:

          Lizzle I FEEL you. I have a brother and I don’t care for your brother not thinking of YOUR feelings especially as you are the one to be taking care of your parents in the future.

          I always tell this to people around me– parents are lucky to have daughters !!! Your parents are lucky to have you.
          I’m just mad your brother didnt consider this was important to you, no matter how trivial it may be. You may have sub/unconscious memories of some events growing up around that set !

          Good luck —–everyone here is so wise and gave great advice 💜💜

    • BB says:

      Speaking from experience here and you are probably not going to like my answer. My elderly aunt had no children. The closest thing she had were me, my sister and my brother. My brother was her fav. He died at the age of 54 about three years before she died. She was a widow and, about a year and a half before she passed away, she developed a dementia like illness which came on very suddenly, at least it seemed that way to me but I didn’t see her on a daily basis. Guess who ended up responsible for her? Me. It was never discussed beforehand soI had to figure out everything about her finances by myself because she couldn’t tell me. I had to get her into an assisted living situation and then, when she could no longer stay there, make arrangements for a nursing home for her. I had to make an end of life decision for her. I had to execute her will. Her will was divided up between me, my sister (who never lifted a finger to help) and my brother’s two young adult sons (who never came to visit my aunt in the assisted living facility, nursing home, or hospital) . At the time, I was working full time and would stop by to check on my aunt every day on my way home from work to make sure she had everything she needed and was getting the care she needed. My reward was that I had to execute her will (which was not an easy task because she had numerous financial holdings and properties) but only got a third of her estate. Was this fair? Not really. But I can feel good in the fact that I was there for her in the end when nobody else stepped up to the plate (other than my mom and my sister in law, who provided support when I needed it). In the end, that’s what matters, not material things. I have never said a word to the people who benefitted from my aunt’s estate yet didn’t do a thing to deserve it. What would be the point? Now I am going through a similar thing with my mom, but she and I are much better prepared for it. Not patting myself on the back, just wanted to let you know you are not the first one to experience this type of thing. The important thing is that you and your parents (and brother) need to discuss all of this beforehand and have and understanding about who is going receive what and who is going to be responsible for what. I guess the bottom line is these things don’t normally turn out equally or fair. That’s just the way it is sometimes. Maybe someone else on the board has a better answer or solution. I know my answer is probably not very helpful. Just a perspective from someone who’s been there.

      • lizzle says:

        I actually do like your comment, because that is the way I think it will all play out and I need to deal with it. I know many of the commenters here have dealt with this, which is why I asked you guys. Thank you for being honest. I think a part of my emotions are related to the fact that I didn’t want to start dividing up property before my parents were even sick. I always found that disrespectful. But I guess it might not be that way. I guess it is a part of seeing that my parents are aging and they will not always be around. That is hard for me to except.

        • BB says:

          I’m glad it helped in some way. It’s hard no matter what, but a little easier if you know what to expect.

      • Shiny says:

        (((BB))) You are a wonderful person – I hope someone is that kind to me at the end, too.

        • BB says:

          Ha! I keep telling my two daughters to watch closely because they will be “me” someday! I know they will look out for their mom and dad. My oldest daughter knows. She still has one of my aunt’s old dogs who is never going to die. I mean this dog must be at least 18 or 19 and is still around. She never though that would happen when she agreed to take her. But she will miss her when she’s gone even though she complains about her now. I took my aunt’s other older dog, but he only lived about a year or so after her death. I miss that dog. 😦

    • MelTheHound says:

      Once your parents are gone, what difference does it make? Take the bedroom set before your brother can get his hands on it.

      • lizzle says:

        I always love the male perspective… it is about problem solving… lol… maybe I should take the furniture and run. Thanks MTH.. Of course, things don’t matter. I just feel disrespected… more by my brother than my parents. I see that now.

        • MelTheHound says:

          Lizzle, that’s just what I would do. You’re probably getting better advice from the ladies here than I can offer. There may be nothing left when the time comes if my own family is any indicator. My dad’s mother had a house and enough put away that with SSI and a GM pension (from grandpa) could live comfortably. Well, dad died suddenly at 57 and his brother talked her into selling the house and moving to California where He lived. Within a year he had drained every cent she had and sent her back to Michigan, without a home, and a widow’s pension income. Within a couple years, she got dementia and had to be shipped back out there where he put her in a nursing home. She lasted 8 years wondering who these people were around her. She died last winter and had to be shipped back here to be buried. Every time (when she was coherent) she got mad at somebody, they would be cut out of the will. Dad always told her it didn’t matter to him because whatever he was left with, would go on one roll of the dice in Las Vegas. He was dead and she was broke so in the end, it didn’t matter a hill of beans. After my mom died, someone broke into her house and stole everything of value. Luckily, I had removed my father’s pistols or they would have those too. By will, she had left everything to me because of some of my sister’s past issues. I won’t go into how I settled it all but it got settled to everyone’s satisfaction. So, in my answer above, I’m thinking if you want the bedroom set and are taking care of the parents when it comes time, you should have it and just take it. If anyone asks, it got sold in a pre-death estate sale.

      • I LOVE COFFEE says:

        Mel, You make me laugh. You tell it like it is.

        I had a Aunt whose children were fussing over what they wanted when she died. She got sick of it. One Christmas they all came home. All the stuff they were fussing over was gone. They were mad and hurt. MY Aunt (who was a hoot) told her children ” I don’t want my children to fight over my stuff. Besides if your fighting ya’ll won’t be thinking about me being dead and gone.” She also told them “You grown ass kids get your own stuff and quit waiting for me to die.”

        She never would tell them if she sold, gave away, or threw them away.

    • Stars99 says:

      Sorry for the novella, but… As a person who has dealt with the deaths of both parents, grandparents and of a childless aunt and uncle I know it’s very difficult to approach possessions that have either mentascental value or material worth. When my Mom was dying, she created lists of stuff that my brother and I would get in collaboration with my aunt – so that everything would be split equally. It’s a long story… I won’t bore you with it. I am confident that your parents want you each to receive what you want… but if only one person is saying what they want – Your parents can’t possibly make an informed determination based on an incomplete picture.

      I suggest the following: 1) Be completely honest with your parents about how you haven’t really wanted to talk about it… but recent information has come to light that compels you do to so at this time rather than at a later time. 2) You want to be fair with your brother – You want him to receive things that are most important to him and that you also want to receive things that are most important to you. 3) You were afraid that if you didn’t say anything at this point that your parents may misunderstand your silence to mean that you don’t care about those particular items or what happens to them upon their death – which couldn’t be further from the truth. 4) It will probably be comforting to your parents to have this hashed out before anything happens to them. I suggest making sure that their “Will” contains a codicil that outlines whatever conclusion you guys agree on. By the way, if your parents have not created a “Trust” document, they should look into that… because if their assets have to be probated upon death – a significant portion of assets could be lost. But I digress… 5) I suggest that both you and your brother make a list of the top 10 items you want… and why you want them. There will be items on both of your lists… but at least you can provide information to your parents as to why that particular item is important to you. Then, you can continue to make additions to the list once you’ve negotiated through the “most wanted” items on both lists. I suggest approaching it as a negotiation – you both will likely not get everything you want… but you want to work towards it being a win/win solution as much as possible.

      When my brother and I went to my aunt and uncle’s house after their death… We had these lists that my aunt and Mom had painstakingly put together but with very little input from us. There were lots of items on my list that I really didn’t care much about and the same was true for my bro. The BEST thing I ever did… was to sit my brother down and tell him that none of the stuff in the house was worth us fighting over… That we should keep in mind that people have stopped talking for way less than this and that as we work through the items… that we needed to be open and honest with each other along the way. There could be things on his list that I want… and there could be things on my list that he wants. I told him that most likely the things I would be most interested in were the handmade items – the quilts, tablecloths, etc. – and other mentascental things. They had some very expensive things in their home but quite frankly, it wasn’t my taste… so why on earth would I want a gold foo dog – just because it was worth $20,000? I think not…

      Whatever you do… make sure your voice is heard. People can be really greedy… It’s horrible. I’m sure your parents want to be fair to both of you… Honestly, your Mom may not know that you really want that special cracked teacup because you remember having tea parties with her. Or that chair that is your dad’s special chair – because you would feel close to him while sitting in it. I know this is hard… but having things resolved will bring peace to your parents as well… they may want to give you certain things and your bro certain things for their own reasons… and that trumps EVERYTHING else… but if they tell you why… it will make it more palatable for everyone.

      • lizzle says:

        Thanks Stars… you are right… I am just upset that it has to start now. I thought that when my parents died… we could deal with it… we have always gotten along very well. I suppose it is the underhanded way that my brother took something that he knew I wanted without telling me. I thought our relationship was really a utopian one… HAHA (now I see it is not).. I just helped him move into his house a few weeks ago… we have/had a great relationship. I feel a little slapped in the face. My boyfriend sat me down and told me that losing a relationship with my brother would be worse than losing a bedroom set. I am beginning to see the light. Thanks Stars. I do need to be more vocal. And I think I need to think about the smaller things that I might want. Some of the antiques might be worth so much money… but I don’t want that stuff. It isn’t really about the money… I need to talk to my brother. He probably doesn’t even know what he has done. Anyways… I am blabbing on about it. Thanks again Stars… it isn’t worth losing a brother over.

        • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

          Lizzle-in the end you gave yourself the best advice…”it isn’t worth losing a brother over”…sit with him and tell him how you feel and make sure he knows “it isn’t worth losing a brother over”.

        • catmom1 says:

          Lizzie, lots of great advice, wisdom, and experience given here. Like many others, I’ve been though this situation as well. Communication is always key. One of the most valuable lessons I learned when I was younger is, “You can’t get what you want if you don’t ask for it.” This applies in all areas of life. No one (spouse, sibling, friend, parent, boss, co-worker ) is a mind reader. Good luck working it out with your brother. From a purely practical view, my suggestion is if you really love this bedroom set for the design as much as the emotional attachment is to check out Craigs list and keep an eye out for a similar if not identical set. I see them listed here all the time and they are usually not very expensive – often only a couple hundred dollars. I know it is probably painful for you to think of your parents not being around, but if they are trying to downsize belongings now they really are doing you a huge favor. I am so grateful to my mother in law for routinely clearing things out of her house. It made such a big difference when we, as a family, had to finally clear things out after my inlaws died. Good luck with the family.

        • chismosa says:

          Stars brought up a very important thing — paperwork.

          I’m in my 30’s but my parents are in their mid -late 70’s and my mother is a walking Filofax so she’s always like “you need to know where all our paperwork is!”

          So think of that too …..

    • Lizzie, you are very, very lucky! As you know you will be your parents’ caregiver, then it is time to get prepared while everyone is of sound mind and body.
      If your parents don’t have a will, then it is time for them to drawn one up. This isn’t morbid or an indelicate topic but a tool that will help your family in the future. I was the executrix of my dad’s mom’s will at the fun age of 18, with an uncle who’s picture is definitely next to the definition of “asshat” in the life’s dictionary. Apparently, she knew who was the right person to carry out her last wishes – and I learned a lot from that experience. My husband and I have one and it does free you of worrying about all those “what ifs” and takes an enormous weight off your shoulders.
      When my parents decided to move half way across the country to be close to their grandchildren (my sons) I said it was a great idea but they had to have a will that detailed their financials and what they wanted to do with their “stuff”. We had an argument but they did get that done before they moved here – no one wants to think about the end of their life and I actually had to remind my dad about all the stupid shit I had to deal with when his mother died. My father did confide that after they did their will it felt like a burden had been lifted from his shoulders and he was enjoying life free from worrying about how he was going to take care of my mom and my sister. It hurt like hell when he passed but I was so thankful that he did do their will and I got my mom settled into her new life without him quickly because she knew this was what he wanted and what they planned for!
      Your parents can not read your mind! You have to tell them what is sentimental to you. Apparently your brother has no problem voicing his wants, so you need to woman up and do the same! Trust me, your parents will be thankful to have this information because I doubt they want to hurt their children’s feelings or have their children resent each other!
      After my other grandmother passed, without a will, my mother, being the oldest of 8 siblings distributed Grams possessions as SHE felt they should be and caused quite the casino and hard feelings between aunts, uncles and cousins. It was a good 25 years later that I found out that some the things I was given were actually promised by my grandmother to various other relatives (and they were still angry and resentful towards both my mother and me)! I promptly made arrangements to get those things to the person who really needed to have them.
      I know I’m weird – give me the lifetime of memories I have with my grandparents, parents, aunts, uncles, etc and I don’t really need anything else. Stuff is stuff and if certain items are important to you then girl speak up now! Have conversations with your parents and your brother because they need to know what is in your heart! My sister has been laying claim to various things of my parents since she was young! I know what is important for her to have, even if our parents’ will states a different distribution.
      Again – Lizzie, you are lucky! Please, please, please take the steps to be burden free from the inevitable and allow yourself to truly enjoy your parents and brother without resentment! It is only a couple of conversations and making the arrangement to have an estate planner/lawyer draw up the will. We are here when you need us!

      • catmom1 says:

        Preach it WCW. Both my inlaws died without a will and it is time consuming and adds an extra expense in settling the estate. Fortunately for us, my husband and two siblings didn’t have a single problem sorting out who wanted what. I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t been there. Feel like I lived a great urban myth.

    • Rebecca says:

      Lizzle,

      Don’t worry about something that hasn’t happened yet. You’ll make yourself sick. Your brother could change his mind or worse yet, not outlive your parents. My WHOLE LIFE, I wanted my mother’s wedding china. It is so beautiful with purple lillies and the gold trim. I have wanted it since I was a little girl. My mother always promised it to me and now my sister has hinted that it won’t be around for me to take. I told her I hope its worth a sister. Truly though, if she takes it, that’s fine. My self worth isn’t tied to what I own. Besides – I already got all the jewelry. Some of the gold chains from Italy are 200 years old.

    • trudie says:

      Liz, you have received a lot of great advice here. But, I will add mine anyway!

      My father died 2 years ago (mom has been gone 20 years). He lived with my younger sister and her family. I did all the doctor’s appointments with him and every time he went into the hospital (which was pretty much every three months) my sister and I divided up the days and nights so he would never be alone. We have 5 other siblings, 2 of whom live nearby. But they were always too busy to take a shift.

      When my father died, he left a large estate which was divided evenly between all 7 children, regardless of their contributions to his end of life. He wanted to be “fair.” I’m not going to lie – that did piss me off. But I also know that my dad (even though he had dementia) knew that my sister and I were with him when he needed us the most. As my sister said after he died, we have no regrets. There was nothing we should have done that we didn’t do. And that, is worth more than money.

    • TexasTart says:

      Lizzle, isn’t it wonderful to have this wide array of people sharing their experiences. I don’t have one to add, I just wanted to say that I’m sorry your brother was this way and best of luck working on your relationship with him in the future.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        hI lIZZLE: i read about your predicament, I don’t blame you for being upset. I love all those who responded and shared their thoughts and experiences with you. My dad left nothing, so there was nothing to fight over. I had one sis who did most of the caretaking so whatever pictures or trinkets were left, she got and no one said boo. We were all just so grateful to her and we remain grateful. I have another sister who pretty much supports our mother, so she too will get whatever our sweet mom might leave behind. Thinking of you.

  19. Nancy says:

    In honor of MLK. “I had a Dream”

    • Stars99 says:

      Thanks for sharing, Nancy – That was beautiful and I had never seen it… Her spin with a bent leg was so interesting and unique… I loved everything about this!

      • Nancy says:

        The GOE (grade of execution) points are higher when she spins like that.
        I have mixed feelings about this new scoring system but I’m glad you enjoyed it. 🙂
        She is a beautiful skater but she’s no Michelle Kwan.

  20. windycitywondering2 says:

    Stars – I commend you on a job well done! I want to thank you for your work because I didn’t have to watch a single episode because you captured this franchise and all the subtle nuances perfectly. You rock and deserve all the accolades you are getting for your skill and perseverance by all your friends here.

    The OC is a franchise I have never been able to invest in. I neither like or dislike any of them, nor can I find reasons to root for, condone their behavior towards each other or find much humor in their antics. That said – what I found interesting this season.

    Brianna is her mother’s daughter and her behavior during this reunion really brought home the fact that love and respect are less important than total control and money. Brianna doesn’t want to talk about her husband’s behavior because he isn’t there to defend himself because he is off defending our country…then turns around and backhands Lydia and her mom. While Brooks history is well documented, Vicki overlooks that because she wants what she wants. (T-Rex nailed it when she said Vicki can not be without a man and lines them up like planes at O’Hare airport.) Brianna doesn’t wear blinder and IMHO, really is fearful for her mother because she knows how needy she truly is – she isn’t going to let go of her objective to save her mother from that POS.

    I just don’t see a reason to hate on Heather. She is not like the rest of this motley crew, nor is she acting like she is better than them! The bitch just happens to have more education, worldly experiences, better manners and is in a different social circle due to both her husband’s occupation and her showbiz background. I think she is the best dressed in this franchise but she doesn’t belong with this group of women.

    Gretchen is addicted to playing dress up and may in fact think she is a living Barbie doll. She isn’t smart, she is high maintenance and the work she has had done makes her look like she is in fact a plastic doll. I catch myself wonder who has had more facial work Gretchen or Wacky Jacky.

    Alexis and Tamara bore the piss out of me as do their storylines.

    Lydia is a girl woman who is trying too hard to make everyone think she isn’t like these creatures. And like Heather, she doesn’t want to be lumped in with the bad behavior trio of Tamara, Vicki and Gretchen – she stirs the pot while acting like her motives are innocent and therefore not to be called out or judged. As the HW with true old money and wealth, this was just likely done as a lark. She didn’t have to worry about an interesting storyline because this was her rookie/new girl season. Wonder what the dilettante will do for a storyline if she happens to return next season. She would fit in better with the RHBH.

    I liked the OC’s very first reunion – it was the best of any since then on any franchise. I liked the simple reflections of their experiences instead of being drawn and quartered for the amusement of the viewers and Mr. Cohen. Andy took an interesting premise for a show and screwed it up in every franchise that followed.

    • missusmc says:

      I actually really like Heather! And I hate when people say she’s condescending. She may look down on the other women (who wouldn’t?) but I think people are put off by her vocabulary. Only in reality TV land would a large vocabulary be a negative. In the real world, it’s a good thing.

      • Powell says:

        I don’t like how Heather speaks to people like they are children and they should listen to her cause she’s right. I don’t have a problem w/her vocabulary. I’ve learned a few words.

    • Stars99 says:

      Thanks, WindyCityWandering – Your words mean a lot to me. I agree.. I really loved OC’s very first reunion… it was so raw and authentic. My, my… how things have changed…

  21. lulu says:

    Hello everyone so its official in december we will find out if we are moving to either Arizona or Texas!!!!! Id like to thank DH’s company for narrowing that down thanks!!!! I was personally rooting for Seattle but doesn’t look like that will happen anytime soon. I’m worried about moving the governor again this will be his third time in less than two years. I hope he is too young to remember. I hope we will stay in the next spot for 5 years.

    Starsy I can hear that champs bottle popping!!! ;). What happened to our Brianna!?!?!? Was she always like this but better at hiding it????? If she looks at her mother I hope she realizes that is what she will become unless she changes. Btw love your snarkiness!

    • Stars99 says:

      Lulu… I dunno… It may just be this subject that has our lil Briana all wonky… It’s hard to tell. I do think her heart is probably in the right place… she’s fighting for her Mom’s happiness… but her snottiness and her smugness throughout the show was just too much for me to take… and don’t get me started on her blatant disrespectfulness…

    • Powell says:

      Lulu its good you now know its one if two places. The Governor will be alright. He’s really still a baby.

  22. shamrockblonde says:

    Hi lizzle – I can’t say I blame you for being ticked off – I think maybe the best way to look at it right now is how your reaction to it all will affect your parents – if you go to them and say something – even with grace and of generous nature – will it make them feel badly about not discussing it with you? will it hurt them that you are upset? because if it does, then maybe that’s not the best option – I would – after several deep breaths, have a chat with your brother, to remind him that the bedroom set is a big part of your memories, a part of your childhood as well – perhaps there is a solution that the two of you can come to – I think too, knowing that you will be responsible for your parents, is weighing on you greatly, and I can understand that as well – it must be hard to see yourself as the main caregiver, while your brother gets the one thing that truly meant so much to you – those memories that the bedroom set remind you of will always be in your heart, with or without the bedroom set – and as your brother seems to be a bit of a free spirit, it is entirely possible that within a relatively short period of time, he may no longer see the need to keep that bedroom set – it is very difficult to think of our parents as frail, or of a time when they are no longer with us – like you I have given zero thought to my Mom’s possessions – they are hers and I suspect she will decide what she wants to do with them – I will tell you though, that I would give up the one thing of my Dad’s that I have in a heartbeat, just to hear his voice again – ask yourself what truly matters the most – the very most – to you and act with that in mind – you have a strong heart, and your love for your parents is very evident – I think the reason you are the presumed caregiver is because that no matter who gets what, everyone knows you are the strongest one, the one to whom the care of those two beautiful souls will be best entrusted with – and that speaks volumes about you – I wish you luck with your brother – *hugs lizzle really hard*

  23. AZGirl says:

    Good afternoon everyone! Thank you Starzy for the recap. I am sure it took everything you had to get through writing it. So much disfunction. What the hell happened to Brianna? She used to be the voice of reason and now she is just bitter.
    Lizzle: I would let the bedroom set go. It not worth fighting over. Trust me. I lost both parents within 3 weeks of each other and one of my brother and my sister had their lists ready. My parents passed in Illinois and I live in AZ. I just let them take everything except a pair of glass love birds my mom was given by a good friend. They sit on my living room table and it is all I need to remember her by.

    The founder of Rosarita Mexican Food chain is from Mesa, AZ. She passed away a few years ago. She used to speak with teenagers at our church in the Teen Life Program. One night a teenager asked why she still lived in her modest home and not a huge mansion. Her response was “Have you ever been to a funeral where a U-Haul was attached to the casket”?

    MDLLA tonight! Can’t wait. Looks like Josh A gets in a fight with his brother. Nice.

    • lizzle says:

      Your right… I am actually a minimalist. It is stupid to think that I could take the furniture. And as the NY times article that Mene Seela pointed out says… these huge heirlooms can actually become a burden. It is so amazing how much more clearly I see things now… after hearing from all you guys. Thank you so much!

      • Shiny says:

        It’s part of why I love this community of people – that and the wonderful snarks and laughter!

      • LavaLady says:

        I see you got a lot of replies, Lizzle. I just wanted to add that I am somewhat a minimalist too, but I love jewelry. I have some lovely pieces from my mom, and even had a ring of my dad’s changed into something suitable for a lady. Anyway, good luck. Maybe just look for some small items you could display or wear. It’s nice to have possession of theirs, no matter how small.

    • Stars99 says:

      It was hard to get through it, wasn’t it, AZGirl? But we did it… and we survived! Yay for us! Woo hoooOOOoooOOOoo!

  24. plainviewsue says:

    I tried to cut and paste a clip of Melissa Gorga on a radio station singing her latest song LIVE. Yes, live. No auto tune. During the interview she said Everyone deals with a monster in law. Yeah, she & Tre are all good.

    Anyway, I couldn’t do it. If anyone is on twitter, Stoopid Housewives has the link. Her “singing” is nine minutes in.

    She is so bad; there are no words. She looks surprised that she had to sing live. With that voice, I cannot blame her. She was so off key. She made Lulu and Gretchen sound good.

    I hope someone can figure out how to do it!

  25. plainviewsue says:

    Sorry guys. It seems someone took it down. I wonder who??????????????????????

    Truthfully, it was so bad. Maybe her producer. Who knows??

    • Stars, let me shake your hand!!! Job Well Done!!! You really took one for the team on this one! I sat here reading with my coffee and brioche, who am I kidding, it was coffee cake, lol! The thing that I can’t get over was the gleam in Bri’s eyes and smugness on her face….it was sad, IPPHO.
      As far as Alexisisisisi “faux” scenes, WELL HELLO YOU B*TCHES, none of YOU would film WITH HER????? DUH??? So of course they were set up, turds!!!

      Lizzle, I just had to let it all go…I have a bro who is a control freak, who wormed his way into being the executor (It was my oldest brother but no longer) and once that happened I knew that I needed to let it all go, and be thankful that I am not going to be the one who has to do all the work when my Mom passes. He convinced her to move up with him to Idaho so he could take care of her…. If I get anything great, but I didn’t get anything when my Dad passed, oh wait, I got a hat, lol! But he was married to his wife for almost 20 years and it wasn’t mine to begin with….. Which makes me ask the question of you all….in regards to Brandi/Eddie/Leanne…..when is their marriage valid in your eyes. My Dad cheated on my Mom and left my Mom for his wife, my parents were married 28 years. My Dad and his wife almost 20…is she still the home wrecker?? My Mom tells people her husband died, which cracks me up but at 86 she can tell people whatever she wants to……

      • Powell says:

        Brioche, coffee cake they both sound good. 🙂

        Hey I’m w/your mom. HER husband did die. The nan she married ceased to exist when he started having an affair. As far as when your dad & his wife are married for 20yrs & she is a homewrecker.

      • Powell says:

        I forgot to ask how your little Prince & Princess are doing?

        • Thanks for asking, Prince is doing great, I kept telling him college would be where he shined and I was right, he loves it! Princess is doing just okay but that is better than bad, she is taking her classes online to insure she finishes them. I think she made a wise choice.

  26. Nancy says:

    Melissa’s blog is up. They gave her Morphine in the ER for a sore throat? I don’t think so.

    • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

      That seemed a bit extreme to me but I’m not in the medical field…morphine seems like over kill no????

      • Nancy says:

        I’ve never given someone Morphine for a sore throat but I guess it could have happened.

        • Jill...no not THAT Jill says:

          Sounds fishy!!!

          • Nancy says:

            Plus you don’t give antibiotics for a virus.

            • chismosa says:

              Nancy don’t even.get.me.started on antibiotics

              Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh

              But maybe being away they just wanted to clear something up as fast as possible??
              I don’t agree with it but they were filming …. It didnt seem like a long trip …. So whatever hospital/ medic whatever she went to ….
              ?

              Don’t these people know that days before you get on a plane you should up some vitamin C and I think B too. Just to be safe

  27. ladebra says:

    I’m going to hell 😀

    • ladebra says:

      *giggles*

    • VV says:

      If true, not surprised.

    • Powell says:

      No Ladebra. You’re alright. 🙂 I knew her show would be cancelled. I like Kris but knew this wasn’t a good fit for her. She’s got nothing to talk about for an hr or 1/2 hr, whatever her show was. And also she’s got to much going on. She manages the whole family. They have the show, clothing stores clothing lines, makeup, so much. She’s had the experience so now she can check that off her list of things she’d like to do.

      • chismosa says:

        Powell the seed was planted when they wouldn’t allow the woman to be ALONE on her own TALK show!!

        She was forced to have co-hosts every day. From day 1

        Tells you all

        Too bad The Soup already filmed this week’s episode
        Maybe fashion police will have something this week on it

        • Powell says:

          Well I think they saw the writing on the wall an
          saw the “Kardashian” name as cache to pull the viewer
          numbers but it didn’t work. So many think they can be Oprah or Ellen. They may be nice people and good at what they currently do but its hard to carry a talk show on your own.

    • Powell says:

      I think Joel will have fun with this.

      • ladebra says:

        Joel is fearless, lol. Funny most of the time, but he’s not afraid to step over the line lol. I don’t like or dislike Kris, but I’m way past Kardashians saturated.

    • chismosa says:

      THANK you so much for this !

      This face —- THIS is the face of a) having an ‘ugly cry’ face that some people naturally do – like say, Claire Danes on Homeland ++++++ b) too many fillers and plastic surgery on the face

      Hahahahaaaa!!!

      Thanks SO much Deb. I needed a laugh

    • MelTheHound says:

      Already? What network? I’m surprised the execs actually thought people gave a shit about these people.

    • I think I just peed my pants!

  28. Amalfi says:

    Starzy: “Heather is providing him with a very fabulous life, too, dagnabit! Lolol…”

    I am lolol’ing too 🙂 But I actually believe this in some way. I am pretty sure Terry alone would be a pile of money, video games, toys and onion rings.

    Heather has value as the mother in their home and even though she annoys me, her kids probably like the stability she gives their home.

    • Powell says:

      I agreed w/Heather when she said it. His life wouldn’t run smoothly w/o her. That goes for all of you wives and mothers.

      • LavaLady says:

        I used to tell my husband that all the time, because I was a SAHM for 18 years, he had a very nice life, dinner always made, house cleaned, errands completed, laundry always folded, dishwasher always emptied.

        When I went back to work he said we would split the house cleaning. That lasted about 2 weeks, now I have a wonderful cleaning service every other week. I had my hours cut to 25 per week, so I take care of all the rest, but I do appreciate the cleaning service.

  29. VV says:

    Joey Marco doing what he loves best. Posting pictures of himself.

    Joe Gorga (@joegorga) tweeted at 7:47pm – 25 Aug 13:

    Looking F%c#ing good pic.twitter.com/ORSMn8OAUw (https://twitter.com/joegorga/status/371796066800136192)

  30. chismosa says:

    Valerie Harper may do Dancing With the Stars.
    Wow

    Love her

    • TexasTart says:

      What?! I thought she was terminally ill? One of us is wrong….and I’m not in a position to google. Gotta make dinner, BBL.

        • TexasTart says:

          Thank you. I saw her on the Jeff Probst show right before he was cancelled. Very frank and forward interview. I am shocked she was chosen, but not as shocked she accepted.

          • MelTheHound says:

            Well, from my mother, when you’re handed news like that, you can try to fight it and it may extend things but… There isn’t much you can do but accept that you have less time than you thought you had the previous day. I admire Valerie Harper because like my mother, she told all of them who told her to go home and die to go screw themselves and she continued living her life until she couldn’t 😉 If being on a game show is part of that, God Bless. The only real concern I would have for her is the physical demand.

            • TexasTart says:

              Good that your Mother had a similar spirit. That’s the thing about DWTS is it’s very physically demanding.

    • Powell says:

      Good for her if she’s up to it. I love Rhoda. 🙂

  31. cusi77 says:

    Fifty Years ago, August 28, 1963…

    I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed. “We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.”
    ~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    • Nancy says:

      Unfortunately we still have a long way to go Cusi.

    • Powell says:

      Mmmm hmmm. 🙂 I wish MLK was alive today.

      • MelTheHound says:

        What do you think he would be if he was other than an 84 year old man?

        • Nancy says:

          Mel what is going on in your state with the homeless starving dogs?
          It’s heartbreaking to see.

          • MelTheHound says:

            That can all be traced back to irresponsible people. All kinds of things happen. Including but not limited to, people moving out of their (rental) homes and leaving their pets behind. Either turn them loose or lock them up until someone finds them. IF someone finds them. People who probably due to circumstance, never should have had pets to begin with.

            • Nancy says:

              I so wished I didn’t see that segment on the news. Those images are going to stay with me for a very long time. One thing I will say is that this country has come a long way
              in how we treat our animals now. Obviously your town is not the norm right now.

              • MelTheHound says:

                I don’t know what it is you saw, Nancy but one thing I can tell you is there is not a stray starving dog on every corner around here. Not saying a problem doesn’t exist but it’s the same problem, regardless of city..

                • Nancy says:

                  It’s in the area where the people had to leave their homes when the City went belly-up.
                  CNN did a segment on it with Animal Control.

                • windycitywondering2 says:

                  There was an article in Rolling Stone awhile back about a group that was going in and pulling packs of wild (abandoned pets) out of abandoned homes and that Animal Control was pissed about it!

        • Powell says:

          I’d like to think that race relations & equality would be farther along today. I wonder if we would have had a minority man or woman President long before President Obama.

          • MelTheHound says:

            Not to talk political but I always thought we would see a woman president long before a black one. Still hope to see that but I want an independent thinker rather than a puppet from one of the two parties.

            • Nancy says:

              MEL…what do you think we should do about Syria right now? I’m on the fence.

              • MelTheHound says:

                I don’t really know.. Our more recent desert excursions have worked out so well. The asshole in me says nuke the entire region and be done with it but I know that would only be a temporary fix. What I am VERY tired of is our military and other resources being used to police the rest of the world, at our expense. Have been for a very long time now.

              • AZGirl says:

                Mr.AZGirl and First Born were just talking about Syria. I personally don’t want us to get involved due to the Russian impact. Valdimir Putin is an asshole. He makes Stalin look like Bambi. I would love to arm the rebels but keep our troops out. Why can’t a mercenary just shoot Assad? I know I sound angry but Assad is crazy and like Hussain he kills innocent people.

                • Nancy says:

                  I lost all respect for Putin when he refused any help with the Kursk. Those poor men
                  in that dark, cold submarine. At first I liked him so I don’t get it.

            • kit9 says:

              It’s mind boggling when you think about it that we haven’t had a female president. I remember in 08 and all the comments about how great it was we had a black president, change, etc. All I could think was…we still have a pair of balls in the White House. I don’t care they’re a different color, they are still balls. Meanwhile, half the country has yet to see their gender in the WH…200+ years and counting.

              • Nancy says:

                Hilary may get in soon.

              • MelTheHound says:

                I don’t think I could support another Clinton but I could support a woman in the white house. IMO, she damn sure couldn’t be any worse than the current occupant (but that’s getting too political). Food for thought if you will… There are more women in this country than men last I heard. They’ve had the right to vote for quite some time now and I’ve never seen anything about Gender in the constitution when it comes to the white house occupant. There’s an age requirement, natural born citizen requirement, and a couple other things. So why hasn’t a woman been elected for president yet?

                • Catseye says:

                  I personally think it’s because women are such back-stabbers to each other and SOOOOO very jealous!! The Housewives shows are evidence.

          • windycitywondering2 says:

            I wish that it was farther along too. I’d like to think that each generation we do get closer.

  32. TexasTart says:

    Where’s she going? These RHONY are trying to hard to confuse us.

  33. djprincessc says:

    Bottom line is that this really is all Vicki’s fault, I like Vicki, but its true. Her kids are the way they are bc of her. Vicki has been a work-a-holic her entire life and put not only her career, but men before her kids. They grew up around Vicki and Donn’s dysfunctional relationship and Vicki being super controlling. If she would have put Brianna and Michael first I’m sure Michael wouldn’t run for the hills away from his mom, and Brianna wouldn’t have gotten married just to spite Vicki. Brianna has become Vicki junior and Vicki is going to end up alone if she keeps choosing men out of desperation.

    • Nancy says:

      Hi dj…This is what I find weird. Nurses are big control freaks so for one to marry another
      control freak seems odd to me. The one that I feel very sorry for is Brianna’s son.

      • djprincessc says:

        Idk what is going on with Brianna but I doubt her marriage with Ryan will last. Then she’s in for a huge reality check on who he really is. :/

    • Noelle says:

      I there dj!!
      Always a pleasure to *see* you!!
      xoxo

      • djprincessc says:

        Hiiiiiii Noelle!!! Thank you!!! You too!! Hope everything is going well 🙂

        xoxo!!

        • Noelle says:

          That was *HI*!!!

          Hope Everything is going well for you too!!
          We seem to always miss one another. 😦
          xo ❤
          See u soon! 😀

  34. chismosa says:

    Now I’m DEFINITELY going, checkbook ready. I want to help as much as I can. Especially for more Hot Buns for court appearances.

    http://m.intouchweekly.com/?redirurl=/stars/news/bar-to-host-teresa-giudice-legal-fundraiser

    • cusi77 says:

      I am truly will send her a Check. Thanks for posting ,Chismosa!

      • chismosa says:

        Good for you Cusi, send your hard-earned money to help with her legal woes ! totally up to her fans to help her because it’s preposterous the 39 counts! WE should help her.

        💩💩💩💩

        • Nancy says:

          Come on chismosa..haven’t you ever screwed up in life?

          • chismosa says:

            Absolutely Nancy, for something I can’t even mention really here — and I would NEVER. E—–verrrrrr expect others to pay for what I or my husband did. Never.

            The cookbooks and hair products and arrabiata sauces and tchotchkies all are helping her lawyers’ fees anyway. So you help

            And I help by watching the show, IF I was a Nielsen house.

            Never would I expect that nor be so crass. That is pure class there this one. Emily Post 101

        • MelTheHound says:

          Well, hell has frozen over yet again and I think I see some penguins on ice skates. Do they take Paypal?

      • Nancy says:

        That a girl Cusi!! I’m going to send her a check as well. 🙂

    • TexasTart says:

      Hahaha.
      This is the same event she tweeted about (and I posted here this morning) … it’s a fundraiser for her legal fees?! Whaaaat? That was not mentioned in what I saw. Oh, I am not disputing the article. This fundraiser rubs me the wrong way.

      • chismosa says:

        Yes Tarts and I just saw it’s for THIS heart-warming heartrending cause.
        Sorry I should have mentioned it was the one you posted.

        Thanks for always keeping us up to speed

        • TexasTart says:

          Thanks for uncovering what they’re really up to. It’s not just a meet and greet. She should focus on selling her wares and not sympathy dollars. I tell you, if it was post trial and they were vindicated, it would be more appropriate to hold fundraisers.

          • ItWasTorture! says:

            I will be sending Teresa a check! Her daughters need her and she is about to built an empire with her Made in Italy Pasta and Ragu! I want her having enough money to defend herself and being able to raise those 4 beautiful girls!

        • ItWasTorture! says:

          Good for her! I was expecting for something like this to happen! I will help her! GO Teresa! Go! Build your empire, Pay your debts, you deserve another opportunity because you work hard! In spite of her disabilities, she is a hard worker!

    • Orson says:

      I bet she has no clue that any contributions she gets she has to declare as income to the IRS. 🙂

      • Nancy says:

        Now Orson what makes you say that? LOL

      • T-Rex says:

        Oh, and let’s be real here, folks can throw money at her, but she probably won’t pay her bills, she will probably turn around and re-file her bankruptcy, this time not only including the people they aren’t paying now, but also her attorneys’ fees. They aren’t paying anyone they owed money to listed in their last bankruptcy attempt, why would they bother to pay these bills either.

  35. Nancy says:

    Maya Angelou agrees with me…”We haven’t gone far enough.”

    • chismosa says:

      Nancy I just had a case of the spins where I stood up and literally had to fall back to where I was sitting. I got up again, slowly and it happened again.
      The world never spun so much for me —

      I went to the dentist today and he drilled down/ shaved down some of my teeth / my bite has gotten bad and is contributing to jaw pain. But I’ve been fine ? I ate, all is fine. No tooth pain or anything.
      I don’t know where this came from!? I feel like a loon!

      Maybe Teresa has a voodoo doll of me or something

      • Nancy says:

        See below.

      • LaineyLainey says:

        Sorry to hear about your vertigo. One of my coworkers gets that occasionally, she takes over the counter decongestants and that helps her. It’s horrible when it hits, you can’t walk, can’t drive, etc….the room is spinning. I hope you don’t get another spell.

    • Noelle says:

      I love “Quotes.”

      “Ignorance gives one a large range of probabilities.”
      ~ George Eliot

  36. Nancy says:

    Chismosa

    You might have had labyrinthitis, a viral infection of the middle ear. Or sometimes we don’t know what causes it, it just happens. It’s called benign positional labyrinthitis. You shouldn’t worry unless it persists or you get other symptoms like vomiting. Also, if it doesn’t get better when you remain motionless, it might be more serious.
    ****************************************************************************************************************
    That’s from George. I hope you feel better. xo

    • TexasTart says:

      There’s the V word….well, I would not wish that on you Chismosa, but you gotta admit the irony to see this as a symptom….seriously though, hope your head stops spinning!

    • chismosa says:

      Nancy, thank George for this

      I had a brain MRI (non contrast) for the 1st time ever in my life yesterday (scary!)- so it’s odd I had this tonight out of nowhere

      I was wondering if it had to do with my visit to the dentist – I’ll mention it to the neurologist and my dentist when I see him again
      (Long story …..)

      Thank you!

      I also have a terrible dog who likes to go lick my ears and I have to push him away ! Gross, I know

      Remember I also had that ear infection for the 1st time in my life a few weeks ago and from what I just read it says a recent ear infection may cause labyrinthitis- so who knows

      Thank you!!!

  37. ItWasTorture! says:

    .

  38. VV says:

    All of you Melissa fans (chismo 😉) head over to SH she has a couple of videos of the Melissa performance that Sue was talking about. The second clip is the shorter. I was laughing so hard….

  39. Nancy says:

    America’s Got Talent from last night. The one in the middle is amazing.

  40. TexasTart says:

    She’s talkimg about Ken. It’s their anniversary…

    • Noelle says:

      IMO,
      Looks like a funeral home, along with the stuffed pups!!
      Enough LV!

    • Powell says:

      Lisa loves flowers. Ken loves to give her what she loves. The pups look cute. The room looks more real than on tv.

      • TexasTart says:

        These vases hold gallons of water! Check out the one on the left walkway, looks to be about 3 feet tall and 8″ diameter. Nice to look at, but you would have to pump the water out of that thing when you’re done with it. Well, I’m sure they don’t do it themselves, but all the same.

      • Catseye says:

        I think it’s beautiful, but it would be AMAZING if MY pets were in the pic instead!

  41. TexasTart says:

  42. djprincessc says:

    For some reason I feel like Madison takes anti depressants or some type of medication bc his eyes always look so sad and glossy.

    p.s. Heather is a bitch and I think from her and Josh he’s the nice one. lol.

    • chismosa says:

      DJ I didn’t watch last night yet but I agree with you that Mad looks glassy a lot and also quite thin

  43. California35 says:

    Hi –
    Cool! Some NY stuff …

    I agree with you all, they are trying hard to “confuse” us. Some theories? Or wishes? Mine is to have them all travel to difrent places S E P A R A T E L Y 😛

  44. MelTheHound says:

    Happy Birthday, Jill no not that Jill 😀

  45. Powell says:

    Good morning everyone. Happy Friday eve. Did anyone else get torrential down pours and a thunderstorm like we did in MD last night? We are expecting more. Have a great day.

  46. Powell says:

    Chismosa I hope you’re feeling better today.

    • chismosa says:

      Powell thanks — you really are one of the most thoughtful on here. You remember everyone’s issues.
      Thanks !

      I’m not spinning anymore. Wooooooooooooooooooo
      🙄

  47. chismosa says:

    It’s my BFF Ashy’s Birthday today!?!?!

    Happy Birthday Beeeyotch!!!
    🍹🍹🍹🍸🍸🍸🍻🍻🍻🍼🍼🍼🍼🎂🎂🎂
    🎁🎉🎊🎁🎉🎊🎁🎉🎊🎁🎉🎊🎁🎉💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝

    You’re a Virgo- right on xxoo

  48. TexasTart says:

    Here’s a brief interview with Adriana de Moura of RHOM that might be of interest to some. It primarily addresses why she did the PETA campaign for the Orca whale.
    http://thebravomistress.weebly.com/1/post/2013/08/rhom-adrianathereal-what-does-she-stand-for-in-life.html

  49. Cusi77 says:

    Happy Birthday Jill..No, No That Jill!!!!!!!! Have a wonderful day, sweetie!

  50. chismosa says:

    I just called the bar that Tre is going to tonight since I was starting to do my hair and makeup and the guy on the phone said it’s NOT a fundraiser. But he hesitated when I asked. Lol

    Weather’s not fab here so I wonder how it will be tonight for her. If she’s only slated for 1 hour I’m sure she’ll stay 45 minutes. Why just 1 hour when you’re driving hours from jersey!?? In Labor Day traffic ?
    Hmmmmmmm……..

  51. lizzle says:

    Hi everyone! I just want to say thank you for all your help yesterday. I haven’t responded to everyone yet, but I will because I have thought about everything said with care. If I didn’t have all you guys… I probably wouldn’t have parents or a brother anymore. I literally was fuming and had no where to turn for advice in the heat of the moment. I couldn’t call anyone because I was so upset and would have probably just broken down on the phone. Anyways… you guys put things into perspective so I am going to think long and hard about how to approach my parents about what happens when they age and what are their wishes. When many of you talk about caring for your aging parents and other relatives… and it always hits home to me, because although my parents are young… it is time to start planning. Honestly, I wish they would sell everything including the house (they outright own) and use all their money before they die. They worked hard for what they have and should be able to enjoy it all! I really do not feel that my parents owe me anything (I don’t feel like they owe my brother anything either) so if we both were left with nothing… it wouldn’t upset me.

    Anyways… THANK YOU ALL! You guys have really helped me in my real life. And that is why I love this place. It is more real here than reality tv.

    Much love
    liz

    • chismosa says:

      Lizzle I hope everyone saw your lovely note. Because the new blog started right at this time …… Maybe re-post???

  52. TexasTart says:

  53. Cusi77 says:

    Where in world are the housewives of NY? My guess is a place with Horses (No Camels? Ohhh!)… The way LoosieLooseAnn is dressed and Carole is very Western kind of a place.

  54. Orson says:

    Just realized today is Thursday. Chat tonight!

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